Wednesday Rockpile: A take on the D-backs trade, and other notes from the Rockies and the NL West
There are three ways to make an objective trade analysis: first, use a straight statistical projection for the players involved and accept the face value outcome of the numbers that it comes up with, second, look at it from a win-win viewpoint where the ideal outcome for all parties takes place, or third, look at it from a lose-lose viewpoint where the worst outcome for all parties takes place. Any analysis that veers away from these three is no longer objective and falls into the category of guesswork, even if it proves correct.
As far as the first way of looking at yesterday's big trade, by using the 2010 CHONE projections, the Diamondbacks receive 45 runs of value over replacement, the Tigers, 23, and the Yankees, 4. I'm not a math person, but I'm guessing that in future seasons projections would show the Tigers making up that ground on the Diamondbacks. The Snakes do seem to get the most present value from this trade.
Using a win-win-win analysis, the Tigers probably come out ahead given the promise of Austin Jackson and Max Scherzer (who could be two star players at peak value), which would trump that of Edwin Jackson and Ian Kennedy for the D-backs. This scenario still has the Yankees behind because the ideal peak value of their one player, Curtis Granderson, would not match the peak value of the pairs of players the other two teams received.
Finally, looking at it from a lose-lose-lose scenario, the Tigers come out ahead again, a realistic bust scenario for them still has them receiving some positive bullpen value from two of their three pitchers with a small monetary cost for their trouble. The Diamondbacks bust scenario would be negative to replacement production from Jackson and Kennedy, but positive value in the form of innings or alternatively total loss to injury with a moderate monetary loss. Again, this scenario has the Yankees as trailers, as they would be on the hook for Granderson's remaining salary if he is no longer able to perform at a major league level.
Now, I'm not going to say that all these analyses that we're seeing that suggest the D-backs screwed up are wrong, but I will say that they're subjective and based on biases the analysts have toward the players involved rather than a strictly objective reading. I will also say that I think the Yankees are getting too much benefit of the doubt here, call it East Coast bias or just the aura of championship team, but I don't see them getting enough benefit from this trade to justify the cost of the players they gave up.
Subjectively from a Rockies oriented view, starting pitching at the back of the rotation was the Diamondbacks biggest weakness going into the off season and the net gain of a starter at the expense of a reliever helps them quite a bit. At the very least, Jackson and Kennedy are going to be able to give them a healthy chunk more innings than Scherzer and Schlereth, which is a large boon. Given that Brandon Webb's recovering shoulder might not be ready for a traditional Webb workload, it might be more important than a lot of people realize. They still have depth issues, and they don't have a lot of money to rebuild their bullpen, but I remain in the camp that the Diamondbacks made themselves better for 2010 yesterday.
I also remain firm in my belief that they are nearing the end of their window of opportunity. Edwin Jackson is a two season acquisition, tops. Webb becomes a free agent after this season. The Diamondbacks only have one pitcher of prominence near the top of their prospect pipeline. The cost of maintaining the core of this team through arbitration will be too large for the market and ownership in two seasons, and the peak of their next core of players is still five or six seasons away. I think Arizona's front office won't admit it, but they do seem to be making moves as though they have to win now.
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The major Rockies news from yesterday has the team making strides to keep Yorvit Torrealba, but will look at Miguel Olivo or Josh Bard if a deal for Yorvit falls through. Olivo and Bard represent a downgrade from the quality of catchers the team has been rumored to be interested in prior to this, and show how the market for catching is drying up. It could see some additions on Friday, but it looks like the Rockies don't want to take that chance. I'm more of a gambler and inclined to wait it out, but I could see the team's line of view here.
Olivo and Torrealba also figure prominently in the San Francisco Giants search, but the team is reluctantly reconsidering giving their starting job to top prospect Buster Posey. As Matt Wieters showed in Baltimore last season, there's not always a smooth transition from AAA to the bigs for star catching prospects. The Giants are also facing the prospect of relying on Madison Bumgarner to fill out their rotation before they would prefer him to. Giants fans that have been feeding off the hype of their prospects for so long are excited about this, and eventually these two could be formidable opponents, but short term for 2010, I think this benefits the Rockies and Dodgers.
