Game #12 Overflow
by Russ Oates on Apr 20, 2009 9:49 PM MDT
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Nasty curve from Hammel
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Apr 20, 2009 9:53 PM MDT reply actions
Overflow?
on a Monday stinker…in a string of Stinkers? this is well…..I’m not sure what this says
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we all have no lives?
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Apr 20, 2009 9:53 PM MDT up reply actions
Sadly Heroes
ended after the first year
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Yeah.
They couldn’t tell a story after season 1.
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no, it says that we're die hard Rox fans
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by PioneerSkies on Apr 20, 2009 10:09 PM MDT up reply actions
You're just
using a euphemism.
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We talk . . . a lot.
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what's really really sad
i’m on the game thread… while I watch a really bad western movie on the Westerns Channel. Great Arizona Nation Monument park scenes
"Suck it monkeys, the Rockies will win this year", Rox Girl 1-11-2009
Is Kenny Powers available to sign?
/ hoping someone has seen Eastbound and Downtown.
I agree in principle
but whose does he get?
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by Andrew Martin on Apr 20, 2009 9:54 PM MDT up reply actions
Actually I rescind that
if he can be Bucky 2.0 for a month or two and solidify the seventh inning
Weren't we just...
…cussing this guy out less than a week ago? Nice to see people giving Hammel another chance :P
I wasn't cussing him out
I was just concerned, because all the scouting said he was a LOT better than those innings suggested that first outing.
Plus nobody gave him the benefit of the doubt consider a new team, catcher, and park.
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by Andrew Martin on Apr 20, 2009 9:58 PM MDT up reply actions
Then you've got another think coming
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/H/jason-hammel.shtml
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by Andrew Martin on Apr 20, 2009 9:56 PM MDT up reply actions
huh?
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by Andrew Martin on Apr 20, 2009 9:56 PM MDT up reply actions
In this universe.
In bizarro universe, the offseason just started.
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dammmmmmn right
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by Andrew Martin on Apr 20, 2009 9:58 PM MDT up reply actions
agree, Helton was good too, and Ianetta improved
there are some positives to this game
helton groundout.
the man needs to NOT be hitting 3rd.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Apr 20, 2009 9:59 PM MDT reply actions
I agree
but this isn’t the game and that isn’t the AB to sink him yet
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by Andrew Martin on Apr 20, 2009 10:02 PM MDT up reply actions
If they lose tonite
then they fall into last right? Hopefully they can climb out. I was worried when I saw the schedule that this would happen. If you are a fan you have to worry that the attendance will plummet and force some financial moves. With the Nuggets figuring to go far into the playoffs this year this could hurt attendance through May. The Dodgers are far superior and will likely take the next series.
by PinchHitLancePainter on Apr 20, 2009 10:00 PM MDT reply actions
Which is what one of the Monfort's said
about getting off to a good start.
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Somber/religious
I don’t see Drunk too much in the press
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honestly I wouldn't mind a salary clearout
as I think we have enough good young players to overcome trading Atkins and or Hawpe
Hawpe's been your only consistent player
you cannot ditch everyone. There is already a perception among Rockies Minor League guys that they do their five years and if they are positioned to make money they will be gone. You become the Expos at that point.
by PinchHitLancePainter on Apr 20, 2009 10:04 PM MDT up reply actions
I respect that you have insight into the mind of the players
but the Rockies can’t afford to pay people for past performance
Um, this would be wrong
Intellectual FAILure and, frankly, intellectually dishonest when the club has signed Cook, Hawpe, Tulo to contracts that go well beyond their 5th year of ML service.
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by Mondogarage on Apr 20, 2009 10:12 PM MDT up reply actions
I don’t think attendance gets hurt too bad. I don’t think most going to Coors Field really know standings, or quality. It’s more a nice night out in the Colorado summer air.
And Financial Moves…could be a good thing, considering who the most expensive players are
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haven't we been over this
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by Andrew Martin on Apr 20, 2009 10:06 PM MDT up reply actions
But what about our ace?!?
/pretending that tonight can somehow not show up as official in the morning.
Can't let go of game changing talent like our Ace
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You can't do anything with him
except try to convince him to retire and walk away from about $40-50M. Would you do that? You can’t trade him.
by PinchHitLancePainter on Apr 20, 2009 10:06 PM MDT up reply actions
if you package him wih Tulo you could maybe trade him
or another upsided young payer
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Hurdle is the biggest lineup changer ever!
It is amazing that some are untouchable
You have to respect a guy like Helton
but I personally would shake this lineup up massively, and give Baker some of Atkins’ playing time.
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by Andrew Martin on Apr 20, 2009 10:03 PM MDT up reply actions
Atkins single!
DOGS AND CATS LIVING TOGETHER! MASS HYSTERIA
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Apr 20, 2009 10:03 PM MDT reply actions
despite the lack of hits dropping
he’s been swinging the bat well
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by Andrew Martin on Apr 20, 2009 10:04 PM MDT up reply actions
I argued yesterday
but with Atkins…you are right.
