Troy Renck reports Rays looking at Aneury Rodriguez
by Rox Girl on Apr 4, 2009 1:54 PM MDT
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PrintThe Tampa Bay Rays have been heavily scouting minor league Rockies RHP Aneury Rodriguez as a target for a Jason Hammel trade according to Troy Renck. The 21 year old Rodriguez has flown under the radar among Rockies prospects, always performing just well enough to merit attention but not putting together a complete season, or a suitable off speed pitch to complement his fastball, to elevate himself to elite prospect status.
Hammel's propensity to give up the homerun may look troublesome, although not having to face Alex Rodriguez (who has 4 career HR off Jason) probably helps in that category a lot. Hammel would move into the Rockies bullpen as a long reliever and insurance policy in case Franklin Morales is unable to perform as a fifth starter. Renck says that the move would likely mean that the Rockies have to cut Juan Morillo unless they can work something out to trade him, the post says the Marlins are potentially interested.
UPDATE: Tracy Ringolsby has a source that says the teams are working out the final details on a deal that would send Rodriguez to Tampa for Hammel.
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Oh my
Say it ain’t so?
Maybe for Niemann.. but no way for Hammel.
Rodriguez's ceiling is Jason Hammel
With only a small possibility of being better than that. They’re very similar pitchers, actually. Please also realize that Hammel against AL East lineups will be far different than Hammel vs. NL West lineups. A 24-26 year old RHP can be expected to struggle in that division, could you imagine what would happen to Jason Hirsh or Greg Reynolds there, for instance? In the NL West it should be a different story for him.
Like I said
I’m not against getting Hammel, actually I like the Idea very much. I think Rodriguez is a guy we need to hang on to. Can we interest them in a Brandon Hynick?
I doubt it, for the same reasons you're so willing to offer him.
Plus Tampa Bay doesn’t need or want pitchers that advanced. I was thinking Chaz Roe might be who we wound up trading, Aneury would be just a step above him.
O'Dowd's Weakness
He absolutely has a weakness for bottom of the rotation guys.
Morillo unfortunately needs another year at the springs. Putting him on the big club is bad for everyone, including Morillo.
It would probably be a good trade all in all.
Out of options
That phrase is really starting to grind on my nerves… I so want to just send Morillo back to the Springs. Any chance we could just put somebody in a Morillo uniform?
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I may be wrong, but I sure hope Aneury winds up as a little more than Hammel.
I was thinking a little more of him than that, I guess I didn’t realize they projected similarly. Time to take off my Rox-colored glasses, perhaps?
It looks more like it will get done.
I guess it isn’t the worst thing. However, I still wanted Niemann. Oh well, Hammel was a top prospect with the Rays at one point, maybe he can find himself with the Rockies once again. This will probably be the last we see of Morillo if the trade is completed. Maybe we can pass him through waivers safely? You never know.
Why Why Why
Did we not pursue Niemann more forcefully? Did he make the roster spot? Honestly, why do we settle?
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I think we were only going to get whoever lost the battle.
by Greg Stanwood on Apr 4, 2009 4:47 PM MDT up reply actions
And I'm starting to think
There really isn’t much difference in the quality of those players. Niemann may have a higher potential, but Hammel seems to be at his potential now.
Kyle Boddy
Thinks he’s pretty high risk for Tommy John with his mechanics.
I have a hard time saying that a team should steer clear from a pitcher that is a Tommy John injury risk anymore though. It seems like a lot of the guys that have been having the surgery the last few years have been nearly as successful once they have come back.
"Better move your rental cars, I am about to take BP."
-Glendon Rusch
Okay I guess
I was more than a little bit concerned when I first heard about this proposed trade, but I’m warming up to it now that I seem to have no choice. Ringolsby helped sooth my angst quite a bit by saying the Rockies thought he has a potential power arm. I admit I didn’t know enough about Hammel and just judging by his stats I had the wrong (I hope) impression that he was just another suspect long relief filler to add to our seemingly endless line of 5th and spot starter candidates. If he does indeed have that ever elusive “potential” to be more than just filler, then I think it’s a good move. Actually, this sorta sounds a lot like that reliever/spot starter that the Astros gave up on and threw in on the Jennings deal. What was his name again….. Buckthorn…. No. Buchelle…. No…. It’ll come to me.
