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Rockies beat Phillies, still anticipating April to be cruel month.

Alright look, I know this whole "winning" thing is great and everything, but according to PECOTA, the Rockies (3-1), after winning ten to three today, only have 68 wins left this season, and can only score 812 more runs. Worse, the pitchers have to somehow allow 937 in the remaining 158 games.

And there are just too many extra base hits here, oy, you guys 20 in four games? Are you nuts? You're not supposed to have that kind of power. Seriously. You need to just cut this nonsense out. I mean you too, Garrett, I thought you were our good one, setting a perfect example of futility until you just had to go and hit a two run bomb today. I'm very disappointed.

This is the hard part of the schedule, remember? If we use up all of our PECOTA runs in April, than what will we do for the rest of the season? I mean you guys realize that in two of these four games you were going up against 2008's runner-up in the Cy Young voting and the World Series MVP, don't you? That's where you're not supposed to score runs, PECOTA doesn't want you to.

And look, pitchers, I know you don't want to do this, but maybe you can give some of those extra runs you're supposed to be giving up away to another team. I just think you guys are digging yourself in a hole here. I mean it was going to be hard enough giving up the most runs by an NL team since 1999 to begin with, allowing just 3.5 a game while playing in the league's two most prolific run environments against two offenses that everybody just hearts to death is just asking for trouble if you want to reach that standard.

Honestly, I just don't know if you guys are cut out for this massive losing deal. I think we may have to start looking around who else to give that role too.

The Big Question: Who do you think will realize that they've greatly underestimated the Rockies first?

the Snakepit?

Today brings the Dodgers to town, for a three-game set against Arizona. This could go a long way to setting the early momentum in the season, between two teams generally predicted to fight for the division title. Neither has quite set the grass aflame with their early results: the Diamondbacks dropped two out of three versus the Rockies, while the Dodgers split a four-game set against the Padres, near-universal picks for cellar dwellers in the NL West. 

Dave Cameron at FanGraphs.com?

Dan O’Dowd is a man with a lot of ideas. Some of them are very good, while others are a bit more questionable. Overall, he’s showed an ability to identify talent, but in trying to solve the Coors Field problems, the approach has been to throw spaghetti at the wall. They tried high priced left-handed pitchers, to disastrous results. They tried strikeout pitchers who would limit balls in play. Now, they’re trying groundball pitchers, assembling a staff of sinkerball starters who will hopefully limit home runs. In the end, though, it doesn’t appear that the organization is committed to a direction, but instead react to whether their experiments work or fail. Baseball in Denver is certainly different than the rest of the game, but the Rockies need to figure out how to use that to their advantage, and they haven’t been able to do so as of yet.

Commenters at the Denver Post?

So at least Ken Rosenthal has upgraded us to "not a doormat" in this video, but respect still needs to be earned. Let's knock some Phillies around some more, let's knock some Cubs around and some Dodgers around, and then a few Snakes again and see what people are saying at the end of the month.

Wrap Rating: Wrapping your head around this whole Rockies as good thing will be tough guys, I suggest using the turbie towel hair wrap just to keep things in place as you're doing so.

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by rockhead on Apr 10, 2009 6:40 PM MDT reply actions  

Great post

Sure, it’s only four games, but I can’t get over how great our team looks so far.

I have to admit, as a non-analysis-y (what’s a good word for this?) type of fan, that I wish Stewart could be worked into the line-up somehow, but it almost seems at this point that another big bat would just be redundant. (Plus, Barmes has been great so far.)

by dogs on Apr 10, 2009 7:00 PM MDT reply actions  

Marquis

having a solid start makes me feel ALOT better, but i’m still drunk – so I don’t know if it counts.

"Better move your rental cars, I am about to take BP."
-Glendon Rusch

by Hizilla on Apr 10, 2009 7:04 PM MDT reply actions  

A solid Marquis should feel good no matter what substances you are on

well, except maybe the paranoia-inducing ones…

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Apr 10, 2009 8:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

