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Thursday Rockpile: Street closing again, traffic delays expected

Some interesting splits thus far:

Among NL teams, only Philadelphia and Los Angeles have a better OPS from their left fielders, the Rockies have the top OPS in right field thus far, but rank only 11th out of 16 in center. Despite the struggles of Chris Iannetta and Troy Tulowitzki, the Rockies rank higher in catcher (#7) and shortstop (#2) OPS than they do at any other infield position (1B #12, 2B #15, 3B #10).

The Rockies starters and relievers have nearly identical ERA's, 5.52 and 5.50 respectively, but they're taking different roads to get there. The relievers are tied with the Dodgers for issuing the league's fewest walks (24), but too many fat pitches has left them with the NL's highest batting average against (.315). The starters, conversely have a middle of the road BAA (.286 is solid for Coors) but lead the league in free passes allowed (56).

Huston Street will likely return to the closer's role. The one thing that Hurdle's constant tinkering here and in other places does tell us is that he's feeling an acute pressure to win now. While all the tinkering's annoying, that under the gun mentality may prove to be a good thing.

Todd Helton's first Coors HR in ages was a welcome sign, and Matt Murton's life just keeps getting better according to Patrick Saunders' notes column.

Jack Etkin writes about the importance of Aaron Cook's return yesterday. Troy Renck counts Cook as one of four players that the Rockies are relying on this season who finally are showing signs of stepping up.

May has been a bugaboo for the Rockies over the last few seasons, in 2008 they stumbled to a 9-19 record in the month, in 2007 they finished the month with a 15-13 record but required a seven game win streak late to pull it out. The Rocktober team was at its low water mark, nine games under .500 on May 21st. In 2006, the Rockies had one of their lowest scoring months ever, scoring only 85 runs en route to a 12-16 record. In 2005, they went 9-20. With the schedule lightening up, I don't think they can afford the same sort malaise this season.

 

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The pen

Hurdle never should have panicked and yanked Street out of the closer role in the first place. A stable bullpen is an effective bullpen. Look, no team’s going to have seven shutdown relievers in their bullpen – show me a team that does and I’ll show you a team that wins 120 games. What you need is stability – you need three guys who know their roles and can be counted on to stay away from the crooked numbers on the scoreboard. That in turns gives the rest of the team confidence.

So who are those three guys going to be? Street looked better than he has all season yesterday. The slider was working and he had better velocity. He will settle things in the ninth. Aside from Street, Grilli’s got the best strikeout stuff in the pen and although he’s had trouble with inherited runners he’s still pitched fairly well. I don’t have full faith in him (or anybody) just yet, but he’s got to be that second guy.

Which leaves us either Corpas, Embree, or Daley to step forward. I’d like to see Daley get a late-and-close opportunity this weekend to see how he handles it. Corpas needs a couple low-stress outings to get his stuff back in gear.

A good bullpen has a couple innings eaters in middle relief, a couple guys who are servicable in the middle innings, and three real tough eggs at the back. Maybe we don’t get that third until Buchholz comes back but that’s a scary proposition to wait that long.

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by Franchise26 on Apr 30, 2009 9:31 AM MDT reply actions  

A lot of people are pointing to Buchholz' return as what will stabilize the bullpen

I’m not so sure that’s a sure thing. He has only had one full successful season in the big leagues, and it’s not uncommon for a major league relief pitcher to struggle after a dominant year. And even last year, he wasn’t as dominant as some stats say…his FIP was more than 50% higher than his ERA largely due to a ridiculously low .234 BABIP. He will certainly help – there is no question, but to be a great bullpen, we need to be at least a pretty good one when he returns.

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Apr 30, 2009 9:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

This is my concern as well

There’s going to be panic when THE LEMUR comes back and has a couple of good outings and then blows up one inning and several of our users hang themselves

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by Andrew Martin on Apr 30, 2009 9:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

I don't think we have the horses for a 'great' bullpen

Unless somebody takes an unforeseen step forward (Daley, Embree, or a wild card from the minors) or Corpas gets visted by the same BABIP fairy that dusted him in 2007. But if we can score like we did on this homestand, and Cook and Jimenez can join Marquis and De La Rosa at the big kids table in our rotation, we might be OK with just having a ‘good’ bullpen.

