Thursday Rockpile: Jason Marquis third starter in name only
by Rox Girl on Mar 26, 2009 9:06 AM MDT
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PrintSo the good news is that Jason Marquis' 2009 ERA sits at 0.00 just like everybody else's. The bad news would be that yesterday's monstrosity of an outing, one that's closer to the norm of what we've seen of him this Spring than not, does little to inspire any confidence that it will stay within five digits of that zero figure for very long. Honestly, we'd like some sign to be confident that he could keep it within ten digits. Last Spring with the Cubs, Marquis had a 1.93 ERA in 14 IP, in 2007 he had a 5.40 ERA in 18 IP, and in 2006 he was at 1.96 in 23 IP with the Cardinals, so you can't say that he's been one of those pitchers that's just getting his pitches in this time of year. Of course, maybe 2009 is different and he now is one of those pitchers like Jim Tracy and Yorvit Torrealba suggest. Spring Training is just that way sometimes.
While some worry over what Marquis will bring to the Rockies this season may be merited, what I don't want to read today are any comments that are to the effect of "He's supposed to be the third starter, the Rockies are doomed."
From Renck:
Third starter Jason Marquis couldn't spot his pitches, delivering a performance that creates concern, even from some teammates, about a rotation that has been uneven behind Aaron Cook and Ubaldo Jimenez.
When fans use these labels as a jumping off point for criticism drives me crazy. Marquis is not and never has been anything more than a bottom of the rotation starter, regardless of who he pitches before or after, and the argument that because the Rockies positioned him in the third slot means that they think that they'll win with him as their third best starter this season is either willfully manipulative or plain ignorant.
As well informed fans we should know going in that the Rockies best hope for a competitive 2009 is and always has been that Marquis winds up as no better than the fifth best starter on the team. Rather, that Franklin Morales and/or Jorge De La Rosa (or whoever winds up in those slots) rise to their potential and perform at the third starter caliber. What we would need from Marquis in 2009 in that case is lots of innings with roughly between a 4.85 to 5.25 ERA season depending on how well the aforementioned pair of LHP's do. Limit your fretting over Jason to that he won't meet these low expectations, not that he's an insufficient replacement for Jeff Francis.
This of course means that Renck's concerns in the next paragraph over what Frankie Mo' and JDLR have been up to are certainly justifiable, though and that's where we should really be focusing. I just want to get that peeve of mine of using "third starter" every time in conjunction with Marquis out of the way. While not an ideal situation, it's Cook/Jimenez and then a shifting landscape in the next three slots. Being too tied to a clearly defined heirarchy is only likely to make you miss where the Rockies real opportunity lies.
Joe Koshansky's shagging flies in a bid to increase his chances for an MLB job, no word if Marquis' performance has inspired him to take up pitching again, though.
Sure, the survivor's are saying Camp Hurdle's been great so far, but that's just because they haven't noticed all the missing guys from the machete wielding psychopath making them pay for all their Tulopalooza sins. You seem like you may be next Pods. Actually, the article mostly winds up being about the Rox getting ready to flee Tucson to never return.
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I feel bad for JoeKo
I want him to play sooooo badly. That power is fantastic. I’d watch the hell out of him.
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Third starter Jason Marquis couldn’t spot his pitches, delivering a performance that creates concern, even from some teammates, about a rotation that has been uneven behind Aaron Cook and Ubaldo Jimenez.
Should probably be more concerned about the part about “even from some teammates”.
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I think they're concerned about the rotation
moreso than just “oh damn this marquis guy suxx”
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 26, 2009 9:24 AM MDT up reply actions
Even so....
the fact that they’re expressing that to a beat writer, yeah…
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I'll be honest, hearing everyone falling apart
has me downright terrified.
O’Dowd, acquire Doc. Do it.
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 26, 2009 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions
You do realize
that the second O Dowd pulls off that move the 5 straight years of 230+ innings comes back to bite Doc and he goes down with some awful injury?
shhhhhhhhhhh
can’t hear you
lalala
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 26, 2009 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions
Ben Sheets
is still on the market?
