Report: Rockies close to deal with Miguel Olivo
by Rox Girl on Dec 30, 2009 2:58 PM MST
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PrintTracy Ringolsby of FoxSports.com is reporting that the Rockies are "attempting to work out final details on a contract with catcher Miguel Olivo." Olivo became the Rockies top target as a second catcher after talks with Yorvit Torrealba broke down.
Alright, here are some things we know about Olivo:
- He swings at an inordinate amount of pitches. 40% of first pitches, half of all pitches that are outside the strike zone. 10% of pitches that are occurring halfway around the globe in Indian cricket matches.
- He's a terrible defender, at least when it comes to stuff we can actually measure.
- He hits dingerz.
Wow! Dingerz! I like this signing!
Actually, we also know a couple of other things that do make it better:
- He's not likely being signed for anything close to the $5.6 million the Rockies offered Torrealba even though he projects to be about as valuable in 2010.
- We still have Chris Iannetta.
After prorating their seasons to a split time scenario, Olivo plus Iannetta last season would have given the Rockies top 5 in the MLB in the value of offensive catcher production. How much of that is sustainable can be rightfully called into question, but as it stands this does give the Rockies a solid shot at being the best in the NL West (Arizona's Montero/Snyder pairing seems the strongest challenger) at catcher for 2010.
A deal would likely mean the Rockies have turned the page on Torrealba, the primary catcher for the 2007 pennant winning team and who led the Rockies down the stretch to a wild card in 2009 with an absolutely sensational second half following the trauma of his son's kidnapping. Unless Iannetta goes on to other big things for the Rockies, I'd have to put Torrealba as the starting catcher for my All-Time Rockies team. He will be missed.
UPDATE - Troy Renck at the Denver Post reports that according to a major league source, the Rockies indeed are closing in on a deal with Olivo, and while they haven't completely closed the door on Torrealba, it appears very unlikely that the club would sign him at this point. Renck also provides the news that the Rockies actually did offer Torrealba the 2 year, $6 million offer he was seeking, but problems arose with the structure of that offer to keep a deal from getting done.
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Hey, don't hate on Indian Cricket
But seriously, Olivo is good because it guarantees that CDI gets most of the PT.
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I'm still convinced Tracy hates him
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 30, 2009 3:05 PM MST up reply actions
haha...
Opening Day: “Batting 8th, starting at catcher, Miguel OLIVO!”
Tracy: “We were playing a platoon, Olivo plays against lefties and righties, and Iannetta pinch hits in the extra innings. They should see even playing time…”
"There are only two important things in life: baseball and breathing. But at least you can survive without breathing for 3 minutes."
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by Hollidayrain on Dec 30, 2009 3:07 PM MST up reply actions
I'd start throwing stuff onto the field
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 30, 2009 3:09 PM MST up reply actions
You wouldn't be alone
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by Hollidayrain on Dec 30, 2009 3:11 PM MST up reply actions
You would be escorted out ;-)
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 30, 2009 3:28 PM MST up reply actions
I take that into consideration
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 30, 2009 3:30 PM MST up reply actions
/Watching Rockies game on TV
“Oh man Olivo’s starting again? Crap!!!!!”
/stuff is thown on the field
“Boy somebody is really pissed off”
/camera pans to stands
“Hey that guy in the bathrobe they are escorting out looks a lot like RMN”
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 30, 2009 3:38 PM MST up reply actions
later, on "youtube in jail"
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 30, 2009 3:38 PM MST up reply actions
I'll be sure to favorite that one
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 30, 2009 3:40 PM MST up reply actions
"But seriously, Olivo is good because it guarantees that CDI gets most of the PT."
exactly. finally, the superior catcher will get the bulk of the starts.
and God forbid, he wears out or is injured....
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
I don't see how these two comments go together
nobody’s claiming Iannetta is invincible
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 30, 2009 7:04 PM MST up reply actions
It was just a comment about hoping Ianetta stays healthy..
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
man, the lack of tone of voice online makes this difficult to be pithy or clever in a lot of ways
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 31, 2009 8:39 AM MST up reply actions
93 percent of communication is nonverbal
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 31, 2009 9:31 AM MST up reply actions
And the other 40 percent is visual
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
/rimshot
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 31, 2009 9:39 AM MST up reply actions
I hope it's less than what we offered Torrealba
my first reaction was “yeah, power and defense!”
which turned immediately into
“wait a damn minute, I don’t want to pay Miguel Olivo that much money!”
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a lot of freedom of choice there too
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by Hollidayrain on Dec 30, 2009 3:08 PM MST up reply actions
i voted for dingers
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 30, 2009 3:09 PM MST up reply actions
lol
i am still debating on which one to select
we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE
thanks for a great season Rockies!
LETS GO WINGS!
by TuLoRocks2008 on Dec 30, 2009 3:10 PM MST up reply actions
I think Dingerz turn RG on...
Wow! Dingerz! I like this signing!
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Olivo?
really?…hmm i don’t know how i would feel about it…like the article says there’s goods and bads to it
we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE
thanks for a great season Rockies!
LETS GO WINGS!
it would be preferable if dinger was standing past the yellow line and between the foul poles too
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by Hollidayrain on Dec 30, 2009 3:10 PM MST up reply actions
That should have been a poll choice
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
You know, I had a dream last night that the Rockies had a different mascot
It was a good dream….lol
"There are only two important things in life: baseball and breathing. But at least you can survive without breathing for 3 minutes."
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by Hollidayrain on Dec 30, 2009 3:11 PM MST up reply actions
The new SuessianNeagle?
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
SD.....
that would be a nightmare.
"There are only two important things in life: baseball and breathing. But at least you can survive without breathing for 3 minutes."
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by Hollidayrain on Dec 30, 2009 3:15 PM MST up reply actions
I think the giant unmovable boulder sounds promising...
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by Hollidayrain on Dec 30, 2009 3:16 PM MST up reply actions
or the small one with the expanding flaps around the neck
I can’t recollect the actual name of said creature
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
I would love to see that...
Goldblum interviews Francis..
nerd-a-rama
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Dec 30, 2009 3:22 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
JG: Hi, I’ma….Jeff Goldblum and…uh…this here is Rockies….uh..pitcher…uh Jeff Francis.
JF: The Moon and 14 electrons, Jeff.
JG: Okay, yeah…that-a, that sounds about right there…uh…Jeff. Back to you…uh…Frazier?
GF: HOT DOGS AND MUSTARD
ROCKEFELLER!!!
by Muzia on Dec 30, 2009 3:24 PM MST up reply actions 5 recs
DVR'd
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 30, 2009 3:25 PM MST up reply actions
I LOL'd
And accidentally flagged. Then I LOL’d again.
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
one minor edit.
GF: HOT DOGS AND MAYONNAISE
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Dec 30, 2009 4:42 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
dilophosaurus?
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 30, 2009 3:31 PM MST up reply actions
So was Paul Phillips so much chopped liver?
