Friday Rockpile: Is that an echo I hear?
by Russ Oates on Feb 6, 2009 7:41 AM MST
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PrintTodd Helton, his ab, and his playing time
Todd Helton in an article from 13 April 2008:
"I have one ab now," said Helton when asked about his trimmer, leaner physique.
And now Todd Helton in an article from 6 Feb 2009:
"I've almost got one ab now," he joked.
Anyway, Helton and Clint Hurdle seem to be on different pages right now for his amount of playing time. Helton thinks he can get back to the 140+ range, while Hurdle is more concerned with Helton doing well at the plate:
"I don't think there is any doubt that Todd is in the best position he's ever been to make an adjustment," Hurdle said. "He has to understand we have a large volume of games in front of him. He'll be aware that quality will be a focus point, rather than the quantity.
Hurdle has a point here. Helton will make an adjustment that is best for the team, and, ultimately, that should mean more rest for him.
Fogg in the Springs
Josh Fogg has agreed to join Colorado Springs should he not make the team out of ST and not receive an opportunity with another club in the majors.
Padres cut ties with 2004 1st overall pick
Back in 2004, the Padres had the first overall pick in the June draft. Matt Bush was a good prospect, certainly a first-round pick. First overall though? The Padres had been looking at Stephen Drew, Jeff Niemann, and Jered Weaver, but the money each was seeking put them off. The Padres settled on Bush because he would sign for less money and was from the area. He failed as a shortstop and then made a move to the mound (he was a decent pitching prospect also) during the 2007 season.
The Padres added Bush to the 40-man roster in November and removed him yesterday after learning of his possible involvement in a "drunken assault Wednesday involving boys lacrosse players on the Granite Hills High campus."
As it stands now, the Rockies and Diamondbacks have done better with their first-round shortstop selections from 2004, the latter team having the most success with their guy.
Speaking of the draft, draft profiles are back. The first one will appear this afternoon, but future installments will be on Tuesdays.
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Bush could be a nifty pickup
in a non-roster invitee kind of way
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And dump him in Ashevale
I’m sure Joe Mikulik would be able to handle him
Seriously though, speaking about prospects, and I guarantee this question is a repeat, so sorry, but how is Carlos Gonzalez not rated higher in our top prospects? Was Arizona’s farm just that weak, or is ours just that strong, or did he get enough MLB time to kind of shake the prospect tag?
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by Andrew Martin on Feb 6, 2009 8:55 AM MST up reply actions
It's the latter, CarGon's no longer eligible for the ROY
So he’s now in the Frankie Mo’ nebula where he shouldn’t be ignored by followers of the team, but prospect watchers drop him for their shiny new toys. If you were to rank a list of most talented Rockies under 25, both Gonzalez and Morales would be in the top 10.
I might be one of the few
But I’m getting really excited about his potential. I’m not thrilled by the lack of plate discipline, but all the reviews I’m hearing from everywhere have me downright excited. He looks to me like a poor man’s Alfonso Soriano, I’m not gonna give that up. Plus, he’s a good defender, looks to be excellent in RF, I just want to see him get awesome.
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by Andrew Martin on Feb 6, 2009 9:26 AM MST up reply actions
Debatable
Defense = Dingers + SBs? That’s the real difference.
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by Andrew Martin on Feb 6, 2009 9:42 AM MST up reply actions
Yea
I tried to qualify that with ‘could’. Soriano has always played league average or worse (see 2B) D. Like you say – it depends on Gonzalez showing some of power potential he had in the low minors.
I didn't read enough into the Could
He doesn’t have the longball power from what I’ve read, but he looks to have good gap power and oppo field ability.
God this team could be good if some more talent pans out.
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by Andrew Martin on Feb 6, 2009 11:14 AM MST up reply actions
Not to rain on your parade or anything,
but when I was scouting CarGon in AAA for the ’Pit in ’07, I was pretty disappointed in his OF defense.
Take that with a shaker of salt, of course, but about the only plus I could see was his arm strength. (Didn’t have great accuracy, either) He didn’t have great range, he didn’t judge line drives well, and he seemed to take some plays off.
