Tuesday Rockpile: Dexter Fowler inches closer to roster spot at the expense of Matt Murton
by Andrew T. Fisher on Mar 31, 2009 7:00 AM MDT
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The Death of Meth Smirton
Matt Murton, a favorite for the fourth outfielder position since his acquisition, learned Monday that his strong spring was not enough to earn him a spot on the Opening Day roster.
With Murton being sent to AAA, it appears that the Rockies will choose two reserve outfielders from among Dexter Fowler, Scott Podsednik and Daniel Ortmeier. Of the four, only Podsednik has had a poor spring:
| Player | AB | Avg | HR | RBI | OBP | SLG | wOBA |
| Fowler | 61 | .311 | 0 | 4 | .362 | .443 | .389 |
| Murton | 53 | .302 | 2 | 5 | .362 | .453 | .392 |
| Ortmeier | 52 | .288 | 3 | 9 | .383 | .538 | .435 |
| Podsednik | 46 | .217 | 0 | 4 | .373 | .283 | .343 |
This pretty much guarantees an element of speed on the roster, as either Fowler or Podsednik will make the team. Given the redundency of their speed, that pretty much guarantees Ortmeier a spot if they go with five outfielders. Ringolsby has Fowler and Ortmeier leading the race. Last year in the final week, the front office made what to me was a suspect move.
This qualifies as the eyebrow raiser for 2009. Given that Podsednik is left-handed and Fowler and Ortmeier are switch-hitters, the only right-hander in the mix has been eliminated despite an impressive spring. If Jeff Baker is indeed traded, the only pure RH bat on the bench will be . . . Yorvit Torrealba? Still, Clint Hurdle says Murton will be back.
Other Casualties
Two members of the Matt Holliday trade were also optioned to Colorado Springs. Victims of lackluster springs, both Greg Smith and Carlos Gonzalez were optioned to AAA. C Paul Phillips, LHP Randy Flores and C Edwin Bellorin were also reassigned to minor league camp. The Rockies also cut Josh Fogg just hours after a strong outing Monday against Arizona.
More Notes
-Ed Price from MLB FanHouse reports the Rockies are interested in Rays RHP Jason Hammel. Hammel is competing with Jeff Niemann for the #5 rotation slot. Both are out of options and would not clear waivers, so the loser of the battle will be traded. If the Rockies acquire Hammel, he would presumably replace Franklin Morales in the rotation or slip into the bullpen. The Rays want a prospect from AA or lower.
-Jhouyls Chacin will start the season in AA Tulsa, earning the Opening Day nod for the third year in a row. Jack Etkin cites Colorado Springs weather and Drillers pitching coach Bryan Harvey as reasons for the decison.
-Tracy Ringolsby reports that the Rockies had the highest Spring Training attendance since 1998. Given the economy and drops in attendance in the Cactus League, that accomplishment is notable.
-Brian Cartwright at FanGraphs evaluates the accuracy of the projection models for the past few years. CHONE and Oliver appeared to be most accurate league-wide, though Marcel and Bill James projections were omitted.
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All right,
you should see the image now.
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Is it just me
or did the “preview” “post” and “cancel” buttons used to have square corners instead of round ones?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Mar 31, 2009 9:06 AM MDT up reply actions
Those were slightly altered.
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Ok good...
so I’m not going crazy. At least, not because of that.
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Holy crap – that’s pretty cool about the AP images.
What next – SBN writers voting for the HOF? :)
c’mon Dex – make the team!
Hmmm...I think I would preferr Niemmann over Hammel
The folks over at D Rays Bay think Hammel has a bit of a HR problem.
I'd definitely prefer Niemann
While Hammel may not be a bad pickup if we somehow got him, Why are we always settling for 2nd best?
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 31, 2009 8:57 AM MDT up reply actions
Well they're not going to trade the player that WINS the #5 spot...
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Mar 31, 2009 9:02 AM MDT up reply actions
ok fair enough
but we could help them make that decision much easier
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 31, 2009 9:04 AM MDT up reply actions
Okay
Who do you trade for Niemann?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Mar 31, 2009 9:05 AM MDT up reply actions
Roe, Weiser, Graham...
one of our top pitching prospects. I want Niemann on this team ASAP.
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by Jeff Aberle on Mar 31, 2009 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions
Well the reality is we're trading later for now
We need Niemann NOW and they could use Weiser or Roe in a year or so.
