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Thursday Rockpile: Greg Zaun now reportedly on the radar for Rockies

While not the Rays catcher I was talking about yesterday, Jon Paul Morosi and Ken Rosenthal note that the Rockies are interested in Greg Zaun, who actually is available should he decline Tampa Bay's arbitration offer. Besides the Rays desire to re-sign him and the Rockies interest, the post also notes that the Brewers have interest. MLBTradeRumors has been following Zaun and other FA's and notes that the catcher earlier expressed that he planned to make his decision by the end of this week.

Thus far we've seen the Rockies attached to rumors with Yorvit Torrealba, Brian Schneider and now Zaun for a 2010 contract, all three of which are a higher grade than what one would typically associate with a back-up for Chris Iannetta. As a fan of the team, I definitely applaud this direction, I want the highest quality possible for the 25 players that break camp with the team next April, but there's certainly going to be some trick to maintaining egos. Whether it's Iannetta's with the strong backups the team is seeking or Ian Stewart's with the pursuit of a right handed bench bat that can play third, Jim Tracy's going to have to make sure everybody understands and is comfortable with their roles on the team. He did a great job of this during the regular season in 2009, I hope that continues.

Troy Renck has picked up on the Jose Contreras to Japan vibes that have been playing out during the off season thus far, with his son heading there with a foreign exchange program. 

Jack Etkin notes the bounty of left handed pitching prospects the Rockies are enjoying right now

Jon Heyman tweets that the reason the Rockies felt confident that Jason Marquis would decline arbitration was due to a falling out he had with the team over not getting a playoff start.

Star-divide

Los Angeles

Dodger fans at TBLA are up in arms over the team's decision not to offer arbitration to any eligible player on Tuesday, thereby forfeiting the opportunity to receive draft pick compensation in order to avoid the risk of these players accepting. Most suspect is the decision with Randy Wolf, and the apparent financial motivation behind it worries some about what other horrors might come at the non-tender deadline. I'm not getting my hopes up about these most dire predictions. I do see some clear financial constraints, but the team likely made the decision to not offer arbitration to Wolf, Orlando Hudson and others to ensure that it could offer arbitration to the younger players it wanted to keep, with James Loney and Russell Martin being the two closest to the fringe.

The real question remains what will become of the team's rotation, as if Wolf is too pricey, one wonders where their limit would be. Ned Colletti as a GM has shown a willingness to wait out the market, to bleed players and teams of every last bit of leverage before making a move, so I'm not expecting this to get answered any time soon, and could see the Dodgers trying to pull a page from the Rockies playbook by waiting until the roster crunch at the end of Spring Training to pick up their last starter(s). While financial difficulties in LA are a blessing, the bad news is that they're still a strong team in the meantime.

San Francisco

As another post in the above linked FoxSports hot stove blog reports, San Francisco is looking in a variety of directions for their offense, with Nick Johnson, Adrian Beltre and Dan Uggla all on their radar. Those three players would be mutually exclusive of each other, the Giants could only get one, but we know they're dabbling in the catching market and poking around for an outfielder as well. 

Arizona

Since their acquisition of Aaron Heilmanthere's been little news from AZ. I really haven't even seen them linked to players despite reports of having some money to spend and needs to fill. I don't know what to make of this, other than to suggest that they are living up to their team's nickname and sitting back, waiting to strike. The Diamondbacks, like the Dodgers, did not offer arbitration to any eligible players with Doug Davis being the most glaring omission given the team's need for starting pitching.

San Diego

The Padres continue to revamp an organization that once drafted Matt Bush with the first overall pick, sharking away Red Sox scouting director Jason McLeod as Jed Hoyer continues to stick it to his former employers. 

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Zaun appears to be a decent affordable backup option

At a minimum, he provides additional leverage in Torrealba discussions.

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart." - A. Bartlett Giamatti

by Rawktober on Dec 3, 2009 9:52 AM MST reply actions  

i would also have no problem with

bringing Zaun in

we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE

thanks for a great season Rockies!

LETS GO WINGS!

by TuLoRocks2008 on Dec 3, 2009 10:16 AM MST reply actions  

Lame in what way?

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Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
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Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Dec 3, 2009 12:16 PM MST up reply actions  

That such a little thing would cause a schism.