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by DbacksSkins on Mar 26, 2009 10:21 AM MDT up reply actions
He is in one of my fantasy leagues.
Because I just dropped him like a bad transmission.
by pedalpusher on Mar 26, 2009 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions
yes
and still hurt & rehabbing in Texas
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by PioneerSkies on Mar 26, 2009 11:25 PM MDT up reply actions
the second O Dowd pulls off that move the 5 straight years of 230+ innings comes back to bite Doc
hmm this sounds familiar…
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by PioneerSkies on Mar 26, 2009 11:26 PM MDT up reply actions
Harikkala!
What was strange about yesterday is the length of time he was left in to pitch poorly. Even if you’re working out a new delivery (seriously, now? not, say, in january?) I would think if you’re getting mushed around that badly the pitching coach would have to at some point suggest working it out in the bullpen.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Mar 26, 2009 9:47 AM MDT reply actions
He's at the Tom Martin stage in his career
where he’ll try anything to keep working
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 26, 2009 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions
The purpose of him pitching wasn't to win
It’s to condition himself and get his pitch count up. They were going for arm strength, not results.
Not to say the results are not important.
Yeah, I don't care about the L
But we are a week and a half away from when giving up 12 runs in 3 1/3 is no longer a luxury. If he’s “tweaking,” by all means work with the coaches and figure it out. But whatever the game plan yesterday, you can’t tell me it took them that long to figure out it wasn’t working.
I understand the need to build arm strenght, and the benefit of facing actual hitters, but I would rather see him in a spot where he can give 5-6 innings of servicable work rather than go in and get shelled but be able to keep it up for a long time.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Mar 26, 2009 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions
Well,
The start you really need to look at will be his final ST start. That is when all teams will be playing starters and going through the final rotation before the season. He will be at full strength at that point. Anyway, the point is they had him scheduled to toss X number of pitches and were going to leave him in until he hit that number. At least I hope that is the case.
Jason Marquis
He’s supposed to be the third starter? The Rockies are doomed.
I love Greg Reynolds and I may be slightly ashamed to admit it.
But, But
he’s won 15 games a year! He’s never had a losing record! He is a winnar!
Just like
Russ Ortiz.
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by DbacksSkins on Mar 26, 2009 10:25 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't think you were supposed to say that.
As someone else said, had this been the regular season, we wouldn’t have seen that. I still think Jason will do just what we got him for…eat up innings and keep us in ballgames.
by pedalpusher on Mar 26, 2009 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions
oh, by the way......
I hope, I hope, I hope.
by pedalpusher on Mar 26, 2009 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions
He kept
the Angels in the game…
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by DbacksSkins on Mar 26, 2009 10:25 AM MDT up reply actions
Oh c'mon people.
I was being facetious. It’s my specialty.
I love Greg Reynolds and I may be slightly ashamed to admit it.
by Silverblood on Mar 26, 2009 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions
You have a specialty? In what?
"A great catch is like watching girls go by; the last one you see is always the prettiest." ~Bob Gibson
JFK
We know.
Otherwise you wouldn’t tempt RG by doing exactly what she said not to do. I don’t think. But then again maybe you would.
by pedalpusher on Mar 26, 2009 10:38 AM MDT up reply actions
The point WAS that he's the #3 because experience and something
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 26, 2009 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions
Veteraniness.
Just like Tony Clark.
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by DbacksSkins on Mar 26, 2009 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, I figured it would be you, my nemesis...
to go and try to goad me with the goading stick I presented everybody.
/goad
/goad
/GOAD I SAID
I love Greg Reynolds and I may be slightly ashamed to admit it.
by Silverblood on Mar 26, 2009 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions
Interesting about Jason Marquis - Jeff Huson
I like how he could be a starter…Jeff Huson from FSN was on the radio here in Salt Lake and said Marquis eats up innings. He may be able to give the Rockies 7 or 8 innings when he is in which will help the Rockies not burn out their bullpen.
That is true…didn’t think of it that way. Plus JM knows how to win…he has been on plenty of winning teams.