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 31, 2009 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions
but the problem is neither Weiser or Roe are up to Niemann's talent level
Graham’s pretty close, I think that might be an okay trade for them.
point
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 31, 2009 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions
UPDATE
Hammel was the favorite to win the spot, leaving Niemann the odd man out…but then Niemann threw six impressive scoreless innings yesterday in a minor league game. Even then…
Rosenthal says the Rays could keep both Jason Hammel and Jeff Niemann and cut Lance Cormier, if trade offers for the first two aren’t acceptable.
Might not want to lowball them if you have hopes of getting either
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Mar 31, 2009 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions
but we will
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 31, 2009 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions
I suspected that as well, given they otherwise have zero leverage
but the threat remains
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Mar 31, 2009 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions
Fine, do it. Throw in Mayora with Graham.
Niemann is BA
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by Jeff Aberle on Mar 31, 2009 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions
Hysterical
Just read the post at the Rays blog about the Hammel rumor, which basically boils down to “Hammel sucks. I bet we can get Fowler or EY Jr. or Chris Nelson for him!”
Sometimes I don’t think I smoke nearly enough crack to post on internet baseball websites.
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And the Matt Holliday trade
somehow justifies any of those three guys in their opinion.
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It's definitely sort of funny to read...
He’s going to blow for you Rockies, so you should give us something valuable for him.
BTW, any Rays fans lurkers, take a look at the MLB leaderboards for HR’s allowed the last couple of seasons and notice how many Rockies are sitting near the top of them. It’s sort of funny, isn’t it? I mean this team plays in Coors Field, right, there should be lots of Rockies up there, right? It’s almost as if there’s something up with that…
Well it's all fans...not just the Rays
Look at hopes for any Jeff Baker or Torrealba trade here. Many think we will get a #4 type pitcher young, controllable, with upside for Baker, and Yorvit will have a lot of demand, despite the fact he throws like a 6 year old girl and has a contract that pays him 4 million dollars this year.
Now if the Rays will take a middle infield utility type guy or prospect…we got buckets of em.
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Oh, I hear ya
Which is why when I say I feel not chemically altered enough to post at internet baseball websites, I’m including this one – ha ha.
I’d do a Hammel-for-Daniel Mayora trade, and I think Hammel could stick all year as a swingman – he’s gotta be better than Glendon Rusch.
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And reading those posts....
The fans would have been happy with a 1B who could make an impact in a year or two. Hmmm….to bad we didn’t have anyone like that who we just place on waivers….
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by frightened inmate #2 on Mar 31, 2009 8:58 AM MDT up reply actions
Waivers and a recently lost 1B prospect...
I’m assuming you mean JoKo. Why would they want to trade one player that can’t clear waivers for another? My guess is that’s why they are asking for a AA type player that has options remaining.
Once again
As I iterated yesterday, I’m willing to accept a case of Coors Light in exchange for Yorvit.
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Oh thanks
It’s a busy news day, so there’s a lot of material. I was going to look at the starting line-up’s spring stats to inflate the fan base’s March optimism, but I didn’t have room
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Mar 31, 2009 9:55 AM MDT up reply actions
I know we could use SP depth
but I think I am in the minority in wanting to see what Morales can do to start the year. I would not have a problem in adding depth though.
As far as the roster goes, does anyone think there is still a chance that neither Dex or Pods make it? I am thinking a bench of Torre, Q, Baker, Ortmeier, and Stewart. We would still have 3 guys that can play the OF, along w/ 4 that can play the IF. I know that leaves a hole in CF backup, but Seth Smith can play there when we need to give Spilly a rest. This is not ideal for defensive purposes, but I just don’t like keeping Pods, and Dex needs to be playing everyday.
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If this team keeps Ortmeier over Fowler...
they’re dumber than ten dogs. What is with the sudden fascination this team has with Ortmeier? If you aren’t good enough to crack the fearsome San Francisco Giants lineup, that should be a clue that you can’t freaking hit.
Also, I don’t think you’re in any way the minority re: Morales. One of the ways I will judge this season, record and place in standings notwithstanding, will be the answer to the question “Has Franklin Morales become a top-three member of the rotation?”
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At least Podsednik has a skill set that no one else has
Namely, base-stealing speed and above-average ability defensively in CF. If Dexter Fowler didn’t exist, I’d be saying that Podsednik damn well better make the team, as nobody else on the current spring roster can claim those abilities.
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At least Podsednik has a skill set that no one else has
Except Fowler. I don’t see how both can be kept.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Mar 31, 2009 9:20 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't think both will be kept.
But if they’re dead set on having Fowler in the minors, I’d rather have Podsednik than Ortmeier.