Not that I think we were planning to re-sign him anyway.

by Greg Stanwood on Dec 3, 2009 12:23 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm not so sure its such a little thing

I wonder if there was some monetary incentive for a playoff start?

Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!

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Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Dec 3, 2009 12:28 PM MST up reply actions  

I’d be pissed off if I was Marquis too, getting shelved in favor of the kid with no playoff experience even though he had plenty under his belt.

Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.

by UZ on Dec 3, 2009 12:28 PM MST up reply actions  

Performance > Experience

Anybody upset over being held back from the rotation after struggling like he did at the end of the season is just being selfish.

by Greg Stanwood on Dec 3, 2009 12:30 PM MST up reply actions  

Disagree with him being selfish

he never complained publicly about it. In fact, didn’t he say he would do whatever it took for the team to succeed? If he beefed about it after the season was over…who cares? I was okay with Hammel starting but did think that Marquis deserved a start

Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!

Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Dec 3, 2009 12:35 PM MST up reply actions  

And without the weather postponement, he may have gotten one

Yeah, nothing about his conduct (at least publicly) during the season cried out “selfish”, but if you’re a FA, and you have a) your hometown team apparently interested, and b) the one-year rental team you just left, left you out of the playoffs (again), it’s entirely reasonable for that to leave a bitter taste in the player’s mouth.

Truth is, even offering arb, DOD probably did so hoping the Marquis de Sade wouldn’t accept. Calculated gamble by the sensei for a draft pick.

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by Mondogarage on Dec 3, 2009 12:37 PM MST up reply actions  

Marquis de Sod?

Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!

Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Dec 3, 2009 12:40 PM MST up reply actions  

Sure, given his GB%

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by Mondogarage on Dec 3, 2009 12:44 PM MST up reply actions  

yes I know...i was providing the different spelling :)

Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!

Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Dec 3, 2009 12:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Marquis de Sadface :(

Winners never quit, and quitters never win. But if you never quit *and* never win, you are an idiot

by squalene203 on Dec 3, 2009 2:06 PM MST up reply actions  

haha...nicely done!

Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!

Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Dec 3, 2009 2:33 PM MST up reply actions  

It was absolutely for that reason.

They felt there was next to no chance of Marquis returning. Seems like their “falling out” may have been part of that choice, as it seemed to surprise everyone (though I get to brag that I called it, hehe).

by Greg Stanwood on Dec 3, 2009 1:10 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm not saying Marquis doesn't have the right to react however he wants.

He does, and credit does deservedly go to keeping it between himself and the team. I still find it selfish.

by Greg Stanwood on Dec 3, 2009 1:09 PM MST up reply actions  

But why is it selfish?

Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!

Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Dec 3, 2009 1:20 PM MST up reply actions  

I think it's one thing to be disappointed

(which he would certainly understandably be), but another to ignore that his recent performance made the Rockies’ decision pretty understandable and instead want something for himself that might not have been in the team’s best interest. If he did understand that but made his feelings known to a point that it caused a rift, that’s where the selfishness comes in.

(Not speaking for WolfMarauder, just myself, here.)

by holly96 on Dec 3, 2009 1:27 PM MST up reply actions  

I dunno....I've wondered if saying anything at all

caused a rift. Heck, if that’s the case, then Seth Smith should be in the doghouse too. I heard him say, on the MLBN, that he gets upset when his name isn’t on the roster, but he tries to get over it.

I would think grown men who make gazillions playing a game,and earn gazillions for owners ought to be able to speak their minds without it causing a rift. But I guess since we don’t know what really happened or how..

Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!

Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Dec 3, 2009 1:33 PM MST up reply actions  

I want my players to be "selfish"

if that means that they want the ball and are angry when they don’t get it — because they believe they can get the job done. I have no problem with what the Rox did, but anyone who is angry at Marquis for wanting to start has it wrong, in my view. Confidence and arrogance/selfishness are not mutually exclusive at the top level of sports. Give me a cocky guy over a shrinking violet anyday. See, eg, Tulo.

Moreover, its not like Papelbon crying about not getting the ASG closer not over Mariano here. Hammel was hardly an obvious choice (though I agree with it) and Hammel’s failure to come up big in the game in question adds fuel to Marquis’ fire.