Why This Team SUCKS

1) Helton can’t possibly rebound at his age even with back surgery. He’s a stiff out there defensively, an brings the team down
2) Barmes is a replacement level hacker. He can’t possibly have a 2008 batting average over .275. And his back up/platoon player is some kid that has a ton of strikeouts. And we ALL know that young power hitters NEVER get better at hitting.
3)SS Tulowitzki? Hell I can’t spell it or pronounce it, and his stats last year shows he can’t hit. I mean YOUNG HITTERS NEVER GET BETTER or more comfortable.
3) Atkins can’t hit at all. He’s a joke. I mean sure a career .297 hitter…but that’s not 300 & he doesn’t have near enough power. Last year was so bad he hit .287! I mean what other team in the NL west had a 3rd baseman that hit that terrible?
4) Iannetta is no Russall Martin.
5) Hawpe can’t hit. He’s never hit 30 home runs! and he’s not averaging 100 RBI’s over his last 3 years (pfft…95…sucks…worthless stat anyway)
6) Dexter Fowler Who’s this bum? I mean he can’t be any good, he’s not with the Red Sox. HIS CAREER BA is .167! That shows you how terrible this guy is! Look at all the stills Tavares had…who can replace that production?
7) Spilborghs? First off HE’S NO MATT HOLLIDAY! Holliday was an all-star, a super star even. Holliday has a career BA of .319, and Spilborghs is a messily .303 and never hit 14 doubles in a year so he can’t possibly have more power numbers than Holliday!

And don’t get me started on the pitching or the Defense

(note: This is sarcasm. it’s meant as a slap to all the stupid and wrong preconceptions everyone, and I mean EVERYONE has about this team)

"Suck it monkeys, the Rockies will win this year", Rox Girl 1-11-2009

by Redhawk on Apr 10, 2009 7:09 PM MDT reply actions  

You forgot...

8) All of the bench players are mediocre, at best. I mean, who has ever heard of Baker or Stewart, anyway?

And lol at #7. Spilly is on track to hitting 200 doubles this year, if I did my math right.

by PurpleGlove on Apr 10, 2009 7:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

if they were any good they would be starting and not on the bench

bums…all of em

that Gonzalez kid in the Springs…no future…dumped by the D-Backs AND he A’s, and we have to take him…how many 2nd chances is this loser going to get…another scrap heap pick up by O’dud…same with Murton, he can’t stick either

"Suck it monkeys, the Rockies will win this year", Rox Girl 1-11-2009

by Redhawk on Apr 10, 2009 7:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

And that Smith guy?

Pffft. He should never start a game, I mean, really.

by holly96 on Apr 10, 2009 7:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nope

can’t hit, and never has.

Splitting time with Fowler, and Fowler has a .167 Career batting average. If you can’t beat out a bum like that you don’t deserve to even cut the grass, little own, play on it

"Suck it monkeys, the Rockies will win this year", Rox Girl 1-11-2009

by Redhawk on Apr 10, 2009 7:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

Jim Armstrong said countless times

before the season that Spilborghs was not the answer – I mean, how could he be? He’s almost 30 and has never been a starter (how soon he forgets about Hawpe and Holliday blocking paths). Now he’s well on his way to retracting that statement since Spilly is on pace for 203 doubles…

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Apr 10, 2009 8:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'll say it again

Spilly is one of the most underated players in MLB.

Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for too many men on the field?
Author: Jim Bouton

by pedalpusher on Apr 10, 2009 8:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah I know it's only four games but

compared to most Aprils, this one is starting pretty danged fine. The pitching (except Cookie) and hitting have been nothing short of great. And I really like being in the position of people overlooking us.

Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for too many men on the field?
Author: Jim Bouton

by pedalpusher on Apr 10, 2009 7:16 PM MDT reply actions  

Man, I don't know how I can support a winning team.

I mean, I became a fan because everyone told me how bad these guys would be. I mean, without Matt Holliday, the rockies are nothing, right?

by PurpleGlove on Apr 10, 2009 7:22 PM MDT reply actions  

We're the Colorado Expos

"Suck it monkeys, the Rockies will win this year", Rox Girl 1-11-2009

by Redhawk on Apr 10, 2009 7:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

that was an awesome performance by our guys.

Marquis did well and our offense is going to put up some huge numbers this year.

Dex knows.....

by The Lodo Magic Man on Apr 10, 2009 7:29 PM MDT reply actions  

Watching the game now.

I don’t know what happened other than the Rockies won.

"If we never try, we shall never succeed." - Abraham Lincoln

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by Russ Oates on Apr 10, 2009 7:51 PM MDT reply actions  

LOL

at this entire thread.

