Friday Rockpile: As the clock winds down
Yes, it's almost time. It's just a day away. Pitchers and catchers for the Rockies report tomorrow! And shortly after that our guys will be playing in exhibition games. And then real games. Who isn't excited right about now?
Tracy Ringolsby previews the roster:
- Catchers: Chris Iannetta is good and only getting better, though Torrealba is still there. If both go down, well, let's not think about it. (Russ adds: Iannetta going down is scary enough, so let's not think about that).
- Infield: The Rockies have good depth, but they really need Todd Helton to show some of his old self out there. (Russ adds: When did Hurdle give that quote about Stewart working some drills at second?)
- Outfield: The outfield is still a positive for the Rockies but without a standout. Spilborghs will be displaced once Fowler is ready for a move to Denver.
- Starting Pitching: The Rockies need big years out of Ubaldo Jimenez and Jorge De La Rosa. Good thing there's depth for that fifth spot in the rotation. (Russ adds: Let's not see the fifth spot become a revolving door.)
- Bullpen: The bullpen can be very strong for the Rockies.
Troy Renck looks at Chris Iannetta, our very special boy. Apparently, Hurdle might have Torrealba start the season opener as a result of Iannetta's venture in the World Baseball Classic. Torrealba might show some grit out there, leading Hurdle to. . . .
Larry Walker will be inducted into the Canadian Baseball Hall of Fame on June 20. Congratulations!
Oklahoma State lefty Andy Oliver, a potential high first-round pick, had his former advisers in the room when attempting to negotiate a contract with the Twins when he was drafted in 2006. No deal happened and he went to Oklahoma State. Last spring, this was discovered and Oliver was suspended. Yesterday, a judge overruled Oliver's suspension and struck down an NCAA rule:
Erie County judge Tyge M. Tone ruled that the NCAA cannot restrict a player’s right to have legal representation when negotiating a professional contract and awarded an injunction to restore Oliver’s eligibility. The decision invalidated the NCAA’s "no agent" and "restitution" rules.
There goes a stupid NCAA rule (if it isn't overturned by a higher court).
Thomas Harding now blogs at Hardball in the Rockies.
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WHAT IS THIS
“After ’07, nobody wanted anybody but Yorvit to catch”
I DIDN’T
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When you have space in the locker room
Hurdle might start including you as his contrarian.
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when I have space?
I understood the rest
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by Andrew Martin on Feb 13, 2009 8:37 AM MST up reply actions
Also I've taken over your Rockpile thread
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by Andrew Martin on Feb 13, 2009 9:16 AM MST up reply actions
That's
a very DbacksSkins thing to do. I approve.
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by DbacksSkins on Feb 13, 2009 12:18 PM MST up reply actions
hrm
Iannetta is the first complete catcher the Rockies have had, and he should get better
*COUGH*benpetrick*COUGH*
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by Andrew Martin on Feb 13, 2009 10:24 AM MST up reply actions
He was supposed to be
"Winning doesn't really matter as long as you win." - Vinny Jones
by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 13, 2009 11:22 AM MST up reply actions
I didn't either
September of 07 was enough for me to want OVSB to catch.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 13, 2009 11:09 AM MST up reply actions
I had another baseball/opening day dream
This one wasn’t good. It actually had results.
Cookie got tagged for 6, Rockies lose 1-6.
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Who's your opening day opponent this year?
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by DbacksSkins on Feb 13, 2009 12:17 PM MST up reply actions
Home opener is Philly
Season opener you shut the hell up
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by Andrew Martin on Feb 13, 2009 12:27 PM MST up reply actions
Whoa....
I just checked the schedule — I honestly had no idea.
Doesn’t it seem like we play each other opening day EVERY year??
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Almost....
1998 1st series, Col@AZ
2003 2nd series, AZ@Col
2004 1st series, Col@AZ
2005 3rd series, Col@AZ
2006 1st series, AZ@Col
2007 1st series, AZ@Col
2008 2nd series, AZ@Col
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Sometimes, I suspect that MLB
is really, really, REALLY trying to turn this into a legit rivalry.
….And then I start worrying about the black helicopters too. And put on my tinfoil hat.
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I learned to stop worrying and love the black helicopters.
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But, c'mon, Russ! You're missing out on the latest fashion!!