Whatever, that’s just the nature of the game. Best wishes to the guy.

by Teekalong on Dec 3, 2009 1:41 PM MST up reply actions  

There you go...

Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!

Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Dec 3, 2009 1:44 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm not angry at him.

I guess the problem is we don’t know how or when the rift came about, how loud/forceful either side was. Since we’re only hearing about it now, chances are it’s not as big of a deal as it sounds, unless both sides were miracle workers in keeping it quiet.

Of course I want players to want the ball and be confident they can do the job. But there’s also a point where you have to take a step back and not cause a ruckus that could disrupt the whole team, especially if the team probably made the right decision. This is probably more hypothetical than anything, since we really have no idea how this “rift” came about. I guess my point is just that confidence and some cockiness is great, but there’s still a point where “selfishness” is going to become a negative. This situation may or not have been that point.

by holly96 on Dec 3, 2009 1:55 PM MST up reply actions  

Fair point

and if that’s the case, I agree with you. I just haven’t heard anything to make me think “entitlement” was a problem at the time, which is the only time it matters.

by Teekalong on Dec 3, 2009 2:41 PM MST up reply actions  

He's an interesting guy

I have a friend that’s a Cards fan. When the Rox acquired Marquis, he messaged me, “Why in God’s name would the Rockies want Jason Marquis!?” Apparently, even though they gave him a nice ovation at the ASG, Cards fans had a falling out with Marquis. They see him as a selfish guy with a temper, though he doesn’t often show it publicly.

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by wtnelson on Dec 3, 2009 1:12 PM MST up reply actions  

I hope you responded to you friend

“To get rid of Luis Vizciano”

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 3, 2009 1:14 PM MST up reply actions  

I'll take 6 months of Marquis doing well

and being mad about not starting the playoffs in exchange for getting rid of Vizcaino, any day of the week :)

Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!

Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Dec 3, 2009 1:26 PM MST up reply actions  

YIKES

Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!

Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Dec 3, 2009 1:33 PM MST up reply actions  

Think of it this way

One week of the flu will do less harm than 6 months of broken hearts and high blood pressure.

by Muzia on Dec 3, 2009 1:37 PM MST up reply actions  

hee

Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!

Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Dec 3, 2009 1:44 PM MST up reply actions  

And it probably costs less than 3.5 million to treat

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 3, 2009 4:11 PM MST up reply actions  

Basically

In not so many words. I think I said, “Vizcaino’s a bum”.

"I intend to kick your ass today." - Denver Broncos legend Tom Jackson

by wtnelson on Dec 3, 2009 1:53 PM MST up reply actions  

Nice and concise

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 3, 2009 4:11 PM MST up reply actions  

I respect him, but dude's almost as old as I am

All indications are he wants “regular” playing time, but he’s 38…that’s like 452 in catcher’s years.

For that reason, I’m actually all for signing him, because it cements CDI more as a starter, but it seems to go against what Zaun would be looking for.

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by Mondogarage on Dec 3, 2009 10:20 AM MST reply actions  

Great, now you've just come up with his Rockies PA system song for 2010

Even if “I Still Haven’t Found What I’m Looking For” is really lame batter’s box walkup music…

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by Mondogarage on Dec 3, 2009 10:23 AM MST up reply actions  

Now using "Vertigo" would be badass

Maybe badass enough to make Zaun worthy of a #16 seed in the next bracket.

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by Mondogarage on Dec 3, 2009 10:34 AM MST up reply actions  

Won’t be any worse than some of the god-awful country music we get every year.

Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.

by UZ on Dec 3, 2009 12:29 PM MST up reply actions  

Speaking of god-awful country

We sent our CD off for pressing today. :-)

Actually, it’s not really “country”, but kinda, in places.

And hopefully no one thinks it’s “god-awful”.

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by Mondogarage on Dec 3, 2009 12:32 PM MST up reply actions  

Hahah...you may want to actually hear it first.

;-)

Actually, I can e-mail you an final mix, but unmastered copy of one of the tracks (I don’t have a copy of the mastered disc yet…)

Our CD release won’t be until January 21st, since we didn’t get it out the door in time for our show next weekend…we were dickering around with remixes too long…but we’ll have discs in hand by Xmas.

