Could Roy Halladay be traded?

Jays GM J.P. Ricciardi said earlier this offseason that such a move would be the "wrong message to our fans." However, the Jays are decidedly no better than fourth in their division, and Ricciardi has apparently changed his stance. Wouldn't Roy look good in purple?

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I'd love Halladay

but who would you move for him? Chacin? Fowler? Hynick? 2 of the 3? Stewart? It’d be a great move for Colorado, but how much would we be giving up?

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by Andrew Martin on Feb 16, 2009 1:09 PM MST reply actions

I am not close to an expert on building trades

But I would not be opposed to giving up a SP prospect like Hynick. Whether I’d be pro-moving Stewart would largely depend on how Atkins rebounds to start 09.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 16, 2009 1:18 PM MST up reply actions

I'm really just throwing names out

out of our Prized Posessions, who are we willing to part with for a pitcher of Halladay’s caliber.

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by Andrew Martin on Feb 16, 2009 1:42 PM MST up reply actions

I wouldn't use Chacin...too excited for him

Maybe Morales or Hynick. Or both. We have a lot of minor league SP talent

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 17, 2009 10:26 AM MST up reply actions

Good move for you guys.

I have to think that Halladay, as more of a ground ball pitcher, would be solid at Coors.

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by DbacksSkins on Feb 16, 2009 1:11 PM MST reply actions

He grew up in Colorado

So he should know how to pitch at altitude.

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by BlakeBomber on Feb 16, 2009 1:13 PM MST up reply actions

Around the trade deadline, I was pimping these talks pretty hard

If we got Hallday, I don’t see how that doesn’t put us as favorites in the division.

This is gonna come down to an issue of establishing value based on age and overvaluing prospects.

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by Andrew Martin on Feb 16, 2009 1:15 PM MST reply actions

Any idea on Halladay's contract status?

I would think if he’s signed through, say, 2012 or so, you’d have to consider giving up something like Hynick + Stewart, for the benefit of a top pitcher under contractual control for 3-4 years.

I’m not trying to suggest that’s the right offer to make, but I think it would take at least that much to get him, if not something like Morales/Hynick, or even Chacin/Hynick.

But if he’s only signed through 2009, there’s no reason to give up the farm to get him, because even if the West is winnable, it’s so easily losable that it’s not worth giving up the future rotation for a one year iffy shot.

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by Mondogarage on Feb 16, 2009 1:49 PM MST reply actions

Just a guess,

but I would think if he were signed through 2012, there’d be no way he’d be available for trade, short of external circumstances. (Like Peavy and the Padres)

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by DbacksSkins on Feb 16, 2009 1:55 PM MST up reply actions

contract

Halladay is signed at a reasonable $14.25MM this year and $15.75MM for ‘10. Ricciardi also said the Jays could attempt to extend Halladay’s contract this spring.

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by Andrew Martin on Feb 16, 2009 1:58 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs

So then the question is...

….would the Monforts be willing to add a net $20million to the payroll from 2008 to 2009?

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 16, 2009 6:17 PM MST up reply actions

When you consider how many wins he would add

I’d hope they can see the writing.

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by Andrew Martin on Feb 16, 2009 11:39 PM MST up reply actions

Troy Renck's take from today's chat

“It would take quite a haul. Ian Stewart would almost certainly be involved. I can’t see the Rockies giving up Chacin. I talked with Ricciardi this winter and he called Halladay the face of the Blue Jays. To even consider moving him reflects the team’s economic woes. They didn’t sign a single free agent to a major league contract. Their one signing was Kevin Millar. Halladay isa game-changer. If he’s out there, the Rockies need to make a strong push to bring hom the local kid”

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 17, 2009 1:11 PM MST reply actions

psssst

you’re a dork

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by Andrew Martin on Feb 17, 2009 2:03 PM MST up reply actions

Shh

These people don’t know that yet…. Props for the multiple plugs. We should have mentioned our Nickname experiment. We could totally have used them to promote them

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 17, 2009 2:50 PM MST up reply actions

So who would y'all be ok trading to get Halladay?

Stewart, Fowler, Chacin??? Someone else? What’s the limit?

by pedalpusher on Feb 17, 2009 7:33 PM MST up reply actions

I wouldn't go as far as...

