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Rockies Farm Report: Looking at Rockies Prospects ages 22-24

I've mentioned this before, but I don't like top 100 prospect lists. They are simply not specific enough about a team's strength to tell you much. If your team has six top 100 players, it might sound great in theory, but if four can only play first base or DH and two are pitchers, your system might not be as strong as the quantity of prospects would lead you to believe.

Similarly, if three of your top 100 players are 24 years old, and three are 18, another issue arises in that the peaks of these players won't match, the 24 year olds will either be long gone, too expensive to keep any longer, or already in decline when the 18 year old prospects start contributing. For this reason, I like it when publications break it down a little further by position as Baseball America has done in this week's issue. Subscribers to BA can find that article online here. If you are a subscriber, and I strongly encourage it if you love following prospects as much as I do, also be sure to check out Ben Badler's piece on how the Rockies wait it out approach to international signings has paid off in a big way. And in a bit of a pleasant surprise, read Jack Etkin's article about the return to the organization of 2005 draftee Kyle Hancock.

The simple formula to figuring out whether your team is on the right track with its farm system is to consider each position separately and look for top 15 caliber players in the same age range, or top six/seven caliber players in your team's league. So if you show to me that you have top 15 prospects at several positions between 22 and 24 years old (with quality big leaguers or lots of money filling in the gaps) and at least three top 45 pitchers, I will buy your team's near contention status a lot quicker than if you just say, "Look at how many prospectz we haz, loozer."

Because BA was so kind in breaking out top lists by position like this, we can take a closer look at how the Rockies are stacking up relative to the rest of the National League. This week I'm going to start with that most important 22-24 year old age range. Because these players are closer to contributing in a big way, it's easier to project success or failure three to five seasons down the road. I'm going to look at each position and try to make a determination if the Rockies are on the right track, or if they should be looking for better prospects/players to fill the gaps.

Since in the end not having prospects doesn't matter if you have young Major Leaguers already at the position, I will consider all of the players in the Rockies organization in that age range for this exercise and even extend the view one year either direction to get a real sense of what the team will be looking at. Most of the players that are still prospects should be with the Tulsa Drillers or Colorado Springs Sky Sox by the end of 2009 if things are going particularly well, but reality will have a few held back in Modesto.

 

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Michael McKenry

#67 / Catcher / Colorado Rockies

5-10

200

R

R

Mar 04, 1985


C - Michael McKenry (BA rank #25) - Catcher is a particularly deep minor league position right now, so while McKenry looks on the outside of that top 15 barrier at first glance, closer inspection shows he might be a lot closer to being a contender worthy player. Eight of the catchers ahead of him are 20 years old or less (including Wilin Rosario) which immediately should put them in a separate category.

Few of the catchers left in his age group could match his defensive abilities and a handful may have to switch positions in the near future. Another issue is that the catchers are concentrated among a few teams who have multiple players on the list. Many are in the AL (thank you LA for trading Carlos Santana away) so that once you strip down the list to the players that McKenry currently projects to be in competition with, it certainly appears he's capable of being a top NL receiver. If you narrow the list to only NL catchers 21-24 years old, McKenry would be eighth, which is close enough to passing considering a couple of the players ahead of him are likely to drop or switch positions and the Brewers can't have both their catchers play at once.

A solid season in 2009 for McKenry should keep Rockies fans secure that their backstop will remain a solid piece of the puzzle until Rosario arrives.

1B- None. The Rockies really aren't in a good position at first, the team needs an impact corner bat in the system.


Chris Nelson

#64 / Short Stop / Colorado Rockies

5-11

175

R

R

Sep 03, 1985


2B- None. This isn't nearly as bad as the first base issue since we have Chris Nelson. The unimpressive list of top NL second base prospects 21-24 is limited to Chris Coghlan, Ivan Dejesus Jr., Shelby Ford and Eric Sogard. Nelson could and should be better than all four if he plays up to his potential. Eric Young Jr. could be right in the lower part of this range as well. Regardless of who it is, the Rockies need one or both to show they are ready for that next step in AAA this year.