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The Shawn Chacon Experience - Life as a Rockies fan, one day at a time: Because we're all still recovering from those nine blown saves.

by Franchise26 on Apr 30, 2009 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

Speaking of Corpas

I noticed this morning that his average fastball has dropped one mph each season from 07 while his slide increased by 1 mph each season. I’m no expert on pitching, but that trend doesn’t seem positive.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Apr 30, 2009 10:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

i wasn't terribly thrilled at his contract

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by Andrew Martin on Apr 30, 2009 10:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

Pretty harmless deal all things considered

If we were paying him Aaron Cook money that’d be pretty awful. But yeah, generally you don’t give seventh-inning guys extensions through their arb years. Bad idea, but at least it’s not a killer.

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by Franchise26 on Apr 30, 2009 10:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

I guess that's true

It’s only like 2M/year, but if he’s this awful all year….

I mean, he won’t be, but yeesh.

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by Andrew Martin on Apr 30, 2009 10:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm a sucker

I still think Corpas can somehow regain that magic. I don’t think it was fairy dust (though maybe it was snot on the ball, Harris style) but his stuff was amazing in 2007 and hasn’t looked remotely the same since. We all have our “I still believe in this guy despite the evidence” guys, and Corpas is mine. Come back, Manny, come back.

by Teekalong on Apr 30, 2009 10:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

Corpas in 07

To borrow a term from Gilbert Arenas, what I remember most from Corpas that year was his ‘phenomenal swag.’ It was like he knew he couldn’t be touched. He may have lost a tick on the heater, but I think the loss of that swagger has been more damaging.

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by Franchise26 on Apr 30, 2009 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

No doubt

I think there is a lot to that. I know Keith Law and related statheads would shout that theory down, but I do think its true. He just lost the mojo.

And I love Gilbert Arenas.

by Teekalong on Apr 30, 2009 1:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

Corpas/Swagger

Without getting into drops in velocity (Corpas experienced some of that last year), which can certainly make someone feel like they’ve lost their mojo, there are ways to quantify one’s “losing his swagger.”

The composition of swagger is undefinable, but as a person who has felt an extra bounce in the step from time to time, I’ll define it like this: It’s a moment of good feeling after having accomplished something satisfying, where the good feeling sometimes inexplicably exceeds what should be derived from the accomplishment. Being unable to explain the abundance of good feeling can be caused by a variety of things, among which are overestimating the long term impact of the accomplishment, or overestimating the factors that a person contributed to the successful accomplishment.

All of that said, what Corpas’s problem can be summed up by the last part: People overestimated the accomplishment of ’07, and definitely overestimated the factors that caused it. All of that can be summed up rhetorically/anecdotally by saying that he “lost his swagger.” But it can also be quantified.

For instance, among the things that helped Corpas have such swagger in 2007was an extremely low rate of line drives hit off of pitches: 14.3%. That is a very good rate. Unfortunately it rose 8% in 2008, and is similarly high this year. That eight percent used to be groundball outs, now they are line drives to various parts of the outfield. Part of that is bad luck, part of it may be location (which can be plotted on a chart and is quantifiable, but may have more to do with physical mechanics than mental swagger).

Well, hell, here’s the velocity info: Another factor that helped the swagger in 2007 was Corpas’s fastball, which was faster and used more often than last year and this year. In 2007, his fastball was thrown at 93.1 MPH and 76% of the time. The velocity dropped to 92 MPH last year, and 91.1 MPH this year. Similarly, the rate at which he used the fastball dropped (wisely, probably), but his other pitches haven’t been as successful.

