WBC Round 2: 3/16/09: 6:30 MT

by Andrew Martin on Mar 16, 2009 6:26 PM MDT in Miscellaneous Comment 177 comments

Here is your WBC Update for Monday

Pool 1 - San Diego, CA, USA:

Japan: 6, Cuba: 0

The Japanese handled the Cubans very well, breaking open a scoreless match with a 3 run third and then trickling in 3 more runs over the rest of the game on 12 hits and 4BB. The first several innings looked tough for Cuban starter Aroldis Chapman, but the Japanese helped them by getting themselved picked twice and making 2 errors on pop fly foul balls (both on the same batter!). Meanwhile, the Cubans managed 8 hits of their own, but the Japanese staff, led by 6 innings of spotless work from Daisuke Matsuzaka, kept the Cubans from stringing any of those hits together.

Lines of the game:

Japan SP Daisuke Matsuzaka; 6.0IP, 8K, 5H, 0R

Japan 3B Shuichi Murata: 1-3, R, 2RBI

Later that night, team Mexico faced off with team Korea. Starters Oliver Perez and Hyunjin Ryu kept the game relatively close. Perez pitched into the 5^th, while the Korean staff was on a short leash last night. The two teams knotted the score up at 2 in the 2^nd inning, and Korea tallied 2 more runs over the 4^th and 5^th innings, until they unleashed a 4-run barrage onto Mexican relievers Rafael Diaz and David Cortes in the 7^th to bring the score to a 8-2 margin over Mexico, from which Mexico was unable to recover.

Lines of the game:

Korea P Hyun Wook Jong: 2.2IP, H, BB, 2K, 0R

Mexico SS Augie Ojeda: 2-4, 2RBI

Korea 1B Tae Kyun Kim: 2-5, 2R, 3RBI, HR

Tonight at 9PM MT, Cuba will play Mexico, and tomorrow at the same time, Japan will once again face Korea.

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Pool 2 - Miami, FL, USA

USA: 9, Netherlands: 3

Despite the magic of Honkbal we saw in the first round, Team USA had a mighty chip on their shoulder after being made fools of against Puerto Rico - not only in the massive score deficit, but also the Mercy Ruling which the Americans weren't even aware of.

Riding the solid pitching of Roy Oswalt and a batting performance with featured 12 hits and 8 walks, the USA silenced the Dutch Cinderella story that had captured the attention of so much of the international community.

Leading the game 8-1 going into the 8^th inning, USA pitcher Matt Lindstrom left one up and in for Dutch LF Bryan Engelhardt, and Engelhardt took full advantage and sent it into RF stands. The next pitch was behind 3B Vince Rooi, which prompted the Dutch team to begin walking out onto the field, ready to back their teammate. The umpire staff cooled everyone down, and Lindstrom finished the AB with Rooi and faced 3 more batters before being lifted with a hurt shoulder for John Grabow.

When later asked about the incident, Lindstrom stated "I thought that he took a little bit too long [rounding the bases]. He knew he got it. Whatever. I wasn't trying to hit [Rooi]."

Lines of the game:

USA SP Roy Oswalt: 4.0IP, 5H, 5K, 0R

USA SS Jimmy Rollins: 2-4, 4R, 4RBI, HR

USA 2B Brian Roberts: 3-3, 2R, RBI, 2BB (missed the cycle AND the Natural cycle by a HR - BB in his 4^th AB)

USA Manager Davey Johnson still confuses me. I'm not terribly opposed to the Relief Parade in this game, as with such a large lead, there really was no reason NOT to work all your pitchers a bit, especially with a day off following, despite his handling of the pitching staff being a complaint of mine thus far.

My biggest head scratcher is:

WHY WOULD YOU EVER PUT YOUR 2^ND CATCHER IN LF EVER WHY DAVEY WHY!??!

Perhaps the reaction is a bit....well, overreactive, but there was no reason for this move. I understand Braun was sore or something, and had to come out, but make Jeter move to 3B and put DeRosa in LF and forfeit the DH for the last 3 outs of the game. This was simply foolish. His response? He basically said that if both catchers went down, he would consider forfeiting rather than asking a non-catcher to catch. Not a bad sentiment, but if you are putting your catchers into the field for no reason, and putting them at risk of injury, you are clearly not thinking the game through hard enough.

