Friday Rockpile: As the Winter Meetings approach, the Rockies decide on their priorities

Why does Billy Beane want Aaron Miles

Miles career OBP/OPS — .322, .678
Barmes career OBP/OPS — .299, .714.
They’re both good defenders who can play multiple infield positions.
Miles probably comes at a cheaper salary.
They’re roughly equivalent players.
So the other question to ask is, why does Dan O’Dowd want Barmes?

by 6161Maris on Dec 4, 2009 7:43 AM MST reply actions 0 recs

1) Lack of clearly better options financially
2) Defense
3) Last member of GenR?

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 4, 2009 8:45 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

oh good this again

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 4, 2009 10:04 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

In reading Neyer's blog

it sounds like Beane was after Fox, and got Miles because the Cubs wanted to dump his salary. Fox has definitely put up big numbers in the minors.

by RoxnSox09 on Dec 4, 2009 10:23 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

MLBTR wonders if the Fox acquisition

means it’s over for Cust in Oakland, who may be non-tendered. Jack Cust anyone?

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by Rawktober on Dec 4, 2009 7:46 AM MST reply actions 0 recs

The National League doesn't have a DH

and we already have a surplus of LH OF

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 4, 2009 8:46 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

hey he's been known to stand stoicly at 3B and watch the ball dribble past

and plus, we already tried the Jack Cust experiment. It didn’t work.

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 4, 2009 10:04 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

In case anyone was wondering I'll have a Purple Row Academy sometime this evening...

school has been a bear of late and will be next week as well—and then finals and I’m on break!

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by Jeff Aberle on Dec 4, 2009 8:12 AM MST reply actions 0 recs

I know that position

Right before finals and it is terrible.

JFK

by jrockies on Dec 4, 2009 8:14 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

hey me too

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 4, 2009 10:04 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Well, last night has turned into this afternoon...sorry about that.

Eschew Obfuscation!

by Jeff Aberle on Dec 5, 2009 11:23 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I would pay $$$ for the Rox to sign the Brothers Brothers.

And it’s another excuse to post this:

by biondino on Dec 4, 2009 8:37 AM MST reply actions 0 recs

I still adore this.

You can post it anytime you want!

by Muzia on Dec 4, 2009 8:40 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Okay the brunette guy

looks like Hugh Jackman

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Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Dec 4, 2009 9:51 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

And the other, a Smothers Brother

What kind of curveball did the Smothers Brothers possess, anyway?

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by Mondogarage on Dec 4, 2009 9:53 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

A big ole curve from the left, that took

CBS by surprise :)

Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!

Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Dec 4, 2009 10:38 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

for CBS a lot of curveballs

ok….that reference goes over like 95% of the audience here

by Redhawk on Dec 4, 2009 10:39 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

hey great minds :)

Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!

Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Dec 4, 2009 10:39 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

So who had the better curveball?

Tom Smothers, or Dick Martin?

and the answer is not Tom Martin. Or Tom Martino.

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by Mondogarage on Dec 4, 2009 10:42 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Tom Smothers by far

Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!

Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Dec 4, 2009 10:44 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Mother always liked him the best

(showing my age)

by Redhawk on Dec 4, 2009 12:46 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

might not be an age thing..

just a well rounded educated knows a lot of useless stuff thing… like me :)

Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!

Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Dec 4, 2009 12:58 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

My sons used to use that routine on me when they were growing up...drove me crazy haha

by butterfly on Dec 5, 2009 8:05 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I was surprised to find the Brothers brothers were/will be Lipscomb alums.

My wife went there for a couple of years, and it’s a pretty small school. She liked it, but I didn’t think they would have a good baseball team.

by RoxnSox09 on Dec 4, 2009 10:29 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Bobby Crosby news

The Red Sox signed Marco Scutaro to be their starting shortstop, blocking one of the only places Crosby could have gotten a shot at starting at short. This increases the chances of Bobby accepting a bench role with the Rox if they indeed choose to go that route.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 4, 2009 8:48 AM MST reply actions 0 recs

Are there any players in their mid 30s

that we can give up our 1st round pick for the privilege of signing to a multiple year contract? It seems to be the new fad.

by Muzia on Dec 4, 2009 9:12 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

At least Scutaro doesn't seem to be declining

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 4, 2009 9:41 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Pirates

are interested in Crosby, but only by way of initial inquiry.

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by Russ Oates on Dec 4, 2009 9:18 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I think the Pirates just say they are interested in players

to try and fool their fans that they are actually trying to win

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 4, 2009 1:31 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I haven't seen this mentioned here yet

but what do people think of Joe Crede as a backup at third? He’s risky injury wise, but as a backup to Stewart he could be rested enough to stay healthy. He could be had on a one year deal for cheap money because of his history. And he’s an excellent defender with decent power. I think he could fit very well here.

by RoxnSox09 on Dec 4, 2009 10:27 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I'd rather have Crosby than Crede.

by WolfMarauder on Dec 4, 2009 10:38 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Why?