Maybe I just have fond memories of the game that he was miked up.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 30, 2009 3:15 PM MST reply actions
I think the phrase you were thinking of was "chopped sausage"
Because this is definitely one of his better moments
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by Hollidayrain on Dec 30, 2009 3:17 PM MST up reply actions
this is what did him in..
his low percentage of sausage awareness
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
eh, I think that high OPS was a flash in the pan
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 30, 2009 3:24 PM MST up reply actions
oh i know
this is one of those situations where you need to look at both parts of the OPS and not just the OBP, because he’s a SLG-and-that’s-all guy
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 30, 2009 3:28 PM MST up reply actions
he meaning Olivo?
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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 30, 2009 3:37 PM MST up reply actions
oui
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 30, 2009 3:38 PM MST up reply actions
I'm hearing a rumor
That they are discussing an incentive laden contract. If he reaches 10 walks, he will earn 500K more, and an additional 20K for each walk above 10.
I was actually surprised to find out he walked as much as he did in 2009,
19 times (4.6%) and not a single one of them intentional.
No wonder he hit 23 bombs
He was seein it deep! (for him at least)
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by Hollidayrain on Dec 30, 2009 3:22 PM MST up reply actions
Is Olive related to Barmes?
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Miguel Barmes
or Clint Olivo?
strokes chin
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by Hollidayrain on Dec 31, 2009 1:11 AM MST up reply actions
Well at least
there may be some potential down on the farm….maybe by the 2011 season.
/prays silently
Thanks for a great season of Baseball!
I'll be back next year for another ride.
Wilin Rosario could be awesome
And McKenry’s not too shabby either. I think Olivo’s a fine backup in the interim.
Will Wilin
Hehe…funny title
Be ready by 2011 to have an invite to spring training?
Thanks for a great season of Baseball!
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I could definitely see him getting a ST 2011 invite.
Actually he should get one this year just because a ton of catchers usually get invited anyway, but a serious one where he’d be considered for a bench job could certainly happen in 2011 if he continues to develop this season.
Nah, they should be as a cautious as possible with Rosario
I would not be opposed to 3 years total between Tulsa and Colorado Springs. Even if McKenry doesn’t work out, we signed Chris Iannetta due a shiny 3 year deal with options so Rosario has tons of time to develop and establish himself as a power hitting catching propsect. one of the tops in the majors.
Impossible not to have positive thoughts.
I want Sam Deduno to pitch already.
by bballrox4717 on Dec 30, 2009 6:29 PM MST up reply actions
I don't think being cautious and giving him a shot if he's ready are mutually exclusive
At the very least giving him a taste of big league camp should aid his development at this point. Like I say, I think it’s almost a given that he gets a major league ST invite from this point forward in his career just by virtue of being an upper minors catcher. If he’s showing he can handle big league pitching both at the plate and behind it, I don’t think the Rockies would hold him back. I think in the likeliest case is that he doesn’t actually break MLB camp on the 25 man roster until 2013, with a cup of coffee in 2011 and a more extended late summer look in 2012, but an optimistic “breaking the door down” scenario could see him playing before that.
This is why
I’d be happy with pretty much any solution that involves minimal money over the next year or two. I’d prefer to let the youngsters (CDI included really) prove themselves .
So if the Cardinals give Holliday $140mm,
What do they give Pujols?
“Albert Pujols signed an 8 year/ Ownership of Google deal today”
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by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 30, 2009 3:30 PM MST reply actions
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 30, 2009 4:45 PM MST up reply actions
I'm still not certain we're actually that close to a deal with him.
10 minutes later, the Rockies announced the signing and I look like an idiot. lol, that would be funny.
Anyway, if we ARE indeed close, I am certainly more interested in Olivo than I am in Phillips, and with McKenry still a question mark in terms of major league adjustment, I can’t find too many huge problems with it.
1 year, I'd be willing to go a little higher than 2 mil if we needed to, but not as high as 3.
by Greg Stanwood on Dec 30, 2009 3:45 PM MST up reply actions
We should be getting official denials within the next hour or so if it's untrue...
Or at least some post from another source downplaying it. So far the Post is silent, but I’m pretty sure Renck’s still on vacay, so they’ve been slow with things. Nothing from Harding or MLB.com yet, either. I don’t know. It seems this one might have some legs.
We do know the team was interested in Olivo as their primary target after Torrealba and that the talks with Yorvit have been dead in the water for a couple of weeks, it makes sense to me that it would be true. We’ll find out soon enough.
It's just the vague way the article reads to me that is giving me doubt.
I fully acknowledge that this could indeed have legs, though.
by Greg Stanwood on Dec 30, 2009 3:54 PM MST up reply actions
If nothing else
it could be a tactic to get the ball rolling again with Torrealba. Though I think he’s in a holding pattern with the Mets while their talks with Bengie are stalled.
wait i thought they signed Bengie?
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
Bengie wants a 3y deal
Mets have offered 1 plus a vesting option apparently. That stalemate is what’s holding all the catcher deals up.
dangit, Bengie...just sign
then we can start talking to Yorvy again…and Olivo can make the Giants worse….
sound like a plan?
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
why can't Torrealba make the Giants worse and Olivo be the backup?
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 30, 2009 7:05 PM MST up reply actions
Confused by fielding ratings
Seems as though Olivo takes a big hit due to wild pitches (WP) since his passed balls are with in a couple of the league average. KC led the league in WP with 89… 22 more than the next in line. Why should Olivo get punished for the KC pitchers not having any control?
The thought is that many WP are actually at least in part the catcher's fault as well as the pitchers
Or that a good/great defensive catcher saves his pitchers from getting WP’s in the same way that a good scooping 1B like Helton saves other Rockies fielders from getting errors.
I should add that I don't like it if they are given the exact same weight as PB's.
I do think some credit should be given to official scorers for recognizing difficult stops, but I do understand using them in grading catchers.
It's still a wild pitch
if the catcher is lazy and tries to backhand an errant throw rather than scoot and block it. Essentially, Olivo is below average at moving behind the plate
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 30, 2009 3:58 PM MST up reply actions
What if
the catcher isn’t lazy. What if the pitchers are just that bad. How is that taken into consideration? Sorry just logic thinking here but is Varitek (age 37) really the 2nd best catcher at moving behind the plate. Sorry some significant portion has to be pitching related doesn’t it?
Beyond the Boxscore used Pitch/fx data over three years
to compare the types of wild pitches. Varitek came out on top. Olivo was fifth from the worst.
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/12/28/1220699/2010-catcher-block-percentage
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 30, 2009 4:16 PM MST up reply actions
This does not help convince me that Olivo will be better thanTorrealba
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
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Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
Olivo can and usually does throw more baserunners out than he did last year.
He’s got a much, much better arm than Torrealba and that’s his one defensive saving grace.
but with some of our boys and their penchant for wildness
passed balls are worrisome to me….
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
You can stop worrying about that
The Rockies had 48 wild pitches with two below average blocking catchers last season. League average was 53
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 30, 2009 5:15 PM MST up reply actions
fair enough
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
We do have some young gunslingers without pinpoint control
but so do a lot of teams. Francis, Cook and Hammel seem to know what they are doing, while Ubaldo and JDLR have improved.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 30, 2009 5:53 PM MST up reply actions
We'll just be selective on who he catches
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 30, 2009 7:05 PM MST up reply actions
The Latin pitchers obviously
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 30, 2009 9:51 PM MST up reply actions
because latin pitchers are completely incapable of pitching
to a non-latin batterymate.
