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Rockies Review: Nice guys, winners, and principles of mutual exclusion

Well, we won a one-run game today, but I'm fairly sure we did it by accident. In the top of the eighth, with the Rockies clinging to a 3-2 lead, Wes Helms torched a hanging slider from Alan Embree and only missed a homer because the axial tilt of the earth and the intersection of the sunlight combined to tear a small hole into the antimatter and release two particles of cosmic dust, that swirled on a breeze into Coors Field, hooked onto Seth Smith's jersey, and enabled him (along with the pixies that live in Todd Helton's beard) to time his leap correctly to catch the ball.

Okay, maybe it wasn't THAT much of an accident.

In any case, the guys did avert a sweep, which will have all of us feeling decent until they lose on Tuesday. We're wired to tentatively hope that maybe every win will inaugurate the turnaround, but, of course, the answer is it won't. The question du jour flying around the Row has to do with our feelings on whether Clint Hurdle should be fired. And what's the answer?

Yes. Yes, he should.

WolfMarauder and GoRoxGo have crunched some numbers over on the FanPosts, and everyone and his brother has chimed in on why it's time to give MLB's fourth-longest-tenured manager (and certainly least successful out of that group) the boot. Herein, I'll attempt to explain why firing Hurdle is a start, but certainly not the answer, without ploughing too much previously charted ground, and do my best to judge the prevailing sentiments of Rowbots on this issue. Thus.

This is long. I apologise for that. Had some things I wanted to work out. Skim if you want, but there will be a test at the end.

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From all appearances, and certainly everything to judge by, Clint Hurdle is a really nice guy. He certainly could have had himself a helluva career at a human relations firm, but through one of those quirks of fate known as "damn," is instead sitting on the bench, wearing #13, chewing gum to give Brady Quinn a run for his money, and calling the shots for our beloved baseball team. He's even-keeled. He doesn't throw coolers. His philosophy is, you win some you lose some. He makes the guys feel good about themselves. That, I expect, is why they like playing for him.

It is also why he is vastly unsuited to be a MLB manager.

Thing is, if Hurdle really wants to win, wants to damn the torpedoes and get it done, he's done an Oscar-worthy job at hiding it. This isn't his fault alone -- it's a malaise that runs organisation-deep. As I've touched upon in previous Rockies Reviews, the team isn't built to be a deep-pockets, high-risk, high-talent outfit. It's built to be decent. Good, if everything breaks right. And if nothing does, completely and resoundingly mediocre. The question has been begged, is this good enough for the triumvirate? They stumbled across a wildly successful month and yeah, that was cool, but who did they first sign and then have start Opening Day 2008?

Uh-huh. Kip Wells. There's your winning mentality at work, boys and girls.

NOTE: Franchise26 has pointed out in the comments that this may be an unfair tact to take, as we did not sign Kip Wells to be our ace and Opening Day starter. I'll agree that it probably is. But I'm not entirely sure what it says about the team that Kip Wells was the number-one alternate choice.

Now, I take serious leave to doubt that the Monforts are actually evil secret agents working to dismantle our beloved baseball team and calculating ways they can personally piss in YOUR cornflakes. I just don't think that building a consistent winner is that high on their agenda. They like going the reclamation project route. Drafting those guys with "good character," you know. But character doesn't win you baseball games and those reclamation projects have names like Jorge Julio, Elmer Dessens, Mark Redman, the aforementioned Kip Wells, etc. etc. The thing about Hurdle is that he encapsulates both of these problems, and he feels no pressure from the front office to adjust his managing style. Which has been roundly criticised, for good reason. This is a problem that goes deeper than the guy on the bench.

I also think it's important to distinguish between "not caring that much about winning" and "wanting to lose." I seriously doubt anyone affiliated with the organisation is actively trying to lose. I think they all want to win -- like I want to win the lottery, buy a Maserati, and a million-dollar home and never have to work another hourly wage job in my life. We'd all like that. Similarly, the Rockies want to win in that kind of way. But they don't seem to want to do the things that lead to winning, the same way I don't want to have to make my money by going to work every day and putting in the 9-to-5. I want it to come to me. As far as I can tell, that's the approach the Rockies are taking to hope that the course corrects itself.