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I think they keep both Dex and Ort
Dex brings the speed and they are both switch hitters. Plus Ort has had the better spring than Murton. I was surprised with the Murton demotion but I do like what Ort brings.
Respectfully,
You’ve been driving the Ortmeier bandwagon around here, and I have to wonder why. I’m assuming you saw him this spring – I only remember seeing him when he was with the Giants. Can I ask what exactly it is that Ortmeier brings that you like? Just curious because when this guy was brought aboard I was pretty sure he immediately started apartment hunting in greater El Paso County.
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You're correct. I saw him in Tucson.
What I like is that he’s a switch hitter that provides another right handed bat, he can play both OF and 1st and he has never made a ML error. And those first two are going to be needed if we ever trade Bake and/or Atkins. He doesn’t have much power but I don’t really think we’re going to need that with our lineup.
I think Pods speed, while somewhat impressive, is overrated. How many chances will he get to steal while on the bench? And with our expected hitting ability, smart baserunning will be more important that pure speed. Being able to go from 1st to 3rd for instance. The only time Pods speed will come into play, IMO, would be when he comes in as a defensive replacement. And besides, if we keep Dex in Denver, we don’t really need him.
Pods
could also be used as a Pinch Runner, late in a close game
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Yeah....
while you’re at it, why don’t you go get Willy T back?
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I agree with the premise
That Dexter makes Podsednik redundant. I GET THIS. I swear to God, I do. I’m not advocating for Podsednik OVER Fowler, but Podsednik over Ortmeier IF the powers that be send Fowler down.
How many chances will Ortmeier have to not make errors when he’s on the bench? (I guess a lot, actually, hard to make errors at the Gatorade cooler.) And besides, with Baker currently on the roster, we dont’ need a right-handed bat for the sake of having a right handed bat. We need a real big league CF to patrol the middle ground in the 9th inning as a defensive replacement. And while Podsednik’s not great, he’s not Steve Finley, either.
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You know the really great thing IMO
is that if we’re quibbling over whether to keep PODS or Ort, we’re in a pretty good spot.
But I do agree with you that if we send Dex back to CS, we’ll need another CF. I think I would rather keep him here, start him in CF and see how he does. That way we could slide Spilly to LF. But if that happens then we’ve got the brouhaha about what to do with Smith. And if we’ve got talent everywhere, we’ll be all right.
by pedalpusher on Mar 31, 2009 10:08 AM MDT up reply actions
So to make my statement clear as possible:
IF they keep Fowler, this argument is moot.
IF they send Fowler down, I’d rather have Podsednik than Ortmeier so that we don’t have the slowest team in baseball history with nobody capable of playing an above-average CF.
IF Baker is traded, I’d rather have Murton than Ortmeier because Murton is better than Ortmeier.
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by Franchise26 on Mar 31, 2009 10:08 AM MDT up reply actions
If Fowler is kept
than you are right, most of this argument is moot, but I’m not sure why everyone around here thinks we should keep Dex in Denver so he can sit on the bench. I think we all know he won’t start and coming in defensively in the 8th or 9th inning once in awhile is not going to prepare him and get him AB’s when the time comes for him to be a ML starter. I just think he needs to be our starting CFer or in AAA and I don’t think he’s ready to be our starting CFer.
Secondly I’m not big on Ortmeier at all, and I would rather have Murton, but if the choices are Ortmeier or Pods for the final spot, I would take Ortmeier even if that made us the slowest team in the history of baseball. Speed is overrated if you can’t get on base. Granted he could help late defensively, but so could Willy T, why didn’t we keep him for a defensive replacement? I just think we all know we are losing something in CF by starting Spilly, but we are gaining in offense, so we have to deal w/ that at the end of games too. I just don’t think its worth a roster spot for the 1 out of every 30 games Pods might save us a late run, if that.
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Oh and Ortmeier may get us a run
to win a game late, where as Pods doesn’t give us that option as a PHer.
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Well, you're gonna have to weigh that
against the hot wife factor, which most decidedly favors Podsednik.
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by DbacksSkins on Mar 31, 2009 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions
I dunno, never seen Ort's wife. He married?
Just how many wins a year are we talking when you factor in hot-wifeness?
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by frightened inmate #2 on Mar 31, 2009 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions
Dunno.
If you were a Rockie, and saw Pods’ wife watching and wanted to impress her, how much better/more confidently would you swing?
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by DbacksSkins on Mar 31, 2009 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions
Or would she make you just flub it up...
Trying too hard to impress her.
Somebody really needs to make a study on this.
Well, that's MY hope,
that it backfires.
Case in point: Eric Byrnes in 2008, after marrying a hot wife.