Barmes has had TERRIBLE ab’s…..but gotten some to drop.
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If I can muster up the gumption
Counting Rocks will be discussing BABIP a bit and what implications it has on Atkins and Barmes
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by Andrew Martin on Apr 20, 2009 10:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Otherwise we're gonna have a big argument about fielding numbers!!!
Helton for Catcher – his FRARPL suggests he’d be better there and Smith at 1B
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by Andrew Martin on Apr 20, 2009 10:09 PM MDT up reply actions
Fielding Runs Above Replacement Player Level?
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uhhhh Yeah!
It’s…uh…the newest thing to come from….uh….Bill James…
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by Andrew Martin on Apr 20, 2009 10:11 PM MDT up reply actions
it would be interesting
to throw in Tulo…I don’t know if his bad old stance with the left leg too far forward would show up in that. His ab’s are terrible…and not getting drops.
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yeah, absolutely
I’ll bring up the entire team, don’t worry.
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by Andrew Martin on Apr 20, 2009 10:10 PM MDT up reply actions
I guess the point is
some AB’s are bad luck, some are good luck…and some are just bad. It’s not bad luck Tulo is sucking…it’s fundamentally a bad stance, (which I can’t imagine being able to show up)
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Really? Strike three?
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I thought he held up
but whatever I guess
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by Andrew Martin on Apr 20, 2009 10:06 PM MDT up reply actions
OH COME ON.
He didn’t go around on that!
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Apr 20, 2009 10:06 PM MDT reply actions
Double for Spilly!
Atkins scores!
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Apr 20, 2009 10:07 PM MDT reply actions
if only hawpe had gotten that walk.
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by fantasyfencing on Apr 20, 2009 10:08 PM MDT up reply actions
6-3.
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somebody get Atkins an oxygen tank
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Apr 20, 2009 10:08 PM MDT reply actions
I'm pleased about Spilborghs' hit
We’ve seen a lot of bit liners/flyballs up the middle tonight
Good hitting by the Rockies, they’re reading the DBacks pitching well and getting good pokes.
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No such thing
as predetermined outcome.
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must....refrain...from....philosophical....debate..
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Apr 20, 2009 10:10 PM MDT up reply actions
John Calvin ftw
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by PioneerSkies on Apr 20, 2009 10:11 PM MDT up reply actions
because he struck out like 9 times out of 10 AB between the Cubs and Dodgers
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by Andrew Martin on Apr 20, 2009 10:09 PM MDT up reply actions
like every starter hasn't struggled- why pick him
1st baby slump- not fair
he just needed a break
Stewart and Fowler have done just fine
Tulo is really the only untouchable in the lineup
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by Andrew Martin on Apr 20, 2009 10:12 PM MDT up reply actions
Iannetta's really getting under the ball
Normally I’d be ok with it because of his typically herculean power, but he’s getting TOO under it.
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MLB TV
left the mike on during the commercial break…..Frazier might be drinking
you're surprised?
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by PioneerSkies on Apr 20, 2009 10:12 PM MDT up reply actions
I saw it!
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by PioneerSkies on Apr 20, 2009 10:12 PM MDT up reply actions
This move
has MC Hammer as a bounty hunter/hired gun…with a midget side kick
man….who produced this crap? High School kids with Sony could have done better.
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WOOO GAS CAN
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yeah, w00d!
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by PioneerSkies on Apr 20, 2009 10:13 PM MDT up reply actions
Here's what they need to do
C Ianetta
1B Hawpe
2B Barmes
SS Tulo
3B Stewart
LF Spilly/Murton combo
CF Fowler
RF Gonzales
Trade Atkins for some scrap heap (all he is worth) and make sure Spilborghs is a 280-350 AB guy. He is most effective that way. Helton will get 1-2 starts a week which may precipitate a request for trade or a retirement.
by PinchHitLancePainter on Apr 20, 2009 10:12 PM MDT reply actions
I agree..
but you can’t crap on your franchise hero.
I want that lineup as well, but it’d really be poor to treat Todd Helton like that. He’s handled all the nonsense of this team with a lot of poise.
I mean, he’s getting paid, but that’s not the point.
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by Andrew Martin on Apr 20, 2009 10:13 PM MDT up reply actions
Understood
but there comes a time when you have to say your done kid. I know it sucks as it happended to me but someone has to say it. Let him get to 2000 then plop his old legs, old back, on the pines.
by PinchHitLancePainter on Apr 20, 2009 10:15 PM MDT up reply actions
I know that he's gonna end up being Tony Clark effectively
But just to bench him until he demands a trade would be a pretty sour parting.
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by Andrew Martin on Apr 20, 2009 10:16 PM MDT up reply actions
It is a means to an end
you cannot trade him, and he is killing you financially and has for sereral years.
by PinchHitLancePainter on Apr 20, 2009 10:17 PM MDT up reply actions
Granted, but if you're him, why should you retire?