So, while you are correct that Manny Corpas has “lost his swagger,” you may find that “statheads” will agree with your assessment, but enjoy using statistics to explain it. There’s also a difference between advanced metrics like wOBA or VORP, and looking at plain old average velocity rates and pitch selection. Both are things you have to want to look up. However, the latter is understood without any introductory course, and can be a quick way for one person to quantify what another person intuitively understands by watching.

by deacs on Apr 30, 2009 1:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

Re:

I liked this post, but I’m starting to take issue with the repeated use of MPH to quantify whether somebody has a good fastball or can be effective with their fastball. Manny Corpas isn’t worse than he was two years ago because he lost 2 ticks on the radar gun. If velocity mattered, we’d still have Juan Morillo and Jamie Moyer would be coaching a Little League team somewhere.

It’s not how hard you throw it, it’s where you put it – and trust me, that’s got a lot to do with a confidence factor, though it’s not necessarily a cause-effect relationship. Those extra eight % of line drives Corpas is giving up may well be because he had trouble locating his fastball. But I can tell you this – if all of a sudden I started giving up a bunch of ropes, pitchers can try and get too fine with their location on the corners. This may explain Corpas trying to subtract from his fastball – it could be an effort to try and be more ‘perfect’ with the fastball. It could also account for the pitch straigtening out a bit, and could in turn be creating even more problems.

Me, I’d sit Manny down in front of video from the 07 NLDS and show him buckling Ryan Howard with the same slider three games in a row. Then I’d tell him – “Look, dude, that’s you. You’re not some nibbler who is scared to give up a hard hit ball. You’re a stone cold bad-ass who stood up to an MVP and didn’t blink because YOU TRUSTED YOUR STUFF.”

I don’t think Manny trusts it as much anymore.

I guess my point is that the ‘stathead’ view and a more scouting-like viewpoint in this case is kinda like the chicken and the egg. Which came first – Manny’s LD% spike or velo decrease? And where along the way did he lose his confidence? But you can’t just have one view and not another on this – it’s as silly to ignore the sabermetric evidence as it is to ignore the visual evidence.

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by Franchise26 on Apr 30, 2009 2:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Interesting points

both. I think it is a chicken/egg thing. I mean, his “swagger” caused by unusually low line drive rate—or perhaps the line drive rate was low because his swagger and stuff made him nearly unhittable.

I think the Ryan Howard example is apt and sums up my point. Manny straight knew he was going to sit him down. No questions, no concerns. I don’t see that now.

In any event, I don’t care if its swagger or luck or velocity or nibbling or whatever cool acronym you want to use, I just want him to fix it.

by Teekalong on Apr 30, 2009 3:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

Using Both

That’s precisely what I was saying (or trying to say). Numbers and stories aren’t mutually exclusive. Corpas’s demeanor and the look of his delivery are important signs in detecting that either a) his selection is off, b) his mechanics are off, or c) something is physically wrong with him.

I’ve only seen him pitch once this year, and I think he gave up a hit, but K’d somebody as well.

Also, this isn’t exactly a Bobby Jenks-type case, where it’s well documented that a pitcher is tinkering with a fastball in order to be more effective. This is an unannounced, pronounced drop in velocity. Again, I didn’t look at the chart for location – but the point stands that it can graphed and quantified.

All I’m saying is that not all statistics are for “statheads.” I couldn’t explain the composition of VORP or FIP. I know how they’re used, and so do a lot of people, but a lot of people couldn’t explain how to arrive at the number. But there are numbers that are simple to process and understand, and compliment a person’s anecdotal observations very well.

In this case, the numbers behind Corpas’s decline back up the anecdote that he’s “lost his swagger” very well.

by deacs on Apr 30, 2009 4:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

Corpas gets visted by the same BABIP fairy that dusted him in 200

And Buchholz in 2008. Maybe the baseball gods grant us one reliever a year to sprinkle with babip dust.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Apr 30, 2009 10:07 AM MDT up reply actions  

The baseball gods usually do

That’s the way middle relief works. Although if I had to bet on somebody getting a little BABIP luck, I’d be more willing to bet on Buchholz than Corpas – his K/9 and K/BB weren’t elite but plenty solid last season.