Hurdle wins kudos for being a good "player manager" and "low-key," which is all well and good, but how much is that true? I've noticed that he can publically throw his players under the bus to the media after a bad performance, which I suppose comes part and parcel with giving honest answers to questions, but who does that really help? Deal with these things in-house, Clint. If you can. Everyone's giving the expected snippets about "know we need to step it up" and "we need to do more things right," things which Rowbots identified, and complained about, about five or six games into the season. Probably the sixth, since that was when we lost to the Phillies to drop back to .500 and squander a 3-1 start.

Occasionally, the guys actually show up, do some hitting, and win in a big margin. And then the next day they lose by a run. This is supposed to mean they're getting unlucky. What it means is that they're less predictable then a serial killer on Valium. Which means that Dan O'Dowd has said he "doesn't know" which team is going to show up, but thinks that it's too early to hold anyone to account (?!) Which means, if you are anyone else than Dan O'Dowd, that there may be a problem with the team that rearranging the deck chairs won't fix. And boy, is there a lot of rearranging. A few days after saying Dex had essentially won the CF job, Hurdle sat him. And then he trotted out a few more lineups. And then a few more. And he finally happened to notice that Ground Outkins wasn't doing too well. But, well, give him a few days off and let him "work things out." Panacea. Right?

Which leads me to my next point: firing Hurdle in and of itself won't be enough. The lack of accountability runs all the way up the food chain. They like each other. They have prayer meetings. That's great. But it still isn't helping them win baseball games. Which, you may think, is the reason for getting into the business. But not in this case. And, to be fair, the Rockies aren't the only team in MLB that doesn't really seem to want to commit to it. But they're certainly the one that's most affecting our blood pressure and general quality of life. As I've also said before, the expectations that fans have for this team is quite a bit different from what's in the front office. Unfortunately, it's the front office that matters. They're not blind. They realise there's a problem. But they figure it'll work itself out. You know.

Uh.

Does that mean that firing Hurdle will be a wash? No. The problem with Hurdle is that he's comfortable fitting into this mold and isn't champing at the bit to shake up the status quo. The guys don't like doing badly, but they know there won't be any direct consequences if they do. They'll go sit for a few games and then get out there again. If you can get someone in there who's willing to enforce, to lay down the gauntlet -- no matter how painful it may be -- and if this is the person who has direct contact with the players, then things could change. If you get a guy in there who fits less well with the front office's take-it-or-leave-it mentality, then you're breaking up the chain of yes-manning. It might be a useful spark.

(And then he'll get fired for not bunting enough. You know it'll happen).

Those that say "Who else but Hurdle?" are setting up a false choice. Managers that can consistently steer a baseball team to an underachieving sub-.500 record probably aren't as rare as hen's teeth. The change might (and here's the part where the wishful thinking comes in) spark a fire under a few lagging posteriors. There's choice within the organisation already. Tracy. Baylor. Weiss. Castilla. Hell, get Larry Walker on the horn. Make the Toddfather a player/manager. Even Dinger. While he's waddling out there to make a pitching change, the other team would be too busy laughing themselves silly to notice our EVIL SCHEMEZ.

(Besides, I'm pretty sure that even Dinger knows not to give Manny Corpas or Matt Belisle any high-leverage innings).

Which comes around to the overarching point of a Hurdle firing: Show the Colorado Rockies that the product they've put on the field isn't acceptable. We as fans can vote with our wallets. I -- and everyone else, I imagine -- really love going to games at Coors Field. I've said multiple times before that it's one of my favourite places on earth, and it is. I would hate to give up that experience. But I'm also getting pretty damn tired of going, spending $50-odd for tickets, parking, drinks, dogs, etc., and watching the offense underperform, the starting pitching underwhelm, and the bullpen require the Heimlich. Nothing has really changed. We have high expectations because of a three-week streak of unworldly luck. They talk up returning to fundamentals. And where does that leave us? 2-for-28 with RISP for the Marlins series. And winning a game only thanks to the aforementioned dark matter miracles. Yeah, it feels good. But it's lipstick on a pig.

