The All-Time Anti-9

by KDub1988 on Dec 4, 2009 10:30 AM MST

Being a huge Rockies fan, you'll always remember the best times. Unfortunatly there were some not so great times filled with some not so great players. MLB.com is running a top 9 poll on it's website, in the same festive spirit I've posted to hear what everyone's Anti-9 is including a relief pitcher, anti-9 sounded better than the terrible-10 so i stuck with it. A player for every position, it can be a player in general or just a player's single season, whatever floats your boat. C: 1B: 2B: 3B: SS: LF: CF: RF: SP: RP:

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Anti-9

First of all i would like to apoligize for the order of my posts. I do write them out well-spaced and organized but I guess I have an outdated IE because pictures never show up and my posts come out screwy. That said here be my nine

C: Kurt Manwaring
1B: Todd Zeile (mostly 3B i know but i can’t put Helldog or the Big Cat here)
2B: Terry Shumpert
SS: Royce ’Predator" Clayton
3B: Chris Stynes
LF: Ron Gant
CF: Choo Freeman
RF: Jeromy Burnitz

SP: Denny Neagle
RP: Shawn ‘The Choker’ Chacon

by KDub1988 on Dec 4, 2009 10:53 AM MST reply actions

How on earth do you put Jeromy Burnitz on this list

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 4, 2009 11:05 AM MST reply actions

Really!!! good power plus he's from my hometown.

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by pedalpusher on Dec 5, 2009 1:43 PM MST up reply actions

Toss up between Burnitz and Hammonds

I’ve never been a Burnitz fan. It was ok when he was a Brewer but as time progressed and he made his way to the Rockies, my dismay just seemed to grow. When I watched him play, I basically felt like that’s what it would have been like to see John Kruk play

by KDub1988 on Dec 4, 2009 11:46 AM MST reply actions

Yeah, those 37 jacks he hit were a total bummer. So was Hammonds’ all-star appearance.

"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton

by Franchise26 on Dec 4, 2009 11:59 AM MST up reply actions

man I hate those +.900 OPS seasons

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 4, 2009 12:26 PM MST up reply actions

C: JD Closser
1B: Denny Hocking has to go somewhere so I’m putting him here.
2B: Jose Ortiz
SS: Freddy Benavides
3B: Chris Stynes
OF: Willy Taveras
OF: Steve Finley
OF: Rene Reyes

And if you can’t come up with an entire rotation, you aren’t thinking hard enough:

SP: Denny Stark
SP: Scott Elarton
SP: Greg Harris
SP: Livan Hernandez
SP: Zack Day

RP: Mike Munoz

"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton

by Franchise26 on Dec 4, 2009 12:10 PM MST reply actions

That team might lose 130 games

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 4, 2009 12:40 PM MST up reply actions

And that's just Livan Hernandez...

3 out of 4 sounds so much better than 2 out of 3...

by realmenwearpurple on Dec 4, 2009 1:18 PM MST up reply actions

But Livan is a winnuh!

He averages like 10 wins a season.

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by Charlie77 on Dec 6, 2009 6:30 PM MST up reply actions

please, Winnar

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 6, 2009 7:51 PM MST up reply actions

You use your accent, I'll use mine..

esta bien?

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by Charlie77 on Dec 6, 2009 7:59 PM MST up reply actions

oui

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 8, 2009 6:10 PM MST up reply actions

Only 130?

Damn, I didn’t try hard enough.

I’ll fill out the rest of that bullpen, too – please add Luis Vizcaino, Gary Wayne, Jeff Fassero and Kevin Jarvis as long men, John Wasdin and Rick White.

"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton

by Franchise26 on Dec 4, 2009 1:19 PM MST up reply actions

Oh no

They all suck but I have this theory that as long as a team consits of major league players they will win a few games. I mean with the exception of a couple of historic teams, everybody wins 50 and everbody loses 50 and it’s those other 62 that separates the good from the bad. Even the pitchers listed above will have a few good starts that just happen to come on the same day that an opponent’s pitcher has a bad one.

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 4, 2009 1:57 PM MST up reply actions

I think my rotation might consist solely of high-priced busts

Swift, Saberhagen, Neagle, Hampton (although the first half of his first season might preclude his inclusion). I’d feel bad about including Darryl Kile as my 5th, so no 5th.

By the way, I remember really rooting for Denny Stark to be good after his rookie season. Alas…

by controlled_slide on Dec 4, 2009 1:01 PM MST up reply actions

Any number of #5 candidates from the '93 roster...Bottenfield, Greg Harris and on and on.

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by pedalpusher on Dec 5, 2009 1:42 PM MST up reply actions

I'm proud someone at least chose Jose Ortiz

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 6, 2009 3:16 PM MST up reply actions

I know you're going off of 2003 and 2004

but I have a hard time including Denny Stark on this list when he held the franchise low record for H/9 until this year and still has a top 8 ERA season. It might be only 128 IP, but that’s more than he pitched in the two bad years combined. Essentially, more than half of his Rockies career, he was a record-setting good pitcher.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 10, 2009 10:37 AM MST up reply actions

I will have to think about the whole list for a while...

but I am currently shocked that no one has listed Jose Hernandez as their shortstop….those were horrible days….that guy really knew how to strike out.

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by Sandlotkid8 on Dec 4, 2009 1:57 PM MST reply actions

After looking at Basball Reference...was Jose Hernandez only with the Rockies for 69 games?