I feel the opposite. Last year they put up similar numbers, but Crede had better power. Crede has had much more success over the course of his career. As far as defense, he’s considered one of the better defensive third basemen. The injury issues are indeed real, however.

by RoxnSox09 on Dec 4, 2009 12:04 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

When you're a bench player, power is not as important as versatility.

by WolfMarauder on Dec 4, 2009 12:08 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Crede can catch though

It really doesn’t matter. Crede will be looking more for a starting job somewhere, although I doubt he will find it. Crosby has probably resigned to knowing he will be a backup.

JFK

by jrockies on Dec 5, 2009 2:31 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Don't tell that to Detroit

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 7, 2009 10:06 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Gregg Zaun most likely to sign by the end of the day

Rockies are one of the confirmed final candidates.

by Muzia on Dec 4, 2009 9:16 AM MST reply actions 0 recs

As back-up catchers go

the Rockies could do worse, but this doesn’t really excite me much. I think it’s due to the fact I don’t see much up side here at all. 38 year old (will be 39 in April) catchers are usually hanging on. I was hoping for a player that if the Rox were forced to start for a period would be respectable.

by Redhawk on Dec 4, 2009 9:27 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

strange, i thought rox were out on zaun

if the mets aren’t in play with torrealba it may be more likely that he’s back with the rox under a reasonable contract

by phishbate on Dec 4, 2009 9:35 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

This is what I'm thinking

I think Zaun ends up with the Mariners, and we eventually get Yorvit back for something like 1 year, $2.1m, or 2 years, $4m.

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by Mondogarage on Dec 4, 2009 9:47 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I like Zaun

In fact, I have chosen him three times as a backup C in fantasy drafts in recent years. I like getting new players, but I do like what Yorvit brings (sans throwing arm). I wouldn’t complain a bit if he were back

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 4, 2009 9:49 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

i'd be good with a contract like that

i definitely think getting him back under a new contract is the best catching solution. he has experience with the pitching staff and provides clear competition to iannetta for the starter job, more so than some of the other vetran-y options.

by phishbate on Dec 4, 2009 9:59 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Backup catcher is the position I worry least about upside though

He actually had one of his better years in his career last year too, so he’s not totally washed up

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 4, 2009 9:43 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

It's one I worry most about

not so much up-side, but being able to play everyday or at least consistently, and by that I mean at a productive level. Now that there is no steroids to keep legs fresh, I think well see more splits in catchers time which means both catchers have to be “starters” in talent.

by Redhawk on Dec 4, 2009 10:36 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

come onnnnn Z game

I will so wear a Gregg Zaun tshirt

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 4, 2009 10:05 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

and I will follow you wearing my Superman cape

/ducks incoming punch

by Muzia on Dec 4, 2009 10:25 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

ZAUN IS NOT ZOD

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 4, 2009 10:29 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

by Muzia on Dec 4, 2009 10:44 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

0.0

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 4, 2009 10:45 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Zod is still more scary

Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!

Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Dec 4, 2009 10:54 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

But even RMN has to admit the similarities

There is no way to prove that Zaun is not Zod.

by Muzia on Dec 4, 2009 10:56 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

ruh roh...slippery slope there I think...

Can you prove that Zaun is Zod?

Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!

Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Dec 4, 2009 10:58 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

They have never appeared together

lending credence to the theory…

by Muzia on Dec 4, 2009 11:12 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

ha...convenient

Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!

Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Dec 4, 2009 11:18 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

just don't tug on it :)

Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!

Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Dec 4, 2009 10:39 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

"don't mess around with me" - Jim

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by Mondogarage on Dec 4, 2009 10:42 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Looks like he's going to the Brewers

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 4, 2009 1:34 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Read below. :)

by WolfMarauder on Dec 4, 2009 1:35 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry didn't get there yet

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 4, 2009 1:43 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

yep, just scroll down

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 4, 2009 1:35 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

How is Zaun's arm

Is it all noodly like Torrealba’s?

by mkorpal on Dec 4, 2009 10:33 AM MST reply actions 0 recs

Even if I didn't know anything, I could confidently say yes

but I’m pretty sure he’s decent

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 4, 2009 10:37 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

at one time Zaun

was a really good catch and throw guy. I have no idea now. It can’t be as bad as Torrealba’s arm

by Redhawk on Dec 4, 2009 10:39 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

the 2008 fan scouting report puts his overall defense near yorvit's

maybe even a bit worse. far from scientific numbers but usually good at getting a general sense.

2008 fan scouting report

by phishbate on Dec 4, 2009 11:09 AM MST reply actions 0 recs

meant to be a reply

to Zaun’s arm & defense…

by phishbate on Dec 4, 2009 11:12 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Would the performance difference between Zaun & Phillips

as backup catcher be worth the salary difference?

I kind of doubt it.

by 6161Maris on Dec 4, 2009 11:41 AM MST reply actions 0 recs

you really put too much faith in AAA numbers, then.

by Rox Girl on Dec 4, 2009 11:51 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Zaun to Brewers.

by WolfMarauder on Dec 4, 2009 12:25 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

2.15m over one year with an option

probably very similar to what Yorvit will end up with IMO

by djmbluemoon on Dec 4, 2009 12:27 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Conflicting reports.