I like Clint Hurdle as a person. I wish him the best. Just not managing a baseball team that I love enough to regularly stay up until 4am, watching them lose on Gameday from the other side of the Atlantic. And until he goes, I don't have any expectations for the team. I'll still watch them. I'll still root for their success. I'll still make all kinds of snarky remarks and furiously defend my dear Greg Reynolds against anyone who (rightly) complains that we should have drafted Lincecum or Longoria instead. But until the Rockies organisation as a whole shows that results matter to them by making Clint Hurdle the sacrificial lamb, I won't really expect anything different.

With that said...

Today is Mother's Day, as no doubt everyone remembered (RIGHT? RIGHT?) I would like to take this opportunity to extend condolences to a favoured member of the purple cadre, Ryan Spilborghs. This is his first Mother's Day without his beloved mother, Essie, who died in spring training. I imagine it was pretty damn hard for him, no matter his cheerful demeanour and ability to face down anything with a funny remark. Because we care for Spilly, and we know that he Spillied his mother very, very much, we're sending him nothing but good thoughts today. Enough even to excuse that first-pitch groundout to end the inning with a guy on third. Because it is, after all, just a game.

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I'll have some more thoughts on this later

But you should know that this segment:

They stumbled across a wildly successful month and yeah, that was cool, but who did they first sign and then have start Opening Day 2008?

Uh-huh. Kip Wells. There’s your winning mentality at work, boys and girls.

…is patently wrong and unfair. You know good and well that Kip Wells was never meant to start Opening Day 2008. You’ve framed this for the sake of your argument, certainly, but it’s just ridiculous to claim that the idea behind the Kip Wells acquisition was for him to be our number one starter and ace. Come on, you’re better than that.

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by Franchise26 on May 10, 2009 6:08 PM MDT reply actions  

No, it wasn't.

And I’ll grant you that it may be unfair. But it does show the sort of acquisitions they were making for a so-called pennant defense.

I love Greg Reynolds and I may be slightly ashamed to admit it.

by Silverblood on May 10, 2009 6:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yes and No

I totally understand your argument. I totally don’t know if I agree with it or not. I’ll have to do some thinkin’ on that.

I will, however, commend you on a terrific and thought provoking post. Your best to date. Thanks!

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by rockhead on May 10, 2009 8:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

But I’m not entirely sure what it says about the team that Kip Wells was the number-one alternate choice.

Granted Kyle Lohse is better than Kip Wells, but he’s not amazing either. The weather circumstances dictated going to the #6 starter, since the pretty much the top four would have been on short rest and the entire rotation would have been thrown off. The fact that Wells started Opening Day doesn’t change the fact that he was a #6 starter to begin the season, and I have a hard time complaining about him being in that role.

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on May 10, 2009 9:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

Uh oh Tulo

From the DP.
Just as Troy Tulowitzki’s bat is beginning to heat up, a left quadriceps injury suffered Sunday afternoon threatens to stop him cold.

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by walkoff59 on May 10, 2009 6:27 PM MDT reply actions  

wow

was wondering why he wasn’t there in the 9th. damn.

by BroJB on May 10, 2009 6:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

In other news....

Holliday went 0-4 today. His average is now .226.

And how was your weekend Mr. Boras?

by BroJB on May 10, 2009 6:33 PM MDT reply actions  

Another well said post

Second well said post of the day (RG’s from this morning’s Rockpile)

FWIW – My two cents

In my view, change is best made with a fresh set of eyes. In the short term, Hurdle needs to be replaced with Baylor as interim and DOD needs to prove over the course of the rest of the season that he can make the necessary decisions to get this team ready for next year. If he doesn’t (FWIW – I don’t think he will), then we need to bring in a new GM and let him make the moves and pick a permanent manager. If the current direction lasts beyond this off season, then we will be in serious jeopardy of wasting the next round of talent and the trading value of the current round (if we already haven’t).