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by Mondogarage on Dec 3, 2009 1:40 PM MST up reply actions  

Sure, go ahead and send it to me.

I am a sucker for supporting local music. If you guys ever want one of your shows taped let me know, I will get my crew and put together a decent video for you. Different camera angles, soundboard audio, the works.

by Muzia on Dec 3, 2009 1:46 PM MST up reply actions  

You know, that's a fascinating idea, actually

We’ve had a few “fan vids” shot in the past, but nothing that worked via the soundboard.

If you’re tempted, we’re playing at Moe’s on Broadway (next door to the Gothic) next Saturday night. We have to talk cost and such, since I’m not in the position to commit to real production efforts without running it through the boys. But I’d be game, if for no other effective reason than personal vanity (kinda Marquis-ish of me?)

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by Mondogarage on Dec 3, 2009 1:55 PM MST up reply actions  

Cost? Bah.

Free man, all free. We are taping a show that Thursday, but I will mention this to the crew. We would have to talk to the venue about hooking up our solid-state recorder to the soundboard, but I will do my best.

Got the email, by the way. Checking it out right now.

by Muzia on Dec 3, 2009 2:03 PM MST up reply actions  

The sound guy at Moe's is actually pretty easy to work with

We’ve sorta gotten on an “every two months” rotation there. It doesn’t have the cachet of the hi dive or 3 Kings, but for some reason, we tend to sound better there then we do anywhere else, except for that one time we played the Bluebird. Something about that room just works for us. Maybe it’s the pre-show BBQ or something…

Anyway, yeah, if you and your crew are interested, I’d love to see it happen.

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by Mondogarage on Dec 3, 2009 2:12 PM MST up reply actions  

Field trip!

Saved by the buoyancy of citrus.

by Justus on Dec 3, 2009 4:06 PM MST up reply actions  

The best part of Moe's? BBQ and Bowling

Can totally make a Big Lebowski night out of a Moe’s show, lol

(slinking off back to corner before RMN beats him silly with a wOBA-laced hose)

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by Mondogarage on Dec 3, 2009 4:08 PM MST up reply actions  

Your band is Three miles west, yes?

Uh, I mean, VORPWARwOBAFIPGB%

Saved by the buoyancy of citrus.

by Justus on Dec 3, 2009 4:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Nope, my band is New Ben Franklins

Uh, I mean ERA+OPS+K/9BABIP

Three Miles West are definitely above replacement level, however, and Jim McTurnan and TKTKTM are near all-star, in my book.

ZOMG run support!

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by Mondogarage on Dec 3, 2009 4:27 PM MST up reply actions  

Now, now

I’m a fan of the country. Except Jason Jennings’ use of Lonestar’s “My Front Porch Looking In”. That was awful.

"I intend to kick your ass today." - Denver Broncos legend Tom Jackson

by wtnelson on Dec 3, 2009 1:13 PM MST up reply actions  

I can just picture RMN at his computer

/Logs onto Purple Row

“Oh yeah!!! 50 new comments!!!”

/Opens thread

“Damn you people, only four are about baseball!!!”

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 3, 2009 4:17 PM MST up reply actions  

We kid because we care

Oh, who am I kidding, we kid because we can!

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by Mondogarage on Dec 3, 2009 4:27 PM MST up reply actions  

great mental image!

I completely picture that

Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!

Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Dec 3, 2009 4:28 PM MST up reply actions  

The photo isn't showing up.

It says the Photobucket account has been inactive for 90 days.

by Greg Stanwood on Dec 3, 2009 10:32 AM MST up reply actions  

PEOPLE

HOST YOUR PICTURES ON IMAGESHACK OR TINYPIC

WE HAVE SAID THIS MANY TIMES, DO NOT HOTLINK DIRECTLY FROM OTHER WEBSITES.

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 3, 2009 10:33 AM MST up reply actions  

I tried!

Imageshack is crap this morning and wouldn’t upload anything!

grumblegrumble…Now the joke is ruined, as is my day.

by Muzia on Dec 3, 2009 10:36 AM MST up reply actions  

No worries, he's just a Limey

And no one shall kneel to a Limey.

