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Rockies Review: Babies and bathwater

I'm gonna keep this simple, guys. I'm tired, I'm irritated, that damn homework STILL isn't done, and, as I imagine most of you are, I'm not too keen on writing about, thinking about, or putting up with this team right now. In essence, there are two courses to take: stay it, and hope that things get sorted out in time to make this summer still worth watching, or ditch it and pull a massive salary dump in time to free up some money for the Draft. But in either case, it doesn't bode well for the immediate or even the moderate future. I swear, this team would make Freddy Krueger look well-balanced.

There are good individual players -- the Toddfather and Hawpe come to mind, with Tulo starting to emerge from his slumber -- but that just seems to emphasise the point that they couldn't be playing less like a team. They get one part under control and another goes out of whack. It makes you wonder if anybody knows what the heck can be done to fix it, and gives you good reason to think that they don't. After all, why would you want to shake up the status quo, Dan O'Dowd? Eh?

I'm pretty disheartened right now. Nobody wants to think that their beloved team will be playing meaningless games before Memorial Day. As it is, barring a lightning strike or Tunguska event, this season is already shaping up as a wash, and it certainly will be if moves of whatever sort aren't made. Sitting on one's hands and hoping things work out, while desirable, is impossible. (I should know, I just tried it with the homework). The problem is... does anyone have a CLUE what should be done, and is there anyone in the front office who realises that something does need to happen? We can vent on PR all we like, but we're still just the armchair GMs. The actual GM, barring a kidnap attempt with lists of demands, chains, and ether-soaked rags, is beyond our reach. As yet. But PR's influence is growing.

/malevolent cackle

Let's give Danny some ideas, shall we? Below, in 1000 words or less, + spell out your plan for fixing the Colorado Rockies for 2010 and beyond, and surviving 2009 until we can get there. Humorous and serious efforts equally appreciated.

 

+ completely meaningless guideline

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Right. What the crap do we do?
Find a new hobby, like pulling out your own fingernails. That sounds positively fun in comparison.
10 votes
Blow them up. Trade the bigger contracts, free up some money for the Draft.
28 votes
Stay the course. Things have to get better, right? Riiiiiight.....?
13 votes
What does it matter? This team has flaws in so many areas, just changing one won't help.
23 votes
Key Clint Hurdle's car.
31 votes
Rockies? What are the Rockies? Oooh. Shiny thing.
6 votes

111 votes | Poll has closed

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I like the new hobby

Too bad pulling on my nails isn’t a new one. Maybe collecting baseball cards counts as well…wait I already have 40,000 of them so that’s not new. I should find a new hobby or work with some of my others.

"There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit." ~Al Gallagher, 1971
JFK

by jrockies on May 17, 2009 7:25 PM MDT reply actions  

Join a band.

Seriously…I can honestly say I’ve never thought about the Rockies while playing a gig. It’s therapy for the mid-market baseball fan.

Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave

by Mondogarage on May 17, 2009 7:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

I would love to

but I don’t have any bandmate possibilities that don’t play the same instrument

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on May 17, 2009 10:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

i play the bass.

terribly.

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies

by Andrew Martin on May 18, 2009 12:16 AM MDT up reply actions  

Small or large-mouth?

BTW, good job on the radio today!

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by Charlie77 on May 18, 2009 12:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

yuk yuk

thanks! I posted a bit on it in the Rockpile thread

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies

by Andrew Martin on May 18, 2009 12:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

I live across the street

if someone can get me a ski mask, i’ll key Hurdle’s car.

"Better move your rental cars, I am about to take BP."
-Glendon Rusch

by Hizilla on May 17, 2009 7:50 PM MDT reply actions  

Until they fire Hurdle

they will never get a different read on the team.