I sincerely hope that Team USA reconsiders its choices in management in 2013.

Overall a good game and a good win for Team USA. It feels like we're beating up on the short kid, but we lose, we go home, right?

Happening as we read/type/speak, Puerto Rico and Venezuela are facing off, live on ESPN and ESPN Deportes. Two All-Star teams facing each other, and the loser will face a bruised-but-not-beaten team USA tomorrow. The Venezuelans left runners on 2^nd and 3^rd on a Carlos Guillen strikeout. Puerto Rican SP Ian Snell struck out the side, despite allowing a single and a double. Felix Hernandez is taking the mound for the Venezuelans.

That's your update, RowBots!

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I'll get this thing started

now that i’m home from work. This is probably the game of the tournament here.

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by Hizilla on Mar 16, 2009 6:44 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Also Japan plays Korea AGAIN.

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by Andrew Martin on Mar 16, 2009 7:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

He basically said that if both catchers went down, he would consider forfeiting rather than asking a non-catcher to catch

I think that he said this in reference to the 1st round game in Toronto against Venezuela that was more or less meaningless.
That being said – as funny as it was to see Heap in LF (even if I didn’t notice at first) it was extremely irresponsible for a guy who claims to be looking out for his players best interest.

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by Hizilla on Mar 16, 2009 6:48 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

exactly. It's the 9th. 6 run lead. just forfeit the DH and move DeRosa to LF and Jetes to 3B

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by Andrew Martin on Mar 16, 2009 7:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Snell and Felix are both looking a bit wild, but really solid

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by Andrew Martin on Mar 16, 2009 7:09 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Thought I was going to be talking to myself all night there for a sec

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by Hizilla on Mar 16, 2009 7:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just FYI I'm "here" but I'm also in class.

So don’t count on me for too much.

tomorrow, however, I’ll be all over everything.

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by Andrew Martin on Mar 16, 2009 7:11 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

You're missing a good game so far

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by Hizilla on Mar 16, 2009 7:11 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

dammit Rios

you could’ve been a hero there

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by Andrew Martin on Mar 16, 2009 7:18 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

For those without television access and who want to follow it on Gameday

Here’s the link.

As with the rest of the WBC, it’s all done in real time, but no video highlights yet.

by Rox Girl on Mar 16, 2009 7:22 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Snell's really cranking it...

That bodes well for the Pirates if he can keep his velo up like that. It was down a little in 2008 and I think that hurt his results.

by Rox Girl on Mar 16, 2009 7:24 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Was just thinking the same thing

struggling to get out of this inning a little – but he looks better than he did all of last year.

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by Hizilla on Mar 16, 2009 7:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cuba is playing Mexico again tonight?

these rules make no sense!

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Mar 16, 2009 7:32 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

I nearly attended last night's game between Mexico vs Korea..

But the only seats that were available were 3rd deck RF. I like WBC but not enough to pay $40 for a third deck ticket. Even the Park-at-the-Park tickets were sold out, they usually run $5 and were going for $15 last night.

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by Charlie77 on Mar 16, 2009 7:33 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Ugh

No way I would have bought that……unless the USA was playing.

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Mar 16, 2009 7:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Which is why the cheaper tix were gone..

Mexico was playing and they draw well, especially with AGone on their team. The tickets are just too expensive and attendance doesn’t seem to match the prices, unless a home team happens to be playing.

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by Charlie77 on Mar 16, 2009 7:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

That place looked packed last night

apparently it was.

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by Hizilla on Mar 16, 2009 7:36 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Aren't the finals in Dodger Stadium?

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Mar 16, 2009 7:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yep

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by Hizilla on Mar 16, 2009 7:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm considering that one...

But I’m sure tix will be tough to get in LA, especially if Team USA is still in it.

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by Charlie77 on Mar 16, 2009 8:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nice play from Cora.

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Mar 16, 2009 7:38 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Your signature

is much easier on my mobile browser – kudos.

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by Hizilla on Mar 16, 2009 7:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I try.

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Mar 16, 2009 7:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

so, this felix hernandez guy is pretty good.