I’ve also seen 1.9 million

by WolfMarauder on Dec 4, 2009 12:39 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Fox Sports reports that Rox have interest in O-Dawg...

That caught me off guard.

I got nothing.

by nkrause on Dec 4, 2009 12:35 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

See...

here

I got nothing.

by nkrause on Dec 4, 2009 12:35 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

hmmmm. Intriguing.

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by squalene203 on Dec 4, 2009 12:39 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

.357 OBP last season?

Sign me up. It’d be a huge boon, and a safe move on the defensive side.

Does anybody have the links to the conversation in the comments threads from last season about the virtues of Hudson at 2B for the Rockies? I seem to remember the consensus being that it’d be a good idea, as long as it was short-term and low cost. This would be the year for that. Unless someone still wants to bring in David Eckstein.

by deacs on Dec 4, 2009 12:49 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

ouch, low blow...

by Rox Girl on Dec 4, 2009 12:59 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

actually, I would have always been happy with Hudson,

but I’m especially happy now that signing him gives zero benefit to one of our divisional rivals.

by Rox Girl on Dec 4, 2009 1:01 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, I know

But I can’t let that go. Seemed like everyone would’ve liked Hudson last year, but we were operating on the belief that the relative production gap between him and Eck/Barmes would be mitigated by the salary difference. Unfortunately, that was not the case.

Plus, as you mention, there was the draft pick. And having Barmes’s SLG and defense AND Tim Wheeler (is that what the Rox would have lost?) outweighs one missed year of Orlando Hudson.

One year/$5M plus incentives to $7M, with a $5.5M team option ($500k buyout)?

by deacs on Dec 4, 2009 1:08 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Well, it actually turned out a lot closer to being true than it looked like it would early in the season

And the end result of the decision didn’t hurt the Rockies that much, obviously. Still, I’m not going to lie and say that Hudson wouldn’t have helped.

by Rox Girl on Dec 4, 2009 1:14 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

How much does he cost for 2010 though?

Anything under $6M base seems worth it, considering no draft pick attached.

by deacs on Dec 4, 2009 1:18 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

This would essentially serve as a swap between Atkins and Hudson on the budget.

The way it is stacked up right now, we’re already ~1-3 million over (depending of course on the salaries for our arbitration players and how they turn out) our budget last year, which was already the highest budget in team history.

I believe if we truly want to be signing players like Hudson, Hawpe and possibly Corpas have to be traded.

by WolfMarauder on Dec 4, 2009 1:34 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

well, Corpas was pegged as trade bait by renck earlier

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 4, 2009 1:35 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes, he's been a possibility for a while.

by WolfMarauder on Dec 4, 2009 1:36 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

i love odawg

and would love to see him in a rox uniform but does the team actually have room to add $5M~? I assume a contract for hudson would depend heavily on payroll being cut elsewhere. i’m not going holding my breath, but i’ll keep my fingers crossed

by phishbate on Dec 4, 2009 1:35 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

We can make room, but we will have to subtract in order to add.

I don’t see it happening, ultimately.

by WolfMarauder on Dec 4, 2009 1:35 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

exactly

unless there’s other big trades in the works (and i haven’t seen any real rumors) then I don’t see how it works out while keeping payroll steady. too bad though, i think hudson would be an awesome fit.

by phishbate on Dec 4, 2009 1:37 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm still of the opinion that the organization will eventually realize that trading Hawpe is in their best interest.

Other than that, there’s a lot of room ahead on the offseason, but it seems that they intend to hold onto as many players as possible, sans Atkins as of now. That could change, but when, who knows.

by WolfMarauder on Dec 4, 2009 1:40 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Plus it would be nice to add a Gold Glover to the infield..

I wonder if Palmeiro is available to play 1B?

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by Charlie77 on Dec 4, 2009 10:33 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly

2B upgrade for the Rox and downgrade for the Dodgers. There is nothing in that sentence I dislike.

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by oo_nrb on Dec 4, 2009 1:13 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

YEA

about a year too late…but YEA.

by Redhawk on Dec 4, 2009 12:51 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't understand when Ringolsby says

Barmes could get as much time playing in the super U role. He’s certainly not getting any of Tulo’s ABs. Q got zero time as last year’s super U. Platooning with Stewart? God, I hope not. I hope if we brought in O-Dawg he plays every day, right?

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by Rawktober on Dec 4, 2009 1:09 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Q’s role was less ‘Super-utility’ than ‘25th man/break glass in case of emergency’. Super-utility is a guy like Chone Figgins who gets a start a week at every position he plays. And I wouldn’t be against Barmes getting 2-3 starts a week at second or third even, considering how badly Hudson wore down after the first two months last season.

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by Franchise26 on Dec 4, 2009 1:11 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

At that point Barmes would get most of Atkins' AB's at that point as well as Q's.

The two combined for 468 PA’s last season, which isn’t insignificant.

by Rox Girl on Dec 4, 2009 1:12 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

presumably, Stewart would eat at least 150 of atkins' 09 ABs as well

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 4, 2009 1:16 PM MST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

and I'm getting repetitive with the "at that points"...

sorry, my Friday brain seems to be taking over.

