Thursday Rockpile: Redding redux; Snakes speaking with a forked tongue
In the winter of 2009, after he was non-tendered by the Washington Nationals, the Rockies were one of Tim Redding's more dogged pursuers before the right hander eventually decided to sign with the Mets. He would go on to start 17 times for them and appear in 30 games in total, posting a 3-6 record with a 5.10 ERA. Spurned by Redding, the Rockies pursuit of another MLB established, but reasonably priced starter for added depth continued into the start of the season when they were finally able to acquire Jason Hammel via trade with the Rays. Hammel would start 30 times for the Rockies, going 10-8 and posting a 4.33 ERA.
In a parallel universe where the French won Waterloo and eventually the world but mysteriously allowed the development of professional baseball in the very large American colony of Louisiana, the Colorado Les Roches probably did sign Redding and the Rockies finished behind the Gyants in the 2009 sauvage card race. Hmm... I really need lay off putting so many mushrooms in my breakfast omelet.
So now that the Rockies are again pursuing (okay, maybe too strong a word, let's just say "looking at" for now) Redding according to Thomas Harding, I have to say I'm curious how this would work out. I'm going to guess that the team is looking to sign Redding or a similar pitcher to a minor league contract NRI with a player opt out if they aren't on the 25 man roster by the start of the season, similar to the deal the team signed Brian Lawrence to before the start of the 2007 season.
A couple of quick NL West links:
The Diamondbacks are still waiting on Kelly Johnson, but the second baseman apparently has better offers available. There is some interesting phrasing in the Nick Piecoro post, namely the "if all things were equal he'd rather play for them" part, because the "better offers available" part pretty explicitly states that things as they stand are not equal.
The D-backs are also interested in Randy Winn, who "likely would get a fair amount of at bats" but isn't going to be starting over Justin Upton, Chris Young or whoever winds up starting in left for the team between Conor Jackson (if Brandon Allen is ready to play first), Gerardo Parra or Eric Byrnes.... which come to think of it, doesn't indicate a "a fair amount of at bats" to be available, either.
Byrnes, as the team's fourth outfielder in 2009 had only 245 AB's, Alex Romero as D-backs OF option #5 had 100 at bats less than that. So it seems Piecoro's being a good company soldier for the Snakes in that post in selling Winn on some phantom available AB's that would supposedly make it almost like starting for him. There is an interesting implication in the post, however, that if the Snakes do sign Winn, it would either make Byrnes the most expensive fifth outfielder in the majors or, and this is my guess, cheaply available to all 29 other MLB teams as the Snakes pay him $11 million to play somewhere else.
According to Ken Gurnick, the Dodgers were Toronto's preferred trading partner for Roy Halladay, but the right hander wouldn't okay a move to Los Angeles. Using the haul the Blue Jays got from Philadelphia and Seattle as a measuring stick, and given that Ned Colletti seemed pretty adamant about not dealing Clayton Kershaw or Chad Billingsley, I'm speculating that a Dodger deal that would have worked for both teams would probably have centered around LA's top prospect Chris Withrow as a starting point, and likely also would have included Russell Martin. At any rate, the good news about this is that Halladay to LA didn't happen and the Dodgers are still seen by other GM's as easy partners when it comes to acquiring prospects.
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I call ASB.
Baseball gets butterflied away in a French Victorious! timeline.
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And in a Franc-American basesball world
Les Expos would have won 27 Series du Monde and Les Yanquis would have relocated to Port au Prince.
I like this
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 25, 2009 2:32 AM MST up reply actions
Matt Capps
has officially quaffed the same Kool-Aid Jason Marquis has: Capps signs deal with Natinals.
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Nationals?
The Nats need pitching…any pitching…but I’m not sure what they are trying to do, while they should improve over last year, that’s not saying much.
And Ivan Rodriquez as a National bothers me, as he was suppose to retire a Ranger after going back to Texas last season.
That's interesting
they must be trying to put together a winning team this year. Look out wild card :P
JFK
bold prediction...Nats win 80 games and finish ahead of the Mets :)
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
I wonder what Vegas will have them at when they release their over/under 2010 win totals
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 25, 2009 2:17 AM MST up reply actions
They had them at 71 last year
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 25, 2009 11:50 PM MST up reply actions
I never understood the fuss over Matt Capps
Didn’t we light him up bigtime a couple times this season?
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
Everybody did, but it was his first career bad year, and at 26 with upside, there's more than enough room to rebound.
by Greg Stanwood on Dec 24, 2009 10:40 AM MST up reply actions
Nationals are going to be better
Obviously neither Capps nor Marquis is a top of the line impact pitcher, but both are solid pitchers that help round out a staff. Washington certainly isn’t going to turn in to a 95 win team next year, but it’s nice to see them progressivly taking steps to be a better team year by year. After all their offense wasn’t really that bad last year and zimmerman/dunn 3-4 in almost lineup is pretty dangerous. Hopefully all these moves pay off next year and the Nats get closer to being a contender, but most importantly, hopefully they own the Phuckin Fillies next year.