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by Mondogarage on Dec 3, 2009 10:39 AM MST up reply actions  

Awesome flick

Actually, he may have should have been in the bracket…perhaps.

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by Mondogarage on Dec 3, 2009 10:45 AM MST up reply actions  

Photobucket works too

Just apparently not an inactive account.

by holly96 on Dec 3, 2009 12:13 PM MST up reply actions  

Which I couldn't tell at first

On my screen it worked, after I refreshed there was nothing there. Oh well.

by Muzia on Dec 3, 2009 1:33 PM MST up reply actions  

As for Marquis....

….as thankful as I am to him for his major contributions in getting us on the path to October, if his ego is getting away, then I have zero problem with him declining arb.

Actually, I’d prefer it anyway, because he’s likely to get somewhat of a bump in arb, and he’s no $11m pitcher, even as a innings eater with a great GB ratio.

I know he was rather unlucky in the 2nd half, but fact is, he did not pitch as well in the 2nd half, either, and he was not one of our top 3 starters heading into the playoffs.

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by Mondogarage on Dec 3, 2009 10:22 AM MST reply actions  

Fangraphs has his at over $17M in value last year

though I completely agree with your point. I wouldn’t pay him 11M either

by Muzia on Dec 3, 2009 10:32 AM MST up reply actions  

I think Fangraphs does a great service of comparing players' worth relative to one another

But is generally unrealistic with regard to actual cash value in terms of writing contracts.

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by Mondogarage on Dec 3, 2009 10:36 AM MST up reply actions  

I dunno

Marquis’ innings-eating abilities are genuinely and definable worth $$$

by biondino on Dec 3, 2009 10:41 AM MST up reply actions  

Yes, but not anywhere near $17m in actual dollars

Actually, I’m not really suggesting he’s not worth $11m either…I just think $11m on him is not the most effective use of the Rockies’ limited funds. If we could have signed him for another year or two at $9m per, I’d say sure.

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by Mondogarage on Dec 3, 2009 10:46 AM MST up reply actions  

We could have

27.3 Cargons for that money.

by Muzia on Dec 3, 2009 10:52 AM MST up reply actions  

Vogon poetry

may be an asset here if the Rockies use ear plugs.

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by Russ Oates on Dec 3, 2009 11:03 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Great line from Keith Law today re Fangraphs valuations:

“My favorite line on those came from a GM: “Their replacement level is, like, me.”"

by Teekalong on Dec 3, 2009 11:45 AM MST up reply actions  

I'm not sure his ego got in the way at all

He was awesome in the 1st half. And not horrible in the second half. I would love to know from which side of the fence this came from…Marquis’ people or the Rox. DOD said he looked to be a rental anyway.
So now is this negotiating gamesmanship? Funny how this didn’t come out at all during the playoffs.

Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!

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Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Dec 3, 2009 12:19 PM MST up reply actions  

Re: Ego for Stewart & Iannetta
I want the highest quality possible for the 25 players that break camp with the team next April, but there’s certainly going to be some trick to maintaining egos.

Although I think they both need to be the future starters, I’m actually happy the Rockies are targeting decent backups. Obviously for insurance but I think more importantly to provide some level of competition to push them. Neither have demonstrated they deserve a lock on the job and I don’t think any prospects are ready to really compete yet (McKenry as a long shot this year maybe).

Anyway, I don’t think ego is a huge issue for Stewart or Iannetta and hope any competition drives them both to really step up.

by phishbate on Dec 3, 2009 11:03 AM MST reply actions  

Just my opinion, I think ego can be, and has been, an issue for Stewart.

I think Iannetta in his way too has been negatively effected by his own pride in the past, at least he admitted as much about how he dealt with his 2007 season, but I think he might have learned from it.

by Rox Girl on Dec 3, 2009 11:11 AM MST up reply actions  

I think there was qiute a difference

in his attitude last year . But I am still curious at why he took such a nose dive in his performance. Tracy seemed to write him off for the rest of the season. Does anyone know what kind of reputation he has in the club house? I still have the gnawing feeling that it was a personal thing between he and Tracy. I had it during the last part of the season, too.

by butterfly on Dec 3, 2009 11:38 AM MST up reply actions  

If this is true (that CDI is in the doghouse)

wouldn’t they have made a stronger play to keep Torrealba?