…At that point, Rox Girl will also pretend that her Friday brain is different from her regular weekday brain.

by Rox Girl on Dec 4, 2009 1:17 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Echoing Franchise's statement...

… Q isn’t a super utility player. The closest thing we’ve had to one in the last few years was Jeff Baker. Barmes would serve as one as well; several positions, can fit into the lineup.

by WolfMarauder on Dec 4, 2009 1:17 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

This guy?

"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton

by Franchise26 on Dec 4, 2009 1:09 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't like it anymore

It’s not like he was producing at .800+ OPS last season after the first 2 months of the season, and his defensive range has dropped pretty seriously. I hope we’re being realistic with our expectations of Hudson.

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 4, 2009 1:38 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

he's no utley

but would be an upgrade from barmes. and i think he has plenty of value as a great clubhouse guy for whatever that’s worth. still doubt the rox have a way to make it happen money-wise

by phishbate on Dec 4, 2009 1:43 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

He could very well be an upgrade to Barmes, but I wouldn't see it has a certainty.

Barmes’ career is so anomalous that it’s almost impossible to predict exactly how beneficial he will be.

by WolfMarauder on Dec 4, 2009 1:44 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

So what you're saying

is that Barmes just might be an upgrade to Barmes as well

Saved by the buoyancy of citrus.

by coolopotamus on Dec 4, 2009 1:53 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Or a downgrade.

Or, if he repeats his 2009, both at the same time.

by WolfMarauder on Dec 4, 2009 1:53 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I disagree on that

When you consider salary burden, bat, and glove, we find Barmes as cheaper, poorer bat, far better glove, Hudson is more expensive, better bat, worse glove.

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 4, 2009 1:48 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

and with our pitching to contact style

Glove is far more significant in the lineup than a bat. We don’t need Barmes to hit for a high average (though it would be nice) but we do need his Gold Glove at 2nd.

Plus when he gets hot, he gets H-O-T

by Muzia on Dec 4, 2009 1:59 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

that's what i was trying to get at

i believe hudson is better than barmes overall discounting salary. though i think saying “worse glove” is selling hudson’s defense short, barmes has an excellent glove, many 2Bs would be a downgrade on defense. but if barmes is still on the roster he’s perfect for late game defensive subs.

i think the argument is moot though, hudson will not be a rockie

by phishbate on Dec 4, 2009 2:01 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

why not

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 4, 2009 2:27 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

can't see how the money works

unless they have a trade or two (hawpe) ready to go. i just doubt they’ll get a trade done that will free up the money to get hudson signed (assuming we could sign him to a good deal). i’m a big fan of hudson, i just doubt things will come together

by phishbate on Dec 4, 2009 5:13 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

fair enough

I just get the feeling he’s more of a possibility than other free agents are.

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 4, 2009 7:37 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

One other reason why I think having Hudon in the lineup would be extra benificial

is that he is another high OBP guy. Last year all of our starters except for Stewart and Barmes had an above averaage OBP; in other words the pitcher could rely on the bottom third of the lineup to get outs. If you sign Huson you replace a .294 OBP with a .357 OBP and leave only Stewart’s .322 OBP as below average. Now all you need is for Stewart to improve (and I think he will) and you have a lineup where everyone has an above average OBP.

If outs are the currency of baseball, the difficulty for a pitcher facing this lineup should grow exponentially. Does that make sense?

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 4, 2009 2:41 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

it seems familiar

http://www.purplerow.com/2009/9/9/1022444/patience-and-plate-discipline-what

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 4, 2009 3:00 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Well that's plate discipline not OBP (but still a good article)

So are you for or against signing Huson?

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 4, 2009 3:28 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

against

but not to the point where I’ll crap a brick if we do. If he comes out even close to as hot as he did last year, it’ll help this team get out of the gates for once

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 4, 2009 3:31 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Case Against Hudson:

he lost his job to Ronnie Belliard

by Redhawk on Dec 4, 2009 4:04 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Belliard is Hudson's version of Torrealba.

by WolfMarauder on Dec 4, 2009 4:22 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

HAHAHA

well put

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 4, 2009 7:38 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

yeah saw that

what do we do with EY2 then

we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE

thanks for a great season Rockies!

LETS GO WINGS!

by TuLoRocks2008 on Dec 4, 2009 1:39 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

and yea like somebody else said

a year too late with o dawg

we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE

thanks for a great season Rockies!

LETS GO WINGS!

by TuLoRocks2008 on Dec 4, 2009 1:40 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Assuming Barmes would become another utility man, and assuming we sign Crosby and/or another FA for the corner spots...

… then EY2 would be optioned down to start the year.

by WolfMarauder on Dec 4, 2009 1:40 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

yeah

which is something i don’t want to see

we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE

thanks for a great season Rockies!

LETS GO WINGS!

by TuLoRocks2008 on Dec 4, 2009 1:42 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Doesn't matter much to me.

I find the expectations people have of him here to be somewhat catastrophically exaggerated.

by WolfMarauder on Dec 4, 2009 1:43 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs

yeah he could always end up to be overhyped

you never know but i want to see what he can do

we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE

thanks for a great season Rockies!