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by DbacksSkins on Mar 31, 2009 11:29 AM MDT up reply actions
*Pad Squadder,
but yeah. He did.
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by DbacksSkins on Mar 31, 2009 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions
That doesn't even make sense
pad doesn’t rhyme with squad, at least not in contemporary American English.
But it's not contemporary American English.
It’s an abbreviation for a Spanish word — “Padre”.
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by DbacksSkins on Mar 31, 2009 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions
Sometimes, yes,
and not just on the intarwebz, either. In real life too sometimes.
I get it from my mom.
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by DbacksSkins on Mar 31, 2009 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions
Given the success of Kris Benson, Eric Byrnes and Scott Podsednik
I’d venture to say the first-degree win factor would be negative for the HWF.
Then again, Jeff Garcia seems to be doing alright…
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Mar 31, 2009 11:32 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah,
but that’s because Jeff Garcia’s actually gay, remember?
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by DbacksSkins on Mar 31, 2009 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't think RMN will like the direction of this convo ;-)
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Mar 31, 2009 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions
huh?
Jeff Garcia sucks, what’s your point?
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 31, 2009 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions
He has overachieved his ability, imo
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Mar 31, 2009 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't like overachievers?
hawat?
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 31, 2009 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions
Jeff Garcia’s actually gay
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Mar 31, 2009 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions
i don't care who he likes
I’m quite lost here
I called DBS gay once too?
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 31, 2009 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions
Relevant comment is gone
You said you didn’t like the direction of a conversation a while back when people started talking about gay people
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Mar 31, 2009 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions
I think it was because it was bordering on offensive or bashing or homophobia or something
And everyone is welcome here… come on pf you can get on board that
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 31, 2009 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions
Hmmm....
I don’t think there was anything the slightest bit offensive about my comment…
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by DbacksSkins on Mar 31, 2009 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions
didn't say there was
who said there was?
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 31, 2009 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions
::shrug::
PF, or RG, or whoever deleted it?
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by DbacksSkins on Mar 31, 2009 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions
Not me
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Mar 31, 2009 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions
Sarcasm target missed
oh well
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Mar 31, 2009 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions
This
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by DbacksSkins on Mar 31, 2009 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions
What about....
Mark Kotsay and Jaime Kotsay? Or Alyssa Milano and the entire Dodgers’ team?
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by DbacksSkins on Mar 31, 2009 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions
jose lima's wife
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 31, 2009 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions
What's she look like?
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by DbacksSkins on Mar 31, 2009 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions
check the link
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 31, 2009 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions
Wow....
agreed.
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by DbacksSkins on Mar 31, 2009 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions
Update
Quick google image search of “Mrs. Dan Ortmeier” brought up the SB Nation page of the Giants. Advantage Pods
That doesn’t count as leeching, does it?
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by frightened inmate #2 on Mar 31, 2009 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions
I'd rather they keep Fowler down
Than have him starting twice a week and PH-ing/defensive replacing at the big league level. But that’s a matter of organizational philosophy as far as what they feel is best for his development.
Podsednik’s career OBP is 28 points higher than Ortmeier’s, and the one time Ortmeier got a real big league opportunity, he walked 7 times in 157 ABs. That’s Taveras-esque.
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by Franchise26 on Mar 31, 2009 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions
Pods seems to be more on the downside
of his career to me though. Again I would rather have Murton over both of these 2, but given the options I still take Ortmeier. I think he also gives us a little more pop if we need a late HR.
On the flip side, just given the wife factor, I’d call it a dead heat!
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I don't think Dex should be on the bench
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 31, 2009 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions
Futile helpless agreement
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Mar 31, 2009 11:35 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't either.
I think he should start in centerfield with the Rocks.
What would the better OF be?: Spilly, LF; Dex, CF; Hawpe, RF or Smith, LF; Spilly, CF; Hawpe RF. I just think we’re a better baseball team with Dex in center.
Will he have some growing pains? Sure. But if he’s all we think he is (or can be), let’s find out.
Dumb as ten dogs....or wiley as cheap fox?
I think the best 25 players has Fowler on the Rockies team….but he needs what 2 months and a few to avoid being a super-2 and give the Rockies another year to control him before free-agency. That’s a savings of several million bucks…..and knowing the Scrooges Monforts….well I assume Dex will be in CS
I also want to see Morales. He’s still young, has stuff, is wild sure, but I like that upside. I even liked seeing him get flustered, and try to throw his fastball 97mph past a hitter (and then miss the strike zone high as he was over throwing….)