It’s such a stupid rationale, and frankly a bit racist.
I mean, I understand if it’s like 19 year old Marcos Carvajal or something, but most of these guys came up through levels of the minors and have been pitching to a variety of latin, black, white, probably asian catchers as well.
It’s not as if they don’t know how to do their job if they can’t be surrounded with the warm loving embrace of the Spanish language.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 31, 2009 8:42 AM MST up reply actions
I'm in agreement here, and have always found the people thinking Torrealba automatically caught Jimenez/DLR/Morales etc. better was a bit foolish.
Especially when Torrealba’s greatest catching achievements always seemed to come with Jeff Francis in 2007.
Corpas can’t speak English, so I can understand that idea there, but every other player on the team could speak at least some English.
by Greg Stanwood on Dec 31, 2009 1:23 PM MST up reply actions
I can't agree that language and cultural differences are irrelevant
From all that I’ve read, management/coaching gave Yorvit a great deal of credit especially in 07, for helping Ubaldo, Morales, Corpas, et al…navigate the waters both baseball wise and culturally as they made the transition to coming to the US as very young men.
Now that these players have been here, I would imagine that is less important(except for Corpas and Contreras who don’t speak English well, if at all).
I don’t think its racist to acknowledge this fact.
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
That may well be true
And Yorvit’s clubhouse presence might have been key in the development of our young Hispanic players, but that doesn’t mean that they can’t pitch to Gringos. Having a guy to help you along in the clubhouse and having a guy who can speak the same language as you behind the plate are different concepts.
by controlled_slide on Dec 31, 2009 2:26 PM MST up reply actions
I agree that doesn't mean they can't pitch to non-latin catchers
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And I agree
That having a Latin veteran in the clubhouse can be very beneficial to young Latin players.
Hooray for agreement!
by controlled_slide on Dec 31, 2009 3:06 PM MST up reply actions
It's not so much discrediting a Latin connection
but some people seem to think that non-latin catchers are ineffective in catching latin pitchers, or at least infer as such. That’s frustrating.
Also, just in the humor category, I hear that Torrealba and Ramon Ramirez did NOT get along. At all.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 31, 2009 4:45 PM MST up reply actions
ps we agree
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 31, 2009 4:45 PM MST up reply actions
that's bull, I met him in 2008 at ST
and he spoke some english
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 31, 2009 4:32 PM MST up reply actions
he's pulling the wool over SOMEBODY.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 31, 2009 4:32 PM MST up reply actions
Think Varitek would still be on top if he had to catch Wakefield's knuckleball?
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 31, 2009 9:38 AM MST up reply actions
heh...good question...
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They use a WOWY method,
Meaning that they create some sort of projection of the PB and WP that each pitcher would throw based on their work with all catchers and then compare that to the actual results for each individual catcher, meaning it wasn’t just the pitchers, it was in part Olivo. For what it’s worth, he also graded poorly in 2005, when he was on a different team. I haven’t looked up all the other intervening years yet, but right now the evidence is pretty damning.
One last question
So I have figured out Olivo isn’t such a good fielding catcher. Thanks for your (PF included) help.
Last questions, I promise.
Why is it that the defensive differences between the best and worst catchers seem so small? It appears they are about half of the other positions. Does this mean we are not tracking the true value? Does it mean the difference between the best and worst just don’t matter that much since this differences are small?
I think we don't really understand all of a catcher's defensive value yet, truthfully
Front office execs have access to all of this information and probably more, but we still see signings like Pudge and Kendall and offers like the $5.6 million to Torrealba or Molina asking for 3/$18M. Some of that excess might be chalked up to idiocy, given Moore’s work thus far in KC we can certainly speculate on that with Kendall at the very least, but I don’t think all of it is so easily explained by dumb GM’s.
I guess a better way to put it would be that we don’t fully understand individual catcher’s comprehensive value to teams: offense, defense and some sort of X factor that probably has something to do with working with pitchers (not only game calling, but having an awareness of mechanical anomalies) and that could go on behind the scenes as much as in the games themselves.
The Rockies
Must have really felt like they had a chance to set some sort of strike out record. Dan O’Dowd- “We set a club record for strikeouts this past season, but who cares about club records, we should go for an all time record…with Stewart and Barmes in the lineup we are definitely going to be at the top of the league, but those guys may not be ready to set a record….I know…lets sign Miguel Olivo!! That will put us over the top!”
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The Mets and the Astros had the fewest K's in baseball last season,
maybe we should emulate them.
Sort of kidding though, a happy medium is much better than where we are at right now. Let’s hope Stewart in particular cuts down on the K’s next year.
Obviously a low strikeout rate does not equal a winning team...
but the 09 rate was alarming, and signing another Barmes type strikeout guy alarms me.
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I'll give you that...
I should also add that high K totals are often a sign of a young hitting team and that they will usually go down as a team matures. It’s not always the case, let’s hope the Rockies aren’t like the D-backs in this regard where they actually crashed from middle of the pack in 2007 to bottom of the barrel the last two seasons.
Longstanding veterans like Barmes and Olivo aren’t going to help that, though, they’re likely to be pretty set in their high K ways at this point.
Agreed...
I think Carlos Gonzalez has figured out how to hit the breaking pitch that he missed in June and July, and hopefully Dexter Fowler isn’t going to get tied up too much by that inside slider…but like you have said in previous posts, its not always smart to assume players will get better simply because they are getting older.
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That's my big concern with Dex still
That his IsoD was pretty good because he was getting tied up on sliders but they ended up being terrible pitches anyhow. Not based on any hard evidence, just speculation.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 30, 2009 7:08 PM MST up reply actions
my concern with Dex
is he’s a right hander trying to hit from the left side, and if he’s not going to bunt from that side, I don’t see the reason for it.
agreed. His lefty hitting was pretty lame.
He still managed to get on base at a good clip though.
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I am baffled by this as well...
If you have wheels like Fowler and can hit from the right side, and never switch hit until you started playing pro ball, and you are struggling from the left side, why not ditch it? He is a completely different hitter from the right side.
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by Sandlotkid8 on Dec 30, 2009 10:18 PM MST up reply actions
Freud was right?
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 30, 2009 7:08 PM MST up reply actions
that's funny
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strikeouts are overrated
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 30, 2009 7:06 PM MST up reply actions
K's are fascist.
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throw some ground balls
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 30, 2009 8:08 PM MST up reply actions
SEE THAT ONLY WORKS IF YOU HAVE THE ROCKIES INFIELD DEFENSE :-)
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 31, 2009 9:45 AM MST up reply actions
whoosh
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 31, 2009 9:54 AM MST up reply actions
GROUND BALL PITCHERS CAN ONLY BE SUCCESSFUL WITH AN INFIELD DEFENSE AS GOOD AS THE ROCKEIS
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 31, 2009 10:13 AM MST up reply actions
whoosh
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 31, 2009 10:15 AM MST up reply actions
sigh....