1) The pitching sux, so lets keep the pitching coach. Yeah… that makes sense. Fire Apodaca now.
2) Trade Barmes. The utility spot should be used for a developing INF, not a 30yo that underperforms.
3) Either send Dex down right now to see if he can regain his swagger, or play him like the 4th OF. He needs time to develop and the starting lineup isn’t working out, nor should it be the 1st option.
4) See if they can save some money on Atkins salary by trading him and picking up part of his salary.
5) Send Manny down RIGHT NOW! Don’t wait, he’s not going to turn a lightbulb on and “get it” while he’s pitching every game like its the one that determines if he’ll keep his spot. Let him, and everybody else on the team, that poor performance earns you a one-way ticket to the SkySox.
6) Quit drafting based on signability. It isn’t working very well and getting dependable spot fillers is a premium for teams that want to use young players.

by rockieprogress on May 17, 2009 7:52 PM MDT reply actions  

I'll just have an egg roll and some rice, please

Actually, I think the answer may lie somewhere in a combination of blow ’em up, stay the course and what does it matter.

The bigger contracts are, for the most part, not trade-able. Helton, while showing great resurgence and effort this season, is old-ish and probably not worth the money he’s making. (I hate saying that, btw.) I can’t imagine that anyone would want Outkins at this juncture.

Staying the course means hanging on to the likes of Tulo, CDI, Dex, Stew and Uball. For me, that’s a no brainer. After that, I’m really not sure who’s really worth keeping. But I really don’t want to see another 3 years of “Gen R”, either.

What does it matter? As I said in the game wrap, until the Rockies’ ownership gives me some sign that wins and losses really do matter, and that GM’s and managers and coaches really do have to be accountable for the team’s performance, I think it’s all moot.

The great thing about baseball is that there's a crisis every day. ~Gabe Paul

by rockhead on May 17, 2009 7:53 PM MDT reply actions  

Oh, and it all makes for a sad Rowbot

The great thing about baseball is that there's a crisis every day. ~Gabe Paul

by rockhead on May 17, 2009 8:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

Helton

He could be tradeable. He is overpaid. However, he’s made a nice comeback from back surgery, and there’s one year left on his deal. It’s still crazy, though. ($4.6M buyout for 2012? Ouch.) I’m sure the Rockies would still have to pick up a sizable chunk of this.

by FooMan on May 17, 2009 11:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Helton has reached the point where he will never be traded...

because realistically any salary relief the Rockies would get would be insufficient to make the trade worthwhile.

What a horrible contract that is, even when he’s tearing the cover off the ball.

Eschew Obfuscation!

by Jeff Aberle on May 18, 2009 2:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

After today's game

this team is currently on pace to lose 99 games. I see a lot of people that want to fire Hurdle (I do as well), cut this guy, or cut that guy, and I see a lot that seem to think that a switch will be thrown and all will be right in the world once again.

I honestly don’t have the answer for 09. or even 2010. But I DO KNOW that losing 99 games isn’t the right way

by Redhawk on May 17, 2009 8:08 PM MDT reply actions  

Fixing the Rockies, in Twelve Easy Steps:

Note, this is largely taken from a payroll relief standpoint (as the Monforts won’t look at it any other way) and takes into account the fact that some things just won’t be (and can’t be) done, like trading away Todd Helton. The result is what in my opinion is a young, hungry roster that will be ready to compete by 2011 at the latest. Consider the following twelve steps a modest proposal to the Monforts…

1. Do not re-sign/extend Clint Hurdle. Whatever magic he had with the players is gone now. If the Monforts are too cheap to fire him, fine. But they simply can’t re-sign him next year. The Rockies need a fresh perspective in the dugout…from an old face. Don Baylor should be the new manager of the Rockies. Seriously.

2. O’Dowd needs to either go now or stay for a few years. Dealin’ Dan’s years with the Rockies have been plagued by a lack of strong strategic planning with some good tactical planning. Unfortunately, this team really needs long term strategic planning—needing a serious reboot—and if O’Dowd isn’t the man for that, it is time to give him his walking papers. A GM in his last year is bound to get desperate and make moves that could cripple the team’s future growth opportunities at the expense of fleeting immediate benefits. There are plenty of GM candidates out there who are willing to commit to the youth and rebuild specifically around the great talent the Rockies have up the middle (Iannetta, Jimenez, Tulowitzki, Fowler).