LETS GO WINGS!

by TuLoRocks2008 on Dec 4, 2009 1:44 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

As of now, he makes my hypothetical 2010 roster as a benchman.

But I won’t shed any tears should somebody else supplant him. He could be a great tool for us, but I see no evidence he is ready. Keep in mind, of course, I said the same thing about Fowler, and while he wasn’t perfect, he was most certainly ready in many aspects. It’s not a decrying of EY2’s talent, or even what he could bring to the team. He’s just not somebody I make an extra effort to get on the team come April.

by WolfMarauder on Dec 4, 2009 1:46 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs

Now I rec you

rather than typing +1, right?

by biondino on Dec 4, 2009 2:38 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

yeah I've recced WM elsewhere in this article as well

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 4, 2009 3:00 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Whoa.

Certainly not used to that.

by WolfMarauder on Dec 4, 2009 3:02 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Interesting what you say about Fowler.

Dude was far from being an all-star, but I think we’re all happy with a lot of what he did and see it as an encouraging rookie season that indicates many seasons of strong play in the major leagues. All I know about EY2 – and it’s probably less than almost everyone else here – is that he’s a step below Fowler in both talent and potential. So no, I won’t cry if he’s kept out of the big leagues, or if we trade him – after all the talks of EY2 being a key piece in purported trades all year, I’m slightly surprised there hasn’t been more mention of it in the off-season.

by biondino on Dec 4, 2009 3:14 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I was more than happy with Fowler's rookie performance.

He overcame several typical rookie flaws, and any flaws that were there weren’t any more serious than those typical rookie flaws, which can be overcome.

It’d be nice if he avoids a sophomore slump though.

by WolfMarauder on Dec 4, 2009 3:16 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I would think that signing Hudson would preclude signing Crosby

In other words, EY2 would still be an option for the Quintanilla position. I think the team’s suggestion that Hawpe could finally play first suggests this.

by Rox Girl on Dec 4, 2009 2:05 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

It could, but I'd stack it otherwise.

Hudson pushes Barmes to the EY2 role, and we still need someone who can play first base. We could teach Barmes and return Hawpe there (if he’s still here), but I’d still want the 1B option of Crosby.

by WolfMarauder on Dec 4, 2009 2:07 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

This is why I don't like discussing hypothetical situations in such detail.

I always feel silly applying such organization to players who don’t really stand a chance to show up on the team anyway.

by WolfMarauder on Dec 4, 2009 2:10 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I just don't think that's how the team would see it.

It makes more sense if you sign Hudson, push Barmes to the role you envisioned for Crosby with the exception of first base, and use Hawpe to spell Helton instead because the team still has a glut of OF’s. Adding both Hudson and Crosby is a bit superfluous and expensive and while I wouldn’t put the former past the front office, I don’t think they’d be doubling up on the position. What’s more, and crucially, I doubt whichever player is deemed the lesser of the two (probably Crosby) would be interested in the Rockies at that point given the lack of available at bats. Either of them could find much more playing time elsewhere if they’re going to be the secondary bench option here.

by Rox Girl on Dec 4, 2009 2:12 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

We agree here.

It would be expensive, which is why I wouldn’t specify Crosby for the role, possibly someone cheaper would work fine.

I can certainly see how Barmes + Crosby would be a tad redundant, but I’m also still banking rather hard that Hawpe ends up traded, and in THAT situation, we really are left with no one to play 1B, and we’d need our fifth benchman for that role.

by WolfMarauder on Dec 4, 2009 2:15 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

It'd also be somewhat nice to have a right handed alternative to Helton should we need it.

But far from necessary considering Helton’s general transcendence of pitching splits.

by WolfMarauder on Dec 4, 2009 2:16 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

thanks

for this well-considered thread! i love reading banter between you two. it provides such relief from the comments on other sites!

by holidayelsie on Dec 4, 2009 7:48 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs

Welcome to Purple Row.

There’s no better Rockies community on the web. Hope you stick around.

by WolfMarauder on Dec 4, 2009 8:08 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I second WolfMarauder

Welcome Purple Row

This place has become invaluable for me in increasing my baseball knowledge as the topics are both interesting and enlightening.

JFK

by jrockies on Dec 5, 2009 2:46 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

The company's not bad either

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 5, 2009 4:29 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

hell yes

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 5, 2009 11:44 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

This is going to seem odd,

but I wouldn’t be surprised if the team would actually prefer signing Crosby to Hudson just because of the presumed ability to get him in at a relative bargain and a clearly defined role, and are just using the O-Dawg as a leverage tool in the same way that he is using Detroit, Boston or wherever. Because of the added complication to the Hudson plan, I could see them looking into that as a secondary option, but I definitely see signing the players as an either/or scenario, which still leaves EY2 as the most likely to get that last bench slot at this point in time.

by Rox Girl on Dec 4, 2009 2:23 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't find it odd at all.

GM WolfMarauder would sign Crosby over Hudson too.

by WolfMarauder on Dec 4, 2009 2:28 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

GM RMN might still go for Hudson

as 400PA of Barmes + 500PA of Hudson > 550 PA of Barmes + 250 PA of Crosby

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 4, 2009 2:56 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Does GM RMN keep Hawpe and reintroduce him to 1B, or does he sign a cheapo free agent for it?