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true enough
kosmo did a brief study on Mark Reynolds’ K’s and how it’d be better to have “productive outs” and it seems like the potential improvement wasn’t all that great
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 30, 2009 8:07 PM MST up reply actions
That was indeed interesting
Something like if he dropped to league average K’s, it would be like turning a couple singles into doubles or something
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 30, 2009 9:53 PM MST up reply actions
i think it was more along the lines of moving baserunners along
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 31, 2009 8:43 AM MST up reply actions
The old saying...
put the bat on the ball and there is a chance good things will happen. Strikeouts are not always a horrible thing, but guys like Fowler aren’t going to hit into too man DP’s…a guy like that is going to benefit from getting the bat on the ball.
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by Sandlotkid8 on Dec 30, 2009 10:20 PM MST up reply actions
Jason Kendall could hit into a DP batting leadoff :-)
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 31, 2009 9:47 AM MST up reply actions
Jason Kendall hits the ball so hard
it travels around the world and lands back in the stadium and rolls slowly to SS
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 31, 2009 9:54 AM MST up reply actions
This could go either way
I don’t know how I feel about this. Olivo is really underwhelming in almost every aspect of his game, especially at the plate. He swings at 40% of first pitches, which scares me…a lot, but still managed to lead the Royals in home runs in ‘09 with 23. Essentially, he either goes long or strikes out. So we’ve pretty much managed to sign another Ian Stewart, but with less defensive talent. However, his addition means that we have a true backup catcher, which means that Chris Ianetta is going to have to step it up as our starter. I like that because now he’ll have to work harder to pick up Olivo’s slack, so maybe he’ll finally hit his stride and realize his potential (which is bigger than most people give him credit for.) But no matter how I feel about the signing, only 2010 will tell how smart it was of Dan O’Dowd to sign Olivo. One thing I do like though is that he’s a cheaper option which gives us more financial room to acquire a solid right-handed bat/corner infielder for the bench.
One thing though…does anyone know how Olivo does with throwing runners out? Meaning, is he more capable of doing so than Yorvit?
Yes, Olivo's much more capable at throwing runners out than Yorvit.
Last season he got run on a lot more than usual, and that might actually be more the fault of the KC pitchers because the season before he threw out 14 out of 33 total SB attempts.
Okay, that makes the trade seem a bit more successful
That’s definitely really comforting to me; Torrealba’s inability to move the ball to second quickly enough was getting to be an area of considerable concern. Now we just have to hope that O’Dowd can snag a quality utility infielder complete with offensive power, or that EY can prove himself to be an effective force at second along with becoming a bigger threat at the plate (I personally hope for the latter.)
Huh? What trade??
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 30, 2009 5:41 PM MST up reply actions
Thought so.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 30, 2009 5:42 PM MST up reply actions
Haha don't worry, we're not quick to judge from one post.
Lol do it repeatedly and we will :P Haha kidding.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 30, 2009 5:46 PM MST up reply actions
even if you are an idiot
we welcome you anyway! :)
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we welcome a lot of them here
hell, we’ve employed at least one
/gazes longingly in mirror
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 30, 2009 7:10 PM MST up reply actions
I hear
God makes some good sake.
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I don't know why, but I like Olivo.
I have always wanted him, for years. I don’t know why, but I’ve seen him hit a lot of home runs like whenever I saw him play. Very weird..but I think he will surprise some folks and be a very good backup. I THINK. Lol..
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Btw, who else do we sign?
I say Contreras for our bullpen/starting pitching depth (he’s a fireballer out of the ’pen)..
And for reserve infielder Barmes because we sign Orlando Hudson :) Hey I can dream right?? Tatis would work for a backup though. (HUDSON PLZ O’DOWD OMG)
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I think that should be it though.
Do we really need guys like Redding when we have young pitchers that’ll probably be more effective anyway? Uh no.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 30, 2009 5:45 PM MST up reply actions
Contreras is getting too old in my opinion.
And he’s shown little to no interest in staying in the pen, or in Colorado for that matter (hence his interest in heading to Japan.) I think we should focus more on trying to sign a younger, long relief type.
Like?
Gimme one name and I’ll be happy with this post. But who’s out there that’s a young reliever??
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 30, 2009 5:52 PM MST up reply actions
His main interest in Japan was that his child was going there for an education program.
by Greg Stanwood on Dec 30, 2009 5:52 PM MST up reply actions
I still say Contreras.
His stuff looked purdy damn good outta the ’pen
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 30, 2009 5:53 PM MST up reply actions
I with you on Contreras
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What about Hudson?
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 30, 2009 5:54 PM MST up reply actions
I'm not so sure...I gotta think about that a bit more
I’m believing that Barmes will improve his hitting….or at least I want to believe that :/
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Yeah and the fact that we're infatuated with Barmes leads me to believe Hudson is just a dream that will never happen
I love the guy and I wish he improves his hitting.. But then again he didn’t improve it at all during the last stages of last season… Idk I’m pretty pessimistic about Barmey though..
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 30, 2009 6:00 PM MST up reply actions
Well O'Dowd said Hudson's a possibility if he lasts until February
He’s gotten near no interest so far and it seems Felipe Lopez is the more desired one in free agency based on interest so far.
Though if the Mets trade Luis Castillo all bets are off on Hudson because they will go all out him.
Impossible not to have positive thoughts.
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by bballrox4717 on Dec 30, 2009 6:22 PM MST up reply actions
I want Felipe Lopez
Hudson really got old last year fast. I’m not sure he’s much of an upgrade over Barmes. In fact someone here did a comparison on Hudson and Barmes last year before Barmes fell off the planet…and Barmes looked better.
I’m also hoping EY2 will make strides at 2nd, as I think he can hit in the majors.
I like Hudson better because he's a model of consistency
which is badly needed on this team, since Helton is currently our only hitting example of that.
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by bballrox4717 on Dec 30, 2009 6:57 PM MST up reply actions
I do think the Rockies need that
and some veteran type leadership. Hudson always seemed old-school type player to me. He seems the kinda guy that would call another guy out for striking out too much….though that’s conjecture on my part.
I agree, though if this were true, why did he get benched? He wasn't doing anything wrong at the plate
He isn’t the glove he used to be, and isn’t up to Barmes’s glove, but he’s still easily the better hitter, and don’t forget, he switched from an extremely friendly hitters park (Chase) to an extremely friendly pitcher’s park, so he might hit to the .360 wOBA he had in Arizona. For comparison, Barmes had a .312 wOBA last year and had extreme pop out tendencies, while Hudson doesn’t do that. Also, Lopez’s years with the Nats kind of scare me off a bit.
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by bballrox4717 on Dec 30, 2009 7:09 PM MST up reply actions
I disagree on the consistency
Hudson is on the downslope with moments of awesomeness
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 30, 2009 7:13 PM MST up reply actions
Eh, he's gotten over a .340 wOBA over the past four years
Which would increase somewhat while playing in Coors (more basehits and doubles), and he’s still at least an average defender. For a year, it’s an upgrade over Barmes, and obviously, it relegates Barmes to a platoon with Stewart which create bouts of awesomeness, and for to be our utility man. And he’s not going to be terribly expensive, either.