I perused the ESPN game conversation earlier, and when a couple Rockies fans were trying to convince the Phillies fans that the Rockies lineup could be just as good as the Phillies lineup, one guy actually uttered the following jems (spread between a handful of comments):

This is a classic example of a team having a few good players, a lucky year, and overconfident fans who don’t yet fully understand baseball.

It’s not about me not understanding; it’s about you completely overvaluing your players. The players you name are more equivalent to Rollins, Werth, Ibanez. When Hawpe et al win ROY or MVPs consistently, let me know.

Because clearly a team’s worth is solely dependent on awards given out by writers.

This is why there’s an East Coast bias, by the way. Because no one off of it understands baseball.

by holly96 on Apr 10, 2009 7:52 PM MDT reply actions  

Those are f'n classic!

I couldn’t have made those up…and I was trying to

"Suck it monkeys, the Rockies will win this year", Rox Girl 1-11-2009

by Redhawk on Apr 10, 2009 7:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sounds like a classic troll.

By the way, does anyone else find the MLB.com news section unbearable since they started displaying comments right below all the articles?

by dogs on Apr 10, 2009 7:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

I've got the MLB network on right now

and they were just talking about the NL West and it was LA/Arizona blah blah blah. Other than reporting our score, hardly a word about the Rockies.

That’s ok. As I said earlier, I really like being the one everybody doesn’t pay attention to.

Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for too many men on the field?
Author: Jim Bouton

by pedalpusher on Apr 10, 2009 8:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yea

I was watching MLB Tonight Final and they only said our score, no highlights, no analysis, nothing. While they showed the Mets game 3 TIMES!!!

Some hope?

by rockiesfan4ever on Apr 10, 2009 9:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's funny actually

CHONE projections have the Rockies scoring more runs than the Phillies. Heck, they even have the DODGERS scoring more than the Phillies…

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Apr 10, 2009 8:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Just to get this off my chest...

I’ve had few beers and I’ve been trying to ignore the quoted “comments” but I can’t take it. Normally I’m perfectly lazy about looking things up, but the “win ROY or MVPs consistently” thing just irritated me.

According to Baseball-Reference.com, since the Rockies began play in 1993:

MVPs
Jimmy Rollins (PHI) 2007
Larry Walker (COL) 1997

ROYs
Ryan Howard (PHI) 2005
Scott Rolen (PHI) 1997
Jason Jennings (COL) 2002

That leaves the Phils at +1 since ‘93, and I’m not even going to grouse about the 2007 ROY voting. (As much as I’d like to.)

The great thing about baseball is that there's a crisis every day. ~Gabe Paul

by rockhead on Apr 10, 2009 10:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

One comment of this guys that I didn't even mention

referred to Utley as a future MVP, and actually used that as part of their argument. LOL!

Not that Utley couldn’t one season win the award, but to present it as a certainty?

by holly96 on Apr 10, 2009 11:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

We would be remiss

to point out that the MVP Rollins “won” was done at the expense of a Rockie. Also, Tulo had his ROY stolen from him the same year. What a moron.

by A.J. Haefele on Apr 11, 2009 7:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

Honestly, that's why I'm at the 'Row

A few years back I used to post on some other baseball forum but after a few months it just became apparent to me that all people were interested in doing was 1. hyping their team and not having real discussion and 2. starting threads about predictions – Cy Young, divisional, world series, MVP, ROY, and when those were done, they’d repeat them all or start a HOF prediction thread. That stuff gets so old, so fast.
I also learned that Met fans are some of the most annoying fans around…

by Resolution on Apr 11, 2009 9:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

Question on the main page widgets

There’s one on the right showing the standings, but I don’t see one with the schedule. Should there be one? I thought there was one last season, and I know if I go to Pickaxe and Roll, for example, there’s one that shows upcoming games (and I think previous games).

by holly96 on Apr 10, 2009 8:10 PM MDT reply actions  

I can add it in,

I’m pretty sure we have it somewhere.

by Rox Girl on Apr 10, 2009 8:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

That would be great.

It’s handy for checking game times. I know I can get that elsewhere, but since I’m already here…

by holly96 on Apr 10, 2009 8:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's a current series widget.

I just put it in.

"If we never try, we shall never succeed." - Abraham Lincoln

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by Russ Oates on Apr 10, 2009 8:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

And the bullpen...