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The Shawn Chacon Experience - Life as a Rockies fan, one day at a time: Because we're all still recovering from those nine blown saves.

by Franchise26 on Apr 30, 2009 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

K’s don’t figure in to BABIP though…thought it is true a high K pitcher may have better stuff and thus miss the sweet spot of the bat more often…is that what you are suggesting?

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Apr 30, 2009 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Guys with better command and better stuff can miss the barrel more often – just a matter of improving their odds of having a softly-hit ball off the bat. At least that’s the way I’ve always considered it.

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The Shawn Chacon Experience - Life as a Rockies fan, one day at a time: Because we're all still recovering from those nine blown saves.

by Franchise26 on Apr 30, 2009 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

And also,

There’s panic every time any one of our pitchers gives up a run, ever (reason #54 why I don’t read or participate in regular season game threads).

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by Franchise26 on Apr 30, 2009 10:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

Agree on Daley

Hurdle needs to get this kid on the field to allow the bullpen roles to play out naturally – not to mention the fact that he had a great spring facing major league hitting and came out on fire in AAA ball. There is no reason he can’t provide a stabilizing influence on the pen along with Grilli who has been very solid, a well-rested Corpas, a mechanically sound Street, and their very capable long-man, Rusch.

by Purp McGirt on Apr 30, 2009 1:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Daley is an easy guy to root for

I wouldn’t mind him getting all the close game appearances Belisle has been getting

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Apr 30, 2009 2:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

In one AB

Murton is tied with Holliday’s home run output already.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Apr 30, 2009 9:38 AM MDT reply actions  

Yorvit has more...

and so do five of our outfielders

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Apr 30, 2009 9:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

I approve of this cynicism

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by Andrew Martin on Apr 30, 2009 9:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

Not any more

It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.

by smokinRox on Apr 30, 2009 3:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

Give

it a couple days.

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by Hizilla on Apr 30, 2009 9:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

OPS? Pfffff

wOBA is where it’s at.

And we rank 11th in wOBA in the NL.

Dex is 6th among qualified leaders.

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by Andrew Martin on Apr 30, 2009 9:51 AM MDT reply actions  

that is for CF

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by Andrew Martin on Apr 30, 2009 9:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but for CF on the whole, the Rockies rank ninth in wOBA

And most of the OPS ranks carry over: 1st in RF, 3rd in LF, 8th at 3rd, 3rd at SS, 13th at 2B, 12th at 1st, and 7th at C.

The good news is that we’ve been improving, the team is second in the NL to the Dodgers in wOBA over the last 14 days.

by Rox Girl on Apr 30, 2009 10:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

I don't know where you're getting that wOBA figure for CF

I pulled mine right off of BR and then just ran the wOBA manually

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by Andrew Martin on Apr 30, 2009 10:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

that's a head scratcher

I have no idea where they got that. You check the batting splits for the Rockies on BR and it’ll tell you what each CF has done AS CF.

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by Andrew Martin on Apr 30, 2009 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm frankly baffled at Fukudome

Although, he started out strong last season too, didn’t he?

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by Andrew Martin on Apr 30, 2009 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah he did

He had approached legend status on the North Side by May 1. I remember going to Wrigley around that time last season and there were more Fukudome jerseys than any other in the ballpark. He was a damn icon.

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by Franchise26 on Apr 30, 2009 10:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

I have a "Horry Cow" shirt

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by Andrew Martin on Apr 30, 2009 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

The

bottom of the 9th 3run shot off of Gagne to tie the game on opening day sealed that.

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by Hizilla on Apr 30, 2009 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

Funny story

This has very little to do with Fukudome, but – one of my friends from college was working behind the camera for a major TV network in Indianapolis last year. He was wearing his Fukudome jersey and the jib camera happened to catch his back on a shot late in the local news. The network then recieved MULTIPLE phone calls complaining about the vulgar language that was just displayed on their TV, with some callers wondering why a vulgar political statement about the soon-to-be-demolished RCA Dome would be allowed to show up on TV (FUK-U-DOME…)

The lesson here: Indianapolis is not a good baseball town. Though they do have a terrific minor league ballpark…

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by Franchise26 on Apr 30, 2009 10:27 AM MDT up reply actions  

Awesome.