Bruce Levine says that the Cubs talked to the Rockies about our outfield depth, but it's not clear what came of that discussion. Given statements by Dan O'Dowd and other hints from published reports, I would guess our asking price is high enough to keep the Cubs looking elsewhere to fill their needs first.
Garrett Atkins mildly interests the Orioles, too mildly for them to give us anything for the likely non-tender candidate.
Careful wording by Dodgers brass has led some to speculate that the team might be facing a budget crunch in 2011 as a result of the McCourts' divorce. Ned Colletti has denied reports that he can only offer free agents one year deals, a rumor that circulated yesterday that would have certainly added to the pile of circumstantial evidence that's been suggesting that the Dodgers are facing some money issues. So far, Colletti's words and the team's actions don't quite add up, but I've said before that as a GM he's shown a propensity for waiting out the market, so this off season really has been consistent with his M.O. and I'm not going to count on a Dodger downfall just yet.
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So Chris "Mad Dog" Russo went on a rant last night about Matt Holliday
It went something like this. Holliday is a wuss for letting Boras lead him around, he is only chasing dollars because he’s willing to walk away from two contenders (Rockies and Cardinals), and Matt may end up on a crappy team if:
- Cardinals don’t sign him because they are already worn out dealing with Boras
- Red Sox sign Bay
- Yankees take a pass because they have Granderson and Damon
- Angels won’t deal with Boras because their GM hates him
Anyone buying this, and if so, would it create an opening for the Rockies?
Hot stove leads to panda porn
I would think the Giants would be in line ahead of the Rockies at that point,
and given our outfield depth already, I imagine several other teams, primarily the Mariners, would jump for him first.
Given this as the likely outcome in that scenario, I like that Russo implies that the Giants are a crappy team (along with the M’s), though I think all it really shows is Russo’s limitations when it comes to baseball IQ.
Giants are going to sign
someone like Beltre or Nick Johnson, I think.
Probably, but if Holliday wasn't getting strong offers elsewhere,
which is the hypothetical scenario that Russo is trying to suggest (I think reality says he still winds up with the Cards) than Boras would push him to the Giants ahead of Beltre. Boras has a hierarchy of his clients, he’ll take care of his big guys first and then work his way down.
Holliday in SF would make me real, real sad.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
I think any chance of getting Holliday died when we traded him to Oakland next year
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 9, 2009 9:19 AM MST up reply actions
Any mention of Mad Dog
is a good reason to post this.
(Make sure you listen to the second half)
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 9, 2009 9:21 AM MST up reply actions
Just finished reading last nights thread
Hilarious! Though now I feel like the little brother that always gets left behind when something fun happens :(
(Oh yeah, and the Tigers came out of that deal like bandits.)
Last night's thread was awesome.
I love the off-season.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
Off-season is the best.
I realize I’m alone in this sentiment.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
This isn't last night's game.
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So the correct response would be..
No, SlamDunkTheFunk, I believe that Opening Day is the best part of the year.
Would that be more appropriate?
False.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
Opening day is pretty awesome man
Hope got in my eyes
by Andrew Martin on Dec 9, 2009 10:50 AM MST up reply actions
Off-season Opening Day Rocktober is the best
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 9, 2009 9:24 AM MST up reply actions
of all the catchers on the market
he’s the most…interesting…one to offer $6M a year…
makes yorvit coming back more likely, i just hope it doesn’t affect his price (or his perception of what he can actually get)
This plus Pudge's deal
may do just that. Add interest from Giants, and Yorvit may be too expensive.
Hot stove leads to panda porn
Add a few million to each year while your at it too
Speed is overrated
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 9, 2009 9:27 AM MST up reply actions
Omar Minaya will have to watch Moneyball
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 9, 2009 9:28 AM MST up reply actions
Mass suicide
ensues in Queens. I’m the King of Queens!
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So you're Kevin James
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 9, 2009 9:27 AM MST up reply actions
That's the inferrence he was hoping you'd make
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 9, 2009 9:28 AM MST up reply actions
I'm never quite sure with Russ :-)
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 9, 2009 9:35 AM MST up reply actions
Make one little
reference to panda porn and it all snowballs after that. . . .
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There's nothing little about panda porn
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 9, 2009 9:41 AM MST up reply actions
Can you imagine some poor soul
googles Colorado Rockies and the first thing that comes up is panda porn
Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!
Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
I really wish I had not been so tired last night...cause I wanted to play
the thread game…but my level of competition would have been dismal
Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!
Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
I'm sure there will be more chances seeing it's the best game ever
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 9, 2009 9:45 AM MST up reply actions
This
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 9, 2009 9:45 AM MST up reply actions
Wooow.....
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
Well RMN
You may have underestimated the Mets. Looks like they waited a whole extra day to think about signing a stupid contract.
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 9, 2009 9:28 AM MST up reply actions
So if Mets sign Bengie...does that mean Torrey is back with us : :)
Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!
Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
The Giants are still players
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 9, 2009 9:37 AM MST up reply actions
grrrrrr :(
Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!
Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
SDCat, you must make a wonderful wife/girlfriend
Cos your loyalty is A+++ would remain loyal to again!!
by biondino on Dec 9, 2009 9:39 AM MST up reply actions 3 recs
thanks! lol
Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!
Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
BTW SDcat I'm jealous of your weather right now
Have no idea what it’s like in San Diego but it must be a million times nicer than here
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 9, 2009 9:52 AM MST up reply actions
Dont be too jealous. It rained harder than I've ever seen in 10 years on Monday
Its been overcast and crappy all week, supposed to rain again tomorrow. And for us, the temps have been cold. It snowed at Mt. Laguna which is about an hour away from me.
But it is not below freezing….:)
Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!
Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
Oh I can so trump that
Woke up this morning to snow coming down at 3 inches an hour, then it changed to some nasty mixture sleet, snow, freezing rain and regular rain which caused tree branches to start coming down. (ice ya know) I think in the last hour we have finally reached the magical temperature of 33 degrees.
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 9, 2009 10:04 AM MST up reply actions
yeah that trumps for sure...
Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!
Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
You're weather's not as good as I thought it would be though
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 9, 2009 10:08 AM MST up reply actions
Please let this happen.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
are you saying you do not want Torrey back?
Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!
Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
See
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 9, 2009 9:41 AM MST up reply actions
I'm not mad..lol
Just getting clarity
Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!
Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
Once you get clarity you won't be happy :-)
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 9, 2009 9:42 AM MST up reply actions
meh, its a Torrey thing...some people just don't get it...lol
Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!
Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
Yes.
I’m saying I’m over the Yorvit Torrealba Experience.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
okey dokey
/adds SDTF to questionable list
:)P
Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!
Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
ouch...lol funny stuff right there...
but I am not a communist nor a fascist…
Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!
Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
Ehhh.
After Brian Fuentes left, I no longer had any Rockies that drove me to rage. Torrealba was the closest thing and I’m a huge fan of Iannetta. We all have our guys. Hopefully we can agree that Tulo is the man ;D
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
Tulo transcends the human race
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 9, 2009 9:51 AM MST up reply actions
Agree on the Tulo point :)
Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!
Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
Excerrent.
Questionable list or not, if we bring Torrealba back I won’t say a bad word about it. How’s that for fair?
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
You can't anyway
Russ will ban you
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 9, 2009 9:53 AM MST up reply actions
That's been in the works
for a long, long, long time.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
The only ban
I’ve ever had in the works for a long, long, long time was for DBS, and I still plan on banning him again.
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Pfffffftttt.
If I hadn’t quit in-season threads for the most part, it would have happened. Purple Row has gotten WAY too populated with sensitive people that I wouldn’t be able to resist the trolling. It would have happened. Promise.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
Actually
I can very easily see it happening at MHH in the near future.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
Then you will have to hang out here
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 9, 2009 10:05 AM MST up reply actions
I'm only here for the Winter Meetings
unless any other big news drops. These Meetings are my jammy jam.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by A.J. Haefele on Dec 9, 2009 10:06 AM MST up reply actions
So you're like a limited time offer
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 9, 2009 10:09 AM MST up reply actions
Today and tomorrow.
and for today I’m probably out. I’ve been home from work for 3 hours and I need some sleep. This week has sucked and I’d love to dream it off.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by A.J. Haefele on Dec 9, 2009 10:10 AM MST up reply actions
speaking of MHH, and the AVS
I’m happy that I can watch the Avs on VS tonight! woot…but my cable company, which is generally superior to Comcast, fails to have VS-HD….but I guess its better than nothing :)
Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!
Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
Yaaaay.