3. Flip Brad Hawpe for a) a high-impact infield bat prospect, b) a sinkerballing, hard-throwing pitching prospect, or c) a combination of those/a second baseman that is not Clint Barmes. Hawpe is our hottest hitter right now (value as high as it will ever be), he’s signed for one year past this one for $7 million, and he’s at a position of depth for the Rockies. The Rockies could then bring up Carlos Gonzalez and be relatively fine. In addition, there are a dearth of power corner infield prospects right now in the system. Getting a power first baseman prospect for Hawpe that is a couple of years away would be perfect for the Todd Helton-blocked Rockies.

4. Trade Garrett Atkins (but be realistic on the return necessary to get him) to a team like the Twins or Astros that needs a third baseman. If the Rockies could get a decent reliever for Atkins and some salary relief that would be swell, but if it is effectively just the latter (maybe at PTBNL) we’d all be okay with it too. As a result, Stewart slides over to third base full time.

5. See if we can get a relief prospect at the deadline for Jason Marquis, who thus far this year has seen a resurgence in his value. Innings-eaters like Marquis are always overvalued at the deadline (see Hernandez, Livan) and getting a power bullpen arm back would be a bonus. Morales and Hammel have shown they can fill, at least in the short term, a rotation slot, and there is Smith, Chacin, Rogers, Reynolds, Hirsh, or even Deduno waiting in the wings.

6. The Huston Street sweepstakes could be hot and heavy this summer as big market teams like the Yankees, Mets, and Angels look for bullpen relief in the form of a proven high-leverage guy like Street—even if he is being paid $4.5 million and still has an arbitration year remaining. The return wouldn’t have to be exceptional to help the Rockies—an upside arm or toolsy infielder would suffice.

7. Omar Quintanilla is not depth…place him on waivers, keeping Baker as a stopgap utility guy only until he can be replaced by an EY2 type next year. In any case, neither should be in the Rockies’ long-term plans.

8. The Rockies need a real second-baseman. If they can’t secure one via one of the listed trades, the Rockies should aggressively move either Hector Gomez or Chris Nelson quickly through the system with the intent of having one of them start in 2010. They have been potential high-impact guys in the system for several years and need to either do so or step aside. The Rockies have to give them an opportunity at a high level to prove themselves.

9. Thou shalt not be married to marginal talent (read: Clint Barmes). Verily, Barmes is a utility infielder that is being asked to do too much. He’s even a solid bench guy, but is ultimately replaceable next year by a Gomez or a Nelson.

10. Sell high on Aaron Cook, if possible. He’s under contract for at least two years after this one and has shown signs of decline this year. The Rockies have several young starters that will be ready soon enough, and Cook could bring back ( this theme again) a young impact bat or arm.

11. Keep Jorge De La Rosa. His stuff is electric and he is the type of pitcher the Rockies should invest in for at least the next three years. He’ll be more valuable to the Rockies by the end of this year than Cook, if he isn’t already.

12. Note that some of the players traded for in the earlier steps should be on the team (and at least one would be), though I’m being pessimistic in the return (AKA no great second baseman traded for). This should be the big league club in 2010 (starters at each position listed first):

C: Iannetta, McKenry
1B: Helton, Prospect (from Hawpe/Cook, back-up at 1B and 3B)
2B: Nelson or Gomez, EY2
SS: Tulowitzki
3B: Stewart
LF: Smith, Murton
CF: Fowler, Spilborghs
RF: Gonzalez

SP1: Jimenez
SP2: De La Rosa
SP3: Morales
SP4: Smith
SP5: Hammel

Long Man: Chacin
Middle Relief: Corpas, Daley, Grilli/Hirsh
LOOGY: FA pickup
Set-Up: Weathers
Closer: Buchholz

And this roster is assuming that we get very little in immediate return for all of the players we would trade. Since this is so long (just over 1000 words) I’ll also put it up as a fanpost.