Unfortunately, I think we should look at this deal essentially being Rodriguez and Morillo for Hammel since Morillo will almost have to be the odd man out and won’t clear waivers. I hold little hope that Florida will give us anything but cash or possibly “future considerations” for him. And actually, maybe that too is for the best. As painful as it will be to see him pitch against the Rockies, I hope Morillo is one of those guys that changes teams and it all comes together.
Therein lies the problem I have w/ this potential deal
so we give up a young starter w/ upside potential (more than Holliday brought back, just compared to Smith), and a power BP arm for a guy that will pitch long relief in our BP. I just don’t understand this at all. Unless he is potentially a #2 or #3 starter it seems like a bad move on our part. Again this may be case and point for overvaluing our own prospects, but I don’t like it.
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As I see it
we are VERY thin on starter depth. We need at least relacement level starters in our upper minors. Hirsh, god bless ‘em, may never be the same. Reynolds, really hasn’t looked more than a AAAA pitcher. His fastball is average, but he needs better secondary pitches. Greg "i’m a soft throwing lefty Smith is all we have.
So who would the Rockies turn to if a pitcher were hurt? Rusch? Belisle? any of these excite you? Chacin is in the wings…but he’s not ready YET. Of all these Hammel looks the best on paper.
Oh, and Morillo..is no big loss…he’s got a very hittable, flat 95mph fastball, which he has a hard time locating. There is a reason he’s not in the bigs.
RULE # 1 of baseball: You can never have enough starting pitching.
Wonder why we need this trade? See rule #1
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Scenario
I think that the Rockies could potentially keep Morillo up and allow Morales to start the 3rd game, and also add Hammel. As long as the Rays would be cooperative, the Rays could DFA Hammel tomorrow, allowing a few days to trade him. Morales could make his start, and then head to Colorado Springs or Tulsa until the 21st, where upon the trade for Hammel could be completed and he could be added to the Rockies (or any team for that matter). This would give the team a couple weeks to decide on who to keep and who to get rid of when Morales needs to come back up for good. As IowaRockie notes, another decision would have to be made when/if Bucky gets healthy – but that’s at least 2 months in, and anything can happen in that amount of time – especially if last spring is any indicator.
"Better move your rental cars, I am about to take BP."
-Glendon Rusch
I just get the feeling that moving forward
Rodriguez might’ve been a better trade chip as part of a bigger package.
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Why would the Rays do this?
They’re just overflowing with quality starters. When they can’t find a place to keep both Neimann & Hammel, traded away an improving young starter (E. Jackson) in the off-season and have Price & Davis at AAA (both of whom would be in the rotation for most teams), why trade for a starting pitcher? Maybe it’s just a something-for-nothing proposition: they’ll lose either Niemann or Hammel on waivers, so get a AA prospect instead. But looks like they’d want a position player instead of someone to put in their already-lengthy pitcher queue. I’m going to look at Drays Bay & see what they’re saying, though I’m trying to stay away from that blog because those guys really get obscene in their game threads, unlike family-friendly PR.
No records in the last 10 years should count.
Fair points but.....
I look at it as a trade where they’re trying to address the glut of major league ready guys they are going to lose to roster crunchs anyway, for guys that won’t be a roster issue for a couple years. When you’re doing that, position really doesn’t matter so much and you go for the best talent available. And if that’s a young pitcher, then all the better since so much will change within their staff (injuries, flame-outs, etc) before they’re ready. Plus, if you take a look at the D-rays minor league system it becomes obvious pretty quickly that while they’re stocked with starting pitchers….. They’re stocked just about everywhere else as well. Especially middle infield which is where our strength in numbers also seems to be.
Look at their pitchers at Rodriguez's level though,
And they thin out pretty quickly, with only Jeremy Hellickson offering a real alternative. This is a move to shore up in case of injury in 2011 and 2012 for them and Rodriguez should provide a decent safety.
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