Point me to one person who turns down $40m more that he’s already signed to receive, for playing a game.
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by Mondogarage on Apr 20, 2009 10:19 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah this
there’s no motivation for Helton to retire. And we’d look like a bunch of asses.
Unless we slowly phased him out and started legitimately using Hawpe at 1B
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by Andrew Martin on Apr 20, 2009 10:21 PM MDT up reply actions
A pro athlete
needs to play for the front of the jersey, and if the best thing for the teams means you are on the bench, so be it. If he chooses whether or not to retire, that’s up to him, but a pro athlete needs to realize what is best for the TEAM, if he chooses not to retire.
/end rant
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Apr 20, 2009 10:22 PM MDT up reply actions
no...
EY2 needs to be in at 2nd. Barmes needs to be the Utility guy
The rest I’m good with
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EYJ is a miserable fielder
and he’s not looking too special in AAA yet
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by Andrew Martin on Apr 20, 2009 10:15 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah I saw him last Tues night
and was not impressed. He needs at least a year there.
by PinchHitLancePainter on Apr 20, 2009 10:16 PM MDT up reply actions
Fielding or hitting
cause he’s looking very special in baserunning…which this team lacks
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either way
he’s batting .321, which pleases me, but he’s not walking (which is one of his strengths), and he’s stolen 5 bags as well, but I haven’t heard anything about him being a passable fielder.
Pros: Good average, good speed
Cons: Isn’t walking (it’s early yet), don’t think he can field still
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by Andrew Martin on Apr 20, 2009 10:17 PM MDT up reply actions
I haven't seen him
but I’ll take a guy that can move (assume range) will get to balls and make up for fielding….it’s 2nd base…not a hard position to play
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I can't back up disagreeing
but I don’t think speed translates into good infield range, because it’s more of a reaction thing and not as much of a “just flat out fast” kind of thing
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by Andrew Martin on Apr 20, 2009 10:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Frasier really sounds like an idiot most of the time
Dex knows.....
by The Lodo Magic Man on Apr 20, 2009 10:13 PM MDT up reply actions
Except when he's typing
Then he sounds like PinchHitLancePainter
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by Mondogarage on Apr 20, 2009 10:14 PM MDT up reply actions
Your a piece of work young kid
by PinchHitLancePainter on Apr 20, 2009 10:19 PM MDT up reply actions
LOL at "young kid"
Keep patronizing, I’ll keep living in reality.
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by Mondogarage on Apr 20, 2009 10:21 PM MDT up reply actions
It could be worse.
He could get drunk and pull a Grace.
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btw..
Have we claimed Humber yet?
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Apr 20, 2009 10:13 PM MDT reply actions
Rox Girl and I were talking about this
If we claimed Humber, we’d have to leave Morales down and DFA Belisle. I’m ok with losing Belisle, but I think the majority wants Morales.
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by Andrew Martin on Apr 20, 2009 10:14 PM MDT up reply actions
Dump Embree off on somebody
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Apr 20, 2009 10:17 PM MDT up reply actions
this
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by PioneerSkies on Apr 20, 2009 10:17 PM MDT up reply actions
Agree
However what lefties in our pen then?
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by Andrew Martin on Apr 20, 2009 10:18 PM MDT up reply actions
Glenny Rusch
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by PioneerSkies on Apr 20, 2009 10:21 PM MDT up reply actions
I'd rather FA sign Humber
to a AAA contract
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He's on waivers right now
and if he clears, we could do just that
Making a waiver claim would more or less guarantee him ours.
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by Andrew Martin on Apr 20, 2009 10:18 PM MDT up reply actions
Is he better
than Speier or Embree?
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debatable
he has all the tools but they aren’t showing up
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by Andrew Martin on Apr 20, 2009 10:22 PM MDT up reply actions
no....DEX!
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by fantasyfencing on Apr 20, 2009 10:13 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't think it was a 1-9 lineup
Just a defensive alignment
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by Andrew Martin on Apr 20, 2009 10:14 PM MDT up reply actions
K!
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big whiffa!
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Can't say im surprised
to come home and see this result right now….kinda figured that in the pre game thread
2 down....14 to go for a repeat Go Wings!!!
I think Grilli really got crapped on by the people in Detroit
for Leyland overusing him.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Apr 20, 2009 10:14 PM MDT reply actions
Jim Leyland is a bum
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by PioneerSkies on Apr 20, 2009 10:16 PM MDT up reply actions
Did the booth get shut down after that debacle?
no commentary
how did Marquis look tonight?
as bad as the line states?
2 down....14 to go for a repeat Go Wings!!!
Kind of bad, actually.
The lowlight was a 3 run homer to Montero.
by PurpleGlove on Apr 20, 2009 10:16 PM MDT up reply actions
He looked bad, but...
our defense let him down, as well.