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by bballrox4717 on Dec 30, 2009 7:17 PM MST up reply actions
I don't disagree
I’m just saying let’s not consider him the great batting hope
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 30, 2009 8:08 PM MST up reply actions
Thank you,
I completely agree about Hudson. I like the idea of Lopez just because we’d be getting a solid second baseman that can hit from both sides, and he has some experience at third and short (13 games at each in 2008.) I honestly think EY is our best option though. He’s already established himself as a fan favorite, so we get a much needed image boost, he’s a huge< threat on the base path (and with some added experience at spring training and in April, there’s no doubt that he’ll end up a league leader,) he’s solid in the field, and he has a lot of potential at the plate…not to mention the prospect of having EY, Dex, and CarGo at the top of the order.
EY's "fan favorite" status also tends to raise his perceived value far too much, in my opinion.
I think many people are just so disillusioned with Barmes,. they’ll assume anyone is an upgrade. Until I see him performing consistently (especially in terms of defense), he’s an MLB bench player/pinch runner.
by Greg Stanwood on Dec 30, 2009 7:07 PM MST up reply actions
There's no denying Young's potential though
His fielding average in the minors is every bit as good as Barmes’, along with a batting average that dipped down to .264 at the lowest (his debut year with Casper.) Since then, .291 has been the bottom. I understand that this changes at the major league level, but I think with experience he could easily outperform Clint. And plus, this kid is fast. I mean really, really fast. Given the chance, he could honestly end up one of our best players within a year or so. I like Barmes, I really do, but I can’t look the other direction when talent like EY’s makes itself noticed.
let's not say best players just yet
EY2 has PLENTY to learn, he isn’t ready for a starting job at any position yet.
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But he's a solid backup for 2010
I definitely don’t think he’s ready to start, but I really do think he’s the best option as a backup. Because that’s the best way for him to learn how to produce at the big league level.
well if the question is
Barmes or EY2 as a starter, I’d go with EY2, here at the end of December. I like his upside, especially offensively to make up for his questions defensively.
well, a lot has to do
with both Barmes getting older, and EY2 hopefully practicing this off season.
It’s a trade off, that too me is pretty close, but I think the Rockies are going to need offense, especially the little kind. They have a lot of big thumpers, big K guys, they need another bat to balance that out in my opinion.
I understand your point
and I think EY2 has serious talent, but his showing last fall confirmed he needs some seasoning. I don’t think he is ready to be a starter just yet.
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at the end of the season, you can’t read too much into either way. Small Sample size as the stat guys like to say. Plus so much going on just being in the bigs for the 1st time.
Good point.
Hey, it worked for Fowler last year and he ended up having a decent season at a much more difficult position. Who knows. The kid does have serious wheels, I love to watch him play.
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The only way we'll find out
is when spring training rolls around. If Barmes produces offensively going into opening day, then I’d without a doubt go to him. 2010 is going to be considered EY’s rookie year, and there’s a lot of pressure associated with that, so it’s not wrong to expect some growing pains. I wouldn’t necessarily want to put him under the pressure of an opening day start, especially with how much room he still has to grow. So I’d say that unless Barmes is a complete disappointment in March, we’d be smart to start him come April 5.
When I say disappointment
I mean on a Denny Neagle scale. I doubt he’ll do anything to ruin his chances at starting, but we have to be wary given our history with flops (even though we tend to experience that effect with pitchers…[I’m looking at you, Livan Hernandez.])
Barmes will be the starter
I haven’t been as sure on a roster choice since I knew Dexter Fowler would start in AAA out of ST last year
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 30, 2009 9:56 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
He could be a solid backup.
But he should most certainly NOT be handed the starting job.
by Greg Stanwood on Dec 30, 2009 7:31 PM MST up reply actions
EY2's big issue that I saw
was he was not comfortable, at all at making the turn at 2nd. This can be learned. I like his upside enough to deal with him learning and getting comfortable at 2nd…it’s 2nd after all…after LF, and 1b, it’s the easiest position to play in my opinion.
I'd be much more concerned
if it were his reads off the bat (which is not really easy to learn with such a small reaction time) or his range at 2nd.
Range is not his issue
I saw a AAA game on Altitude where he went in to short CF to make an amazing catch on a shallow bloop. I don’t know many that could have gotten to that ball. Another similiar one later he didn’t quite get to, and hit off the top of his glove, and he got an Error….which was one of those crap errors that guys with Range get, that others wouldn’t.
In all honesty
I haven’t really seen him field. At all. So I appreciate the commentary.
The best part in Moneyball – was where Lewis quotes early Bill James
“The thing about an error, is that the fielder had do do something right to begin with, and that is be in the right place.”
I'm concerned about Lopez
that he had a good season (which he did) but that was his best and he’s gonna go back to being incredibly underwhelming and generally meh/poor and he’s gonna connive some team into giving him a 20M+ contract
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 30, 2009 7:14 PM MST up reply actions
His interest in Japan
was because his son is moving there as a student.
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Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
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Sometimes younger doesn't necessarily mean better...
Since we’d be looking at 2010 value, Contreras is fine. The one younger free agent player that would be similar in 2010 value is a spousal abusing jerk, so I hope we stay away from him.
True because we only need Contreras for one year IMO
We’ve got prospects coming up that I’m sure will be good for 2011.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 30, 2009 5:57 PM MST up reply actions
That's true about how younger isn't necessarily better,
but I worry about Contreras’ health given that he would see some time at the plate. As someone who pitched exclusively in the AL until last season, I feel like he’s a bit of a liability, especially with his age, and we all remember what happened last season after only his second start. What I mean by younger is simply younger than Contreras. We don’t need anything long term, just a good filler for 2010. I think that we stand a good chance at seeing Chaz Roe come up as a reliever in 2011, granted he performs well this season in AA/AAA, so I’d really just say that we need to try to find a cheap, healthy pitcher who can fill the void temporarily. Maybe Jorge Julio or Danys Baez?
JORGE JULIO RUN AWAY RUN AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by bballrox4717 on Dec 30, 2009 6:30 PM MST up reply actions
THAT Jorge Julio...?
not so much
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Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
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Wait..
Jorge Julio? Danys Baez??
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 30, 2009 6:33 PM MST up reply actions
Okay, so Jorge Julio wouldn't be a smart signing by any means. I realize this.
But I still stand by Danys Baez.
We have many internal candidates at or knocking at the door
let’s give some of them a shot first.
ROCKEFELLER!!!
Not so sure about that in terms of the pen.
We’d have to convert some of our young starters.
by Greg Stanwood on Dec 30, 2009 7:06 PM MST up reply actions
I'd take Mark Hendrickson over Danys Baez
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 30, 2009 7:16 PM MST up reply actions
exACTly
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 30, 2009 8:11 PM MST up reply actions
Didn't we have a lot of interest in Hendrickson?