(Side Note: I could be wrong, but I believe a majority of Rowbots thought this team was destine for a .500 season – with fighting for a wild card spot a possibility – and putting ourselves in position to be a contender in 2010. What would the sentiment be if we hadn’t had such a hot first week and then fizzled? Over the course of the season .500 is well within reason and with the right moves, we can be in good shape for next year.)

2010/11 Lineup should look something like this
C Ianetta
1B Helton
2B Nelson/Young
3B Stewart
SS Tulo
LF GarGo
CF Dexter
RF Smith

SP should be some combination of Jimenez, Morales, JDLR, Hammel, Smith, Hirsh, Reynolds, Rynick, Chacin

RP Weathers, Street, and what ever else is available

Unfortunately, being a "small" market team in MLB requires the FO to be right on decisions more often than not – i.e. they can’t afford to be wrong. In our case, DOD’s good decisions have been offset by the bad ones.

Right decisions
Trading Holliday – Three players will more than replace his value over time
Trading Jennings – Bucky alone outperformed JJ and Hirsh seems to be coming around
Trading for Marquis – Cost us a lot less than the Braves trade for Vazquez
Drafting Friedrich – took best available SP late in the 1st Rnd

Wrong decisions
Drafting Reynolds over Longoria – Would have solved 3B and cleanup issues
Drafting Weathers over Jarrod Parker – JP would be a top three Purp
Not trading Atkins – Stewart’s potential should have been more valued than Atkin’s regressive performance
Not fixing 2B hole – Last I checked Grudzielanek and Durham were still available
Folwer skipping AAA – He showed signs of great talent, but has the lack of consistancy been worth the risk of being a Super 2???

TGFPR!!

by jlot10 on May 10, 2009 8:44 PM MDT reply actions  

Not sure

we can classify Weathers of Parker yet as a bad decision. Besides, we knew the Rockies weren’t going to shell out the money for him. If they were willing to give out that money, they should have drafted Rick Porcello.

"If we never try, we shall never succeed." - Abraham Lincoln

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by Russ Oates on May 10, 2009 8:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

Weathers over Parker, that is.

"If we never try, we shall never succeed." - Abraham Lincoln

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by Russ Oates on May 10, 2009 8:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree

You can’t fault him for injury, and it’s not as if that type of injury ruins careers anymore. See Saturday’s opposing pitcher. There’s no way I can judge that Weathers was a bad pick after one full minor league season (and a pretty good one)

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on May 10, 2009 9:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

You

can play the “we should have drafted Player X before Player Y” game alllll day long. 95% of the superstars in this league were not drafted #1 overall, fact is scouting amateur players is often a guessing game on which players will develop, which will stay healthy with a dizzying amount of variables in between. Pujols was drafted in the 13th round, every team in the league passed on the guy 12+ times.

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by Hizilla on May 10, 2009 10:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

You've taken a different tack

than I do in a fire Hurdle conversation.

I believe it all starts with the choice of Coaches. That is the sole responsibility of the Manager. I truly believe that the Rockies biggest problems are their Coaching Staff. They appear to lack the ability to evaluate talent within their Minor League system, or within their Coaching Staff.

How can any sane Manager keep Alan Cockrell after seeing a dramatic dropoff in production? He should’ve been fired after 07. There were too many unexplained lapses in production over the year.
Same thing with keeping Apodaca instead of Bob McClure? Ever since 2005, I have been a big believer that this was one of the biggest mistakes this orgainzation has made.
How’s KC’s staff doing these days? Think this is a coincidence?