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by Mondogarage on Apr 20, 2009 10:17 PM MDT up reply actions
All over the place, wild, longballs
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by Andrew Martin on Apr 20, 2009 10:19 PM MDT up reply actions
Decided to time travel to 2007.
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how many seats open in your time machine
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by fantasyfencing on Apr 20, 2009 10:18 PM MDT up reply actions
8 fielders and myself . . . so, no room for you.
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Sorry, what?
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by Andrew Martin on Apr 20, 2009 10:19 PM MDT up reply actions
K K K
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by fantasyfencing on Apr 20, 2009 10:20 PM MDT reply actions
Yeah.
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This team is in
desperate need of a big 9th inning rally to turn things around…how bout right now boys?
2 down....14 to go for a repeat Go Wings!!!
put on your rally caps, gentlemen
maybe they got inspired by Grilli :)
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by fantasyfencing on Apr 20, 2009 10:21 PM MDT reply actions
He inspires me
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by Mondogarage on Apr 20, 2009 10:21 PM MDT up reply actions
gave me a 3 year extension...
…sorry
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by fantasyfencing on Apr 20, 2009 10:22 PM MDT up reply actions
RALLY CAPS LOCK ON
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Apr 20, 2009 10:23 PM MDT up reply actions
Is Grilli our best reliever?
/ completely serious.
by Business Socks on Apr 20, 2009 10:21 PM MDT reply actions
He looked excellent tonight.
Hammel looked really good tho too.
by PurpleGlove on Apr 20, 2009 10:22 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, half excellent
He really didn’t throw well his first inning, but was very strong his 2nd
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by Mondogarage on Apr 20, 2009 10:23 PM MDT up reply actions
Grilli is my hero
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well I don't want to jinx this
but Qualls is an absurd groundballer and has an excellent K:BB
That said Bake’s gonna go yard here
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by Andrew Martin on Apr 20, 2009 10:23 PM MDT up reply actions
RALLY CAPSLOCK ON!
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I HATE YOU CHRIS YOUNG
I HATE YOU BIG STUPID GIMMICKY CHASE FIELD
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Nice play, Young.
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Why no DBack Skins
I figured he would at least come around and gloat a little. The Pit is getting on his case for double dipping though.
by PinchHitLancePainter on Apr 20, 2009 10:24 PM MDT reply actions
HE'S AT THE GAME TONIGHT
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by PioneerSkies on Apr 20, 2009 10:24 PM MDT up reply actions
Bingo.
Was there with kishi, snakecharmer, Jim, and Mrs. Snakepit.
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CHRIS YOUNG, YOU JERK!!
IT’S UP TO YOU, DEX
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OW 2 QUICK ONES
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by fantasyfencing on Apr 20, 2009 10:24 PM MDT reply actions
Dammit, why is Chase so damn deep
What, is it 450 in both power alleys? Got robbed of two dingers tonight by the field, not the fielder
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YEAH AT SOME POINT HERE
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by Andrew Martin on Apr 20, 2009 10:25 PM MDT up reply actions
Within six hours.
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yeah it'll be up within 1, get some sleep big guy
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by Andrew Martin on Apr 20, 2009 10:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Game over.
"If we never try, we shall never succeed." - Abraham Lincoln
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BAH
/rally capslock off
"DAMMIT! No, calm down. Learn to enjoy losing." --Hunter S. Thompson
Aut Vincam Aut Periam
AH TO HELL WITH THIS
/rally caps off
Dex knows.....
by The Lodo Magic Man on Apr 20, 2009 10:25 PM MDT reply actions
I think I need to follow my old employers
at least I know when they lose they’ll put some crooked numbers on the board.
by PinchHitLancePainter on Apr 20, 2009 10:26 PM MDT reply actions
FU
DGE
/capslock off
if you're reading this, it means my undying support for your team will result in its failure.
by fantasyfencing on Apr 20, 2009 10:26 PM MDT reply actions
This movie is worse than Waterworld
its a B movie….didn’t know they made those anymore
"Suck it monkeys, the Rockies will win this year", Rox Girl 1-11-2009
Damn.
Off to catch up on Flight of the Conchords. Tomorrow is a new day.
by Business Socks on Apr 20, 2009 10:27 PM MDT reply actions
sigh....
hate to it on this blog but thank god for my Red Wings….since the Rockies aren’t giving me any glimmer of hope :(
2 down....14 to go for a repeat Go Wings!!!
Chauncey Billups ftw
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Aut Vincam Aut Periam
by PioneerSkies on Apr 20, 2009 10:28 PM MDT up reply actions
yep at least you have basketball goin for ya
i don’t but i got hockey lol
2 down....14 to go for a repeat Go Wings!!!
by TuLoRocks2008 on Apr 20, 2009 10:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Okey dokey Frankie, it's all up to you
Just hold ’em to two runs or less….
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This team is too married to Marginal Talent
in both players and coaches. Can’t see anything but a 90 loss season…unless changes are made.