Ian Stewart

#9 / Third Base / Colorado Rockies

6-3

205

L

R

Apr 05, 1985


3B - None. As with second base, I look at the top of the list in Mat Gamel and Todd Frazier, and suspect that Ian Stewart (24) should be just fine as an NL contender worthy starter even though he no longer qualifies for these lists.


Troy Tulowitzki

#2 / Short Stop / Colorado Rockies

6-3

205

R

R

Oct 10, 1984


SS-None. Even though I'm going to technically disqualify him from the bold print. With my comments, I'm considering 21 year olds like Hector Gomez (#11) in this age category as well, as they're capable of sliding into either the older or younger group of prospects depending on when they peak. Still as with third base, the Rockies already have a solid player in this age range even if Gomez doesn't qualify. No worries at short stop for the moment.


Carlos Gonzalez

#5 / Center Field / Colorado Rockies

6-1

200

L

L

Oct 17, 1985



Corner outfield -
None. This is why looking more closely at the context is important sometimes. The NL corner outfielders listed in BA's top 20 between those 21-24 ages are Dominic Brown, Michael Saunders, Daryl Jones, Michael Taylor, Kellen Kulbacki and Cedric Taylor. How would Carlos Gonzalez fit with these players? If he's able to get an acceptable rate of contact, just fine, but that's a particularly big if. If Charlie Blackmon skips Asheville and lands in Modesto to start the year, he could also be in range of these players, right now I'm cautiously optimistic about our corner OF's in this age range, but added offensive depth certainly wouldn't hurt. One of my future farm reports, btw, is going to look in detail at how while we complain about a lack of power in our outfield prospects, Brad Hawpe's horrific defense should be telling us that the team is in fact, going about this the right way at the lower levels in looking closely at outfield defense as a bigger part of the puzzle.


Dexter Fowler

#24 / Center Field / Colorado Rockies

6-4

175

B

R

Mar 22, 1986



Center Field-
Dexter Fowler #3. No explanation or justification necessary here. Fowler should be great.


Ubaldo Jimenez

#38 / Pitcher / Colorado Rockies

6-4

200

R

R

Jan 22, 1984



Righthanded Starters-None
. Ubaldo Jimenez falls outside the 22-24 age range on the top end, Jhoulys Chacin (#10) falls outside it at the bottom end, but their proximity to it leaves us okay here, especially when you consider that Connor Graham and Shane Lindsay have the stuff to make the top 45, if not the polish just yet.


Franklin Morales

#56 / Pitcher / Colorado Rockies

6-0

170

L

L

Jan 24, 1986



Lefthanded Starters-None
. Christian Friedrich (#10) suffers from my same arbitrary age cut-off that Chacin does, but our LHP's otherwise just don't quite add up when you consider only prospects. Add in ineligibles Franklin Morales and the just too old Greg Smith, however, and overall, our list of young starters age 21-25 could compete with anybody in the NL.


Casey Weathers

#50 / Pitcher / Colorado Rockies

6-1

200

R

R

Jun 10, 1985



Relievers-
None. Clearly concern over how Casey Weathers comes back from surgery kept him from getting notice, but not even an "X-factor" mention? Come on. At any rate, if he does come back well, he could be as good or better than anybody currently on BA's list. I will mention once again that Xavier Cedeno will surprise a lot of people when he's converted to a fulltime reliever, and Will Harris and others leave the Rockies in decent shape, especially once we get David Patton back from the Cubs.

Conclusion: So if you look at a 3-6 year peak window for players in the 22-24 age range, the Rockies seem to be building a very solid 2011-2014 team at the moment, with few visible holes. I would like to see more depth at the corners and a big bat or two added to the group, and as the saying goes, you can never have enough pitching. Second base will remain an issue until one of the Nelson/Young/Gomez group steps up and clearly shows that they are ready for the MLB challenge, but the fact is that middle infield's a weakness everywhere and the Rockies are in much better shape here than most teams. If the current Rox can hold their own in a weak division for 2009, 2010 should really start to show some early fruit. Next week I'll look at the team's younger generation, which doesn't look quite so promising right now, but there's a lot of time to fix that over the next five years or so.