I for one
personally believe that without Jason Marquis and his 6.02 ERA, there is no way the Cardinals could have won the Series in 06.
I love Greg Reynolds and I may be slightly ashamed to admit it.
by Silverblood on Mar 26, 2009 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions
i really can't tell if this is a real post or not
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 26, 2009 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions
+1
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by DbacksSkins on Mar 26, 2009 12:21 PM MDT up reply actions
I think it's real,
Allow a learning curve for the newer users and focus on what’s right. He’s exactly on in that Jason’s value should be in what IP he provides, so long as that it’s closer to Josh Fogg 2007 type of innings rather than Byung Hyun Kim 2006 type of innings.
that's cool
I can’t tell if someone’s a long-timer and just messing with us because they don’t post often, or if they’re new and aren’t on board with our diatribe
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 26, 2009 10:46 PM MDT up reply actions
Due to Inclement Weather
Colorado School of Mines will be closed starting at Noon today.
"A great catch is like watching girls go by; the last one you see is always the prettiest." ~Bob Gibson
JFK
And I was just remarking the other day about
only having to get the snow blower out once this year. Maybe I’ll just keep my mouth shut.
by pedalpusher on Mar 26, 2009 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions
Due to cloudless blue skies and 80 degrees,
I will be using my A/C today.
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by DbacksSkins on Mar 26, 2009 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah yeah yeah
Just two days ago, I was wearing shorts, t-shirts and flips in Tucson. sigh.
by pedalpusher on Mar 26, 2009 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions
Heh...
that comment was probably a dick move on my part.
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by DbacksSkins on Mar 26, 2009 12:32 PM MDT up reply actions
No need for AC here, its a perfect 70 degrees..
And the waves are waist to shoulder high.
"Never fall in or out of love too early in the Spring." ~ Tony La Russa
ohhh i'm at work
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 26, 2009 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions
stupid blizzard
I was parked on highway 36 for about 4 hours today
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by PioneerSkies on Mar 26, 2009 11:29 PM MDT up reply actions
That sounds miserable
That’s why I didn’t leave my condo today…for the most part.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Mar 27, 2009 12:05 AM MDT up reply actions
It was a 2 hour drive from work back to Highlands Ranch
Glad I wasn’t heading to Golden today.
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 27, 2009 8:09 AM MDT up reply actions
Yikes
My dad takes the Boulder bus from downtown to Arvada (Sheridan and 36). He said he left at 12pm and got lucky to get on a bus about 10 minutes after he got to the station (all standing room). At one point on 36 there were a couple jack-knifed trucks, which I’m unclear on how they got around. When they got near the Sheridan station, the exit was totally backed up, so the driver just pulled off to the shoulder and let them off right there on the freeway, since it would take him forever to get off and back on. My dad made it home in about an hour and a half, but was pretty sure most of the rest of the people he left behind in the station downtown probably had a 4-5 hour commute. Crazy.
I did see a jack-knifed bus on the Church Ranch/104th offramp:
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by PioneerSkies on Mar 27, 2009 4:56 PM MDT up reply actions
Can a bus jack-knife?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Mar 27, 2009 5:03 PM MDT up reply actions
The extra long articulated ones can turn all cockeyed
I’ve been in the back part when it started sliding on it’s own while the front kept going. Kinda strange seeing the front of the vehicle you are in out the window.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Mar 27, 2009 5:07 PM MDT up reply actions
I guess
this one was just turned sideways on a narrow offramp then.
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by PioneerSkies on Mar 27, 2009 5:26 PM MDT up reply actions
Then again....
I shouldn’t really be talking, since I have this picture:
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if it makes you feel any better,
I was at a complete stop when I snapped that picture, and no ambulances were on that side of the overpass.
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by PioneerSkies on Mar 29, 2009 2:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Ah.
I was on a straightaway, without traffic, testing my speed governor, about a month after I bought my car in ’07.
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by DbacksSkins on Mar 29, 2009 10:13 PM MDT up reply actions
Actually if it all goes to plan...
since today we’re reeling from Marquis’s start yesterday, Jorge is going to throw 6 scoreless with 8 K’s and tomorrow we’ll all be feeling good about our rotation.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Mar 26, 2009 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions
Colorado State just closed
but I am an essential employee of the school, so I must make my way there sometime around 2 ish.