For some reason I thought it was for a season and a half or so. I guess it just felt like that long.

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by Sandlotkid8 on Dec 4, 2009 2:05 PM MST up reply actions

what about Desi Relaford

can we put him in there

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 4, 2009 3:22 PM MST up reply actions

Here's an outfield for the all-forgettable team

How about these three perpetrators:
Kimera Bartee (picked up in July 2001 for Chone Figgins in possibly worst-ever Rockies trade…batted .000 in 15 ABs)
Jacob Cruz (received in June 2001 trade for serviceable Josh Bard and Jody Gerut before release just a month or so later)
John Mabry (hit a robust .118 before merciful release)

by Curt in Florida on Dec 4, 2009 3:40 PM MST reply actions

Ah the Mabry release

Which led to the call up of Spilly which led directly to our pennant. Directly.

by KindredSprites on Dec 4, 2009 4:36 PM MST up reply actions

Larry Bigbie

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 4, 2009 7:40 PM MST up reply actions

I already did this about a month back with WAR...

the All Anti-WAR team for the Rockies is included at the bottom of this post.

The team would be projected to be 17-145:

Single Season Goats

This would be the worst single-season lineup the Rockies could put on the field (worst players starting). The sad thing is that many of them did play a large role for the Rockies. The damage: -15.9 hitting WAR (-11.2 from the starting lineup), -7.5 relief WAR, and -8.5 SP WAR for a total of -31.9 wins above replacement. This team should statistically win 16.7 games out of 162.

Starting Lineup

C: Kirt Manwaring (1997) -2.1
1B: John Vander Wal (1997) -0.7
2B: Luis A. Gonzalez (2006) -1.0
3B: Vinny Castilla (1993) -0.5 [soon to be supplanted by Garrett Atkins, 2009 (-0.9)]
SS: Neifi Perez (1998) -1.2 (and yes, he played all 162 games)
LF: Dante Bichette (1999) -2.8
CF: Choo Freeman (2004) -1.2
RF: Brad Hawpe (2008) -1.7

Bench

Cory Sullivan (2006) -1.1
Steve Finley (2007) -1.1
Jason Bates (1996) -0.9
Jeff Baker (2007) -0.7
Gary Bennett (2002) -0.9

Batting Order

1. Neifi Perez
2. Choo Freeman
3. Vinny Castilla
4. Dante Bichette
5. Brad Hawpe
6. John Vander Wal
7. Kirt Manwaring
8. Luis A. Gonzalez

Starting Rotation:

SP1: Dennis Stark (2004) -1.9
SP2: Joe Kennedy (2005) -1.9
SP3: Brian Rekar (1996) -1.6
SP4: Andy Ashby (1993) -1.6
SP5: Mike Hampton (2002) -1.5

Bullpen (in order of suckitude):

Shawn Chacon (2004) -1.7
Todd Jones (2003) -1.4
Mike Dejean (1999) -1
Darren Holmes (1994) -0.9
Jose Acevedo (2005) -0.9
Jeremy Affeldt (2006) -0.8
Javier Lopez (2004) -0.8

Eschew Obfuscation!

by Jeff Aberle on Dec 4, 2009 7:02 PM MST reply actions

Seems like

you people are bored and are taking to torturing yourselves with these terrible players. I will pray extra hard for you guys tonight.

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by lizardlad01 on Dec 5, 2009 1:12 AM MST up reply actions

Here's mine

C Jayhawk Owens
1B Atkins V. 09
2B Lansing
SS Perez
3B Atkins V. 09
LF Cruz
CF Cole
RF Pellow
SP Elarton
RP Chacon

Some are easy calls, and some were actually kind of difficult and need some definition.

Chacon as a SP didn’t win after June1, but before then he was OK.
As a RP, did anyone have any confidence when he entered the game? I never did.
I had to pick one or the other for him, so I gave him the RP spot.

Atkins V. 09 is an easy pick. He sucked…
Same goes for Neifi. He was as bad as Barmes in his propensity to pop-up seemingly hitable pitches.

Oh, and as far as who I want managing my team, why that “honor” falls to Jim Leyland. Total failure IMO.

The oxen are slow, but the earth is patient.

by rockieprogress on Dec 5, 2009 10:36 AM MST reply actions

I would personally exclude bench players and fifth starters

just given that those will be filled with worthless players on every team from time to time. It’s the ones that had huge expectations but failed miserably that left a sour taste in my mouth.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 6, 2009 3:18 PM MST reply actions

The only players I can vote for with malice in my heart is..

Bobby Estellela: C (roider)
Andy Ashby: P (rockies hater)
Denny Neagle: P (lover of soiled doves)

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by Charlie77 on Dec 6, 2009 6:38 PM MST reply actions

In my memory:

C Kirt Manwaring
1B Ryan Shealy
2B Jose Ortiz
SS Juan Uribe
3B Chris Stynes
LF Jacob Cruz (GAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!)
CF Choo Freeman
RF Dustan Mohr

PH: John Mabry

SP: Denny Neagle, Sun-Woo Kim, Mark Redman, Jason Young, Juan Morillo

RP: Scott DOHHHH!mann, Jose Jimenez (2003), Shawn Chacon, Javier Lopez (aside from 2003), and many many others

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by Hollidayrain on Dec 7, 2009 12:40 PM MST reply actions