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may be out for the season.

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by Russ Oates on Mar 4, 2009 3:02 PM MST reply actions  

Prompting

my response

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Mar 4, 2009 3:21 PM MST up reply actions  

Get your laptop batteries

"Better move your rental cars, I am about to take BP."
-Glendon Rusch

by Hizilla on Mar 4, 2009 3:56 PM MST up reply actions  

CDI will be our 1B guy in three years...

if that happens we’ll be fine.

Eschew Obfuscation!

by Jeff Aberle on Mar 4, 2009 5:02 PM MST reply actions  

Sure, if everything else comes together also...

The point of this exercise is to assume that you’re never fine at any particular position until you’ve got each position filled with a worthy player in each wave. Iannetta would be part of the wave before, so that gap after him still looms fairly large unless something unexpected changes things. And all of this is assuming that Iannetta can make a seamless transition in the field, which might not be so cut and dry either.

At any rate, while I think we are in overall decent shape with this talent, adding another slugging 1B certainly wouldn’t hurt.

by Rox Girl on Mar 4, 2009 5:36 PM MST up reply actions  

*Hawpe

"What's money? A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do." -Bob Dylan

by Bryan Kilpatrick on Mar 4, 2009 6:40 PM MST up reply actions  

I'd be fine with either scenario

But I still want some corner infield depth in the minors….It’s hard to believe we used to have Holliday, Atkins, Helton, Stewart, Hawpe, Baker, Shealy, Koshansky and Macri all as homegrown CIs in the organization this decade.

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Mar 4, 2009 9:00 PM MST up reply actions  

I feel like being nitpicky
So if you show to me that you have top 15 prospects at several positions between 22 and 24 years old…I will buy your team’s near contention status ….So if you look at a 3-6 year peak window for players in the 22-24 age range, the Rockies seem to be building a very solid 2011-2014 team at the moment

And yet we have only 2 positions covered, CF and C, and no pitchers within your selected criteria. I understand the plethora of players that just miss the cut, but it still looks strange that your conclusion is that we’re in great shape despite practically no qualifiers in your critical criteria

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Mar 4, 2009 6:34 PM MST reply actions  

Did you miss what my critical criteria actually was?

This is exactly the kind of conclusion that I’m arguing can be dangerous if you don’t actually take the context into account. If you narrow the search down to the top 15 prospects by Baseball America that are still eligible for the ROY award among all ages than yes, you are right, we only have four covered, catcher, CF, and one each of the RHP and LHP starters but this tells you next to nothing.

If you actually take talent and similar peak range into account, however and rank the top 15 talents at the position between the ages of 22-24, which again like I said in my post is a more realistic way of considering how a team is developing, than the Rockies not only have those four categories, but also top 15 players at third, (Stewart) short (Tulo) and another LHP (Morales). In Nelson, the Rockies talent at second is as good as what’s on the BA list, you will find observers like Keith Law who will tell you as much and even the folks at BA will admit it if you back them into a corner. Casey Weathers likewise is as good as any in the category, certainly good enough to be top 15 among 22-24 year olds, and even BA would admit to that if you asked. Gonzalez is a wild card in the corner, if we don’t count him, and I don’t really, so by my criteria, the Rockies have qualifying players in nine of eleven categories. Now find how many other teams can say the same for that age range or have players with similarly strong arguments, the list is very short.

by Rox Girl on Mar 4, 2009 7:51 PM MST up reply actions  

Of course

I understand exactly the point you are making. I absolutely agree that the age distribution (and positional distribution) must be considered when evaluating a farm system. Certainly I know about Morales, Jimenez, Nelson, Stewart, Weathers, Friedrich, etc. Certainly I know how well the farm system has been rated in recent years. I’m just trying to read this article as a baseball fan that’s ignorant regarding Rockies prospects. And your third paragraph seems to define your critical criteria as 22-24yo prospects. You proceed to list the players that fit.

