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Wednesday Rockpile: Rockies put Jeff Baker, Yorvit Torrealba on Trade Block

Hot Stove Season Not Over for Rockies?

The big news this morning is the increased trade pressure the Rockies have placed on Jeff Baker and Yorvit Torrealba, as Troy Renck reports. In light of Sal Fasano's strong spring and the intangibles provided by his fantastic facial hair, the Rockies are no longer looking for a catcher in return for Purple Row's favorite Rockie. However, the reality is that the Rockies probably won't be trading Yorvit because they signed him to a silly contract last year and nobody has $4 million lying around for a backup catcher. So the real news here is the availability (and the ability to potentially move) reserve infielder Jeff Baker.


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Baker has always had the potential for great things with his bat, but due to unfortunate injuries and overall bad timing he's never gotten his opportunity with the Rockies. As a result, moving him might be the best move for both parties at this juncture--though as Renck mentions, that might mean a trade to Pittsburgh or Houston (lost Aaron Boone). I for one would thoroughly recommend the Rockies trading with Ed Wade of the Astros again, as the club got pretty good value the last time a trade was consummated between the two teams. Also reportedly interested in Baker are the Yankees (A-Rod out), Phillies (as reported by Ken Rosenthal), and the Braves. Renck mentions in a blog post that the Yankees are unlikely to pursue Baker because they want to give their prospect Cody Ransom a shot. Kyle Kendrick was the only name mentioned as a possible return--one that doesn't do a lot for me personally, but pitching depth is never a bad thing, and Baker's departure would mean that Ian Stewart would be all but guaranteed a roster spot.

Dexter Fowler Situation Analysis

In addition, the trade of Baker could increase the likelihood of Dexter Fowler staying with the big club. He's a game-changing talent according to Clint Hurdle, and the Rockies are no doubt a better team if he's on it, but there is more than just talent at play here. As I opined in yesterday's Rockpile comments, the Rockies will likely keep Fowler in AAA until at least mid-June for the simple reason that Dex has three options left and that the Rockies want to delay his arbitration status from being Super-Two eligible. The Rockies would then control Fowler for an extra full season before he becomes arbitration eligible--which as I've shown is bad for everyone except the players.

In other words, don't hold your breath for Dex beginning the season with the Rockies this year. If the Rockies end up two games back from the playoffs this year, they'll rue this decision, but likely it will save them plenty of money down the line.

Other Rockies Links

Patrick Saunders lists his Five Biggest Spring Surprises, citing Helton's power surge as the number one surprise.

Renck chimes in with a piece on the difficulty of the Rockies' Cactus League schedule, due mostly to the increased travel distances and the lack of off days.

Tracy Ringolsby contributes an interview with Brad Hawpe.

Thomas Harding has pieces on Chris Iannetta's development, Troy Tulowitzki's rehab game (it went fine), and Juan Morillo's progress. Morillo in particular has impressed me this spring--it would do the Rockies a lot of good to have a power arm like Morillo in the pen especially with Taylor Buchholz out.

Scout.com unveils their Top 100 Prospect List (article) and Chart (actual list), with a nice breakdown of the list on the article's right sidebar. The Rockies check in with three players on the list: Dexter Fowler at 35, Jhoulys Chacin at 60, and Christian Friedrich at 92.

And finally...this happened about a week ago, but CBS Sports' Scott Miller did his Rockies camp tour, primarily focusing on an interview with Troy Tulowitzki. He also identified five things to know about the upcoming season for the Rox.

Poll
Should the Colorado Rockies trade Jeff Baker?
Yes: Baker is injury prone and streaky. He will thrive in a new environment and it will give the Rockies a place to put Ian Stewart.
84 votes
No: Baker is too valuable as a utility infielder and too much of a talent to give up on--especially if Kyle Kendrick is all the Rockies can get for him in return.
16 votes
Maybe: Only if the return is acceptable--Baker does have value after all.
55 votes

155 votes | Poll has closed

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I don't really see

Andrew McCutchen as a better prospect than Fowler, and certainly not at the disparity Scout.com has.

"If we never try, we shall never succeed." - Abraham Lincoln

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by Russ Oates on Mar 25, 2009 8:09 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

And they have Austin Jackson at 14...

he’s got potential, but that looks like East Coast Yankees bias to me.

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by Jeff Aberle on Mar 25, 2009 8:21 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cutch hasn't impressed me with his minor league numbers

The thing he has going is that he’s like 20 and already in AAA, but he’s not shredding any level like Dex did in AA.