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-Glendon Rusch

by Hizilla on Apr 30, 2009 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

Seriously?

I expect more from people than I should. I’m sure there’s a similar story for FUK-U-MOR-I

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Apr 30, 2009 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

that's hilarious,

Indiana’s population is definitely uptight compared to the rest of the region, I have no idea how such a concentration of folks with a stick up their rear came about. Add in the normal sprinkling of idiots and you’ve got a recipe for some awfully funny moments.

by Rox Girl on Apr 30, 2009 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

Don't

we have moderators around here to help cut down on derogatory type comments?

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by Hizilla on Apr 30, 2009 10:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

idiots are universal.

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by Andrew Martin on Apr 30, 2009 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

/rimshot

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by Andrew Martin on Apr 30, 2009 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

If you look around the room

and nobody else is an idiot… well, there’s STILL one in the room…

by Tom (RFTN) on Apr 30, 2009 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

yep, that's the joke

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by Andrew Martin on Apr 30, 2009 12:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

I can't speak for the entire population of Indiana

But she sure hit Putnam County on the nose.

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by Franchise26 on Apr 30, 2009 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying Indiana has more idiots than anywhere else,

But the state definitely seems to have a lot of people who will take offense or issue at the drop of a hat.

by Rox Girl on Apr 30, 2009 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

The only Indiana Idiot I know is from..

Santa Claus, Indiana

Ef you baldo try Hair-Be Dere!!

by Charlie77 on Apr 30, 2009 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

One of my best friends

sacked that particular person in a high school game.

by Tom (RFTN) on Apr 30, 2009 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

Quiet

She didn’t say anything about people from Oklahoma.

by Tom (RFTN) on Apr 30, 2009 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

I don't know if enough Oklahomans

To make too many gross generalizations about them. Give it time, though. At the rate I’m going, I’ll hit that region eventually.

by Rox Girl on Apr 30, 2009 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

Internetz communication

At its best.

Everybody’s in the same boat but they’re all convinced they’re on separate planes.

by Rox Girl on Apr 30, 2009 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

...that's actually quite brilliant.

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by oo_nrb on Apr 30, 2009 12:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

If I had been sincere

enough to have a point – it would have that it was ironic coming from you.

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by Hizilla on Apr 30, 2009 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

true enough.

I like everybody else just jumped in on the assumption it was a serious comment, only realizing later that maybe it was only half serious.

Just for the record, I like many Indianans, I’ve got a few friends from there here who I rib about their state. Now the Quebecois, that’s another story. Don’t even get me started on my gross generalizations about them.

by Rox Girl on Apr 30, 2009 12:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

Rockies can't hit, but when they do it's a whopper!!

- The Rockies are hitting horribly 15th in AVG at .262
- OK in OBP, 11th at .347
- Good at contact 7th at .444

Ef you baldo try Hair-Be Dere!!

by Charlie77 on Apr 30, 2009 11:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

Does

anyone else oddly miss DBS?
(besides peirzynskirules)

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by Hizilla on Apr 30, 2009 10:10 AM MDT reply actions  

yep

but I just email and call him dumb

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by Andrew Martin on Apr 30, 2009 10:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

I emailed him and called the Broncos dumb

but yeah, that too

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Apr 30, 2009 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

Whenever

two or more of you are gathered in My name….

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by DbacksSkins on Apr 30, 2009 1:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ohh, it's you

I couldn’t for the life of me figure out who DBS was. I miss ya too :) .

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by oo_nrb on Apr 30, 2009 2:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

You are too kind.

(No, seriously. I’ll get a big head.)

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by DbacksSkins on Apr 30, 2009 3:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

Lurker

Your name is mentioned and you post. I see how it is..

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by Hizilla on Apr 30, 2009 9:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

Only

because RMN emailed me saying I should make a cameo.

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by DbacksSkins on Apr 30, 2009 11:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

Waiting for the Dbacks to come to Denver?