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by DbacksSkins on Feb 13, 2009 11:34 PM MST up reply actions
I also had a dream about the Rockies
but it wasn’t opening day, it was game 1 of the world series. The Yankees had just beaten the Red Sox in the ALCS. I can’t remember specifically who the Rockies beat in the NLCS, but I want to say the Reds or the Phillies. The game was happening in Denver, but it didn’t look like Coors Field because, at the same time the game was being played, a NASCAR truck race was happening on the same field. I was making my way to my seat when I noticed an explosion somewhere out in the city. Then another explosion. Apparently, Denver was being shelled but nobody in the stadium really cared—including me. I was too happy because the Rockies were winning.
Then I had another dream, but it wasn’t about baseball. I was re-trying a DUI-D case I had lost this summer. Somehow, the defense attorney was former president Bill Clinton, and I was mopping the floor with him. I had just barbecued the defendant on cross examination, and closing arguments were about to begin when I woke up.
Aut Vincam Aut Periam
by PioneerSkies on Feb 13, 2009 2:00 PM MST up reply actions
I like how
you provided a picture of Bill Clinton, in case we weren’t sure which former president Bill Clinton you were talking about.
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I'm gonna keep on commenting on everything
I’m so torn on Iannetta playing in the WBC. I’m going to Toronto to see it, so I want to see an Iannetta/McCann tandem (Oh man I just started drooling) but at the same time, I want him working out with the team and the pitching staff so Hurdle doesn’t get his wish of starting his favorites and not the better players.
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I'm still afraid
that Hurdle finds some way to limit Iannetta’s playing time the first couple of weeks of the season as some kind of punishment for playing in the WBC.
I do have a little bit of hope that Jim Tracy slaps Hurdle around for even thinking about the potential of playing Yorvit over CDI.
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by BlakeBomber on Feb 13, 2009 10:50 AM MST up reply actions
I really think Iannetta should be in ST instead of at the WBC.
I understand it’s a great honor but his bread and butter is with the Rockies. He needs to be in ST working with the pitching staff.
Spilborghs/Smith/Dex/Hawpe/Murton/Bichette/Burks/....
Ok maybe not the last 2
But seriously, when Dex is ready to hit the majors, it’s the kind of thing where we pretty much have to give it to him so he can acclimate. You can’t really part-time your way into being the starter in CF (unless you’re Ryan Spilborghs).
So when Dex comes up, who becomes the 4th OF? I mean, ideally, Atkins is gone at this point. At the very least, we have Dex and Hawpe and then Spills and Smith. When Helton is down, Hawpe plays 1B and we have Smith-Dex-Spills. But I’m doubting Hurdle will make that move (as Hawpe going from RF to 1B regularly won’t be good either) so it’ll end up Bake is the backup 1B, or JoeKo. That leaves only 1 spot for 2 batters who could be awesome, in Smith and Spilborghs. I guess it’ll depend on who’s hotter.
It’s good to have competition for positions, but I don’t like Hurdle’s style of playing everyone. If you have a lot of good bench talent, good, do it, but you don’t give Scotty Pods 23 starts just because he’s there. I mean, in Pods’ defense, he did OPS .875 in April and had an OBP better than .400, so I can see the rationale in giving him those 23 starts, but in general, play your best players
The way I see it:
Best C: Iannetta.
C who will get more playing time than they should: Torrealba – and I’ll set this one aside, as the whole “Coors Fatigue” thing is kind of real
Best 1B: Helton
1B who gets too much: Baker
Best 2B: Orlando Hudson
2B who will play: Barmes, Baker – ok that’s a bit tongue in cheek but I’ll stand by it anyway
Best SS: Tulo
Only SS: Tulo
Best 3B: Stewart
Inning Stealer: Garrett Atkins
Best OF: Spilborghs, Smith, (I shudder to say this) Hawpe
OF who shouldn’t: Podsednik, Baker, possibly Murton (although we talked about the LHP Platoon), Stewart (and just because he’s out of position)
Here’s another thought – make Iannetta the new Victor Martinez. Have Iannetta catch 100ish games, and then be the starter when Helton is benched. That way we can rationalize having him bat 5th and not the whole “losing games in the heart of the lineupblablahblah” thing
I had some other musings, which may be redundant or already stated on here, but check out Rockies Magic Number <=pimping my own blog
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You hit on a major point!