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by Andrew Martin on Mar 25, 2009 9:14 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

His advancement that far says as much about the Pirates need for quality MLB players

As it does about McCutchen’s current abilities. I think in the end Cutch ends up with a bit less of what Fowler brings in every offensive category save steals, and probably about the same contribution in defense.

by Rox Girl on Mar 25, 2009 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

which is fair, they seem to have rushed him

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by Andrew Martin on Mar 25, 2009 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really find myself

agreeing with Renck more and more (which scares me a little):

The reality is that Torrealba would be gone already, if not for the money he’s owed.
Stewart has to make this club if the Rockies are serious about winning.

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by Hizilla on Mar 25, 2009 8:16 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Baker

for a solid bullpen arm?

by Resolution on Mar 25, 2009 8:16 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Also

this makes me wonder how much more beneficial it is for guys like Ubaldo and Morales to have a Spanish speaking catcher…

by Resolution on Mar 25, 2009 8:19 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

For Ubaldo, not so much...but perhaps for Morales

Jimenez has a pretty good grasp of English, but I’m not sure how well the other Latin pitchers on our staff understand it.

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by Jeff Aberle on Mar 25, 2009 8:23 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sure it's a nice perk

But how many young latin pitchers have 2 white boys behind the plate and still do fine?

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by Andrew Martin on Mar 25, 2009 9:14 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

according to

Woody Paige some time ago,

Torrealba almost never speaks Spanish to the club’s Latino pitchers

Aut Vincam Aut Periam

by PioneerSkies on Mar 25, 2009 6:29 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Citing Woody? How could you?!

I think, however, he’d be forced to speak Spanish if a guy like Morales had difficulty understanding the English.

I particularly like how Woody gave himself a HUGE pat on the back for wanting Yorvit in the starting lineup in 07 instead of CI.

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Mar 25, 2009 8:39 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Apparently my poll wasn't as close as I thought it was...

I’m obviously in the minority in wanting to keep on Baker, especially if we’ll only get the recently demoted Kendrick in return.

Baker is a solid power right-handed bat off the bench who can play five positions. That’s a valuable asset to have on your bench, or as I personally believe, starting at 2B.

My opinion: keep Baker and dump Q.

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by Jeff Aberle on Mar 25, 2009 8:59 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Nobody would want Q

Also you might’ve offered a 3rd option: “Trade him, but only if there’s a passable return. There’s no rush here!”

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by Andrew Martin on Mar 25, 2009 9:15 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I considered that option...perhaps I will add it.

Also, I was just advocating putting Q on waivers.

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by Jeff Aberle on Mar 25, 2009 9:16 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's

unfair to those who already voted.

"If we never try, we shall never succeed." - Abraham Lincoln

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by Russ Oates on Mar 25, 2009 9:26 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, yes. Hadn't thought of that.

I guess that’s why you make the big bucks Russ.

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by Jeff Aberle on Mar 25, 2009 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heh.....

yeah, SBN pays sooo well……

;-)

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by DbacksSkins on Mar 25, 2009 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

What, no conspiracy theory

that we’re actually making tons of money but don’t tell?

"If we never try, we shall never succeed." - Abraham Lincoln

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by Russ Oates on Mar 25, 2009 1:25 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

If so,

where the Hell is my cut??

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by DbacksSkins on Mar 25, 2009 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you sign any agreement

with the company?

"If we never try, we shall never succeed." - Abraham Lincoln

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by Russ Oates on Mar 25, 2009 3:41 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope.

I’m not contracted like the managers are.

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by DbacksSkins on Mar 25, 2009 3:42 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly.

"If we never try, we shall never succeed." - Abraham Lincoln

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by Russ Oates on Mar 25, 2009 3:44 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, to be honest,

there’s very little that I do that’s worthy of recompense anyway.

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by DbacksSkins on Mar 25, 2009 3:54 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

But you don't want to

participate in our yearly Satanic ritual?

"If we never try, we shall never succeed." - Abraham Lincoln

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by Russ Oates on Mar 25, 2009 3:56 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not

the sacrifice, am I?

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by DbacksSkins on Mar 25, 2009 4:03 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll let you know

when we decide.

"If we never try, we shall never succeed." - Abraham Lincoln

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by Russ Oates on Mar 25, 2009 4:05 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I can tell you right now,

that if you require a virgin, well….. yeah. I wouldn’t make a very good sacrifice.

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by DbacksSkins on Mar 25, 2009 4:08 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah ok

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by Andrew Martin on Mar 26, 2009 9:35 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

you'd be the PR Wicker Man

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by Andrew Martin on Mar 26, 2009 9:35 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd be

a giant man made of wicker and filled with animals and one virgin outsider representing the crown who came to PR of his own volition?

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by DbacksSkins on Mar 26, 2009 9:47 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

uh

more you’d be the guy in the plotline

don’t overthink this and just get on the altar.

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by Andrew Martin on Mar 26, 2009 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just sayin'....

the actual “wicker man” was the thing they burned.