We are at about 6-7 inches here in Fort Collins, with drifts at about a foot in places. And I don’t think we have hit the worst yet.
I think I need to move to Tucson.
I just got back in from snow-blowing the walk
and it was falling as fast as I cleared it.
by pedalpusher on Mar 26, 2009 12:05 PM MDT up reply actions
I think I need to move to Tucson.
Not as much good beer as in Colorado
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by DbacksSkins on Mar 26, 2009 12:32 PM MDT up reply actions
No.
I would live in Tucson from October (except years we make it to the playoffs) through April. Than to Colorado for the summer.
Making you
a Snowbird. Except the average age of Snowbirds is like 65.
Speaking of alcohol from Colorado, I recently had Stranahan’s small batch Colorado Whiskey. That’s some tasty stuff. (Which is why it’s hella expensive)
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by DbacksSkins on Mar 26, 2009 12:51 PM MDT up reply actions
Kinda like
how I describe myself as “Altitudinally Challenged”?
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Totally agree
on the Stranahan’s – I was going through alot of that last year – turned out i can’t afford $56 a week on whiskey.
"Better move your rental cars, I am about to take BP."
-Glendon Rusch
If you were going through
a bottle a week, it sounds like you might have had other stuff going on…?
Or maybe it’s just THAT tasty. Which is possible.
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If Marquis is our 3rd starter we are doomed...
to repeat April and May of 2008 (20 Wins 36 Losses). Unless someone solid can emerge from the bullpen to take over in the 4th or 5th inning. However the bullpen is already staggering from the loss of Bucky and Weathers. Unless a Morillo or Speier can step up and show they’re ready to take the stage the bullpen is going to go downhill in a hurry from the backend of this rotation.
"Never fall in or out of love too early in the Spring." ~ Tony La Russa
Royce Ring got released today
And once again, the Rockies should take a flier in the event that Embree blows.
Royce Ring Gets Released…Recently. Rah!
Seriously, he had a rough 2008, but he has solid HR control, a good K/BB, and hey look at that 57% GB! He was clearly a BABIP victim last year, and a bit wild, but could be a decent pickup.
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I'm definitely down for that move
He’s better than our current backup plan….mini-Ray King…
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Mar 26, 2009 3:29 PM MDT up reply actions
So did Brandon Donnelly
he looked good last night in the game I watched.
Too $$ for the O’Dowd wallet.
by PinchHitLancePainter on Mar 26, 2009 12:28 PM MDT reply actions
He's got Colorado ties
went to Mesa State in GJ.
(assuming you ment Brendon, who was just released by the Rangers)
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by frightened inmate #2 on Mar 26, 2009 12:34 PM MDT up reply actions
*meant
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by frightened inmate #2 on Mar 26, 2009 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions
Pedro Martinez
is starting to look better and better huh?
Rockies Mgr. Clint Hurdle on what needs improvement in 09: "Our Record"
HE PROMISES HE WILL BE A BARGIN!
From the Boston Herald:
JUPITER, Fla. — Pedro Martinez promised Monday to be a “bargain” for any team that ultimately chooses to sign the three-time Cy Young Award winner, but he’d sooner retire than accept an incentive-laden deal if it “disrespects” him.
In the meantime, the unemployed Martinez is embracing his current role as elder statesman for the Dominican Republic. Wearing his usual No. 45, he threw a bullpen session Monday and looked like the same Pedro, slim and apparently in good shape.
Rockies Mgr. Clint Hurdle on what needs improvement in 09: "Our Record"
I'm still interested, F da hatas
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 27, 2009 8:09 AM MDT up reply actions
WhOO HOO
that’s 2…and that’s the start of a movement!
Rockies Mgr. Clint Hurdle on what needs improvement in 09: "Our Record"
it really depends on what we have to pay him though
I’m not dumping $5M into Pedro Martinez if we couldn’t put it into Orlando Hudson
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 27, 2009 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions
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