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The Rays did something very similar with Longoria last year
Of course, Longoria had no big league service time, while Fowler has the September call-up from last year under his belt.
And interestingly, I don’t remember the Rays being ridiculed as ‘cheap’ for keeping Longoria on the farm. Must just be our owners, then.
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Well
the Rays were looked on like the poor trailer trash of major league baseball, so being “frugal” was just assumed.
And to be fair…if I was the owners of the Rockies, I might want Fowler in AAA to save a few mill, even if I had it to spend.
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To be fair again,
the Rays signed him to a huge extension very soon after he hit the bigs.
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Braun was surprising sent down
after ST despite the widely accepted idea that he was ready
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Mar 31, 2009 9:22 AM MDT up reply actions
Happens
ALL THE TIME.
Tommy Hanson – sent down.
David Price – sent down.
Matt Weiters – sent down.
All 3 of those guys are very ready to play at the MLB level.
The one situation that may be comparable to this right now is Jordan Schaffer with the Braves – it looks like they are keeping him up to start in CF this spring and maybe even lead off, and he has even less time at AA than Dex.
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Parra's problem
is that he doesn’t really have anywhere to play right now – he’s not better right now than Jackson, Young or Upton. Which, I suppose you might be able to say about Hanson as well.
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Yup.
I think the plan right now is that Parra’s slated to take over Byrnes’ spot when that contract finally ends….
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That contract made me chuckle
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Mar 31, 2009 9:49 AM MDT up reply actions
I was
cautiously optimistic, recognizing that we were obviously overpaying based on one career year…. and then we traded Quentin… and then Byrnes got injured… and then CoJack was a plus defender in LF… etc.
At least it wasn’t for 5 years, like his agent wanted.
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He's bound to get hurt
running into an OF wall or sliding into first base or running his mouth off. I guess they could call up Parra when one/all of those things happen.
"Better move your rental cars, I am about to take BP."
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I'm not sure
whether I would be happy or upset if that happened. Probably upset — I do still like Byrnes as a player and as a guy. Just not at that price.
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For as much as
he gets trashed by Rockies fans and media I like him as well. He speaks his mind and generally is right. He has always hustled and played the game the right way.
"Better move your rental cars, I am about to take BP."
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"speaks his mind"....
Heh…. yeah, that’s pretty true. There is no lie in Byrnes. Gets him into trouble sometimes, though.
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by DbacksSkins on Mar 31, 2009 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions
He reacted well to the Coors Field booooo’s of the 2007 NLCS. Although now that I think of it – it may have driven him into sleeping with Jeannie Zelasko and he really hasn’t played since that happened.
"Better move your rental cars, I am about to take BP."
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Of course he reacted well.
He loves attention, and he loves fans.
You think Zelasko is like Kim Basinger in The Natural?
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by DbacksSkins on Mar 31, 2009 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions
What
do you think would happen to your er…mojo…after it was in Zelasko…..
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She's married,
so hopefully not much….
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by DbacksSkins on Mar 31, 2009 12:23 PM MDT up reply actions
Actually ...
I DO remember some folks criticizing the Rays for sending Longoria down in an apparent attempt to delay his arb/FA. Of course, I was one of those folks, so I might be overly rememberative of those comments.
I am really confused as to this Murton demotion
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Me too...here's my initial gut feeling:
It’s to raise the value of Jeff Baker. Sending Murton down opens a roster spot for Baker, and thus any potential trade partner won’t sit and wait for Baker to be waived. If they want Baker, they will have to actually give the Rockies something.
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+1
If they want Baker, they’ll have to give something in return.
by rockieprogress on Mar 31, 2009 9:12 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm running numbers at the moment to try and make heads or tails out of this
And I’ll post the results and then expound upon them in CR tomorrow.
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 31, 2009 9:35 AM MDT up reply actions
Oh goodie
Solid CR idea. I think that can be a running theme…statistical analysis of roster moves, you know, when there are roster moves…
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Mar 31, 2009 9:43 AM MDT up reply actions
As am I, as is RG and most Rockies fans that I know
Hurdle says he impressed and “will be back,” so it’s not a matter of the FO not liking him (if you believe Clint). I realize Ort and Fowler are stronger hitters from the RH side than left, but Meth Smirton made too much sense
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Mar 31, 2009 9:08 AM MDT up reply actions
Is it a sign
that Baker will not be traded at all?