Of course, that was also 18 months ago at this point. Chalk it up to inexperience, I guess….
"Of course, it’s downright frightening to imagine how two Adam Dunns would turn the double play." - Joe Posnanski
Your inexperience or his?
;)
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 9, 2009 2:41 PM MST up reply actions
Well
I meant his, but perhaps both.
"Of course, it’s downright frightening to imagine how two Adam Dunns would turn the double play." - Joe Posnanski
lacrosse players are jerks
Except for brian langtry
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by Andrew Martin on Feb 6, 2009 2:16 PM MST up reply actions
Ha ha
I can attest to Langtry not being a jerk – he teaches at the middle school I once attended (and that my mother still works at).
The lacrosse players I rolled with in high school were alright – but that was only one or two of them, the rest were stereotypically douchey ‘baseball is so gay lol’ types.
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You're kidding
My Fiancee’s mom works at that school too. That’s crazy.
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by Andrew Martin on Feb 6, 2009 4:11 PM MST up reply actions
His personality seems a little to Denny Neagle
for ownership:
Less than two weeks after the Padres drafted him No. 1, he was arrested after an altercation at a nightclub near the Padres’ spring-training compound in Peoria, Ariz. He reportedly was denied entrance to the club, jumped a railing to get in anyway and scuffled with a bouncer who tried to eject him.
But his pitching seems anything but Neagle-like:
2007: 7.2 IP, 16K, 2BB
Pick him up, send him to church with Helton, and let him strike out people in A or AA.
On what planet...
is Stephen Drew a better player than Troy Tulowitzki????
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Tulo was drafted in 2005.
"If we never try, we shall never succeed." - Abraham Lincoln
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which always makes me laugh
the 2004 squad, the “We’re clearly phasing out into a youth movement so these guys are all fill-in-the-gaps-until-everyone’s-ready” team, was so poor that everyone dumped season tickets, etc. Ironically, it’s the same team that earned us Tulowitzki.
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by Andrew Martin on Feb 6, 2009 9:36 AM MST up reply actions
Which is to mean,
I was referring to the 2004 troika.
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If you're looking at strictly 2008
Then this one.
Seriously though I don’t like the way Fangraphs has its value tables set out. In terms of runs; a win in Coors is not a win in PetCo. 11.3 runs is a win in Coors, 8 runs is a win in PetCo. How valuable are they now?
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by Andrew Martin on Feb 6, 2009 9:33 AM MST up reply actions
Not fair to Tulo
to look at 2008 only for reasons that should be painfully (no pun intended) obvious. But I still don’t see any department in which I’d take Drew over Tulo going forward.
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Oh absolutely not
But the Sports Media likes to exist in a vacuum when it suits them, and 2008 had Drew as 2 wins over Tulo.
I think, however, that 2009 will be a big indicator on whether our 31M was poorly placed.
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by Andrew Martin on Feb 6, 2009 11:13 AM MST up reply actions
BUT
DREW HIT FOR TEH SYCLE LOLZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Of course, it’s downright frightening to imagine how two Adam Dunns would turn the double play." - Joe Posnanski
and tulo
turned an UNASSISTED TRIPLE PLAY.
Good day, Sir.
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by Andrew Martin on Feb 10, 2009 10:12 AM MST up reply actions
DEFENCE IS SO OVERATED,
ITS ALL ABOUT THE OFENCE, LOLZ
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by DbacksSkins on Feb 10, 2009 12:48 PM MST up reply actions
I SAID GOOD DAY SIR
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by Andrew Martin on Feb 10, 2009 2:27 PM MST up reply actions
u dont have 2 yell @ me, lolz
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manbabies good sir voted A+++++++
now I’m just spouting internet stupidity.
Because on the internet, no one knows you’re a dog.
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by Andrew Martin on Feb 10, 2009 9:34 PM MST up reply actions
w/ a mustash lolz
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by DbacksSkins on Feb 13, 2009 12:01 PM MST up reply actions
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