I don’t see why you think barmes would get that many more PAs than Crosby would. Crosby would be filling in mostly for Helton (who would need regular spelling), Stewart, and Barmes.

Barmes would be filling in for just Stewart and Hudson.

by WolfMarauder on Dec 4, 2009 2:59 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

GM RMN is pissed because GM RMN had a couple of paragraphs typed up and then somehow mashed "refresh" or something equally stupid

Barmes and Tulo play 155+ games apiece, Hudson is a 130 game guy IMO. I don’t see him playing 150 again. That gives Barmes a bunch of extra PA at 2B, along with all the LHP PA he’ll get at 3B. I probably overstated the excess number of PA he’d get over Crosby, but you see my point.

GM RMN does NOT keep Hawpe, much as I have a soft spot for him (he was my first Rockies avatar on another website, the caption read “The best player you’ve never heard of”), and instead looks at Jason Giambi, Ross Gload, Nomar Garciaparra, Tony Clark, Fernando Tatis, Doug Malphabet, Mark Loretta, Ruch Aurillia, and at least makes a phone call to Nick Johnson and Troy Glaus.

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 4, 2009 3:09 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I empathize.

Hawpe is my favorite player, but I can easily see that trading him is the best move.

by WolfMarauder on Dec 4, 2009 3:11 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

lets go for dougie

I want to read and laugh at Doug Malphabet many more times

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 4, 2009 3:15 PM MST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

thank Sports Argument Stadium for that one

I straight up just call him Malphabet now and don’t even try otherwise

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 4, 2009 3:19 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

and tulo

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 4, 2009 3:11 PM MST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

I didn't include Tulo because neither Barmes nor Crosby would be starting over Tulo for any reason other than Tulo is hurt, Tulo is drunk in the clubhouse, or Tulo is arrested.

by WolfMarauder on Dec 4, 2009 3:12 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

or Tulo's just getting a day off and only plays (gasp) 160 games

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 4, 2009 3:12 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

did he swing at the first pitch again?

bad Tulo!

by djmbluemoon on Dec 4, 2009 3:13 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

no! no! that's BEHIND us now!

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 4, 2009 3:14 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I would still start a drunk Tulo over Barmes or Crosby

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 4, 2009 3:31 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Is it possible that the Rox might look to move Smith instead of Hawpe?

Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!

Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Dec 4, 2009 2:19 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't see why.

It’s not just return we’re looking for, it’s salary dump, and trading Smith doesn’t take anything off the books.

by WolfMarauder on Dec 4, 2009 2:20 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Boy you really like Hawpe huh?

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 4, 2009 2:28 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

That's not why I asked.

Since so many people here want Smith to start, I was thinking many other teams might as well, and could he be trade bait for a right handed bat. That was my thinking….

Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!

Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Dec 4, 2009 2:41 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Gotchyaa

I think there would be plenty of interest but I woundn’t want to give up Smith.

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 4, 2009 2:44 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

But yes I really do like Hawpe.

My favs are Tulo, Todd, Hawpe, Street, Torrey and Spilly

Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!

Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Dec 4, 2009 2:46 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

What about Ubaldo

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 4, 2009 2:51 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

and Ubaldo :)

Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!

Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Dec 4, 2009 2:52 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm pretty much in favor of all our Rockies

those were just my top group :)

Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!

Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Dec 4, 2009 2:54 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I think most fans have a top group :-)

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 4, 2009 3:32 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Whatever we get for Hawpe is fine.

The real gain is $7.5 million dollars of financial freedom.

by WolfMarauder on Dec 4, 2009 2:46 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I just can't figure out why DOD keeps insisting

he won’t be moving Hawpe, if money is the big factor. So if its all about the RH bat, why not move Smith?

Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!

Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Dec 4, 2009 2:47 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

You don't tell people you want to get rid of someone

He wants as many reports out there as possible saying he isn’t going anywhere to keep his leveraging power.

No matter what he says, you can bet DOD is fielding calls and offers for Hawpe.

by Muzia on Dec 4, 2009 2:51 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

There are several advantages to maintaining that position.

1. Posturing. O"Dowd wants other teams to come to him rather than make him the beggar, and they have.

2. Pacing. Waiting to see if there is a market change for him, perhaps after the Hollidays and Bays of the market have been signed, and the losers are left desperate.

3. Uncertainty. The discussion of Hawpe as a backup 1B is very much real, and there is almost certainly some consideration that if the Rockies are unable to land a satisfactory replacement, biting the bullet on Hawpe’s $7.5 million may be worth keeping over using that money to grab a whole lot of nothing. Plus, we don’t know how much FA money we’ll be budgeting towards Betancourt/Torrealba/etc should they find their way back.

by WolfMarauder on Dec 4, 2009 2:55 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

BTW

If I remember correctly, Dan went into the winter meetings last year saying the same thing about Holliday (in fact, I think they are just re-using the same statements). Dan than proceeded to openup a very quick bidding war on Holliday and that was it.

by mkorpal on Dec 4, 2009 5:01 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Wait, GM meeting or whatever.