"Suck it monkeys, the Rockies will win this year", Rox Girl 1-11-2009
Agreed
I think they need to look at the hitting and game situation approaches in the Minors. As well as the pitching command issues of young arms. Heck when I played you got fined for not moving a runner over in scoring position with less than two outs.
by PinchHitLancePainter on Apr 20, 2009 10:31 PM MDT reply actions
Yup, they did things different in the 40's
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by Mondogarage on Apr 20, 2009 10:33 PM MDT up reply actions
You can stop the personal attacks
whenever you choose to do so.
by PinchHitLancePainter on Apr 20, 2009 10:37 PM MDT up reply actions
oh it was funny
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by Andrew Martin on Apr 20, 2009 10:42 PM MDT up reply actions
lighten up big guy, I'll take you to the 5-and-dime and buy you a nice phosphate!
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by Andrew Martin on Apr 20, 2009 10:43 PM MDT up reply actions
Maybe to you
but this individual repeatedly harasses or makes fun of me on here. It is wearing thin.
by PinchHitLancePainter on Apr 20, 2009 10:50 PM MDT up reply actions
ah
this would probably be an excellent opportunity to utilize each other’s personal emails, as to keep the board from looking like it did on sunday
/whistles innocuously
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by Andrew Martin on Apr 20, 2009 11:08 PM MDT up reply actions
seriously thought that Helton double followed by 1 beneficial groundout
and one pointless groundout disappointed me greatly.
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by Andrew Martin on Apr 20, 2009 10:44 PM MDT up reply actions
*though
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by Andrew Martin on Apr 20, 2009 10:44 PM MDT up reply actions
Were you also rewarded with a fine fat goose to take home to your goodly wife?
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by Andrew Martin on Apr 20, 2009 10:34 PM MDT up reply actions
you mention the minors
and this is increasingly on my radar with the Rockies. They don’t develop pitchers well enough, or in good enough numbers to feed the major league club.
I also don’t think the Rockies do a very good job of reading talent, and developing. Just the numbers that they lost to other teams this year off of AA, and A ball tells me that other teams see the talent..and know what to do with it. The Rockies…just let it flounder and hope it muddles to the top.
This to me is coaching..not just on guy…but organizationally deficient coaching.
"Suck it monkeys, the Rockies will win this year", Rox Girl 1-11-2009
well here's the thing
if we’re letting this talent go, aren’t the people who we keep arguably better than the players we let go?
I’m going to miss Koshansky, but it wasn’t happening. Morillo may have gas, but he’s wild as sin and he’s going to prove to be very hittable, what with no movement on that fastball of his.
Hammel will turn out to be a good trade, as Rodriguez is 2 years out still, at least.
We’re starting our top prospect, the 13th best prospect in baseball, and the Machine will be along sooner than we know it. Brandon Hynick’s playing in our backyard right as we speak.
I guess I don’t know what talent we’re not good at acquiring, because in my admittedly flawed opinion (our farm has never really been my forte), it looks like we’re doing great.
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by Andrew Martin on Apr 20, 2009 11:12 PM MDT up reply actions
Good points
see my note on rushing pitching below. The Rays have pitching already and will not need to rush anybody (Rodriquez). When he arrives he will be seasoned and ready.
The main theme here is that the organization is so thin on the top end that they have to rush and place unfinished products.
The other issue is the draft and the Rockies settling for ranged salary spots. You have Reynolds and not Lincicome, Francis and not Kazmir, etc.
by PinchHitLancePainter on Apr 20, 2009 11:22 PM MDT up reply actions
agreed
3 points.
1. It’s “Lincecum” – and amusingly enough, this isn’t intended to be OMG SPELLZING" but rather “Oh God, please don’t let us confuse Tim Lincecum and Bernie Lincicome” – I laughed more than shook my fist.
2. I completely agree on the whole “rodriguez arriving seasoned”, but how much of that is our fault? The past several years, the Rockies may not have seemed overly competitive, but at least we weren’t the Devil Rays, right? The Rays shut our mouths on that, because they’d been able to stockpile all kinds of young arms, and with no expectations, they didn’t care if they were throwing guys like Mark Hendrickson or Tanyon Sturtze because who cared? They wanted to put a competitive team on the field, but just couldn’t. Tampa lost for a lot of years to get to the point where their farm could actually be completely sustaining. I don’t want to lose for another 6 years before we can compete again.
3. The Rockies should’ve picked Longoria. I don’t care if it was a redundant pick, you take the best talent available. I still stand by NOT taking Lincecum, as his arm is just gonna sever one day and hit Buster Posey in the head.
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by Andrew Martin on Apr 21, 2009 9:40 AM MDT up reply actions
You want specific names of players? I’m talking in generalities. I saw Morrillo pitch the other day for the Twins, looked dominating. Hit 98 on the gun. Far more then Speier ever can or will….given away for nothing.