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Mar 16, 2009 7:46 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

nice avatar

and quit complaining about the rules, they make perfect sense.

Game 1 & 2 are scheduled

Game 3 and 4 are winners play each other, losers play each other

game 5 is winner of the losers plays the loser of the winners

Game 6 is the winner of the winners plays the Game 5 winner

Game 4 and Game 5 losers go home.

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by Andrew Martin on Mar 16, 2009 7:54 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

I'm glad you made that CLEAR.

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by Hizilla on Mar 16, 2009 7:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

say it out loud, it makes sense

and it makes a whole lot more sense than it did last time.

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by Andrew Martin on Mar 16, 2009 7:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh

I’m not saying it didn’t make sense.
I like this line in particular

game 5 is winner of the losers plays the loser of the winners

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by Hizilla on Mar 16, 2009 8:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

hahhahaha

Delgado.

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Mar 16, 2009 7:57 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

delgado = faiiiiillllll

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by Andrew Martin on Mar 16, 2009 7:58 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

delgad-owned.

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Mar 16, 2009 7:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Luis Sojo meltdown coming.

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Mar 16, 2009 8:13 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

that’s a homer.

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Mar 16, 2009 8:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

HR

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by Hizilla on Mar 16, 2009 8:13 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

is that the delay?

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by Andrew Martin on Mar 16, 2009 8:18 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

They are reviewing it

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by Hizilla on Mar 16, 2009 8:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ruled

a triple on the field – but clearly a HR

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by Hizilla on Mar 16, 2009 8:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Overturned

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by Hizilla on Mar 16, 2009 8:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Anyone know

Who pitches for the USA tomorrow?
Lilly?

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by Hizilla on Mar 16, 2009 8:18 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

yes

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by Andrew Martin on Mar 16, 2009 8:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Crap

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by Hizilla on Mar 16, 2009 8:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

he was good against venezuela

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by Andrew Martin on Mar 16, 2009 8:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Even a blind squirell finds a nut once an acorn sometimes

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by Hizilla on Mar 16, 2009 8:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

what? I think you mixed that up a little

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Mar 16, 2009 8:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Let me try that again

Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn sometimes…so much for trying to be witty

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by Hizilla on Mar 16, 2009 8:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

LOL

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Mar 16, 2009 8:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I hate the head-first slide into first.

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Mar 16, 2009 8:23 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

I disagree

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by Hizilla on Mar 16, 2009 8:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Byrnes makes it hilarious.

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by Russ Oates on Mar 16, 2009 8:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

That picture would only be better

by Helton actually standing on TOP of Eric Byrnes.

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Mar 16, 2009 8:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

It doesn't have the same panache that the other one does because of the NLCS but I like this one too...

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by Hizilla on Mar 16, 2009 8:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

The only play funnier than that one...

was when Byrnes ran face first into the wall on a homerun earlier in the game.

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by Charlie77 on Mar 16, 2009 8:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

That was actually game 3

I was 5 rows above that crash soaking wet, dying laughing – I’ve been trying to find a picture of it, no luck so far.

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by Hizilla on Mar 16, 2009 8:37 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ah, that's right...

Now I remember, it was especially funny because of all the trash he was talking before the game.

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by Charlie77 on Mar 16, 2009 8:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

The crowd in LF let him have it the whole game – he was loving it.

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by Hizilla on Mar 16, 2009 8:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Jeannie Zelasko says he still sucks.

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Mar 16, 2009 8:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1

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-Glendon Rusch

by Hizilla on Mar 16, 2009 8:40 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Poor Byrnes...

Even his dog left him.

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by Charlie77 on Mar 16, 2009 8:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Big strikeout

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by Charlie77 on Mar 16, 2009 8:37 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Delgado is horrendous on defense.

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Mar 16, 2009 8:42 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Poor play

by Delgado

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-Glendon Rusch

by Hizilla on Mar 16, 2009 8:42 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Didn't charge the ball..

No sense of urgency.

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by Charlie77 on Mar 16, 2009 8:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Have I mentioned

that I love the WBC?

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by Hizilla on Mar 16, 2009 8:43 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Glad I rubbed off on you

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by Andrew Martin on Mar 16, 2009 8:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I would really like to go to LA for the finals – but I think i’ll save my money for opening day.