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by Hizilla on May 1, 2009 7:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

pierzynski

"Better move your rental cars, I am about to take BP."
-Glendon Rusch

by Hizilla on Apr 30, 2009 10:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

The ultimate irony

is that like Street lost the closer’s role without blowing a save, now Corpas has lost it without blowing a save (while he was the closer, anyway.)

by Tom (RFTN) on Apr 30, 2009 10:53 AM MDT reply actions  

It seems

like a desperation move to me.

by rockieprogress on Apr 30, 2009 11:16 AM MDT up reply actions  

Bottom Line

Hurdle knows his job is on the line. As a result hes made dozens of panicked moves to the detriment of the team. This includes playing Corpas 4 out of 5 days in non-save situations until hes totally run down then yanking him from the closer role when he doesn’t perform and also includes the constant lineup shuffle looking for some magical solution.

by Purp McGirt on Apr 30, 2009 1:41 PM MDT reply actions  

yea, ironic

that in a rush to prove that he’s not a bad manager, he’s managing even worse than he was to begin with. Maybe that’s not ironic, in fact it’s probably completely expected. Whatever, hopefully he’s going to get himself fired sooner than later.

by Narcoleptico on Apr 30, 2009 2:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

I found

the title of this Rockpile to be amusing.

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by DbacksSkins on Apr 30, 2009 2:00 PM MDT reply actions  

I did too

but I didn’t realize it until my fifth time reading it. I’m admittedly slow today

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Apr 30, 2009 2:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

Catchy t-shirt slogan

Long timey lurker here who just signed up on the row…finally.

Sounds like the rox marketing folks have a new catchy slogan…

Street Closing Ahead: No traffic Allowed

PR should get at least a ten percent cut?

I like my ellipses!

by WalkInRight on Apr 30, 2009 4:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

I know...

the Oakland HollidA(y)’s probably used that one already…

I like my ellipses!

by WalkInRight on Apr 30, 2009 4:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Welcome

Glad you decided to join in rather than just lurk. The Row just keeps growing!

The great thing about baseball is that there's a crisis every day. ~Gabe Paul

by rockhead on Apr 30, 2009 5:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

Tell us where you're from...

So I can add you to the map!

Ef you baldo try Hair-Be Dere!!

by Charlie77 on May 1, 2009 1:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm a local yokel...

a mere ten minute bus ride away from Coors Field. Woot!

I like my ellipses!

by WalkInRight on May 1, 2009 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Think the Royals, Twins, or Tigers would trade us something good for Hawpe?

All 3 teams have gotten pretty poor production from both RF and DH.

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies

by Andrew Martin on Apr 30, 2009 3:48 PM MDT reply actions  

I don't know about that trade

but I know the Cardinals want a right hand hitter that can play 3rd….

And HAWPE? he’s been our best hitter….why trade him? looking for a decline in the near future? Personally I want to play with 5 OF’s…having an infield is over rated…time to think WAY outta the box (crazy comments like this are due to having on baseball today)

Now…off to Taco Bell for me

by Redhawk on Apr 30, 2009 4:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

oops

on baseball = NO baseball

by Redhawk on Apr 30, 2009 4:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Don't worry...

10 out of 5 Americans are dyslexic!

Ef you baldo try Hair-Be Dere!!

by Charlie77 on May 1, 2009 1:07 AM MDT up reply actions  

I love Brad Hawpe, I honestly do.

And not in a “well he sucks but he’s a cool dude” way like with Atkins. I mean Hawpe’s the man.

But we keep talking about the logjam in the OF. Spills will be gone eventually here, and we’re stuck with Helton. After the 2 years of Helton we have left, how productive do we anticipate Hawpe to really be?

I’d MUCH rather have Hawpe at 1B right now (despite Helton’s apparent onset), and have a Smith-Dex-Spills OF with Murton backing it all up, and then soon after that, we get Gonzalez.

My thought isn’t “Boy I wish Hawpe wasn’t around” so much as “Boy I hope languishing in AAA doesn’t hurt Gonzalez’ development”

I’m basically making mountains out of 1 month of AAA molehills.

My issue is that we’re basically stunting some players because we have too many starters.