Either way, I remember many articles stating that they were planning on having Holliday back and would only move him if they were blown away.

by mkorpal on Dec 4, 2009 5:03 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

you know what...

you are right. I had forgotten about that..or rather tried it erase it from my memory.

Well there it is then…BAH!!

Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!

Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Dec 4, 2009 6:00 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Well, CarGo and Street certainly blew us away :P

Impossible not to have positive thoughts.

I want Sam Deduno to pitch already.

by bballrox4717 on Dec 4, 2009 9:16 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

A September injury to Street aside, that one really couldn’t have turned out much better huh?

by Hizilla on Dec 5, 2009 12:45 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

the trade worked out for us

I was referring to erasing DOD’s lies as it turned out.

Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!

Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Dec 5, 2009 8:38 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

sorry, "gamesmanship" not lies

Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!

Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Dec 5, 2009 8:41 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I think the O-Dawg makes sense now that he was not offered arb

When we were looking at second basemen a month ago I didn’t want him because he was a type A and I thought the Dodgers would offer him arb. If you put him a second, the pitcher becomes the oly easy out in the Rockies lineup.

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 4, 2009 1:46 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Figgins to the Mariners apparently

They could be one of the best defensive teams of all time with their lineup

by djmbluemoon on Dec 4, 2009 1:43 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

4 yrs 36 mil i believe

we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE

thanks for a great season Rockies!

LETS GO WINGS!

by TuLoRocks2008 on Dec 4, 2009 1:44 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Is it official?

I’ve seen that they’re close, but not anything more yet.

I’ll be glad if they do sign him. The Mariners are a team I’d love to see break out sometime soon.

by WolfMarauder on Dec 4, 2009 1:48 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

That sound you just heard was the balance of power shifting in the AL West

As long as the Angels don’t resign Lacky

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 4, 2009 1:50 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

The Angels still have a hell of a team.

And I also wouldn’t discredit the Texas Rangers yet either. But the Mariners are slowly growing better, and Figgins (as well as their push for Jason Bay and hopes to re-sign Russell Branyan) most certainly put them a couple steps higher than they were before.

by WolfMarauder on Dec 4, 2009 1:51 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

If the Angels don't resign Lacky

I think it will be a three team dogfight in the AL west. I just see that as a major shift from the Angels dominating year after year. I’m not saying I don’t think the Angels can’t win.

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 4, 2009 2:10 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Lackey

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 4, 2009 2:57 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

What say you

Now, Mr. Spelling Nazi?

by Hizilla on Dec 4, 2009 3:09 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

that I made a mistake and you had to dig back several weeks to find it?

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 4, 2009 3:13 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

When the guy who holds everyone else to a high standard of spelling

makes a spelling mistake of his own, I save it for future reference.

by Hizilla on Dec 4, 2009 3:14 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

you called me on it there, as well

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 4, 2009 3:17 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Sure did

but you ignored it so I thought I’d bring it up again :)

by Hizilla on Dec 4, 2009 3:17 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Name misspellings don't annoy me too deeply, as I've made several myself.

But when someone starts misspelling “lose”, I go berserk.

by WolfMarauder on Dec 4, 2009 3:18 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

oh lordy lord

I fire up dictionary.com and prepare to start doing the sarcastic “lose (v)…” post and then typically catch myself

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 4, 2009 3:19 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Doesn't really bother me too much

Just trying to push RMN’s buttons.

by Hizilla on Dec 4, 2009 3:20 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

key word is trying

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 4, 2009 3:21 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Boss: Why didn’t you get your work done on Friday
Me: I was arguing on the internet about correct spelling of baseball players names.’

I think this discussion line is going to get me fired.

by Hizilla on Dec 4, 2009 3:27 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

you and me both, brother

/messes with sql server

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 4, 2009 3:32 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I actually like

writing sql server code – if only i could find someone to pay me to do it.

by Hizilla on Dec 4, 2009 3:34 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I know nothing about it actually

I do excel work as it works with an access database

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 4, 2009 3:50 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I want Purple Row to get spellcheck for Christmas

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 4, 2009 3:34 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

yes, please

by butterfly on Dec 4, 2009 3:52 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Figgins most certainly put them a couple steps higher than they were before

I really don’t see how Figgins is THAT much of an upgrade over Beltre…

by Hizilla on Dec 4, 2009 3:07 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Beltre is such a good gloveman that I don't see at is an upgrade at all

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 4, 2009 3:09 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Over the past 3 years

UZR/150 actually likes Figgins just a hair better…

by Hizilla on Dec 4, 2009 3:12 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

well wOBA also likes Jeff Baker's 2006 extrapolated

what does straight UZR say, because I don’t care what Figgins might’ve done

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 4, 2009 3:13 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Straight UZR Past 3 Years:
Beltre – 23.7*
Figgins 21.1

*In 39 more games

by Hizilla on Dec 4, 2009 3:15 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

ah, gotcha

is that just at 3B, or is that overall? (yeah I could just look this up but I’m not)

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 4, 2009 3:17 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

3B

I’m sorted on 3B Defense, so I assume it is just games played at 3B, but who knows.

by Hizilla on Dec 4, 2009 3:19 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

that's cool

thanks for the info, I thought Figgins was average-to-above-average

who wants to guess where Pedro Feliz lands

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 4, 2009 3:20 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Not #1...

by Hizilla on Dec 4, 2009 3:21 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I meant in terms of who signs him

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 4, 2009 3:22 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Having to deal with Ichiro and Figgins at the top of that lineup

is going to be a pain in the a$$ though.