Yes, Bob McClure chose to leave our Organization, but when one stops to consider how many Pitchers are sent down to “figure it out”, how can we explain the fact that the big league Pitching Coach is supposed to be the most knowledgeable, at his position, in the Organization, and yet they kept sendig Pitchers down so McClure or Wright, could get them straightened out? I figured that putting Jim Wright in the ‘pen as “Coach” was a move to help alleviate this perceived “weakness”… How’s that worked out?
The ‘pen isn’t as bad as most are led to believe (yes Manny is having REAL problems, but most aren’t doing that bad. Yes, we could nitpik stats for a Pitcher to prove my point wrong, but my point is that their wasn’t a “plan” on who fits where in the larger scheme of constructing a BP, that an experienced “Pitching Coach” should have had coming out of ST.
SP? Total devastation IMO. DLR has been unlucky due to their lack of offense, and Cook is starting to get himself straightened out, but realistically, Marquis has been very lucky that he went back to doing what he’s always done, and shook off Apodaca’s “tweeks” that were made in ST. Why is ‘dac “tweeking” a 30yo SP that has been relatively successful as a #4, when Cook can’t find his release point/arm slot/balance/foot placement/ (whatever you want to add…) to save his azz? The #1 SP is having problems, and the Pitching Coach is screwing around with a #4 SP… It defies logic…

I won’t go on a rant any longer, but I will say that I believe that the Rockies will never be successful with Hurdle as Manager.

by rockieprogress on May 10, 2009 10:58 PM MDT reply actions  

Couple things

Are you suggesting that Apodaca was ignoring one pitcher for the sake of working on another? Because, while I’ve never been in a big league camp, I am about 100% sure that that’s not how it works.

And, also, you may be missing a qualifier here:

…I believe that the Rockies will never be successful with Hurdle as Manager.

Because it’s not like we didn’t win a FREAKING PENNANT with the guy. We did have success under Clint Hurdle. It doesn’t get a lot more successful than what happened in 2007. But as far as being a year-by-year contender with established players who have expectations for them… if you want to say Clint Hurdle’s not the right guy for that, you get no argument from me.

Staying on the sunny side of Blake Street since 1993.
The Shawn Chacon Experience - Life as a Rockies fan, one day at a time: Because we're all still recovering from those nine blown saves.

by Franchise26 on May 10, 2009 11:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

Pennant?

You really believe that Hurdle had anything to do with the pennant?
The team won that pennant by catching lightning in a bottle. Please take the body of work and remove 21 games that will be remembered fondly. If, as you appear to allege, you believe Hurdle has turned the corner as a MLB Manager, what has happened since the end of 2007?
Has the team been considered a success, or just another sub-.500 also-ran team, by any writer-blogger-knowledgeable executive? Please give me a reference of JUST ONE person that believes the Rockies have been considered as a successful MLB team. They’ve rebuilt the system, but what about the leadership on the big club?
What continues to drag the team down is, IMO, that the team has on its roster players like Barmes and Torrealba, and coaches like Apodaca.
I won’t even go into the litany of sub-replacement level pitchers that the team always feels the need to sign during ST. None of those players are on successful teams and that usually happens for a reason. There is very little “up-side” for them, but all they do is block a player that has up-side. Remember last year? Who continued to start Torrealba when it was clear to a blind man that CDI had all the potential to be a far greater asset?

by rockieprogress on May 11, 2009 1:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm not arguing your point

I’m just saying that saying ‘We were never good when Hurdle was our manager’ is wrong, at least the NL flag we won in 07 says so. I’m not making the leap from ‘Hurdle was the manager when we won the flag’ to ‘HURDLE IS GREAT keep him or suffer dire consequences’. If you’d read any of my other posts on the matter you’d know this.

Also, I don’t consider 2003-2005 to be part of Hurdle’s body of work as not even Casey Stengel could have won with those teams. But, again, I’m not arguing with you so much as I’m saying ‘Hey, this guy isn’t the worst manager in baseball history, it’s not like he’s Terry Bevington or something, his players seemed to like him and, hey, NL Champs 07’

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The Shawn Chacon Experience - Life as a Rockies fan, one day at a time: Because we're all still recovering from those nine blown saves.

by Franchise26 on May 11, 2009 4:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well, I did have more thoughts

But once again, they ran long, so I just threw them up as a blog post again – click over here if you’re interested. (I sure hope you are.)