I always worry about Hurdle playing inferior players too much, and the superior players not enough. It has sort of been his MO since taking over in 2002.
Hurdle was a 25th guy as a player, and seems to have a special affinity for them. Thus, you see guys like Norton, Relaford, Hocking, Mabry, Finley, etc. etc. etc. get waaaay too many starts to “keep them fresh”. He suboptimzes the starting lineup, batting order, and his own chewing gum. At least Clint no longer bounces that ball in the dugout.
I really worry about CDI as I don’t trust Hurdle to give him enough starts. There is NO reason, NONE, that should prevent Iannetta from getting as many plate appearances as the best catchers in the game. Barring injury, CDI should get to the plate as much as Martin, McCann, Mauer, etc. That means he should get AT LEAST 550 plate appearances. With Hurdle managing? My bet is he doesn’t crack 450.
And that would be a shame.
And that's something that could be opened for debate
I’m not siding one way or another, but is the Coors Field Catcher Fatigue a real thing?
Also, IIRC, Relaford’s playing time was more a cause of injuries, wasn’t it? We had this weird platoon of Relaford, Miles, Gonzalez and Garabito, and I think eventually Quintanilla. Ok maybe it was just Hurdle being stupid.
If you have bench guys like Seth Smith and Ryan Spilborghs, you absolutely keep them fresh. But Scott Podsednik? He’s a PR. Don’t overstate that.
Thing is, the bench players are gonna get a lot of playing time this season, like it or not. Just about everyone was hurt last year, and there ain’t no way they’re gonna overwork players coming off an injured season.
I’m glad the guys spelling the starters are Murton and Baker, although I’d rather have Barmes spelling people too :grumpy:
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by Andrew Martin on Feb 13, 2009 10:10 AM MST up reply actions
Ringolsby
Murton provides a quality platoon possibility for Smith, and Podsednik is a perfect backup for Spilborghs. Spilborghs is just keeping the position warm until Fowler shows he is ready to make the big-league jump.
Seriously is he reading over our shoulder? HI TRACY! :waves:
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by Andrew Martin on Feb 13, 2009 10:34 AM MST up reply actions
You just replied to your own comment
Talk about hijacking the Rockpile thread.
Also, HI TRACY!
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by BlakeBomber on Feb 13, 2009 10:56 AM MST up reply actions
yeah i was on a roll this morning
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by Andrew Martin on Feb 13, 2009 11:48 AM MST up reply actions
Tomorrow?!
Seriously?
Weird…I have just apparently been stuck in a bubble over here in NYC. “Spring” and “summer”, long days in the sun with baseball…they both seem so far away they could be on Pluto. I have a LOT of work to do before then…
But that’s not Rockies related. I don’t really have anything insightful to say on all this roster stuff, and as much I would like to wow you all with my creative brainpower, I think I used it up sometime this week on a paper…
Hurdle
If the Monfort’s were smart, they would replace Hurdle with a college of coaches idea, taking different writers/posters from this forum and rotate them as managers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_of_Coaches
I like Hurdle. In my opinion, the most important attribute for a manager is to get the most out of his players. I think Hurdle does this well above average.
Not that he doesn’t drive me crazy too. I did not like any line-up that had Taveras leading off. I think all managers bunt too often, and Hurdle bunts way too often.
I also know that the grass is always greener when it comes to managers. If Hurdle is fired, some other retread will come in and take his place and bunt too often.
The Rockies would lose continuity then. Hurdle did a good job to a very good job when the team was awful and full of kids. He also got the team to the World Series.
As much as Hurdle makes mathmatical errors as a manager, he still has the players playing their best, and willing to do anything for him. That is better than a lot of other managers. It would be great if his managing errors could be cut down.
I have absolutely no idea what you just said
You raised a lot of good points, and I "mmhmm"’d and nodded to them…and then realized that you just simultaneously took both sides of the argument.
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by Andrew Martin on Feb 13, 2009 11:36 AM MST up reply actions
I don't agree
I like Hurdle. In my opinion, the most important attribute for a manager is to get the most out of his players. I think Hurdle does this well above average.