If I’m a casual Rockies fan, or a baseball fan ignorant on Rockies prospects, I just keep seeing None, None, None, None… All but two. It looks bleak. I would love to share this analysis with skeptical friends that don’t know a lot about the Rockies’ prospects. I just fear it doesn’t convey the strength on the farm.

I’m certainly not arguing with you on the strength of the prospects or their potential. I suppose I don’t understand why you would define your bold critical criteria as 22-24 when that makes the Rockies farm system look barren at first blush.

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Mar 4, 2009 8:13 PM MST up reply actions  

So it sounds like your complaint in in the clarity of my writing rather than the strength of argument

That makes sense, I haven’t written prospects in a little while, I know I need to tighten up. The bold type is simply who’s making BA’s list in that age range, the actual list of talent are the players profiled in the boxes with huge fonts. Hopefully your friends will actually see those players and learn to go beyond BA when evaluating the system, to use it as a tool to jump off from.

by Rox Girl on Mar 4, 2009 9:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Complaint is too harsh of a word I think

maybe constructive criticism (I personally would love more, so I’ll dish it out too) and a bit of confusion. I can’t imagine the day I actually argue that your perspective on prospects is off the mark. I deeply respect your insight and experience. So yes, I’m speaking to clarity.

It just seemed that you opened with the dangers of applying criteria that blinds you to the depth of a farm system, then chose a category that had a similar fault, given that most of the positions have no qualifying members. Though the picture/profiles are great. I suppose I overlooked those more than the average reader since I know all of them, and I was eager to see what you wrote specifically about each position.

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Mar 4, 2009 9:09 PM MST up reply actions  

I would like to apologize for the lack of clarity in my comments

I deeply deeply respect your work and opinions, and I am not at any point attempting to discredit you or provoke a fight. I was speaking more out of confusion really than anything. I really just wanted to understand where you were coming from with your criteria definitions.

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Mar 4, 2009 10:29 PM MST up reply actions  

no offense taken...

I’m not sure who hid these comments (not me), but I’m okay with accepting criticism of my work. I’m sorry if I came out sounding otherwise in my attempts to defend it. In the end, I could see where you’re coming from and will take that into account next time.

by Rox Girl on Mar 5, 2009 5:44 AM MST up reply actions  

I should clarify, by the way,

That even with taking major leaguers unqualified for the ROY award into account, the Rockies still technically don’t have a top 15 RH starter in the 22-24 age range, but they do have a top 15 starter in the 23-25 age range in Jimenez, and another in the 21-23 age range in Chacin, so the two overlap to be peaking throughout the expected 22-24 peak years (2011-2014) and having players peaking together is what’s important.

by Rox Girl on Mar 5, 2009 8:03 AM MST up reply actions  

Thanks for the summary

For those of us too busy at the moment to look all these things up & too cheap &/or time constrained to subscribe to BA, your position-by-position summary is most helpful in trying to keep up with future prospects. Since I expect to move to Colo. by 2012 or 2013, it’s intriguing to see the talent that should be there when I arrive. If Josh Fogg isn’t still pitching then, I may opt for a good ticket package.

No records in the last 10 years should count.

by Maris6161 on Mar 4, 2009 8:38 PM MST reply actions  

Good job RG...

You really have a talent for writing about Prospects. I can’t count the number of times you’ve prepared us at the Row for the arrival of Jeff Francis, Tulo, Dex or a Cedeno. Incidintally, can you fill us in on what kind of pitches Cedeno butters his bread with?

CDI will be our 1B guy in three years… if that happens we’ll be fine. ~ Jabberwocky

Frank Chance did fairly well with the switch from Catcher to 1B. Leading the Cubs in the early 20th century to several pennants as a player/manager with 400 SBs and a .385 career OBP. He was also on the receiving end of the famous Tinkers-Evers-to-Chance double play combination.

Keepin' warm by the hot stove season.

by Charlie77 on Mar 5, 2009 1:37 AM MST reply actions  

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