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The Shawn Chacon Experience - Life as a Rockies fan, one day at a time: Because we're all still recovering from those nine blown saves.

by Franchise26 on May 10, 2009 11:06 PM MDT reply actions  

Shameless

self-promotion. Thanks for the link – I clicked :)

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by Hizilla on May 10, 2009 11:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

The two fanposts

Those are considered number crunching?

RE: The case for mid-season managerial change:
the improvement could be meaningful (it would have been nice to see them summed). However, the data is inherently self-selecting. What teams will replace a manager mid-season? One that is doing very poorly, or at least one seen to be underachieving badly. Are such teams likely to get better or get worse? They’re far more likely to get better.

The other fanpost points to Hurdle’s .462 winning pct and speculates on players being loose. .462 is not good, but how much of this is Hurdle’s fault? Before taking the Yankees job, Joe Torre’s career win pct was .471 in about 1900 games. It matters who your players are.

Hurdle is 0-8 (well, 1-8 now) in one-run games so far. But, as I posted in an earlier thread, if you take the teams runs/runs allowed in Hurdle’s7+ seasons, and use the Bill James-recommended pythag exponent for one-run games, we find that prior to this season, Hurdle was a whopping 2 games below the expected record in one-run games.

Did he suddenly forget how to manage in 1-run games? Oh, that’s right, the players are pressing. Because Hurdle makes guys feel good about themselves. Or something.

 I’m glad recent posts are starting to bring more attention to organizational problems as a whole, because I think Hurdle has been given far too much of the blame. He’s been made into a red herring.

by FooMan on May 10, 2009 11:26 PM MDT reply actions  

Great post Silverblood

This is a tough decision, but probably should be made. I certainly don’t want Tracy or Baylor. They would be exactly the same as Hurdle.

I have defended Hurdle a lot here in previous posts. A couple of things that I see wrong right now is his wishy washy way of playing players. He should pick an outfield strategy, and stick to it.

He is not making the tough decisions. I am sure he likes Garrett Atkins very much. He has long defended him. It is time to bench him permanently. Trade him or release him.

I would say the same for Yorvit, but he is playing well.

I like both of these players personally, but they are at the wrong end of the bell curve of players at their positions. For Atkins you can no longer say “Look at the back of his baseball card.” He will no longer be the player he was in 2006 or 2007. Ian Stewart’s expectation is now greater than Atkins, and so the move needs to be made.

The Rockies need to give the job to Stewart. A proficient manager would see that, and make the change. Instead he is delaying, and in the meantime hurting everyone, (especially me.)

You touched on the fact that there are manager’s available. I see so few good ones. I really like Joe Madden. Hopefully there is a diamond out there somewhere.

I was a Dodger fan in 1977 when the Dodger’s replaced Walt Alston with Tommy LaSorda. This was a real change as Tommy came in with a huge amount of energy and enthused the players on to victory. Of course he also over-used Fernando and Hershiser.

Finding the right manager is hard. So many teams give up continuity for another worthless manager. Somewhere out there is a 34 year old guy who knows sabermetrics, can enthuse his players to give all they got, and can put out the best line-up everyday. Someone who won’t have a problem benching Atkins until he is traded.

by brian8065 on May 11, 2009 1:22 AM MDT reply actions  

Back when you followed those Dodgers....

I was following the Oakland A’s of the Charlie Finley era. He, like George Steinbrenner pre-Torre, would replace managers the way you or I replace socks on our feet. A new one every year (well, actually, I replace socks daily because my wife says they get pretty smelly if I don’t).