I’m not so sure there are many people who feel that Hurdle get’s the most out of his players. In fact, I think a lot of people feel he tends to get less out of the talent he has been given. I will refer you to a post by Poseidon’s Fist about Hurdle for a great graph on the teams actual performance vs Bill James’ Pythagorean expected win percentage. I think this graph does a great job underscoring Hurdle’s inability to get the most out of his players. (Props to Poseidon’s work on that post)
However the bottom line is staggering, he’s the fifth longest tenured manager in baseball and he’s never won a division title and has had only one winning season. A different manager might seem like the grass is greener on the other side, but unless the Rockies come out of the gates hot in 2009, it’s time to give someone else a shot to lead the team to success.
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by BlakeBomber on Feb 13, 2009 11:48 AM MST up reply actions
let's go jim tracy
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by Andrew Martin on Feb 13, 2009 11:52 AM MST up reply actions
Don Baylor.
How do you prevent the opposing pitcher from tearing you superfluous new be-hind while he is on the mound? Simple: Swing a bat....and if that don't work, swing more bat!
by The Lodo Magic Man on Feb 13, 2009 12:04 PM MST up reply actions
Considering Jim Tracy's track record
I’m saying Baylor.
Blast and botheration.
by Silverblood on Feb 13, 2009 12:58 PM MST up reply actions
Baylor's track record isn't really better
And he hasn’t ever really know how to handle a pitching staff.
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by Andrew Martin on Feb 13, 2009 1:04 PM MST up reply actions
True
But Tracy wasn’t exactly a groundbreaker with the Pirates and/or Dodgers. So in short, I’m not too certain that either of our contingency plans are much better, even if Hurdle does by some miracle get sacked.
Blast and botheration.
Tracy's out of LA
IT’s no NY, but it’s still a big market. Especially with Bill Plaschke breathing down your neck.
Denver has done wonders for a lot of baseball people’s careers, maybe it could for his, too.
Of course, both of our stances are based around heresay and happenstance.
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by Andrew Martin on Feb 13, 2009 1:10 PM MST up reply actions
Denver has done wonders for a lot of baseball people’s careers, maybe it could for his, too.
O Mike Hampton, where art thou?
/ducks
Blast and botheration.
Baylor or Tracy
That is my point. I am sure they both bunt too much. I would much rather have Hurdle than Lou Pinella.
Don Baylor will be the same type of manager as Hurdle.
I like Joe Maddon. I have also been a big fan of baseball for 40 years. Most managerial changes don’t work. It is easy to watch a guy like Hurdle and pick him apart. The problem is the next guy will usually do the same thing.
The players are really motivated behind Hurdle. It was great when he came over Buddy Bell. Hurdle still has the energy needed. As far as I am concerned his biggest problem was Taveras, and he is gone.
On the other hand the Rockies could do worse. At one time they solved this problem for good when they got Jim Leyland.
It is so easy to watch a baseball game and be critical of the manager. That is in part the nature of the game. One of the worst strategy managers I have ever seen was Tommy Lasorda, who got the absolute most out of his players.
I say keep Hurdle, and sign him for another 2 years.
As a Dodger fan I second this. Please hire him.
You’ll get a nice dose of “Tracyball”.
by Brendan Scolari on Feb 13, 2009 7:20 PM MST up reply actions
He is the Bench Coach.
Baylor is the new hitting coach.
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
JFK
Sorry, I meant make him the manager.
But having him on your coaching staff is a good start.
by Brendan Scolari on Feb 13, 2009 9:43 PM MST up reply actions
Just noticed the props and plug
Thanks
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 14, 2009 1:36 PM MST up reply actions
I must remark
When I heard that the Very Special Boy was playing in the WBC, the FIRST thing I said was, “Oh brother, Hurdle’s going to use this as an excuse to give Yorvit the job again.”
Blast and botheration.
What is this "Very Special Boy" nonsense?
I know its Iannetta but why?
by Brendan Scolari on Feb 13, 2009 7:22 PM MST up reply actions
It comes
from an article RockiesMagicNumber wrote a few weeks back.
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I was reading Achewood
and it seemed like the thing to do

I wanted to ‘shop Iannetta’s face onto Philippe’s body, but I didn’t for some reason.