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by Rawktober on Dec 3, 2009 11:43 AM MST up reply actions  

CDI isn't quite in the doghouse, but they're concerned about whether or not he's going to be able to improve or not.

I don’t think there’s any chance we don’t see him starting the season as the #1 catcher, but should he struggle out of the gate, something may be done.

by Greg Stanwood on Dec 3, 2009 11:56 AM MST up reply actions  

you know this brings up a whole other topic

I wonder if with Tracy, anyone ever gets out of his doghouse. I think Hawpe is in the doghouse too. But I guess we really won’t know until the season starts and if he is still with the team. What are the other guesses for who is in the doghouse?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 3, 2009 12:38 PM MST up reply actions  

So much for Atkins to the Phils

Polanco signs a 3yr/$18M deal to become their new 3rd baseman.

by Muzia on Dec 3, 2009 11:22 AM MST reply actions  

I'm still feeling that Atkins signs with the Twins after being non-tendered...

… but in my dreams, we find a way to trade him in the next nine days. It won’t happen, though.

by Greg Stanwood on Dec 3, 2009 11:26 AM MST up reply actions  

I know everyone thinks I'm loony, but

I really don’t know why we shouldn’t keep Atkins. Who else is going to back up 3rd and 1st? I know some have said Hawpe can play first, but man what a waste of that arm!

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by SDcat09 on Dec 3, 2009 12:22 PM MST up reply actions  

“I really don’t know why we shouldn’t keep Atkins.”
Budgetary freedom for players like Betancourt, et al.

“Who else is going to back up 3rd and 1st?”
Bobby Crosby or other free agent/non roster invitee.

“I know some have said Hawpe can play first, but man what a waste of that arm!”
I still think Hawpe will be gone too. Even if he isn’t, we’ll have someone on the books to spell Helton before we’d go to Hawpe for it.

by Greg Stanwood on Dec 3, 2009 12:25 PM MST up reply actions  

Couldn't we bring back Atkins for lesser money?

since there doesn’t seem to be any trade in the works? Or is that not possible?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 3, 2009 12:27 PM MST up reply actions  

Yes, it's possible, since we non-tendered him

However, it’s highly unlikely that he’d be willing to sign a one year deal for something $1.5m or even $3m with the Rox.

He may end up signing a deal that small, but if he does, it won’t be until February when the Rox already have their plan in place, and some other club is looking to fill out a roster.

Players don’t generally sign deals for massive pay cuts with their previous team from the season before.

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by Mondogarage on Dec 3, 2009 12:30 PM MST up reply actions  

I see. That makes sense...

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by SDcat09 on Dec 3, 2009 12:36 PM MST up reply actions  

As an aside....

I’d totally keep Atkins on this roster if it were doable at something under $3m a year. It’s worth that to see if….maybe just if….he can recapture that 2005-2006 bat. But that’s just not going to happen.

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by Mondogarage on Dec 3, 2009 12:39 PM MST up reply actions  

you never know, he may just go for that if he gets no other offers.

Although, I think Holliday’s departure was the worst thing that happened to Atkins

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by SDcat09 on Dec 3, 2009 12:40 PM MST up reply actions  

I think the problem is the timing.

He may go for it, but by then the Rockies may have gone another direction. They’re certainly not going to be resting on their laurels waiting for Atkins to see what other kinds of offers he’s going to get.

by holly96 on Dec 3, 2009 12:42 PM MST up reply actions  

true true

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by SDcat09 on Dec 3, 2009 12:43 PM MST up reply actions  

That's why those deals happen that way (where the player leaves)

Typically, it’s because both parties missed out on their dance partners.

The player doesn’t want to take a 70% pay cut, and the team doesn’t really want that player, otherwise, they’ve have made a more legit offer in Dec/Jan.

But you can’t play with only eight on the field, and if your AAA roster blows chunks, you can pick up some level of an established player on the cheap, and the player gets to…well, he doesn’t have to go coach at Bluefield.

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by Mondogarage on Dec 3, 2009 12:47 PM MST up reply actions  

please god no

"Don't give up, don't ever give up" - Jim Valvano

by nodakroxfan on Dec 3, 2009 3:07 PM MST up reply actions  

I hope this move backfires

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 3, 2009 12:53 PM MST up reply actions  

One of their moves has to, right?