Of course, I’ll miss the game tonight. I typically try to miss most of the Wild games because of my love for the Houston Aeros, their AHL affiliate.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by A.J. Haefele on Dec 9, 2009 10:08 AM MST up reply actions
The Wild and Avs have a bit of a rivalry these days
and gosh, those Wild unis , Christmas all season long!
Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!
Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
LOL
The rivalry is cool and all but with guys from the Aeros constantly showing up on the ice I don’t have the same hatred for them. I enjoyed John Scott pounding the hell out of Koci last time around. It was fun. I miss rooting for Big John =(
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by A.J. Haefele on Dec 9, 2009 10:15 AM MST up reply actions
Every time...
I hear people sing songs of love for hockey, it’s about the fighting. Nobody comes over all joyous about the skating or the passing of the puck or the goals. It’s the fighting. I hear the denials but they’re weak. Hence my conclusion the hockey is not is sport in the classic sense but an excuse to see some fighting.
I don't really care that much about the fighting
I like it sometimes, but I’d prefer to see the actual game
Hope got in my eyes
by Andrew Martin on Dec 9, 2009 1:03 PM MST up reply actions
OH NO YOU DIN'T
Hockey is a thing of beauty. These are serious athletes…
Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!
Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
Football is way, way
more violent than hockey
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 9, 2009 3:21 PM MST up reply actions
absolutely..
Although one of my favorite jokes is..
I went to a boxing match and a hockey game broke out :)
Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!
Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
Beggers can't be choosers
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 9, 2009 10:10 AM MST up reply actions
indeed
Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!
Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
hey, funny thing just as I was griping that VS was not on HD
I turned on my TV and lo and behold they added VS HD WOOT!!!!
Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!
Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
Hockey is amazing HD
The difference is even bigger than other sports.
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 9, 2009 4:12 PM MST up reply actions
please do
I’ll warn you when it’s too much
I need cynicism

Hope got in my eyes
by Andrew Martin on Dec 9, 2009 10:53 AM MST up reply actions
You already have banned him
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 9, 2009 9:58 AM MST up reply actions
And plan to again.
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I was teasing on the questionable list btw...:)
Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!
Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
Oh.
I still won’t say anything bad, just to be safe =)
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by A.J. Haefele on Dec 9, 2009 10:00 AM MST up reply actions
Hey I love a great debate...so long as it doesn't get personal :)
Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!
Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
No reason for a debate
about players on a sports team to ever get personal. When it reaches that level, you aren’t debating anymore. You’re being an idiot. I love a good debate as much as the next internetter but I won’t have any new/fresh arguments. I trust O’Dowd not to overpay the guy so I likely won’t have anything to complain about.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by A.J. Haefele on Dec 9, 2009 10:03 AM MST up reply actions
You're ganna make SDcat mad
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 9, 2009 9:40 AM MST up reply actions
Good question biondino
Love the new new sig Rawktober
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 9, 2009 9:47 AM MST up reply actions
awesome catch on the sig...I hadn't noticed
maybe men are just more in tune to immediately locate the word porn
Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!
Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
I didn't notice it either for what it's worth
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 9, 2009 9:54 AM MST up reply actions
Okay then it was the word panda that got you ;)
Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!
Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
Nope
Didn’t notice anything until biondino pointed it out.
That’s my story and I’m sticking to it :-)
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 9, 2009 9:56 AM MST up reply actions
You count for 8,623
(the number of comments you’ve made) That’s more than most
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 9, 2009 2:28 PM MST up reply actions
Will Carroll says that Aneury Rodriguez is the "prize of the Rule 5" draft
Rodriguez, for those that don’t know remember or know is the pitcher we dealt to the Rays for Jason Hammel. Now it looks pretty certain they are going to lose him.
To the Yankees with the first pick.
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actually, I'm hearing they are targeting Arquimedes Caminero if they keep that pick
But somebody will pick Rodriguez.
That's an awesome name.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
I just can't wait until Sequiouah Stonecypher and Michael Monster make the majors.
The prize names from last year’s draft.
by Greg Stanwood on Dec 9, 2009 10:25 AM MST up reply actions
Steve Henson
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It's not very likely,
Their pick comes too late to be of much value as they anticipate the players they have a little interest in to already be gone. They don’t really see a good fit as it is.
The real question is,
Will any team select Omar Quintanilla?
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It might not be that far fetched that they do.