The point is that our organization fancies itself as an “old-school Dodgers model”. Family ownership, and stability in the front office and on-field leadership. It wouldn’t totally shock me if the Monforts start giving Hurdle 17 consecutive 1-year contracts, just as Walt Alston was kept. The problem is that our Charlie should be more like Charlie Finley, an eccentric owner hated by his players, but a guy who WON.

by GoRoxGo on May 11, 2009 9:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

What wouldn't totally surprise me is if they (ownership/FO)

gave Hurdle an extension soon just to stop all the chatter about firing him. But if they did, can you imagine the hue and cry over that???

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by pedalpusher on May 11, 2009 12:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

I just have to recall April 2007 for an indication for that reaction

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on May 11, 2009 12:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

One more thought

I still hope that Hurdle can find some magic and get the Rockies into the playoffs as a wild card. I have not given up on them.

by brian8065 on May 11, 2009 1:32 AM MDT reply actions  

from a cubs fan

on the ‘looking to the future’ angle….

how minimal of a prospect do you want for us to have full rights to patton? i don’t imagine he would clear waivers to get back to you

our bullpen is shaky, and he’s being needed a bit more than we had hoped. just wondering. we’d benefit from being able to send him down. i’m sure DOD and hendry are having this discussion a few times a week.

by tim815 on May 11, 2009 7:18 AM MDT reply actions  

If you drop Patton you must offer him back to the Rockies for something like $20k...

he wouldn’t go on waivers if the Rockies wanted him back.

Eschew Obfuscation!

by Jeff Aberle on May 11, 2009 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

I don't have much to say

other than what’s been said, but I do want to offer this: freaking great article Silverblood. You can write!

"Don't tell me about the world. Not today. It's springtime and they're knocking baseball around fields where the grass is damp and green in the morning and the kids are trying to hit the curve ball." -Pete Hamill

by Bryce on May 11, 2009 12:39 PM MDT reply actions  

Thanks

Always good to hear. Keep stroking the ol’ ego, then it’ll build up into an X-man that can properly take on Rox Girl’s.

I love Greg Reynolds and I may be slightly ashamed to admit it.

by Silverblood on May 11, 2009 1:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

Apologise

someone has spent way too much time in jolly old England

by PinchHitLancePainter on May 12, 2009 12:57 PM MDT reply actions  

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Top 30 PuRPs

  1. Drew Pomeranz, LHP - AA/MLB
  2. Nolan Arenado, 3B - A (Adv)
  3. Wilin Rosario, C - AA/MLB
  4. Chad Bettis, RHP - A (Adv)
  5. Tyler Matzek, A (Adv), A
  6. Alex White, AA/MLB
  7. Kyle Parker, OF - A
  8. Tim Wheeler, OF - AA
  9. Josh Rutledge, SS - A (Adv)
  10. Charlie Blackmon, OF - MLB
  11. Rosell Herrera, SS/3B - Rookie
  12. Trevor Story, SS/3B - Rookie
  13. Edwar Cabrera, LHP - A (Adv)
  14. Tyler Anderson, LHP - unassigned
  15. Rafael Ortega, OF - A
  16. Peter Tago, RHP, A
  17. Christian Friedrich, LHP - AA
  18. Joe Gardner, RHP - AA
  19. Corey Dickerson, OF - Low-A
  20. Thomas Field, 2B - AA
  21. Will Swanner, C - Rookie
  22. Kent Matthes, OF - A (Adv)
  23. Albert Campos, RHP - A
  24. Jordan Pacheco, C/UT - AAA/MLB
  25. Cristhian Adames, SS - A
  26. Ben Paulsen, 1B - AA
  27. Josh Slaats, RHP - Low-A
  28. David Kandilas, CF - Rookie
  29. Jayson Aquino, LHP - DSL
  30. Hector Gomez, SS - AA/MLB
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Edgmer Escalona, RHP - AAA/MLB
Dillon Thomas, OF - Rookie
Sam Mende, IF - Rookie
Mike Zuanich, 1B - AA
Dan Houston, RHP - AA

updated 10/25/2011. 


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