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies

by Andrew Martin on Apr 30, 2009 4:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

yea

as long as we’re playing for the future (which we are) we might as well have gonzalez and fowler in the field everyday. trade two of smith/spillborghs/murton for bullpen prospects and have whoever is leftover is the fourth outfielder. get a front line starting pitcher and hope to make a run next year if gonzalez and fowler are the real deal.

by Narcoleptico on Apr 30, 2009 4:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

You're not going to get a front line starting pitcher for two of those guys.

And I doubt many teams would make a trade that got them back two outfielders, anyway.

That and I don’t think the team (or some fans) are ready to concede that we’re only playing for the future this season.

by holly96 on Apr 30, 2009 7:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

I have an infielder they can have....

a couple, in fact!

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies

by Andrew Martin on May 1, 2009 8:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

Helton will be on this team longer than Hawpe will be, IMO.

Not only does Todd’s contract run a year longer (I can’t see the Rockies picking up Hawpe’s $10 million option after 2010), but also Hawpe will have at least some trade value this year and next.

Eschew Obfuscation!

by Jeff Aberle on Apr 30, 2009 4:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

Speaking of Gonzalez

he had a decent night, 5-6, 2 3B, 1 2B. I am looking forward to seeing him in a Rox uniform.

It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.

by smokinRox on Apr 30, 2009 9:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Your point here

leads me to my one gripe about O’Dowd. I feel his major weakness is that he has a difficult time turning a surplus into a useful asset. With the exception of turning Ramon Ramirez (a useful asset in his own right) into DLR last year – he has failed at this, which is a key part of being a GM of a middle market team. It seems like with the massive returns rumored to be sought for players by O’Dowd that it is an internal overvaluing of those assets (maybe the same by us fans as well).

"Better move your rental cars, I am about to take BP."
-Glendon Rusch

by Hizilla on Apr 30, 2009 10:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

I like Hawpe but..

His poor defense hurts the team and they are much better with Smith-Dex-Spilly. I think Smith’s offensive stats will be close to Hawpe’s anyway if given enough time.

Ef you baldo try Hair-Be Dere!!

by Charlie77 on May 1, 2009 1:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'd argue

That

Gonzalez Offense + Defense > Hawpe Offense + Defense

Hawpe’s bat is so good and so dependable, I wish I wish I wish that we had 1B open.

Don’t get me wrong, <3 Helton, because Glove + Beard = .300 AVG

But Hawpe is doing everything better right now, and quietly had an MVP caliber April.

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies

by Andrew Martin on May 1, 2009 8:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

Gonzalez Offense + Defense > Hawpe Offense + Defense

Maybe soon, but CarGo’s O was low enough last year I don’t think the D comes close to replacing Hawper’s bat. Once CarGo shows some consistent offense at the MLB level, I think that is a plausible statement.

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on May 1, 2009 8:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

Well the issue is

How much does Hawpe’s glove detract from his overall value?

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies

by Andrew Martin on May 1, 2009 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

That's tricky

It depends on which version of Hawpe’s D shows up. He’s on pace to improve on last year’s horrific showing, which actually gave him a negative value acc to FG, and even be in position to have his best defensive season since 2006, when he was actually a positively valued defender in 2006.

You’d think in this situation that Hawpe’s D would be the known commodity, but it still has a great deal of fluctuation.

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on May 1, 2009 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

Also how is he SUPPOSED to show consistent offense?

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies

by Andrew Martin on May 1, 2009 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

With playing time naturally

I realize it is a catch-22, needing to see consistent ) from CarGo and not wanting to give him the shot yet…he’ll just have to continue forcing our hand.

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on May 1, 2009 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

With the power of his mind...

You didn’t feel the aura of Carlos Gonzalez in our 22 runs this past weekend?

by Rox Girl on May 1, 2009 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

I figured we'd sacrificed him to start winning again

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies

by Andrew Martin on May 1, 2009 2:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Newsflash

Holliday hit his first home run of the season today in Texas

by moomacher on Apr 30, 2009 4:04 PM MDT reply actions  

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