He did well as a lefty reliever, I’d like him in our pen.
Impossible not to have positive thoughts.
I want Sam Deduno to pitch already.
by bballrox4717 on Dec 30, 2009 7:19 PM MST up reply actions
for the past couple of years, yeah
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 30, 2009 8:11 PM MST up reply actions
Just no..
Lol Contreras is better than either option.
Remember old folks, I'm just 17 years old =]
by CentralCaliRox on Dec 30, 2009 6:39 PM MST up reply actions
if you're thinking of who I am
his HR9 is absolutely unacceptable (see: Opening Day, 2009)
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 30, 2009 7:15 PM MST up reply actions
Not sure if this is old news, but I made a fanshot
linking to the Rox homepage and you can vote for the play of the year…
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
well this version of the details of Torrealba's "demise"
raises my ire more. They bridged the money but payouts are the issue. What could that be all about?
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
It definitely raises a lot of questions.
Why the Rockies would go up to 2/$6 million at all, for one.
True.
I just don’t think we need to be paying that much money for a guy that plays once every 4 games. It doesn’t make sense..
Remember old folks, I'm just 17 years old =]
by CentralCaliRox on Dec 30, 2009 6:03 PM MST up reply actions
YEP.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 30, 2009 7:18 PM MST up reply actions
$400,000.
That’s it. Haha wow..there’s GOT to be more to the story though. Seriously.
Remember old folks, I'm just 17 years old =]
by CentralCaliRox on Dec 30, 2009 6:01 PM MST up reply actions
I agree with you. I'm pretty perturbed at the whole thing
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
1 year with a club option, I like it
Methinks the club option is a sort of a safety net should McKenry flame out as a prospect.
Impossible not to have positive thoughts.
I want Sam Deduno to pitch already.
by bballrox4717 on Dec 30, 2009 6:20 PM MST up reply actions
That one all the way
at the bottom on the left, that’s something I’d swing at in a video game.
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you're just jealous of all the dingerz
Come on, you know this could have been your 2010 clean up hitter.
if the Giants had signed him, he’d have attached himself to the cleanup spot like a tick.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
well, now the Rockies have him so they can start him over Iannetta
whenever we have a Spanish speaking pitcher on the mound.., or a pitcher who took Spanish in high school.., or a pitcher who knows where Spain is on a map.., or Jeff Francis because he’s a foreigner too…
Spain,
that’s that country that is long and skinny, right?
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no silly
you’re thinking of Florida
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
The correct answer
is Chile. Chile.
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Togo
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 31, 2009 8:35 AM MST up reply actions
My nephew just came back from Togo!!
he was PeaceCorp-ing it over there…
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
I seriously considered doing the Peace Corps, esp with this economy
but I missed the deadline to head out by graduation day. Then I got a job and relationship, so that’s out
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 31, 2009 8:42 AM MST up reply actions
I'm seriously considering a bunch of unpleasant options
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 31, 2009 8:44 AM MST up reply actions
laughing at this
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 31, 2009 9:08 AM MST up reply actions
Especially keep the epidermis!
Donate to charity by shopping for Purple Row Merchandise at:
Purple Row Cares
That place
is hardly long.
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Relative to width it is
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 31, 2009 8:46 AM MST up reply actions
But it's not Chile.
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If we're
talking invasions.
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There was no invasion of Cambodia...
wasn’t that the official story
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
Nixon on TV with a map of
the former Indochina.
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I wish we knew Tracy's obsession with not sticking with Iannetta as the starter
We all know he’s made of stud.
Impossible not to have positive thoughts.
I want Sam Deduno to pitch already.
by bballrox4717 on Dec 30, 2009 6:41 PM MST up reply actions
Lets ask the TBLA people
Impossible not to have positive thoughts.
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by bballrox4717 on Dec 30, 2009 7:11 PM MST up reply actions
Batting average
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 30, 2009 10:00 PM MST up reply actions
I'm going to go kill myself now
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 31, 2009 8:44 AM MST up reply actions
Personally, I think Tracy is only a good manager when compared with Hurdle.
A baseball manager exists mainly to infuriate fans.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
Indeed.
I’ve yet to find a single MLB manager that is generally loved by their fanbase.
by Greg Stanwood on Dec 30, 2009 7:09 PM MST up reply actions
I more or less agree with this
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 30, 2009 8:02 PM MST up reply actions
HA
classic
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 30, 2009 8:02 PM MST up reply actions
Doesn't top Vlad's swinging at a pitch that hit the grass..10 feet from the plate.
Uhm, I’m not kidding. Lemme find the evidence..
Remember old folks, I'm just 17 years old =]
by CentralCaliRox on Dec 30, 2009 6:35 PM MST up reply actions
Well I fail
Can’t find it :P
Remember old folks, I'm just 17 years old =]
by CentralCaliRox on Dec 30, 2009 6:41 PM MST up reply actions
I'm like 90% sure
I saw him hit a home run of a pitch that bounced in front of the plate…no way to prove it though.
Well there was this at least
http://losangeles.angels.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=6106853
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 30, 2009 10:06 PM MST up reply actions
Which brings us back full circle today
Vlad woulda been a heck of a cricket batsman.
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
by Mondogarage on Dec 30, 2009 10:08 PM MST up reply actions
5 or 6 years ago?
I think he did that last year.
Remember old folks, I'm just 17 years old =]
by CentralCaliRox on Dec 30, 2009 10:54 PM MST up reply actions
thank you
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
I resisted as long as possible because CDI needs the starting job
but anything has to be better than Barmes 2.0
ROCKEFELLER!!!
he touched me once
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 30, 2009 8:03 PM MST up reply actions
The door "isn't closed" on resigning Torrealba
This is MADNESS! Go away, Torrealba, we’re going to enjoy our nice DINGERZ now. :P
Impossible not to have positive thoughts.
I want Sam Deduno to pitch already.
IDNAWTC
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
Why do you keep on tossing random letters at me? :P
Impossible not to have positive thoughts.
I want Sam Deduno to pitch already.
by bballrox4717 on Dec 30, 2009 6:43 PM MST up reply actions
WDYKOTRLAM
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For some reason, I think this has to do with Knights of the Old Republic
But that’s my thinking process when I see KOTR :P
Impossible not to have positive thoughts.
I want Sam Deduno to pitch already.
by bballrox4717 on Dec 30, 2009 6:50 PM MST up reply actions
It's the abbreviation
of your sentence.
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Oh, I see
Whoops
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by bballrox4717 on Dec 30, 2009 6:51 PM MST up reply actions
Sigh
I’ve taken way too much time off from being a Star Wars nerd :P
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by bballrox4717 on Dec 30, 2009 6:52 PM MST up reply actions
Would you like it
if we call all our opponents meatbags from now on?
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I GOT IT BEFORE READING THE EXPLANATION
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 30, 2009 8:03 PM MST up reply actions
I do not agree with this comment
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Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
I do not agree with random letters.
Impossible not to have positive thoughts.