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by PioneerSkies on Mar 31, 2009 6:07 PM MDT up reply actions
For what its worth
the Tigres released the Sheff-now I know it would take money so it’s out of the question but he’d be a nice stopgap. If Vegas were taking bets on Gary’s numbers against a Pods/Smith/Murton/Ort combo I’d take Sheff and the Over.
I know he’s more of a DH type because of injuries but the offense would benefit
InToddwetrust
And as long as we're dreaming, I'd like a pony.
Sure, if a 40-year old malcontent would take a drastic pay cut to basically be a skinnier, angrier Lenny Harris, it’d be really neat. It’d be even neater if Jason Marquis’ body could be inhabited by the spirit of Christy Mathewson, and almost every bit as likely.
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Shef
will be making $14 Million dollars from the Tigers. It will only cost the team signing him a pro-rated (at this point 100%) of the league minimum salary.
Now…why would anyone want a guy that is being paid $14 Million to NOT play basebal.
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You're right, my bad
But my point about ‘Why in the holy hell would Sheffield want to come to Denver to be our verison of Rusty Staub, and moreover, where in the holy hell would we find space on our roster for somebody who has less business wearing one glove than Michael Jackson?’ still stands.
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Because we could overinflate his numbers and maybe get him a new contract?
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 31, 2009 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions
With 100 at-bats?
Letting this man stand in left field would be grounds for a class-action lawsuit from any and all pitchers on our team with fly-ball tendencies.
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Except
that the humidor means Coors overinflates numbers less than it used to, yet it still carries almost the same reputation. (Undeserved, now)
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Did anyone realize that TODAY was Opening Day last year?
You know, until the rain pushed it to April Fools Day. The day Kip Wells fooled us into thinking his signing just might be worth it.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Mar 31, 2009 9:58 AM MDT reply actions
A year ago today
I was sitting in the rain watching Eric Gagne blow a save, checking the internet on my phone for STL weather updates every 5 minutes.
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Yep and late Oct is way too early for the World Series
by pedalpusher on Mar 31, 2009 10:33 AM MDT up reply actions
whoops...make that way too late for the World Series
by pedalpusher on Mar 31, 2009 10:33 AM MDT up reply actions
November
is even worse…
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by DbacksSkins on Mar 31, 2009 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions
Then the only solutions
are to the scrap the ASB, shorten the season, or cut out off days in the playoffs
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Mar 31, 2009 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions
Get rid of off days in the playoffs
It’s stupid how long it takes, and it screwed the Rockies back when they swept the d-backs and had to wait for the red sox
by Chacinisthefuture on Mar 31, 2009 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions
I was
going to make this same point…
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by DbacksSkins on Mar 31, 2009 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions
Though I have a feeling
you wouldn’t have mentioned the sweep
by Chacinisthefuture on Mar 31, 2009 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions
Well,
it’s relevant, if you believe in momentum in beisbol.
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by DbacksSkins on Mar 31, 2009 11:35 AM MDT up reply actions
I do
when your team inferior starting pitching
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Mar 31, 2009 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions
That
doesn’t even make sense… what??
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by DbacksSkins on Mar 31, 2009 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions
Momentum is your next day's starter
pretend he said that
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 31, 2009 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions
I think
that might be the opposite of what he was saying, but…
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by DbacksSkins on Mar 31, 2009 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions
PRETEND
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 31, 2009 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions
Doesn't follow directions very well, does he...
I think we should send him back to the ’Pit for an upgrade troll. Is Azreous available? He seems pretty good…
Azreous
is like a cell phone plan. He’s pretty much only available for nights and weekends.
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by DbacksSkins on Mar 31, 2009 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions
or something from WoW
/not a nerd
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 31, 2009 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions
something like that
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Mar 31, 2009 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions
So 6 days instead of 8
we were hosed either way
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 31, 2009 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions
^ This
It’s ridiculous to watch a World Series that takes nearly 2 weeks. There’s absolutely no reason to have off days between games that are played in the same city. The World Series should take 9 days at most: 2 game days, travel day, 3 game days, travel day, 2 game days.
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There’s absolutely no reason to have off days between games that are played in the same city.
Better TV time slots.
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by DbacksSkins on Mar 31, 2009 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions
Shorten the season once every 4 years
so we can have a July WBC
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 31, 2009 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions
Record books hate this
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Mar 31, 2009 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions
bring back double headers!
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by PioneerSkies on Mar 31, 2009 6:11 PM MDT up reply actions
What's the "consensus"
on the number of pitchers/position players we’re having on the 25?
Is it 14 players 11 pitchers? 15-10?