(Sorry. This post has spoilers, so if you haven’t seen the movie, don’t read it)

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by DbacksSkins on Mar 26, 2009 10:19 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh noes

christopher lee is a pagan

Did you see the original or the Nick Cage one

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by Andrew Martin on Mar 26, 2009 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't see the remake,

because I heard it was awful. I’ll see it someday, I’m sure.

I’ve got the original on double sided Limited Super Extra Special Director’s Cut Collector’s Edition DVD. (Original theatrical on one side, extended on the other)

Has Christopher Lee ever played a good guy?

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by DbacksSkins on Mar 26, 2009 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

There was a lot of nikked people in that movie.

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by Andrew Martin on Mar 26, 2009 11:12 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah,

but it was the artistic kind of nekkid.

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by DbacksSkins on Mar 26, 2009 11:22 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Although, there is kind of a rush to come to a decision about Baker...

about 8 days in my estimation before the roster is fully set.

Also, maybe option enabled.

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by Jeff Aberle on Mar 25, 2009 9:21 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

For Q I wouldn't mind him ;)

But for Bake? Ehhhhhh it all depends. If he finds his 2007 abilities again, it might be a fair return.

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by Andrew Martin on Mar 25, 2009 9:16 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, meh to another back end rotation guy in general

But just not sure about what to move Baker for. Solid bullpen arm would be nice, don’t know who’s available.

Here’s Dayn Perry’s one sentence summary of what the Rockies would need to do to win the WS (he did one for every team):

What follows is almost certainly not a grammatically sound sentence: Troy Tulowitzki — be healthy and effective — Chris Iannetta — hit like your minor-league profile suggests you can — Carlos Gonzalez — take the Great Leap Forward — Ryan Spilborghs and Brad Hawke (sic) — have career seasons with the glove — Clint Barmes — out-perform the projections — Greg Smith — don’t pitch as badly as your peripherals suggest you should.

Spoken like someone who has truly not paid any attention to the Rox spring training.

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by frightenedinmate#2 on Mar 25, 2009 10:27 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

In what regard

I more or less agree with him. Iannetta’s pretty much arrived, but entering his first full-time starting season, I can see where the question mark is. CarGon, agreed. Spills isn’t bad with the glove, but between him and Hawpe, it’s pretty true. Barmes needs to outperform himself. Smith – agreed.

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by Andrew Martin on Mar 25, 2009 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

In the regard that Smith probably doesn't even make the starting rotation

Had he included Franklin Morales with CarGo in taking that great leap forward, he would have been more correct, but I agree that everything else he’s pretty much spot on.

by Rox Girl on Mar 25, 2009 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are Smith and CarGo going to be with the team?

I agree with you on Iannetta, but last year and WBC has me really confident in him. But I think more importantly:
1) Uball’s coming out party
2) Helton’s back
3) How Helton’s back affects both infield and outfield logjams.

Dayn isn’t wrong in what certain people need to do, he’s wrong in which people are going to be doing it.

man, that sentence made more sence before i typed it.

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by frightenedinmate#2 on Mar 25, 2009 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

No to both Smith and CarGon at this point

Smith hasn’t shown up in ST and I think at this rate he’ll wash out in AAA. With Hawpe, Spills, Smith, and Murton all playing big boy ball, there’s really not room for CarGon to get playing time, and I want him getting regular reps.

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by Andrew Martin on Mar 26, 2009 9:46 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that it needs to be the right trade

I think if we get the right trade it would be very bentifical. We could get rid of the log jam and insure that Stewart could have a place to play. But I also see the point that Bake is a valuable asset. So even though I initaly voted to trade him before the third option was there I would change my vote to wait tell we had a fair value trade for Baker.

by RockiesDave on Mar 25, 2009 9:44 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Philly's GM Amaro thinks that...
I don’t know if that’s a fair trade, actually.

If he thinks it favors the Rockies, he’s crazy.

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by Jeff Aberle on Mar 25, 2009 1:37 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Also, Al on Bleed Cubbie Blue

has provided his NL West Preview, placing the Rockies in second place behind the Dodgers. I’ll take what moral victories I can get from that.

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by Jeff Aberle on Mar 25, 2009 1:42 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Except he missed the memo on Francis being out for the year

That may change his thinking

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Mar 25, 2009 3:56 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

What would be awesome...

Is if we got Clay Buchholz for them both.

by jefe_13 on Mar 25, 2009 11:44 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

If they're not gonna move Buchholz for Saltoftheearthalamacchia

They’re not gonna move him for Yorvy and Bake.

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by Andrew Martin on Mar 26, 2009 9:47 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Miggy Montero, too

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by DbacksSkins on Mar 26, 2009 9:48 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

what about him

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by Andrew Martin on Mar 26, 2009 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wouldn't give us Buchholz for him

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by DbacksSkins on Mar 26, 2009 10:18 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh right. phrasing you know.

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