I want Sam Deduno to pitch already.
by bballrox4717 on Dec 30, 2009 6:47 PM MST up reply actions
l2t00bz, d00d.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by A.J. Haefele on Dec 31, 2009 8:00 AM MST up reply actions
Olivo?
ok, so catchers were thin on the market this year…but Olivo? With all the Questions there are on Iannetta going into the season, the best partner we can get back there is Olivo? He’s not that great of a catcher, though he’s better at throwing out runners than Torrealba is, but that’s not a very high bar to cross.
I would have rather had waited to see if Bengie Molina’s price dropped. Or even taken Jose Molina, who can still catch better than Olivo, though Jose, can’t hit at all anymore.
I now look at catcher as very weak position on the Rockies going into the season. I hope the farm hands develop and soon.
Call me crazy, but I would have rather had Jose Molina than Bengie
Although that’s got a lot to do with how much B. Molina is going to cost, even if his price drops.
I don't like Bengie on a 3 year deal
he’s too old and at catcher.
I"m not sold on Iannetta as some here seem to be. I would have paid some for CDI Insurance.
The Rockies would have wanted CDI insurance too, in Torrealba
2/$6 million isn’t chump change, and it’s not backup money. For whatever reason, Olivo was the closest they felt there was available besides Torrealba (and I’m guessing Molina, but he was too expensive) to a potential starting caliber catcher. I really wonder what all goes on in the process to come up with that. I would think Olivo’s arm and power were the big selling points over Barajas, J. Molina et al, but I wonder if there was anything else there.
Greinke seemed to develop enough of a rapport with him in particular, Olivo caught 60% of KC’s games in 2009 but all of Greinke’s starts.
Pitcher/Catcher Rappot
can be very important. Calling a game, is one of those areas, where stats don’t always show up. I’m hoping he has this in his gun belt, cause the rest look like blanks
if there were ever a head case
zack greinke is it
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 30, 2009 8:05 PM MST up reply actions
on the mound?
Also, we have JDLR…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
yeah about that
Greinke >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DLR as far as being a headcase goes
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 31, 2009 8:46 AM MST up reply actions
I think Grienke is being generous in his comments about Olivo
Grienke started taking meds for social anxiety disorder and depression. I tend to think that had more to do with his head issues being resolved than Olivo’s handling of him.
nothing against Olivo….
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Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
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Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
So where do you come out on Yorvit helping pitchers?
There seems to be more side evidence to prove Olivo helped Grienke than Yorvit helping Rox pitchers
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 31, 2009 8:56 AM MST up reply actions
I read a lengthy article about Grienke
and what he went through to make it back. My point was that while Grienke is giving Olivo credit for helping him during games, his issues were far more severe than JDLR’s.
If I recall correctly, JDLR worked with a psychologist to help him with his issues, so I would probably give that specialist the credit for helping with his “head” issues, not Yorvit or CDI.
I imagine during a game that Olivo is a great help to Grienke re game calling and settling him down, much like Yorvit or CDI do.
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
Remember when you said this so we can bring it back out
A lot of people seem to overcredit catchers for working with headcase pitchers, so we’ll have the Cat’s word on this :-)
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 31, 2009 9:12 AM MST up reply actions
I think you are not understanding what I'm saying
For a player to have as severe of issues as Grienke, or Kahlil Greene for example, medication helped him far more than a catcher did.
As far as ingame play calling, calming pitchers down and helping them be better at their jobs, yes I give credit to catchers.
Do you see the difference in what I’m saying?
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
I understood what you meant in the first place
some people seem to think that the catchers are way more than just in-game influences on the pitchers. You and I agree that they’re more than likely only in-game influences.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 31, 2009 9:18 AM MST up reply actions
okay sometimes I don't get your sarcasm or humor
sorry….
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
again, tone of voice is hard to read on the internet
and yes, I am very sarcastic, and make attempts at having a dry sense of humor :-)
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 31, 2009 9:20 AM MST up reply actions
SO ALL THAT STUFF ABOUT NOT LIKING BA AS A STAT WAS SARCASM? WHO KNEW? :-)
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 31, 2009 10:03 AM MST up reply actions
exactly, I'm full of surprises
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 31, 2009 10:13 AM MST up reply actions
I am of the opinion that DLR is old enough now that his headcases
are his own issue, and he could have Torrealba, Bellorin, Iannetta, Phillips, Olivo, Johnny Bench, Carlton Fisk, Pudge Rodriguez, or Bengie Molina catching him and he’d be a similar pitcher every time he went out.
That said, if there IS something to how well Olivo handled Greinke, I’d hope it’d translate somewhat.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 31, 2009 9:11 AM MST up reply actions
I would've prefered Barajas to be honest, he was the best defensive option with a slick of power out there
but at least Iannetta will get a chance to rebound now. We all would’ve been calling for Torrealba’s head when he inevitably hit for a .650-.700 OPS after the first two months as Iannetta sat patiently on the bench if we had resigned him and if Tracy inevitably trusted him as the starter.
Impossible not to have positive thoughts.
I want Sam Deduno to pitch already.
by bballrox4717 on Dec 30, 2009 6:47 PM MST up reply actions
I've never been a Barajas fan
as I was watching the Rangers when he first came up. He was lazy, and took days off, especially behind the plate. Comparatively, he would be a better 1-A type catcher than Olivo could be.
Olivo?
I never really seen Barajas play
but he seems to have the best combination of power and defense available on the market.
That was my reaction to the Rockies signing Olivo by the way. He’s pretty much Barmes with atrocious defense and an even worse BB:K rate. The only upside to this deal is that it isn’t the 2 years and the money required to sign Torrealba, so we can go off and sign Orlando Hudson now. :P I expect Iannetta to rebound, mostly because we saw that he fixed his mechanical hitting issues near the end of the year (the extra innings walk off)
Impossible not to have positive thoughts.
I want Sam Deduno to pitch already.
by bballrox4717 on Dec 30, 2009 6:55 PM MST up reply actions
the only upside to this deal is that it isn’t the 2 years and the money required to sign Torrealba, so we can go off and sign Chien-Ming Wang now
To all of the doubters, to all of the haters, one simple message:
We will be back! Our purple knights will be victorious once again.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 30, 2009 6:57 PM MST up reply actions
I don't think Wang is going to cost too much money
and I think the Yankees will want him back anyways when Burnett/Hughes/Chamberlain fall apart.
Impossible not to have positive thoughts.
I want Sam Deduno to pitch already.
by bballrox4717 on Dec 30, 2009 6:59 PM MST up reply actions
no, try again.
To all of the doubters, to all of the haters, one simple message:
We will be back! Our purple knights will be victorious once again.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 30, 2009 7:01 PM MST up reply actions
dingding
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 30, 2009 8:05 PM MST up reply actions
The Good:
-There’s no way Olivo ever hits enough to convince Tracy to start him 29 times in a month over Iannetta.
-When Olivo does hit, the balls are going to travel a real long way.
-Hey, a chance to catch a base-stealer every now and again! Neat!
The Bad:
-I guess his fistpumps might not be as good as Yorvit’s. In all seriousness I will miss that emotion that Yorvit always brought – that will be something I’ll always remember fondly about the early years of the pending dynasty.