Tavares, the Reds think will be 100 stolen base guy, and MLB network, Barry Larkin, thought he was a key piece in the Reds seasons…given away (not a minor league issue…it’s an organizational issue)
Reynolds, drafted #1 will never be a major league player (talent evaluation)
Hirsch will be wasted away and through his options (yeah that injury last year was very bad), but it’s a waste of a pitcher that was in the Astros organization the AA pitcher of the year, and the AAA pitcher of the year…but the Rockies cant get him to the bigs?
But my Biggest: Cabrera was rule 5 drafted out of A ball. They think he could be as good as Rafael Furcal. But the Rockies can’t seem to think he’s as valuable as Koshansky (who was on the 40 man), that they ended up giving away too!
These are just some examples, I was talking generalities…..yeah the Rockies have produced some prospects, but how many of them have actually turned the team around in the last 3 years and became stars? Only one and for 1/2 a year in 07…and I think he’s the most over-rated player in all of baseball. and I don’t think it’s all his fault…his stance is terrible, and no one has the balls to get him to fix it.
And bottom line example, of where I’m at on the Rockies. I believe, If Tulowitzki was traded tomorrow to a team with good organizational coaches, l think he could become everything he’s suppose to be, as he’s still young. But with the Rockies, and it’s coaching staff (again, not just the big league guys I’m talking about) he’ll never be any more than Khalili Greene. The Rockies players…never get through the “growing pains” stages of young players.
You want examples of clubs that do produce talent, look at the Marlins, the Rays, the Twins, and even the Orioles (now that their hitters are arriving).
"Suck it monkeys, the Rockies will win this year", Rox Girl 1-11-2009
Can't argue a single point here
I have been saying this for four years and as a result I am labeled a malcontent and ridculed by some. But I played this game and coached this game and scouted professionally for four years (Cleveland late 80’s). The organization seems to draft prototypes based on signability. You take away the Latin American guy running the academy down there (fine job no less) and how many big league pitchers has this organization produced in the last five years?
by PinchHitLancePainter on Apr 20, 2009 11:43 PM MDT up reply actions
I know
that sometimes your comments are harsh, but I really think you are calling the Kettle Black. Some times the glass is 1/2 full…and that’s ok…some times it’s empty..and calling it 1/2 full is wishfull thinking and it needs to be called what it is
I’m having a hard time, with the ‘stay with it, one day they will be good’ and don’t we love this lovable losers approach.
This year looks to be 90 losses….next year will be too, and so on…the organization needs to be cleaned out, and until that happens…nothing will change for the Colorado Rockies
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Why are we faulting the organization for relying on Latin pitchers?
The DR makes excellent pitchers. And they’re far less expensive than the USA talent which tends to sign with Scott Boras. When teams can just pay whatever and just buck the slot entirely, how are teams that can’t drop $$$$$$$$$ on prospects supposed to keep up? Latin America, that’s how.
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by Andrew Martin on Apr 21, 2009 10:11 AM MDT up reply actions
The only thing here I disagree with
is Taveras. Yes he is speedy and can still 100 if he hits over 300. The issue for me with him is a. you cannot steal first base b. he simply cannot hit anything offspeed c. he is overpowered by hard throwers. His defense is good, not great and he had major issues going back on balls especially to his right.
by PinchHitLancePainter on Apr 20, 2009 11:56 PM MDT up reply actions
My real issue
is he was given away..and he had value….the Rockies, and this time O’Dowd couldn’t get anything for that value.
"Suck it monkeys, the Rockies will win this year", Rox Girl 1-11-2009
Tim Redding, see above
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by Andrew Martin on Apr 21, 2009 10:11 AM MDT up reply actions
actually below
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by Andrew Martin on Apr 21, 2009 10:19 AM MDT up reply actions
Well, without specific names, it's hard to have a discussion about it
I mentioned Morillo already. 98MPH is great, but when you can’t control it OR your breaking stuff, and the fastball is a straightball, it’s gonna be lunch meat. Just wait, Jim Thome will break his gentle spirit.
Taveras needs to get on base before he can steal bags. We thought he’d steal 100 as well. And then he had an OBP of like .301. We TRIED to trade him for Tim Redding, remember? The Nats balked. Redding’s worth about nothing as well.
I think Reynolds was hoped to be akin to Jeff Francis from the right side. I touched on this above.
Hirsh isn’t anyone’s fault. He was struggling 1st half 2007, and then started really throwing his fastball 2nd half, and was looking good…until he took a liner in the leg. Then Spring ‘08 his shoulder exploded. Now he’s lost his timing and groove. How is that our fault? Do you fault the Padres for Mark Prior not winning Cy Youngs now?
I can see the frustration with Cabrera. His last season in A ball looked like the kind of season you’d want out of a leadoff hitter. This season doesn’t have enough ABs to really make any case either way, but he’s looking decent…except that he’s out 6-8 weeks with a broken wrist. If we had put Cabrera on the 40-man, the cry would’ve been “Why are we wasting a roster spot when we could be putting Matt Belisle or Dan Ortmeier on the 40 man?!”, and now that we’ve lost him to the Rule 5, we’re all complaining that we didn’t keep him. It’s kind of a catch-22, and it’s a shame, really. Koshansky was a mistake we made LAST season, not this season. We should’ve traded him LAST season, as someone might’ve wanted him then. Had we moved Koshansky in 2008, Cabrera might’ve had a roster spot. I can’t argue with the mishandling of Koshansky.