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Based on this 13-man cutoff
Our top 13 has the following players, the best in 5 different batting metrics (all just using ST stats):
Helton
Spilborghs
Atkins
Iannetta
Hawpe
Stewart
Fasano
Smith
Ortmeier
Baker
Koshansky => I pasted stats off of the Rockies homepage and forgot to take him out. I made myself sad :-(
Torrealba
Barmes
And the final man, with Koshansky out -
Is not unanimous! The previous 12 all make the team based on 5/6 metrics.
However the 13th man, with 4 of the above 5 metrics pulling for him, actually gets the 6th metric to vote for him:
Omar Quintanilla
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 31, 2009 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't know where I got the number 6
Subtract 1…I have 5 metrics total. 3 like Q, 1 likes Dex, and the other is all over the place
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 31, 2009 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm going with 11 P and 14 PPs
Exactly when does the 25 man roster have to be set?
by pedalpusher on Mar 31, 2009 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions
Based on 14 men
The above 12 make it, Q makes it in 3/5, and I have Murton making it in 3/5 as well.
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 31, 2009 11:00 AM MDT up reply actions
So Tulo's just going to play for the Sky Sox, then?
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by Franchise26 on Mar 31, 2009 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions
yeah it's sad right
Not a hot spring.
It’s more for the purpose of seeing some surprise guys in there.
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 31, 2009 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions
So this is less a...
“These guys should make the team because these exhibition numbers say so” than it is a “These exhibition numbers say these guys should make the team”. Got ya.
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by Franchise26 on Mar 31, 2009 11:16 AM MDT up reply actions
absolutely
It’s really just crunching numbers and saying “THESE GUYS WIN”
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 31, 2009 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions
Assuming
Helton
Barmes
Tulo
Atkins
Spilborghs
Hawpe
Iannetta
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 31, 2009 11:16 AM MDT up reply actions
The Benches/LF are made up of
Stewart
Baker
Fasano
Ortmeier
Smith
Torrealba
JUST BASED ON WHO DID BEST IN ST
If we assume only 1 backup catcher….Yorvy is out, and Q is in
If we add another guy to the bench, Murton is in
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 31, 2009 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions
Here's my take:
Fowler and Ortmeier will be sent down while Pods is kept as a backup CF/speed guy. The Rockies will have a bench of Baker, Q, Stewart, Pods, and Torrealba—giving the Rockies two backup corner outfielders and one backup CF.
They will have 12 pitchers on the team…the debate is whether it will be Morales or Belisle taking the last spot.
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12 pitchers
Cook, Jimenez, De La Rosa, Marquis
Street, Corpas, Embree, Grilli, Speier, Morillo, Rusch
An interesting thought is to keep Belisle and let Morales stay on a starters throwing schedule until the Rox need him in their rotation.
Also, am I crazy, or does the back end of that bull pen decidedly not suck, especially once we bump Morillo for Buchholz come May?
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by Franchise26 on Mar 31, 2009 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions
Why send Fowler and Ortmeier down?
Well, Ortmeier is still here only because he isn’t taking up a place on the 40 man roster and is insurance for a Baker trade…if Jeff is traded, Ortmeier makes the roster. As it is, Pods, Baker and Stewart are adequate as OF depth.
Fowler, as I’ve stated before, is too valuable to the Rockies’ future to not keep in the minors for a couple of years and avoiding Super Two status. That’s how I would do it if I were running the team…well that, and bring Murton back, dumping the redundant and replaceable Q.
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by Jeff Aberle on Mar 31, 2009 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions
Ortmeier had a solid spring, outplayed Murton, and earned a spot Says I
and says OPS, wOBA, DPA, Base Runs, and Total Average.
And you’d keep fowler down for a couple of YEARS? How much more development do you think he needs?
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 31, 2009 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions
er..months is what I meant. Sorry, until mid-June
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by Jeff Aberle on Mar 31, 2009 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions
Enemies
you almost made a bunch with that typo
by Chacinisthefuture on Mar 31, 2009 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions
The numbers do say that
But why put more emphasis on a 60 PA sample than, oh, say, the last four years, during some of which Murton has been a productive major league hitter and Ortmeier has had the occasional daydream about being a productive major league hitter while sitting at a Fresno Denny’s for a pregame meal?
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by Franchise26 on Mar 31, 2009 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions
I strained my metaphor there at bit
But – and it comes back to sample size – if Murton doesn’t go 3-for-30 with the A’s last year, making his 08 look horrendous instead of just bad, are we even comparing the two players in terms of past success? My point is that Murton has demonstrated, over multiple seasons, the ability to hit, recognize the strike zone, and hit for power at the big league level, and the next time Ortmeier shows all three of those things over a similar amount of big league ABs as Murton had in his best season will be the first.