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by Hizilla on Mar 16, 2009 8:51 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Carlos Delgado is seriously the goat of this game

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by Andrew Martin on Mar 16, 2009 8:46 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Beltran still has some wheels

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by Charlie77 on Mar 16, 2009 8:47 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Sweet pick and flick by Cora

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by Charlie77 on Mar 16, 2009 8:50 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

another nice play from Cora

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Mar 16, 2009 8:50 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Magglio needs to cut his hair

He might wind up on Blue Collar Comedy tour.

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by Charlie77 on Mar 16, 2009 8:52 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

MLB 09 the show is good.

But I still hate you, Pedroia.

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Mar 16, 2009 8:52 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

I know..

He provided a rude introduction to the World Series. When are these games going to put someone West of Philadelphia on the cover?

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by Charlie77 on Mar 16, 2009 8:54 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I guess that's not fair...

MLB 2k9 has Tim Lincecum on the cover.

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by Charlie77 on Mar 16, 2009 8:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

the 2k9 animation looks really choppy and awful

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by Andrew Martin on Mar 16, 2009 8:58 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

the animation is ok.

if they would just fix the batting/pitching/fielding issues

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Mar 16, 2009 8:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Best baseball related ad on TV

Jimmy Rollins taking baseballs to the chest for Dicks

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by Hizilla on Mar 16, 2009 8:55 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTekZuVAVVU

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Mar 16, 2009 8:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Haven't seen that one yet...

I must not watch as many Dick commercials as you do, smirk!

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by Charlie77 on Mar 16, 2009 8:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Funny guy

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by Hizilla on Mar 16, 2009 8:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I enjoy it still

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by Andrew Martin on Mar 16, 2009 8:58 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

The runner at first almost got doubled off

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Mar 16, 2009 8:57 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

This crowd is awesome

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by Andrew Martin on Mar 16, 2009 8:58 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Surprised Beltran

wasn’t able to take the extra base there

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by Hizilla on Mar 16, 2009 8:59 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

or there.

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Mar 16, 2009 9:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's not like he's slow

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by Hizilla on Mar 16, 2009 9:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I hope Francisco Rodriguez gets lit up.

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Mar 16, 2009 9:02 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Ok guys it's 8 o'clock..

This has been fun, but I’m going to have to switch over to the Dancing With The Stars game thread.

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by Charlie77 on Mar 16, 2009 9:02 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

boo!

nite.

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Mar 16, 2009 9:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just Kidding!!

Do those even exist? Fortunately I setup my MLBtv connection today, so I can do something else when my wife steals the remote.

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by Charlie77 on Mar 16, 2009 9:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Over my dead body.

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by Russ Oates on Mar 16, 2009 9:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think he meant here...

But poor ninja move by revealing a potential weakness there. Now I know how to really annoy you. Not that I’m not naturally gifted at that as is.

by Rox Girl on Mar 16, 2009 9:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

kidding, btw

It would require breaking through my cold dead fingers to post a DWS thread on Purple Row as well.

by Rox Girl on Mar 16, 2009 9:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

But Melissa is on...

as a replacement dancer. She’s the girl that was jilted on The Bachelor.

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by Charlie77 on Mar 16, 2009 9:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

The what?

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by Russ Oates on Mar 16, 2009 9:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well,

if Tyler ever announces a DWS blog, I say revolt.

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by Russ Oates on Mar 16, 2009 9:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I can't stand this

One of the great closers in baseball history

Saves are such a bogus stat and announcers like these perpetuate . K-Rod was not even close to the best reliever in baseball last year. He happened to be on a team that won ALOT of 1 and 2 run games.

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by Hizilla on Mar 16, 2009 9:04 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

KRod is still a very very good reliever, just not THAT good

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by Andrew Martin on Mar 16, 2009 9:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

What?

Saves are a bogus stat? They’re the most money stat in the game. It’s one of the few times a player is held accountable for either directly winning or losing a game.

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by Charlie77 on Mar 16, 2009 9:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

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by Andrew Martin on Mar 16, 2009 9:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

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by Charlie77 on Mar 16, 2009 9:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

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by Andrew Martin on Mar 16, 2009 9:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

And he pitched in a lot of those wins, and pitched decently...