And for the folks complaining about Olivo to the point of calling him ‘Barmes 2.0’… he’s the freaking backup catcher. Backup catchers are only good at one thing – either they’re incredible catch and throw guys or they hit a ton. That’s why they’re backups. I think this is an upgrade.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
by Franchise26 on Dec 30, 2009 7:57 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Giants will win the NL West
This lineup could win the NL West?
Rowand should bat first
Sanchez should bat second
Sandoval should bat third
DeRosa should bat fourth
Uribe should bat fifth
Bowker or Schierholtz should bat sixth
Posey or Whiteside should bat seventh
Edgar should bat eight
It could win the Coney Island, Nathan's hot dog eating contest
but Sandoval, is really a ringer in that one.
/snorts applesauce
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 31, 2009 8:46 AM MST up reply actions
dude
you’re embarrassing us.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Dec 31, 2009 8:43 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
See if Chicago will take Rowand back. Maybe he'll re-find some of that worthwhileitude
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 31, 2009 8:47 AM MST up reply actions
I know :-(
If you guys weren’t division rivals I’d feel legitimately bad for you
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 31, 2009 9:13 AM MST up reply actions
I wouldn't feel too bad for the Gigantes
they still scurr me:/
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
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Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
well they're a good squad
but some of their management decisions are simply 
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 31, 2009 4:46 PM MST up reply actions
Hehe
Putting Sandoval at first makes him barely more valuable than Helton. The rest pale in comparison
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 31, 2009 8:46 AM MST up reply actions
well that's what they're gonna do.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 31, 2009 8:47 AM MST up reply actions
actually, they unmade up their minds about that. If they can find another 1B, Pablito goes back to third.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
Unless
as RG says, they sign a 1B, then DeRosa goes to left. Or they fail to sign a catcher, he might get time there (though less likely than option A)
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 31, 2009 8:49 AM MST up reply actions
I would say the last option isn’t happening. Heyman’s the only one who’s said anything about that, and he’d report anything.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
I don't think it would happen either
You want a catcher for Posey to emulate, and I don’t think you want Buster tripping on second base whilst distracted by cake
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 31, 2009 8:55 AM MST up reply actions
at least he's not as bad as Joel Sherman
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 31, 2009 9:14 AM MST up reply actions
Seriously, what is Schierholtz doing wearing white after labor day
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 31, 2009 8:47 AM MST up reply actions
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 31, 2009 9:16 AM MST up reply actions
He’s useful on first base. his ATK should be 0001.
Ishikawa is underpowered and vulnerable to the low breaking pitch, but Schierholtz swung at three different pitches that hit him over the course of the season. THREE!
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
I just figured this was funny
couldn’t find a funny nate pic
didn’t look too hard
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 31, 2009 9:40 AM MST up reply actions
When did
this CCG come out?
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“i like the idea of the giants signing Yorvit for one he has great defense plus he comes up with clutch hits down the stretch also he would be good to have to let buster posey grow into the everyday catcher.”
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by NewMexicanSteven on Dec 31, 2009 7:26 AM MST reply actions
"great defense"=arm like spaghetti
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by NewMexicanSteven on Dec 31, 2009 7:26 AM MST up reply actions
Yorvit and great defense
means someone has never seen Yorvit catch. I like Torrealba, and think he brings several things to the game…defense ain’t one of em.
well
If the guy only watched the Rockies during the world series two years ago, I can’t blame him. Fox was enamored with yorvit’s defense, clutchiness and intangibles
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 31, 2009 8:02 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
The McCarver Effect.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by A.J. Haefele on Dec 31, 2009 8:03 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I still have the clip on my computer of his 3-run jack offa Livan in the rain
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 31, 2009 8:48 AM MST up reply actions
coughsputterlaughsputtercough
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 31, 2009 8:48 AM MST up reply actions
The more to the story on Yorvit
http://www.denverpost.com/rockies/ci_14098238
It looks like the Rox wanted to pay Yorvit a lower base salary and higher buyout, and Yorvit wanted the reverse.
Can someone explain what this means?
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Part of it's the timing
Deferring a bigger chunk of the $6 mil into a buyout at the end of 2 years lowers payroll costs in 2010 & 2011. After 2011, with a couple of division championships in the bag & increased revenue from more fans/playoff appearance, and maybe with the economy recovered, the Rockies can better afford the buyout money than they could bumping up payroll now.
You will need to change your sig. We don’t want Yorvit en fuego con los Gigantes.
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he'd bat 5th for them
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 31, 2009 8:49 AM MST up reply actions
That joke isn't nearly as funny as you think it is
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/COL/COL200910110.shtml
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 31, 2009 8:51 AM MST up reply actions
Was that really our playoff lineup? I seem to have blocked that out...
Egads, Tracy. Egads.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 31, 2009 9:17 AM MST up reply actions
I'm just making these figures up to demonstrate: Rockies wanted something like two years, let's say at $5 million
with an optional third year that they’d have to pay another $1 million to buy out of. Torrealba wanted something like 2/$5.75 with a $250,000 buyout.
Since the buyout comes at the very end of the contract period, it means less money up front for the player and it’s almost like deferring the payout.
That seems like quite a petty thing for Yorvit to balk at in all
If he really loved Colorado and his teammates, that’s already a generous contract offer for a backup
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 31, 2009 8:43 AM MST up reply actions
funny I was thinking it seemed like a
slap in Yorvit’s face to not be paid his salary upfront…
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Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
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Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
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Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
The Rockies already caved multiple times in negotiations and upped the contract offer to what Yorvit wanted all along
Either way, he gets his money, which is more than most backup catchers get paid, and he’s not on a large market team. I would have taken $6mil to play on a team I liked with a manager and fanbase that loves me in a second
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 31, 2009 8:53 AM MST up reply actions
and I'm pretty convinced that was all a load
or at the very least overstated
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 31, 2009 9:08 AM MST up reply actions
I think he does love Colorado and his teammates, especially after his son's kidnapping
I’m not convinced Jim Tracy saw him as a backup. At least that is what his comments about competing for a starting job seemed to indicate. And even if he is a backup, why shouldn’t his salary be paid upfront instead of deferred, which is what this seemed to be…
I dunno, if my boss said you do the bulk of the work now, and I’ll pay the bulk of your monies a year or two after the work is done, I wouldn’t feel to secure about that. No matter how much money was involved.
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
The contract makes it secure
This isn’t the NFL where a player can be released regardless of contract. It’s true that payouts in later years diminish the net amount earned due to inflation, but it’s not that much. And it’s not as if 90% of his salary was deferred – the “bulk of monies” most certainly IS the base salary. In addition, it isn’t a Mike Hampton situation, where the money is deferred over several years. It would all be in his pocket in two years.
You certainly have a point regarding Tracy perhaps not seeing Torre as a backup.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 31, 2009 9:34 AM MST up reply actions
Well friends, I'm out for the evening.
I hope you all have a wonderful, fun and SAFE New Year’s Eve!!
May 2010 bring you peace, prosperity, joy and love!!!!
HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
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