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by Franchise26 on Mar 31, 2009 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions
now no need to get snippy here
Ortmeier has the flashier bat right now. Murton has the better track record. You could make a case for either.
But unless Hurdle seriously plans on employing the whole Platoon thing with Murton and Smith, he might as well get regular ABs rather than sit and stew.
But then again, we might have a month of Mabry 2.0 with Ortmeier.
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 31, 2009 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions
My snippiness isn't directed at you
Rather, at the folks who sent Murton down in the first place.
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by Franchise26 on Mar 31, 2009 11:29 AM MDT up reply actions
The folks who sent Murton down
are probably not even reading this. “Mystifying” is a proper word for the reasoning behind sending Murton to AAA.
they trade for murton
and then send him down.
They’re really not making themselves look good.
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 31, 2009 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions
When I imagine the Rockies front office
I’m thinking about the Career Builders commercials with the monkeys in a corporate board room.
Really?
You don’t think Dan O’Dowd’s chilling at his desk right now sipping a Coke Zero and browsing the Row? Come on, man, give me a little credit. I’m just speaking in general terms.
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by Franchise26 on Mar 31, 2009 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions
Ortmeier won't make the team anyway, so don't worry about it.
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by Jeff Aberle on Mar 31, 2009 11:29 AM MDT up reply actions
They had better not waste Dex on the bench
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 31, 2009 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions
Like I said above...
neither Ort nor Dex will make the team.
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by Jeff Aberle on Mar 31, 2009 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions
Problem is
BOTH are better than Scotty Pods.
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 31, 2009 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions
The difference with why Murton and Ort is
their contracts we can send Murton down we can’t send Ort well just cut him at the end of ST probably (correct me if I’m wrong please)
by Chacinisthefuture on Mar 31, 2009 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm hoping
You meant a couple of months and not a couple of years, regarding the length of time you think is appropriate for Dex to be in the minors
by Chacinisthefuture on Mar 31, 2009 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions
Hey Chuck Tiffany got released
We should kick the A+ tires on this guy
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lots of links
it was a good rockpile
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 31, 2009 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions
No one even commented on the last three links either
or THE DRAGON SLAYER. It was a busy news day.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Mar 31, 2009 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions
I think everyone just sighed when they released fogg
and we decided not to talk about it in hopes that mentioning his name doesn’t make him rejoin the team a la bloody mary
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 31, 2009 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions
They released him?
I thought he was just reassigned…
by Greg Stanwood on Mar 31, 2009 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions
well it's really up to him
He has no options, so the team can either play him in the majors or release him i think
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 31, 2009 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions
Must be a really slow
day at work for everybody. I know this class could be over sooner and I wouldn’t complain.
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oh it's a normal work day
I’m just not working and oh my god it’s noon
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 31, 2009 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions
Just noticed that myself
At the rate our comments are going todays’ game thread could get really out of hand, and by regular season who knows…
by Chacinisthefuture on Mar 31, 2009 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions
is the game on the radio today
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 31, 2009 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions
No, but there might be a free webcast
Looking into it.
by Greg Stanwood on Mar 31, 2009 12:02 PM MDT up reply actions
Hmm
There is no video feed listed in the media guyide, but both the Rox and WS schedules have MLBTV listed in their schedules. This means there is either a hidden webcast independent of MLBTV like there was against the Dodgers earlier, or the broadcast was canceled and the schedules were never updated.
by Greg Stanwood on Mar 31, 2009 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions
Well I tried to make a Meth Smirton morph for RoxGirl
But it ended up being an abomination and I couldn’t find a high def picture of smith.
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yeah
If you wanna try check out Morph Thing
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 31, 2009 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions
I was going to attempt that as well
But my brain stopped functioning at midnight. Nice try though
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Mar 31, 2009 2:26 PM MDT up reply actions
My two cents
I actually read through the entire thread so far and found it quite entertaining.
Glad to see we are debating the last bench spot and not the starters for opening day. I’m for keeping Fowler in AAA for a couple of months – Yes for Super Two reasons. Had we not viable options to start the season, I would think differently.
Smart move sending Murton down and showcasing Baker for a couple of weeks. Who knows maybe there will be an early season injury on another club that opens up our options for moving him.
FWIW – Mrs. Podsednik handsdown over Mrs. Benson.
TGFPR!!
Apparently Jason Jennings is looking alright in Texas
2ER through 10IP of relief work.
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