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by Rawktober on Dec 3, 2009 12:57 PM MST up reply actions  

You would think

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 3, 2009 12:59 PM MST up reply actions  

Signing a 34 year old

to a 3 year deal at the Hot Corner…I dunno. Was Feliz that bad?

by Muzia on Dec 3, 2009 1:20 PM MST up reply actions  

offensively, he was one of the worst third basemen in the nl

But also possibly the best defensively. He actualle fit quite well with the phillira, who didn’t need his bat at all with the all star bats up the middle

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 3, 2009 3:42 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Beyond the Boxscore

put this up a while ago. They’ve done those graphs for other players as well and I have to say I’m a fan.

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by Justus on Dec 3, 2009 3:56 PM MST up reply actions  

I think it's a superb way to visually represen't a skill set.

and if anybody ever questions why I like the Phillies so much, I just say “Chase Utley.” End of argument.
In case anyone cares, here are some more. Adam Dunn made me laugh.

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by Justus on Dec 3, 2009 4:04 PM MST up reply actions  

The phillies obviously feel the current market inefficiency is aging and/or declining hitters

While I can grasp that they might get lost in the shuffle as teams overvalue cheap unproven youth, the think the Ibanez Effect may have clouded their perception a little

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 3, 2009 3:39 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

The phillies obviously feel the current market inefficiency is aging and/or declining hitters

While I can grasp that they might get lost in the shuffle as teams overvalue cheap unproven youth, the think the Ibanez Effect may have clouded their perception a little

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 3, 2009 3:39 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Verizon apparently wasnt sure :)

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 3, 2009 4:27 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

So the Dodgers are crying poor huh?

Better not cry too loud or Scott Boras will have both you and the Angels investigated for collusion.

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 3, 2009 12:59 PM MST reply actions  

Sounds like a repeat of the John Moores divorce and how they cried poor

afterword. Now look at the state of the Padres….pathetic

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by SDcat09 on Dec 3, 2009 1:01 PM MST up reply actions  

of course if the Dodgers ended up in that pathetic state

I wouldn’t feel too bad about it :)

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Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Dec 3, 2009 1:03 PM MST up reply actions  

I know I should feel bad, but I don't

I do feel a little bad for the Pads though

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 3, 2009 1:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah I feel a little bad for the Pads,too

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Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Dec 3, 2009 1:13 PM MST up reply actions  

Note the bottom
“The Rockies are looking for catching depth, but are not pursuing Gregg Zaun. The Rockies still hope to get Yorvit Torrealba back.”

DOD not kneel to ZOD

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by Mondogarage on Dec 3, 2009 1:48 PM MST up reply actions  

How about Ausmus?

Ex-Rockie draftee is 40, but available and is coming off a good offensive season. He’s great with pitchers and would help Ianetta more than anyone else on the market or internally (are you listening YT?). If Ausmus is cheap (he made $1MM last year), I say go for him before he ends up in L.A. again.

by Curt in Florida on Dec 3, 2009 2:48 PM MST up reply actions  

RG brought this up before

But as a potential manager.

I wonder if Ausmus would acquiesce to being a backup catcher still this late in his game

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 3, 2009 2:50 PM MST up reply actions  

He is a backup

At 40, Ausmus has been a backup for some time now. He backed Russell Martin last year. ABs have dwindled each year for a while after his salad days in Houston. I think he’d be a great fit at Coors.

by Curt in Florida on Dec 3, 2009 3:56 PM MST up reply actions  

i KNEW Zaun had three G's

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 3, 2009 3:47 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

well, yay!!

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Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Dec 3, 2009 1:54 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm still feeling a Hawpe trade.

O’Dowd has twice spoken against it, but I KNOW the front office has been fielding calls about him. Hawpe is my favorite player, but I believe it would be foolish not to trade him now.

by Greg Stanwood on Dec 3, 2009 2:02 PM MST up reply actions  

How do you KNOW that information?

Do you have an inside track?

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Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Dec 3, 2009 2:13 PM MST up reply actions  

In a manner of speaking.