Number of prospects we’ve had that have made a difference?
Let’s see. Todd Helton, Matt Holliday, Brad Hawpe, Seth Smith, Troy Tulowtizki, Ian Stewart, Chris Iannetta, Clint Barmes, Ubaldo Jimenez, Aaron Cook, Franklin Morales, Manny Corpas, to name a few. You seem to think that “making a difference” means “Winning the MVP”. This team of PROSPECTS won the 2007 NL Pennant. How many other teams have MULTIPLE prospects doing that? The Phillies, and that’s really about it. And we could argue circles about that one.
The Rockies had a 2007 much akin to the Rays’ 2008. The Rays had the far better season, no question, but the Rockies also won the pennant, and had major award candidates in the same season. The Rays had a much better team though, thanks to losing so much and being a joke the past 10 years. They have been pitching Shields and Kazmir the past several years, and have David Price in the wings. We have been pitching Cook and Francis(and you can substitute Jimenez in there too) and we have Morales and Chacin in the wings.
There are phases of a homegrown team’s development. Right now we’re in the “trade off the old guys and bring up more young’ns” which gives more momentum to PHLP’s ‘Trade-or-bench Helton’ campaign (which has merit, it just makes me sad). A lot of the success of organizations has to do with the timing of when the young’ns show up, and when their relief shows up. Ideally, you have a steady stream of guys peaking/getting expensive and then their replacements being ready to go around the same time. See: Atkins, Stewart; Hawpe, Gonzalez (although Hawpe is cheaply signed and can be played at 1B).
I think you’re being too hard on a slow start. Tulo may not have looked great the past couple games, but where was this talk during the opening season against Arizona? This slump is about as statistically significant as that tear was. Slumps happen, and they suck even harder when the entire team is in one.
I’m not sure what magical coaches you’re thinking of (aside from the coach PHLP brought up), but you’re judging a new staff pretty harshly pretty early in the season. Hurdle has a track record, and I do think it’s time for a change.
The Marlins go through like 2 year phases: 2 years of sucking butt, 2 years of slow improvement, 2 years of relative success. Lather, rinse, repeat. They got HanRam for trading Josh Beckett and Mike Lowell, so it’s not like their crafty eyes spotted HanRam in the DR. They are making suckers out of a lot of teams who trade for guys like Mike Jacobs. There is no ownership loyalty to any of the players, and it’s really sad to see. Hanley wants out. He claims to be kidding, but he wants out. Uggla could be next, along with Hermida and Ross, depending on where they are in their contract years.
The O’s look a lot like us, they have young awesome talent in the majors. They also have no pitching. They also play in a park that is very similar to Coors Field. They also play in a monster division, so we don’t have many excuses.
We’re in a tricky spot. If we trade off Hawpe, Atkins, Helton, Cook, we might win 70 games this season if absurdly lucky. We’d replenish the farm, more than likely, but in the doing, we piss off every casual Rockies fan in Denver. If we keep all these guys, we’re old and not doing enough to foster young talent. O’Dowd can’t win in this market.
(PS I agree with you on Holliday being overrated – just not as overrated as Rollins :-P )
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by Andrew Martin on Apr 21, 2009 10:09 AM MDT up reply actions
I’m not trying to start a fight with you, but apparently you do.
You seem to think this organization is in good shape, and pointed in the right direction. I totally disagree with that. I’ve made many points, and backed them up already.
I’m not trying to convince you, that this team & organization is not, and has never been a “winner”. If you think this team is…..well, I leave you to your happy delusion.
"Suck it monkeys, the Rockies will win this year", Rox Girl 1-11-2009
I'm not trying to pick a fight, we're having a discussion.
but I’m gonna go ahead and just walk away now
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by Andrew Martin on Apr 21, 2009 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions
Hit the nail on the head
There is a guy I know (former Rockie) who is not employed by the team but meantioned that there is sort of an old boys club approach to the ML system coaching (pitching hitting etc)
To me there was some obvious failures here. Carney Lansford should have been the big club hitting coach post 2007. Left for San Fran and Cockrell stayed on and was fired. Carney cleaned up Barmes and Ianetta after horrid Major stints. Also how many hot Rockie pitching prospects pitch any length of stay in AAA before being summoned, Jimenex, Morales, Rekar, Burke, and the list goes on.
by PinchHitLancePainter on Apr 20, 2009 11:18 PM MDT up reply actions
AAA pitching..not sure I’d leave them in Colorado Springs too long either..unless the Rockies buy a humidor for down there. Sure, it’s about $300k but how much is a pitcher worth….seems to be small amount to pay.