And he’s done so year in, year out for a few seasons now. While I think there’s some obvious exaggeration in the statement, I don’t think it’s that cut and dried that K-Rod is not one of the great relievers of his generation, and given the overall quality of relievers now compared to how they’ve been even in my lifetime, it’s not a huge jump to see him entering into the conversation.

by Rox Girl on Mar 16, 2009 9:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Problem is the answer is Mariano Rivera

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by Andrew Martin on Mar 16, 2009 9:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

As the greatest, sure...

But “one of the great” leaves plenty of room for K-Rod.

by Rox Girl on Mar 16, 2009 9:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Eh.

I prefer my 1977 Goose Gossage.

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by Russ Oates on Mar 16, 2009 9:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Also an excellent choice

But are we talking careers or single seasons?

this also comes down as an issue of pitcher utilization through the ages.

Gossage was fantastic.

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by Andrew Martin on Mar 16, 2009 9:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Which begs the question:

If today’s closers had to be put in situations guys like Gossage were, would they be able to do it?

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by Russ Oates on Mar 16, 2009 9:31 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

How about the 1965 Sandy Koufax?

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by Charlie77 on Mar 16, 2009 9:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Koufax was a starter, so

he doesn’t apply here.

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by Russ Oates on Mar 16, 2009 9:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

According to FanGraphs

there were 12 more valuable relievers last year- including 2 guys that started the season for the Rockies (Fuentes, Ramirez).

"Better move your rental cars, I am about to take BP."
-Glendon Rusch

by Hizilla on Mar 16, 2009 9:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ramon?

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by Andrew Martin on Mar 16, 2009 9:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

In 2008, okay, but the original quote was "one of the great closers in history"

Not one of the great seasons by a closer, even if that’s the context the announcer was bouncing off of. If you look at Rodriguez’s last five seasons in aggregate, they match up as well or better than just about anybody else’s best five year run outside of the aforementioned Mo Rivera.

by Rox Girl on Mar 16, 2009 9:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I should have

included more of the quote – he went on to only talk about last season and his record number of saves.

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by Hizilla on Mar 16, 2009 9:31 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, that's why I said that part about that being the context

But to continue to play the devil’s advocate, I think using single seasons to judge pitchers is pretty dumb to begin with, but it’s especially idiotic with relievers. K-Rod could well have been the best reliever in baseball last season, but the noise of small samples might have obscured that.

by Rox Girl on Mar 16, 2009 9:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't disagree with you

The point I was trying to get across (poorly) was that I am tired of hearing about what a great year he had – and he wasn’t even one of the top 10 relievers in the league. The guy finished 6th in the MVP voting and 3rd in the Cy Young for pete’s sake.

"Better move your rental cars, I am about to take BP."
-Glendon Rusch

by Hizilla on Mar 16, 2009 9:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Those awards are biased...

based on media coverage, location of the voter etc. Look at 07 Holliday vs Rollins.

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by Charlie77 on Mar 16, 2009 9:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree with you, he got unfair praise this past season,

But it goes with the territory of being a pitcher in the major markets. Unfair, but the best you can do is be satisfied that most intelligent baseball fans realize that bias is there.

by Rox Girl on Mar 16, 2009 9:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Absolutely

It’s funny that you suggest looking past the aggregate and look at his individual seasons, he’s clearly on the decline

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by Andrew Martin on Mar 16, 2009 9:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

A man named

Joe Nathan is mad you forgot to mention him

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by Hizilla on Mar 16, 2009 9:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

And yes

I realize you said “as well or better”

"Better move your rental cars, I am about to take BP."
-Glendon Rusch

by Hizilla on Mar 16, 2009 9:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I love his five year run too...

Part of why I’m saying it’s hard to view any of these guys’ place in history because this is a bit of a golden era of relief pitchers we’re going through here.

by Rox Girl on Mar 16, 2009 9:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I wish you had

said “golden era of relief pitchers” after this game that i wasted 3 hours of my life watching.