I think it's sad when a team is so bad that we're lauding them for signing Jason Marquis.
This offseason is completely boring.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 24, 2009 11:22 AM MST up reply actions
Vizcaino was just that bad though - he was the relief pitcher embodiment of the Nationals
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
trade is not sign
This offseason is completely boring.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 24, 2009 12:02 PM MST up reply actions
also we were kind of "eh, he'll eat innings"
This offseason is completely boring.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 24, 2009 12:02 PM MST up reply actions
Marquis was a gem for us....
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
that's fantastic
he’s a mediocre pitcher who had a good season
This offseason is completely boring.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 24, 2009 9:04 PM MST up reply actions
whether he was mediocre or not
he kept us in the running and was our stopper in the first half, even more than Cookie. He turned out to be a gem in my book….
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
yes, for one season, he was good.
he IS a mediocre pitcher who had a good season.
This offseason is completely boring.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 24, 2009 9:43 PM MST up reply actions
Kind of like how Vazquez IS an above average pitcher
who had an awesome season. :-)
/hides
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 25, 2009 2:22 AM MST up reply actions
Actually - check out
his WAR total for the past 3 years combined – aside from his big game experience/record, he has been a legit ACE, not merely above average. Although the same could have been said about ARod (great player, not ACE) and his lack of clutch performances and he came through this postseason. Seriously though. #3 in K’s, fewer walks than Timmah, fewer HR allowed than CC, 7th in WAR – ahead of Verlander/Felix/Lee/Lackey/Hamels/Peavy/Wainwright etc.
The Yanks got an Ace who was signed for well below market value on a one year deal, and gave up a 4th OF who is arb eligible and a 19yr old pitching prospect who hasn’t done anything above A ball. Atlanta got hosed big time. With Vazquez their SP was unreal, now it’s simply just very good. (I know you didn’t bring all this up but i’m still fired up over this, Yanks stole him)
Oh I agree the Yankees got
a steal in this deal because they gave up almost nothing to get Vazquez; I just dont think he’s as good as most people do for resasons outlined in the previous thread.
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 25, 2009 11:58 PM MST up reply actions
I can concede to that
I think he’s better than above average, but I’ll concur he’s not as great as his season.
This offseason is completely boring.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 25, 2009 11:45 AM MST up reply actions
Were not too far apart on this actually
He was a little better than I thought he was when I looked at his numbers.
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 26, 2009 12:00 AM MST up reply actions
On Christmas Eve
I’m really missing Baseball. The FSN “Top of the Rockies” last night didn’t help. (for those that didn’t see it it was sort of a best of Rockies Weekly, lots of Rockies highlights, with new stuff and interviews thrown in)
Also hoping the Rockies will add a few pieces for 2010, and hoping they are just sitting on the side-lines waiting for prices to fall. After 07 The Rockies did nothing, and 08 was a stinker. I’m thinking: Jason Giambi (love the swagger, not sure he fits, but I don’t care), Felipe Lopez (or Orlando Hudson), Miguel Olivo, Joe Biemel (and the coolest bathrobe EVER), and a respectable NRI starting-pitcher or two that Appodaca can fix and everyone will be shocked at the rebound of said pitcher.
That’s right, I want a slightly used veteran baseball under O’Dud’s tree Santa!
A couple of days ago
I noticed I still have several Ubaldo starts saved on my computer. I almost watched one of them.
ROCKEFELLER!!!
Duchscherer signed with the A's
Probably why we’re interested in Redding now…..well, besides O’Dowd’s infatuation with him.
Impossible not to have positive thoughts.
I want Sam Deduno to pitch already.
We had Jason Hirsh & let him go
Why do we need Redding?
Hirsh is Redding II — can’t miss No. 1 prospects for the pitching-hungry Astros, both tore through the minors with amazing stats … and both have been consistently mediocre at best in the bigs. I’d take another chance on Hirsh before giving Redding another sticker for his suitcase.
There’s also that chemistry thing that the Rockies value. When Redding got to the Astros as their next big thing, the veterans (Bagwell, Biggio & Berkman) thought he was an insufferable, self-centered jerk & were glad to see him gone when he left. The Rockies don’t need him.
New decade, new result: time for a Rockies' division championship.
It was supposed to be...
… but we never received one. They either haven’t picked one yet, or more likely, agreed later to just accept cash from the Yankees.
by Greg Stanwood on Dec 24, 2009 2:41 PM MST up reply actions
well, at least we know they can pay
This offseason is completely boring.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 24, 2009 9:44 PM MST up reply actions
there will be a small, stupid christmas present for RowBots tomorrow.
This offseason is completely boring.
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from me
and it’s stupid
This offseason is completely boring.
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Dec 25, 2009 12:14 AM MST up reply actions
Tell me more about this parallel universe
How do the French regain control of Louisiana after selling it in 1803 and then winning the Battle of Waterloo in 1815? Do they take advantage of America’s lack of a navy at that time?
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 25, 2009 2:33 AM MST reply actions
Oh as if the French Navy has recovered from Tafalgar.
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