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Big Men up the middle - this ain't the 70s anymore

SB's seem to be up, and everyone from Baseball Today to PTI and beyond are acting like we're going back to the 70s or something. We're not. Don't get on a horse and ride into the scrapset and expect to see grit and dirt on the jersey being the complete name of the game again. We're finding equilibrium between power and speed. Just because Duane Kuiper doesn't like Stewart at 2B because he doesn't "catch the ball" doesn't mean that he isn't the right man at 2B. (We're pretending Atkins SHOULD be playing for the sake of this commentary.) While I don't doubt that SBs are going to increase to counteract the lower numbers of dingers,

Fielding is such a touchy thing because everyone focuses on the end result - and understandably so. All of these classic players who were respected in their time sure don't seem to realize what fielding is. Yes, I know they were good fielders, they can do it. But how much credit do you give to the hands and how much to the feet? Yes, Clint Barmes is the superior 2B in terms of fielding, and his money is always going to be in his glove. Stewart's is going to be in his superhuman power, but we know he has good IF range, esp at 3B. His 2009 2B numbers aren't supporting my case, but his 2008 numbers do (I still blame lack of acclimation at a position), and I don't think that a lot of these "big guys" are getting the credit they deserve.

Just because every team isn't just lining up to sign the David Eckstein types to play the middle infield doesn't necessarily mean anything. Over the past 2-3 years, we've seen several articles about the advent of the Big SS, centering around guys like Hanley Ramirez and Troy Tulowitzki, and while Hanley was a notorious butcher with the glove in 2006 and 2007, his Range showed drastic improvement in 2008, and if he keeps up the way he's playing right now, he's a +2.5 W player just based on his glove. (Seriously, there's not a player I'd not give up to acquire Hanley Ramirez.)

Hanley Ramirez is almost an unfair player to use for the sake of comparison, just because he puts so much work into his game. As a rule, no, the bigger guys aren't the best fielders, but they make it sound as if Cristian Guzman is facing the wrong direction he's so bad (hint: he isn't). Brandon Phillips is another big dude who plays 2B excellently.

I don't mean to badmouth the Eric Young type, because they still do have their place. It's just that Sportswriters who pine for Charlie Hustle and Jim Norris are looking for a player to grind their axe on, so when you see Ian Stewart flub a grounder, it becomes an indictment of big guys playing the middle infield. They, of course, ignore the fact that it may have been a deep grounder that he had to dive for, or that he'd made the previous 5 tough plays, but no no these big sluggers have no room blah blah blah blah. Homers aren't GOING OUT OF STYLE so much as the numbers are more deserved now and less inflated. We still want guys who hit them, just realistically, and we're seeing more multifaceted players in the field anymore.

Chicks may not dig the long ball as they once did, but that doesn't mean they suddenly dig the skinny short dude with great range but can't hit it out of the infield.

Eat. Drink. Be Merry. But the above FanPost does not necessarily reflect the attitudes, opinions, or views of Purple Row's staff (unless, of course, it's written by the staff [and even then, it still might not]).

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The last 2-3 years?

Nah, it’s been going on longer than that. Jeter and A-Rod are both 6’3". Ripken was 6’4". Big shortstops have been around for a while, it’s not just a recent development.

by Tom (RFTN) on May 14, 2009 11:27 AM MDT reply actions  

er the past 2-3 years, we’ve seen several articles

it’s more about tulo and hanram, and the fact that the Ripken and Jeter builds are becoming more common

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies

by Andrew Martin on May 14, 2009 11:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

Well everyone can say what they want to about Ian being too big to play 2nd

but I thought that was an extremely good play last night when he went to his left, slid to catch the ball and threw FROM ONE KNEE to force the runner at 2nd. It didn’t turn into a twin killing but I thought that was a great effort that at least got the lead runner.

Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for too many men on the field?
Author: Jim Bouton

by pedalpusher on May 14, 2009 11:40 AM MDT reply actions  

Just for the record, this isn't meant to be OMG ARTICLE

It’s just that my comment on today’s rockpile went really long

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies

by Andrew Martin on May 14, 2009 11:57 AM MDT reply actions  

Just for giggles..

Here’s a comparison of 2009 ShortStops to 1979 SS’s. I used the stats of stolen bases and slugging percentage to benchmark the leaders and then determine their average size. Baseball Almanac provided me with the 1979 player sizes. I was suprised that players from the 70’s were nearly the same height but averaged 15 pounds lighter in Slg pct and 25 pounds lighter in the SB categories. The heavier weight on recent players with the same frame could be linked to an improvement in nutrition more than anything else.

SB ‘09 (6’1", 195)
Jose Reyes 11 (6’1", 200)
J Bartlett 9 (6’, 190)
..
H Ramirez 6 (6’3", 200)

SB ‘79 (5’11", 170)
F Taveras 44 (6’, 168)
O Smith 28 (5’11", 150)
G Templeton 26 (5’11", 190)

Slg ’09 (6’1", 202)
Hanley Ramirez .610 (6’3", 200)
J Bartlett .540 (6’, 190)
C Guzman .500 (6’, 215)

Slg ‘79 (6’, 185)
G Templeton .458 (5’11", 190)
R Smalley .441 (6’1", 185)
D Concepcion .415 (6’1", 180)

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by Charlie77 on May 15, 2009 9:10 PM MDT reply actions  

Certainly and improvement to nutrition

but also to working out/physical conditioning. There was a long time where it was believed that being muscled up would reduce a player’s flexibility and thus his bat speed Weight lifting was Verboten. I remember there was a BIG flap when Mike Schmidt admitted he was lifting in the off season.

Also there were no real work out during the season, besides the pre game fielding and jogging. Throw in tubs of beer after every game in the locker room, and well….todays players have come a LONG way when it comes to Nutrition and conditioning programs.

by Redhawk on May 16, 2009 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions  

+1 for the random German word

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on May 16, 2009 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

Knussen Verboten?

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies

by Andrew Martin on May 16, 2009 8:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's Kussen Verboten...

if you’re referring to that landmark pop song by Die Prinzen.

(Kussen Verboten, Streng Verboten!)

Eschew Obfuscation!

by Jeff Aberle on May 16, 2009 10:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

Geld Geld

Aeeeiiiiiieeeiiiiieeiiiii

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies

by Andrew Martin on May 16, 2009 11:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

i actually mixed up millionar and deutschland there

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies

by Andrew Martin on May 17, 2009 11:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

Das alles ist Deutschland...

das ist alles viel.

Ich waer so gerne Millionaer!

Eschew Obfuscation!

by Jeff Aberle on May 18, 2009 1:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

DUUUUUUUUUUUUU

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies

by Andrew Martin on May 17, 2009 11:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

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