I should have mentioned him as well. Some teams have really crappy backup infield options.
Also, Scott Proctor.
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If you mean picks from the Rockies organization,
I would guess Andrew Johnston or Daniel Mayora may be most likely.
Mets talking with Lackey
Heyman suggests Minaya wants to sign one of the big three, the other two being Bay and Holliday
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 9, 2009 9:46 AM MST reply actions
hey beat you!! :P
Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!
Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
Not on my thread
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 9, 2009 9:48 AM MST up reply actions
Hmm
It was close. I appear first on mine. Plus I didn’t copy paste :-P
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 9, 2009 9:48 AM MST up reply actions
lol why reinvent the wheel
when copy paste works so well!
Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!
Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
Jon Heyman tweets on Mets
SI_JonHeyman:
purse strings opening for Omar? #mets are talking to lackey, holliday and bay with renewed hopes to sign 1 of big 3. molina also.
Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!
Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
Mets also in on Wolf, according to David Lennon,
despite the rumors that he’s near an agreement with Milwaukee.
Looks like Omar is busy today
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 9, 2009 9:55 AM MST up reply actions
Looks like Omar is busycrazy again today
Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!
Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
Looks like Omar is busycrazy again today is just being himself
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 9, 2009 10:07 AM MST up reply actions
win
Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!
Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
Winter meetings thread is up
Lets shoot for 1300 comments today
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 9, 2009 10:11 AM MST reply actions
swwwiiitching.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by A.J. Haefele on Dec 9, 2009 10:12 AM MST up reply actions
Going to take a lot more off topic insanity.
by Greg Stanwood on Dec 9, 2009 10:32 AM MST up reply actions
Far more than done
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 10, 2009 8:32 AM MST up reply actions
Dodgers downfall??
why would you expect a downfall, Rox? The core is still intact. They are in a better spot at this point in the 2009 offseason than they were in the 2008 offseason. Last year they needed 2 starting pitchers, Manny, Raffy and Blake….this year they need 2 starting pitchers, and their bullpen is set….and probably the best in the NL.
raygu
Kuroda at #3?
Dude had better have seriously sorted out whatever was eating him at the end of the season.
Kuroda
guess you forget the line drive off his noggin
raygu
by Ray Guilfoyle on Dec 9, 2009 12:10 PM MST up reply actions
Errr....
yeah…. sorry ’bout that.
How is Tiger Woods like a baby seal?
They both get clubbed by Scandinavians.
It was a Diamondback (Rusty Ryal) that hit it
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 11, 2009 3:58 PM MST up reply actions
Again, what I said was
“I’m not counting on a Dodgers downfall just yet.” And that yet was conditional on the preceding paragraph, i.e. that the Dodgers money woes weaken the team severely. So hopefully, once again, you understand I’m not seeing nor expecting a downfall in 2010, but were it to happen it would happen in the starting rotation and the production from the left side not living up to your expectations.
Olivo
Not being much of a Royals fan I was not very familiar with Miguel Olivo, but a quick trip to baseball-reference.com showed the guy has power (23 big flies in ‘09 and averaged 14.5 HR the three previous years), strikes out too often and rarely walks, but throws out a decent percentage of baserunners (about 28%). So what’s not to like if YT continues playing his high-stakes game and signs elsewhere? Sounds like Olivo could be an okay backup in the absence of YT. I like and respect YT for what he did last year, especially late, but he’s the the be all end all of second-stringer catchers.
We could grow to like Olivo, no?
Comments anyone?
by Curt in Florida on Dec 9, 2009 12:22 PM MST reply actions
NOT the be all end all
Typo in the clutch
by Curt in Florida on Dec 9, 2009 12:23 PM MST reply actions
Rg, youre overstating the benefit Arizona gets from the trade
Jackson and scherzer switch places, but Of course it weighs in their favor when trading a reliever for a starter. But you can’t isolate just the players in the trade to see the benefit. The actual benefit would be projected WAR of Kennedy minus whoever would have otherwise been the fifth starter, then the difference between schlereth and whoever replaces schlereth in the pen. It would work the same if hawpe is traded for a reliever. The OF depth would minimize the loss of hawpe and the reliever would help, even though hawpe would be projected as more valuable. I’m not saying Arizona didn’t benefit from the trade this year – they did. But just not as much as the numbers you stated
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
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