Personally I think the Rockies need to be cleaned out top to bottom. There is a reason, they finish in the lower half of the division all the time and why you can count the number of times it’s been to the playoff on 2 fingers….winning records don’t take too many more fingers.
Doing the same old, same old, with the same players…will get the same result
"Suck it monkeys, the Rockies will win this year", Rox Girl 1-11-2009
I agree
I think though they may have lost their window though. There are two very rich clubs in their division (LA/SF) who have suffered through about 4-5 years of stupid investments and are starting to right their ship. LA brought on 3 really solid role players this year (Ausmus, Hudson, Loretta) at good value. They are weeining themselves from the debacles of Pierre, Schmidt, Gagne, Nomar, etc) and are doing it right. Playing their minor league guys and filling holes with quality proven ML talent. Giants same thing to a lesser degree. The economy, the Bonds fiasco, and sensibility has prevailed.
by PinchHitLancePainter on Apr 20, 2009 11:50 PM MDT reply actions
and don't forget the Padres
they have some young talent, and more on the way. They cut their losses on Khalili Greene and a few others…and are rebuilding
Arizona is in the same boat that the Rockies are…..convinced that they are so close, and it’s not true…the talent just isn’t there, and they don’t have the money to fix it..just like the Rockies
Dodgers are starting to look like the Red Sox to me….good money to pay for missing pieces, and producing good solid major league talent on their own.
"Suck it monkeys, the Rockies will win this year", Rox Girl 1-11-2009
There is a reason they have been a storied franchise
the Dodgers now see that the O’malley way was right. It took a coupleof ownership changes and bad investments but they figured it out. Look at the 50,60,70, 80 and into the early 90s. They were a perennial playoff club. I think they are poised to do that again. The weekend showed how far this club is from a talent, pitching and execution standpoint.
by PinchHitLancePainter on Apr 21, 2009 12:00 AM MDT up reply actions
I think the new group
has the new formula down…which is develop as much talent especially pitching..than fill in with QUALITY (and not always cheap) free agents like Rameriz and Hudson.
The Dodgers looked at Blake DeWitt, and saw that Orlando Hudson would improve the team…the Rockeis stuck with Clint Barmes
"Suck it monkeys, the Rockies will win this year", Rox Girl 1-11-2009
Yeah and they packaged the LaRoche
kid to Pittsburgh to get Manny. Picked Casey Blake in Cleveland’s mid summer bake sale. They were not far from being NL champs last year. If I had to pick an NL team right now for the WS it would be them. They have solid pitching top to bottom, solid bench, a formidable lineup, they defend better than Dodger teams have in the past and they execute TEAM ball.
by PinchHitLancePainter on Apr 21, 2009 12:11 AM MDT up reply actions
I agree with the "WHY ON EARTH DIDN'T YOU SIGN HUDSON" sentiment
because WHY ON EARTH DIDN’T THEY SIGN ORLANDO HUDSON
Blake Dewitt is young, and has a lot of potential upside still, but our problem is we have like 3 Blake Dewitt’s. Our bench is very strong, but that’s because we have a merry-go-round of starting players, at least 2 of which need to be traded.
How bad do you think the fallout would be if we traded Spilborghs?
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by Andrew Martin on Apr 21, 2009 10:15 AM MDT up reply actions
Who gives a fling F' about Ryan Spilborghs?
He’s a marginal bench warming type talent. Just like Barmes, and a list of other players on this team.
This team and some fans are too married to marginal talent. They see performance, where it’s not, They see numbers cause some one looked into a crystal ball, and saw it in the future, and thus it must be true.
"Suck it monkeys, the Rockies will win this year", Rox Girl 1-11-2009
Now this is where we significantly differ
I really don’t know where you get this from. He plays right around average OF defense, and he has a good eye, and swings a good bat. His offensive production has gotten better every year he’s played, and last season he was one of our best batters. Add the fact that he’s a fan favorite, and that’s why I asked such a question.
Are you serious? How can you call Spilborghs a “marginal bench warming type talent” when he’s produced so well the past 2 seasons? Are you crazy? Comparing him to Barmes? What on EARTH are you backing this up with?
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by Andrew Martin on Apr 21, 2009 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions
My final diatribe
the 2007 three weeks of glory could have some serious long term effects. The run gave some people (Hurdle, Apodaca, O’Dowd) a coat of safety. The issue at that time was, Is this club good or good for only that stretch of time? Well there have been 174 games played since then and the team in 78-96. Will they hold unto to that legacy too long so that it becomes an albatross?
by PinchHitLancePainter on Apr 21, 2009 12:06 AM MDT reply actions
Was heckling the Rockies in person.
Fun game to be at. (For a Dbacks fan)
I called Reynolds’ homer, and when Stewart came up to the plate in the top of the 1st, I leaned over to Jim and said, “I wouldn’t mind it too terribly much if he hit a home run in this game and helped out my fantasy team. So long as it’s only one.”
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