I can hardly stand to think about it. This Steet character will probably blow more saves than he earns.
Seriously, though, while I’m extremely excited by the start, I’m still a bit guarded in my optimism. We have a difficult schedule in April, and the Rockies are notoriously and often awful at the beginning of the year.

by aeolian on Apr 10, 2009 8:28 PM MDT reply actions  

I've seen this before...

Starting 3-1, including taking 2 of 3 from the Diamondbacks. Where have I heard that before? Oh, yes. I think it was when that team from Colorado that nobody thought was any good made it to the World Series in 2007. Let these people say what they want now. I’ll be very happy to say “I told you so” at the end of the season.

by RockiescastScott on Apr 10, 2009 8:35 PM MDT reply actions  

Hmm

that was the last time that Cook beat Webb on Opening Day as well. In Arizona. With a surprisingly upstart offense

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Apr 10, 2009 8:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

The most encouraging aspect is the competition

We already have as many wins vs. Philly and AZ as all last year combined.

That’s not an error. And we beat Haren and Hamels to get there, and very nearly Webb. Aside from Cook’s outing, is there anything to complain about re: the Rockies at all? Maybe Iannetta hitting under 100, but he’ll turn around

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Apr 10, 2009 8:42 PM MDT reply actions  

There is one thing to complain about

Why hasn’t Spilly done anything awesome with his facial hair yet? Doubles are much more impressive when they are hit by a guy with mutton chops!

by RockiescastScott on Apr 10, 2009 8:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

the real question is:

Did anybody get what Spilly’s new AB music is yet?

Dex knows.....

by The Lodo Magic Man on Apr 10, 2009 9:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

wait, what? He can't change it!!!

Thriller is epic!!! Plus, he already changed it once, from Sweet Escape. Who does he think he is, Tulo?!? He can’t just go around changing it all the time. No, I can’t handle that.

/end sarcasm, but really, I wish he wouldn’t change it.

by Rockie4Ever on Apr 11, 2009 12:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

It's

Survivor – Eye of the Tiger, his worst selection to date.

Aut Vincam Aut Periam

by PioneerSkies on Apr 11, 2009 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

No, I'm definatley not complaining!

My favorite thing about this is either the starting pitching or the productivity with RISP, both of which were so horribly lacking last year.

by aeolian on Apr 10, 2009 8:47 PM MDT reply actions  

Which Jorge will we see tomorrow?

Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for too many men on the field?
Author: Jim Bouton

by pedalpusher on Apr 10, 2009 8:59 PM MDT reply actions  

Please be good Jorge,

I’m going to tomorrow nights game

Dex knows.....

by The Lodo Magic Man on Apr 10, 2009 11:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

All kidding aside

I’m most excited about the team’s approach to the game thus far. I’m sure you all remember last year’s edition of our Rockies. Trying to hit 8 run homers, making corkscrews of themselves at the plate, pitchers trying to throw 3 strikes with every pitch. I know it’s very early, but I’m encouraged that the guys are just letting the game play out, letting the game come to them as it were. Very much like they did during the infamous run in 07. No one’s trying to do too much, just doing their part. If they can hold on to that through the season, our boys are going to be just fine.

The great thing about baseball is that there's a crisis every day. ~Gabe Paul

by rockhead on Apr 10, 2009 9:08 PM MDT reply actions  

+1

Thats what I’m seeing as well.

by rockieprogress on Apr 10, 2009 9:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

A great sign of these guys being together as a TEAM.

was when the coaches and the non-starters were introduced: the Phillies came out one by one as they were announced. The Rockies all came out together, and THEN were announced.

Dex knows.....

by The Lodo Magic Man on Apr 10, 2009 10:27 PM MDT reply actions  

I will take our team

It is the same as when Hurdle said to the reporter, “Shame on you for not watching us during the season.”

Ken Rosenthal will at least pay attention to the Rockies. The folks at ESPN will not. Steve Phillips could not find Colorado on a map. I hear these experts at ESPN and it is disgusting.

I feel the same way about Baseball Prospectus. They are so blinded by reporting on Manny, the Yankees, Mets and Red Sox that they do not see any other team.

by brian8065 on Apr 10, 2009 10:37 PM MDT reply actions  

In all fairness to ESPN

they do cover one west coast team…..