"Better move your rental cars, I am about to take BP."
-Glendon Rusch

by Hizilla on Mar 16, 2009 9:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, there are still some impurities in that gold...

by Rox Girl on Mar 16, 2009 9:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Angels get to put up with that "golden" stuff from now on

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by Charlie77 on Mar 16, 2009 9:51 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

K/BB ratio not great

and he didn’t pitch more than a 3 out save all season

I’d wager Scot Shields was more valuable.

Ok that’s a stretch but KRod is still overrated

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by Andrew Martin on Mar 16, 2009 9:54 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

The term "Closer" isn't that old...

Although pitchers have been doing it since before Christy Mathewson, but considering the age of the position, he could be placed in the conversation.

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by Charlie77 on Mar 16, 2009 9:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

by Andrew Martin on Mar 16, 2009 9:19 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

by Andrew Martin on Mar 16, 2009 9:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Everyone NOT watching ESPN2

Just missed a badass stache

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by Andrew Martin on Mar 16, 2009 9:33 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

by Charlie77 on Mar 16, 2009 9:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

yes, yes it did

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by Andrew Martin on Mar 16, 2009 9:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Interesting explanation of the pitching rules in the WBC...

I didn’t realize there was a 30 pitch rule.

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by Charlie77 on Mar 16, 2009 9:44 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

And I'm out.

’Night everyone!

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by Russ Oates on Mar 16, 2009 9:48 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

by Charlie77 on Mar 16, 2009 9:53 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wow..

Did you mean the double play? cause wow

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by Charlie77 on Mar 16, 2009 9:54 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Awesome the WBC didn't bother to print instructions in SPANISH

gj selig

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by Andrew Martin on Mar 16, 2009 9:59 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

I'm rooting for Mexico

Down with Communism!

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-Glendon Rusch

by Hizilla on Mar 16, 2009 10:09 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

by Hizilla on Mar 16, 2009 10:28 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Isn't that a team from Littleton?

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by Charlie77 on Mar 16, 2009 10:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cuba broke out in that last half inning with 3 runs scored...

5-2 now in the 5th.

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by Charlie77 on Mar 16, 2009 10:47 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

that was a huge double and a bunch of miscues with the cutoff men

oh mexico :shakes head:

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by Andrew Martin on Mar 16, 2009 10:48 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Aye dos mijo

or something like that

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by Charlie77 on Mar 16, 2009 10:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

that was "Aye 2 my son"

Dios mio

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by Andrew Martin on Mar 16, 2009 10:51 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's one of those phrases I've heard,

but never tried to spell.

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by Charlie77 on Mar 16, 2009 10:53 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Uh-oh

Pitcher injury isn’t good. Cuba’s already shorthanded tonight.

"Never fall in or out of love too early in the Spring." ~ Tony La Russa

by Charlie77 on Mar 16, 2009 10:54 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Not to mention the 3 hitter Vera's throwing tonight..

But he’s getting close to his pitch count for the night anyway.

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by Charlie77 on Mar 16, 2009 10:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

WAS throwing

he tried to champ it out, no more

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by Andrew Martin on Mar 16, 2009 10:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

MLB is buffering,

Puter’s stuck on Vera in a grimace.

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by Charlie77 on Mar 16, 2009 10:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

MLB is buffering,

Puter’s stuck on Vera in a grimace.

"Never fall in or out of love too early in the Spring." ~ Tony La Russa

by Charlie77 on Mar 16, 2009 11:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dancing with teh Stars finally ended...

So now I can watch this game on the big screen.

"Never fall in or out of love too early in the Spring." ~ Tony La Russa

by Charlie77 on Mar 16, 2009 11:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I feel very sorry for you.

"Better move your rental cars, I am about to take BP."
-Glendon Rusch

by Hizilla on Mar 16, 2009 11:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's a tradeoff..

She gets to watch DWS and I get to sleep with her. Actually she usually watches the sports shows with me. But this is one of “her” shows.

"Never fall in or out of love too early in the Spring." ~ Tony La Russa

by Charlie77 on Mar 16, 2009 11:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

let's keep this clean boys

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by Andrew Martin on Mar 16, 2009 11:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry..

That’s my bad, I promise not to mention Dancing with the stars anymore.

"Never fall in or out of love too early in the Spring." ~ Tony La Russa

by Charlie77 on Mar 16, 2009 11:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

by Hizilla on Mar 16, 2009 11:27 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

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