Nobody particularly important, but I can find out on occasion who the Rockies are on the phone with, and about what.

by Greg Stanwood on Dec 3, 2009 2:22 PM MST up reply actions  

I’m more excited by the bit in that story that mentions the possible return of Jamey Carroll. You might remember him as ‘guy who was way better than Omar Quintanilla at the whole ’utility middle infielder’ thing’. As well as ‘guy who got the biggest RBI in the history of the franchise’. I always liked Jamey.

I think the Rox have to move Hawpe, though. We’ve got a logjam of lefty bats and it has to be broken up.

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by Franchise26 on Dec 3, 2009 2:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Jamey would be great

but as the article says, there’s a ton of interest in him this offseason (good for him).

now i’m wondering what other good fits are out there to handle 2B/3B

by phishbate on Dec 3, 2009 2:05 PM MST up reply actions  

If this means Smith plays every day

I’m for it.. I would still like to unload Hawpe’s paycheck though – the world’s most expensive backup first baseman. And I don’t care about his “desire to stay in Colorado” – hard to believe that’s relevant.

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by Rawktober on Dec 3, 2009 2:04 PM MST up reply actions  

It's not really that relevant, but...

…you can’t overvalue a certain amount of “great in the clubhouse”. By all accounts, Hawpe’s considered a wonderful teammate, and while I would agree with a Hawpe trade for baseball reasons (depending on the return), there’s something to be said about maintaining clubhouse chemistry.

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by Mondogarage on Dec 3, 2009 2:15 PM MST up reply actions  

No, but what I'm trying to say is...

….if we don’t get good baseball value out of a trade, I’m fine with us keeping him next season. It’s not like we’re carrying a poisoning case of the Bradleys here, Milton-style.

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by Mondogarage on Dec 3, 2009 2:49 PM MST up reply actions  

In a perfect world, however

We get a 7th inning guy and a corner IF bench bat that are at least better than serviceable…

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by Mondogarage on Dec 3, 2009 3:00 PM MST up reply actions  

No

In a perfect world, Hawpe could play second. :-)

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 3, 2009 4:36 PM MST up reply actions  

I like how DOD also sites his work ethic and the example he sets as a teammate

I don’t think it’s that important at his role. Not saying that I don’t want that at every position but I think it’s most important for the leaders of your team to be that way. Right now I see Tulo and Todd as the vocal and vereran leaders of this team and love their work ethic and the example they set. Again I appreciate what Hawpe did as a veteran leader when Tracy first took over but I don’t like the idea of paying someone 7.5 million to ride the bench and be a good teammate.

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 3, 2009 4:35 PM MST up reply actions  

Braves sign Wagner AND Saito???

Uhhh…. maybe it’s just me, but I wouldn’t spend $10M rebuilding my bullpen around two guys in their late 30s who can’t stay healthy for a year.

by Muzia on Dec 3, 2009 3:15 PM MST reply actions  

I wouldn't either, but John Kruk thinks this makes the Braves 2009 Wild Card favorites

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by Mondogarage on Dec 3, 2009 3:47 PM MST up reply actions  

BOSTON WON THE AL WILD CARD WITH THOSE TWO SO ITS THE LOGICAL STEP

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 3, 2009 4:40 PM MST up reply actions  

Another reason Torrealba stays a Rockie next season

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/12/mets-in-talks-for-henry-blanco.html

THURSDAY, 5:46pm: Blanco agreed to a one-year pact worth $1.5MM according to a tweet from Francisco Blavia of ESPN Deportes passed along by Matthew Cerrone of MetsBlog.

Nice, that also sets a value for Torrealba, probably a bit north of that, but reasonable.

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by Mondogarage on Dec 3, 2009 4:53 PM MST reply actions  

I don't know why, but the use of the word "pact" makes me laugh.

It makes it sound like some sort of blood oath, rather than just a “contract.” It may be a language thing.

by holly96 on Dec 3, 2009 5:45 PM MST up reply actions  

I think it involved some small wrist cuts and sharing of blood

Minaya and Blanco iz be blood brothers now, yo!

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by Mondogarage on Dec 3, 2009 5:46 PM MST up reply actions  

Rox are looking at Hawkins again...no not Dan :)

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_13928792

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