Fowler and Chacin.

Depending on how you rate priorities, I suppose my upper limit would be Fowler and any one other on the list not named Chacin, though I’d really hate to give up Dex. I just think CarGo’s still enough of a long term possibility to be willing to make the deal. But I wouldn’t be truly comfortable unless I was sure we could get at least one more year of Halladay.

Probably wouldn’t even go as far as Hynick and Chacin, when you consider Halladay is only signed through 2010. But just about any other two player combination between Hynick, Stewart, CarGo, EYJr, and Morales would work.

I’d obviously do Chacin straight up, but that’s a non-starter with the Jays, for obvious reasons.

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by Mondogarage on Feb 17, 2009 7:54 PM MST up reply actions

Renck said

today that he wouldn’t imagine Chacin would be available, but that we’d have to trade “a haul”…and that starts with Stewart.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 17, 2009 8:28 PM MST up reply actions

I'd hate to lose Shades

But if it would net Halladay, I’d learn to live with it.

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by rockhead on Feb 18, 2009 3:16 PM MST up reply actions

I'd move Morales

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by Andrew Martin on Feb 17, 2009 11:20 PM MST up reply actions

Me too

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 17, 2009 11:52 PM MST up reply actions

Not to be offensive but Halladay whos 32 would want to go to a team in a position to win.
So why would he move from Toronto to Colorado…especially when you put a mediocore team such as Toronto in the weak NL West they’d have every chance to win the division.
Halladay needs/and deserves to be on a winning team he was probably the best pitcher in baseball last season.

by Ohpityme on Feb 21, 2009 9:18 AM MST reply actions

Well you can't put Toronto in the NL West, so that's not an option

Toronto is one of 7 teams not to make the playoffs since Clint Hurdle took over in 2002. In fact, their last playoff appearance was the Rockies first year of existence in 1993. They are currently looking up in their division at three strong teams that don’t figure to fall back any time soon, and the Rockies (who are 18 months from the WS) are in a very winnable division. It would be a big upgrade to come to for him Colorado.

If you’re using the playoffs as a measuring stick of winning, there are few teams that bury Halladay’s chances like the Jays, even if they were above 500. Doc is also from Colorado, so home comfort is something else to add. Does he even have a complete no trade clause?

And he won’t turn 32 until 1/3 of his starts in 09 are complete, not that it matters greatly

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 21, 2009 12:15 PM MST up reply actions

Not to be offensive but Halladay whos 32 would want to go to a team in a position to win.

Rockies were in the World Series less than 2 years ago….

especially when you put a mediocore team such as Toronto in the weak NL West they’d have every chance to win the division.

Three issues with this statement:
1. The Blue Jays are an AL team.
2. Toronto is appproximately 1,508.52 miles from the nearest NL West city. (Denver)
3. The Blue Jays kinda…. um… how do I say this with sensitivity? “Suck”.

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by DbacksSkins on Feb 21, 2009 1:23 PM MST up reply actions

Not true

There’s a lot of good talent there, and yes, if they were in a worse division, they’d perform better.

But that’s not really fair to the other teams in baseball. You put any team in baseball in some magical “worse division” and they play better.

As it stands, Rios, Snider, Chops, Litsch, Marcum, Carlson, League – all very good talent, and had a good season last year.

Problem is Tampa is in a much stronger “continued success” point than the Jays are. Or, Rays > Jays. I’m clever.

Timing and luck have a lot to do with a baseball team’s success. Who has their breakout year, and more importantly, who ELSE is having their breakout year? The Jays just had guys slump and break out at all the wrong times in the past several years.

Oh, and Vernon Wells’ contract isn’t an arbitross at all.

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by Andrew Martin on Feb 22, 2009 4:07 PM MST up reply actions

Point of that was

The Jays SHOULD trade Halladay. They could get a very nice MLB/Near-MLB return for him, and it would fit well with the young core their team already has. Basically, their GEN-R 2.

Gen J?

Nahhh

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by Andrew Martin on Feb 22, 2009 4:09 PM MST up reply actions

True...

it’s not really fair to say the Blue Jays suck, I suppose, when they have to face the strongest division in baseball. And of course, they’re not even the worst team in their own division.

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by DbacksSkins on Feb 23, 2009 9:40 AM MST up reply actions