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by Andrew Martin on Feb 13, 2009 9:55 PM MST up reply actions
LOL
Well at least its a good reason.
by Brendan Scolari on Feb 13, 2009 11:13 PM MST up reply actions
Troy Renck looks at Chris Iannetta,
our very special boy. Apparently, Hurdle might have Torrealba start the season opener as a result of Iannetta’s venture in the World Baseball Classic. Torrealba might show some grit out there, leading Hurdle to. . . .
NO! Don’t you dare suggest that! Clint knows full well that it doesn’t make a lick of sense to start your inferior catcher because you have a spat with your superior one. Right? …right?
Hold me…
Classless move
by Hurdle to even let this backhanded threat get out into the media. CDI needs to go into the WBC with the possibility of losing his starting job hanging over his head? Nice move Clint. Nothing like screwing up a once in a lifetime chance for Chris, but we haven’t forgotten that this isn’t the first time. Clint, remember how you didn’t give him an at bat in Boston during the season, then proceeded to keep him on the bench for the entire World Series?
Clint, get that bug out of your butt and play your best catcher on opening day.
Seriously
Did CDI run over Hurdle’s dog in a previous life or what?
I don't think it's an agenda against Iannetta
it’s an odd affinity for Yorvit.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 13, 2009 10:27 PM MST up reply actions
Tracy
Agree with RockiesMagicNumber..Go Jim Tracy. He has a lot of baseball left in him, and he’s a fine addition to a staff that’s stalled.
You guys really want Tracy?
He’s awful.
by Brendan Scolari on Feb 13, 2009 7:23 PM MST up reply actions
"Clueless Joe"?
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I much prefer Torre over Tracy.
No contest.
by Brendan Scolari on Feb 13, 2009 8:22 PM MST up reply actions
Torre is a big spotlight manager
and good at keeping a lot of big personalities at bay
Tracy is more of a young players’ manager, or so I’ve heard.
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by Andrew Martin on Feb 13, 2009 9:58 PM MST up reply actions
You would have thought
he’d have had more success in Pittsburgh, then.
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by DbacksSkins on Feb 13, 2009 11:09 PM MST up reply actions
No
Success.
Pittsburgh.
See the periods after each word?
The two words aren’t allowed to even be in the same sentence together.
Except in the NFL
or MLB in the early years
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 14, 2009 8:02 AM MST up reply actions
I think there might be
An issue of Talented Youth vs just Youth. Yeah, there’s some good players with Pitts, but Andrew McCutchen isn’t up quite yet.
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by Andrew Martin on Feb 14, 2009 9:21 AM MST up reply actions
Tracy is more of a fool's manager
keeping the Joe Morgan types at bay. He’s an idiot, in my opinon. Not that Torre is a shining beacon of light himself, but at least he’s decent.
by Brendan Scolari on Feb 13, 2009 11:18 PM MST up reply actions
You've made that pretty clear
And just so we know what we might be getting ourselves into, why?
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by Andrew Martin on Feb 14, 2009 9:20 AM MST up reply actions
Hmm, well there's a few reasons.
http://beliketike.com/2007/10/02/four-reasons-jim-tracy-should-be-fired/
Here’s an article asking for Tracy to be fired in Pittsburgh. I think the key point is number two. He has an assinine addiction to small ball and making some decisions seemingly by pivking out of a hat. There was very little logic involved in who he put in for relief or to pinch hit. He also was clueless when it came to lineup construction, trusting his “gut” more than anything else. Of course that means ignoring OBP to have speed and “good at bats” at the top of the lineup. Here’s a couple of FJM articles that make fun of Tracy:
http://www.firejoemorgan.com/2007/04/i-know-im-going-to-make-fun-of-someone.html
Not exactly a fair article but it shows his philosophy. Anyway, I guess its hard to really show you, but I just don’t think he’s a good manager at all, and I don’t think you’ll find many people in LA or Pittsburgh who disagree with me. Maybe he can change, but I know I would be very happy if the Rox hired him to be the manager.
by Brendan Scolari on Feb 15, 2009 9:50 AM MST up reply actions
I love me some FJM
Jason Bay: possibly replacing Freddy Sanchez as FJM’s new favorite non-Red Sox.
Whoops
Anyhow, 2 things. 1 thanks for linking some info and 2. thanks for clicking the “open in new window” box. We are now on good terms.
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by Andrew Martin on Feb 15, 2009 2:53 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah they missed that one
New Window?
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