The Chicago Cubs

"Suck it monkeys, the Rockies will win this year", Rox Girl 1-11-2009

by Redhawk on Apr 10, 2009 11:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

+1

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by DbacksSkins on Apr 11, 2009 10:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

Just FYI, guys?

2009 Dodgers? Paper tigers.

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by DbacksSkins on Apr 10, 2009 10:52 PM MDT reply actions  

NO You are wrong

they have Manny..the one and the only Manny…he makes balls scream in fear just by holding them in his mighty hands.

How can any team lose if they have such god-like greatness?

"Suck it monkeys, the Rockies will win this year", Rox Girl 1-11-2009

by Redhawk on Apr 10, 2009 11:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

How often

does Manny have balls in his hands? He hates playing defense….

There was an AWESOME incident of Manny being Manny last night, when he just stopped between 1B and 2B on a double play.

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by DbacksSkins on Apr 11, 2009 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

Not to be a wet blanket off of PHLP's bed but..

2 of the 3 starters we have faced are Webb, Davis, Hamels and both Webb and Hamels were injured. Webb was shutdown after his Rockie start which led to an MRI and hit a snag in his contract extension talks. Doug Davis is nice, but he’s a #3 pitcher in a #5’s body. Then we have Cole Hamels. I checked gameday to see his fastball speed, and what i found was a significant loss in velocity.

According to Fangraphs, Hamels averages 90.6 on his heater. When we look at the pitch chart from Friday’s game we see that he only averaged 87 on the gun. While 3 mph might not seem like a lot, only 11% of his pitches approached his career average. He only registered 90 on one pitch which came during his 8 pitch battle with Todd Helton in the 3rd inning, trying to speed up Todd’s bat before going to two straight changeups. Atkins HR came on a pitch that was at 88 mph. Here is a stem plot of Hamel’s fastball speeds:

90-1
89-4
88-10
87-14
86-9
85-7

It's opening day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Charlie77 on Apr 11, 2009 12:19 AM MDT reply actions  

For me it's not quite as much who we've beat

But how we’ve looked doing it. All of the worst symptoms from last year’s start are so far missing.

by holly96 on Apr 11, 2009 1:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

Exactly...

We will have days where we are humbled and brought back to earth, but last season we were getting humbled by pitchers that were injured, terrible or lacking opposable thumbs. The mere fact that we are beating pitchers we should be beating is an upgrade.

by Rox Girl on Apr 11, 2009 6:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

You mean we're NOT going to go 161-1?

,,,,,,,losers

"Suck it monkeys, the Rockies will win this year", Rox Girl 1-11-2009

by Redhawk on Apr 11, 2009 9:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

Well, on the other hand......

…..the Snakes and Phillies hitters aren’t hurt as far as I know. And our staff has done a pretty decent job thus far. As long as we get solid pitching, we’ll be ok.

This club will hit. No doubt.

Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for too many men on the field?
Author: Jim Bouton

by pedalpusher on Apr 11, 2009 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

Random

Today’s overflow game thread currently has exactly 303 comments. I don’t know why, but I’m getting a kick out of that.

by holly96 on Apr 11, 2009 1:59 AM MDT reply actions  

Those guys are hilarious.

Few bands make me rofl, but they definitely give me a great laugh.

by A.J. Haefele on Apr 11, 2009 7:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

What!?

I wanted to throw my TV out of the room when I saw that “performance” before yesterday’s game.

"If we never try, we shall never succeed." - Abraham Lincoln

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by Russ Oates on Apr 11, 2009 8:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

I didn't see it

I was just talking about the band in general.

by A.J. Haefele on Apr 11, 2009 6:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree with your statement

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Apr 11, 2009 8:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

.303 British?

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by DbacksSkins on Apr 11, 2009 10:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

??

I am lost.

303 is the Denver area code.

by holly96 on Apr 11, 2009 4:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

I would love to be wrong ,...

about my reservations about this team.

Trust me, I would.

by Squeaky on Apr 11, 2009 8:05 AM MDT reply actions  

Yo I'm just hoping that

Buchholz comes back healthy in a month. If he does what he did last year, with him, Street, and Corpas, we’d be looking so pretty…

by Resolution on Apr 11, 2009 9:22 AM MDT reply actions  

I think our bullpen is about to get as crowded as our corner outfield positions.

Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for too many men on the field?
Author: Jim Bouton

by pedalpusher on Apr 11, 2009 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

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