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 4, 2009 3:36 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

if you think about it

they’re losing Beltre, gaining Figgins, so really it’s a step down

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 4, 2009 1:51 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

*defensively

we’ll see if that OBP shows back up again, or if he goes back to being Chone Figgins

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 4, 2009 1:51 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

What do you mean by this...

His OBP has been pretty decent to spectacular his whole career, unless I am missing something?

by Muzia on Dec 4, 2009 2:11 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I guess I'm looking more at OPS, his OBP has been decent to spectacular

that .390 OBP in 2 years are pretty awesome, otherwise he’s mediocre to decent/good

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 4, 2009 2:58 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

well yes I suppose so, I hadn't considered Beltre being gone

I wouldn’t be surprised in the least if last season was Figgins’ career year

by djmbluemoon on Dec 4, 2009 2:01 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

agreed completely

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 4, 2009 2:58 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Guess it's really your turn, Brandon Wood.

"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton

by Franchise26 on Dec 4, 2009 1:56 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

damnit. I wanted the rox to trade for him so badly.

Winners never quit, and quitters never win. But if you never quit *and* never win, you are an idiot

by squalene203 on Dec 4, 2009 5:10 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Crosby is interested in going to the Tigers, and they want him too.

Could put a dent there.

by WolfMarauder on Dec 4, 2009 1:48 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

The Brewers signed Trent Oeltjen.

Not exactly important, but he’s a name we saw a lot in Spring Training the past few years in Tuscon with us on the Diamondbacks.

by WolfMarauder on Dec 4, 2009 1:53 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

I've read somewhere that the D'backs are likely to offer Conor Jackson a contract

It was doubtful for a while, it was a weird injury/illness he had

by djmbluemoon on Dec 4, 2009 2:03 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

part of it is that they just don't have a lot of options otherwise...

And because of the Valley Fever, Jackson actually fits pretty well in their price range right now. He’s actually a pretty decent early bet for Comeback player in 2010.

by Rox Girl on Dec 4, 2009 2:16 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Hehehehe. The Yankees are cutting payroll.

Yaaay.

by WolfMarauder on Dec 4, 2009 3:00 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

I don't believe them

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 4, 2009 3:38 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't either, but it's fun to pretend.

by WolfMarauder on Dec 4, 2009 3:42 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes, well

they cut payroll last year…
2008: 209Mil
2009: 201Mil

I hardly think that counts either though.

by Hizilla on Dec 4, 2009 3:45 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

It really dosn't count

They had more coming off the books last year than most team’s entire payroll and they added almost all of it back.

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 4, 2009 3:48 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Minor news

Spilly’s favourite pitcher just signed with the Dodgers

by djmbluemoon on Dec 4, 2009 3:16 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

hehe merkin

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 4, 2009 3:18 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

O.o

by WolfMarauder on Dec 4, 2009 3:18 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

what? he sucks

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 4, 2009 3:20 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

He does, but the player who Bluemoon was referring to was Justin Miller.

by WolfMarauder on Dec 4, 2009 3:24 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

true dat

by djmbluemoon on Dec 4, 2009 3:26 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

just realised, my bad,

Miller just loaded the gun

by djmbluemoon on Dec 4, 2009 3:27 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Spilly still certainly appreciates those extra runs.

by WolfMarauder on Dec 4, 2009 3:30 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I was gonna say

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 4, 2009 3:33 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Except he hit the homer off Valdez

Miller got the Loss but Valdez gave up the jack

by Roxfan24 on Dec 4, 2009 9:35 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm ok with Hudson.

Granted we can find good trades to move Barmes and Hawpe. That would be awesome.

by mkorpal on Dec 4, 2009 5:05 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

Rox have contingency plan as according to Troy Renck...

see here

Highlights:
- Raffy B. leaves, team goes after LaTroy H.
- Also have Justin Duchscherer in their sight
- Mark DeRosa is added to the list of potential balanced lineup pick ups
- Mentions O-Dawg can fall into Rockies’ price range

I got nothing.

by nkrause on Dec 4, 2009 5:17 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

I'd pretty psyched with O-Dawg coming to Coors...

Like mentioned before, wouldn’t have to worry about finding the right handed backup infield for 2nd/3rd since Barmes would be that guy; Hawpe can back up at 1st; EY2 gets chance in outfield, infield at times (and pinch ran for speed); and O-Dawg improves offense. Like RMN said before, to keep O-Dawg fresh, Barmes will get playing time so he won’t lose at bats there. I think it would be an ideal pick up.

I got nothing.

by nkrause on Dec 4, 2009 5:20 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Rox interested in Hawkins...no not Dan:)

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_13928792

Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!

Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Dec 4, 2009 6:20 PM MST reply actions 0 recs