Eschew Obfuscation!

by Jeff Aberle on May 17, 2009 9:17 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Try to move Spilborghs too

Spilborghs also seems to have a lot of perceived value around the league. But he’s pretty old relative to his service time, and he probably profiles more as a 4th outfielder long-term (as evidenced by your projected lineup). We should try to move him at the deadline for a moderate return (upside arm/toolsy infielder/good reliever).

by Junglepack on May 17, 2009 9:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

Right now,

that rotation looks uninspiring outside of Jimenez. I like De La Rosa, but projecting him as the number two leaves a lot to be desired.

"If we never try, we shall never succeed." - Abraham Lincoln

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by Russ Oates on May 17, 2009 9:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying it's an ideal situation for 2010...

but as Chacin/whatnot get experience it could become more promising quickly.

Eschew Obfuscation!

by Jeff Aberle on May 17, 2009 9:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

A torn labrum is as close to a career ending injury as there is

It’s far worse than Tommy John surgery. As early as the first half of the decade, there was only a 5% return rate. He very well could return with advances in technology and rehab, but at this point, it’s probably best to assume the worst in projections

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on May 17, 2009 10:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the info...

I hadn’t realized his outlook was so grim.

by alex colfax on May 17, 2009 10:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Important disclaimer:

I haven’t heard reports on just how bad the tear was, so it’s hard to know for sure. But even with good rehab, he could be behind several other arms

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on May 17, 2009 11:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Francis

the other thing is, Francis was always performing on the edge…he didn’t have the stuff to succeed without having his pitches be on the money. If he loses just a little velocity or command due to the shoulder injury, he’s finished.

by FooMan on May 17, 2009 11:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yep.

Even in his “career year” of 2007, which actually wasn’t his career year, his ERA+ was just 114…which is less than Huston Street this year

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on May 18, 2009 12:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

shut up 17 wins

I was never wowed by Francis. I just know we miss his 200 IP.

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies

by Andrew Martin on May 18, 2009 12:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Though Ubaldo and Marquis are now projected to eclipse 200 and DLR and Cook 190.

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on May 18, 2009 12:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

My plan to fix the Rockies...

In 2007 the Rockies were completing the greatest run in Baseball history, when suddenly their mojo was lost in the snow while waiting for the Red Sox to finish off the Cleveland Indians.


In order to avert disaster in 2009 the Rockies must travel back in time to 2007 by using the services of a reliable Time Machine.

Then the team can take the aging stars of 2007 who suddenly peaked after Game 4 of the NLCS and provide them with everlasting life.


Converting the 2007 Rockies into Vampires would prevent a Garret Atkins-like erosion of talent, while also capturing the 18-35 female Twilight fan demographic.

The downside of having a team full of Vampires would be in satisfying the occassional thirst for blood. But a steady supply could be provided from a list of regular DP posters. Also the Monforts would feel more comfortable around the players since they have been accused of being blood sucking leaches. The upside to this plan is the Rockies speed game would be drastically improved and they would probably lead the league in stolen bases.

Check out my Rockies comic strip at:
Rock Drive 1.4

by Charlie77 on May 18, 2009 12:24 AM MDT reply actions  

Not for Twilight vampires...

yeah, I don’t get it either.

Those books are trash.

Eschew Obfuscation!

by Jeff Aberle on May 18, 2009 2:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

Since I'm not a teen girl

I didn’t read them…or see the movie. I would have gone with a team of Teen Wolves over vampires myself

by Redhawk on May 18, 2009 8:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

Oooh...

A Rockies time machine would be quite excellent.

You could:

  • go back to the October 2005 NLDS and tell Don Baylor not to use his last position player as a pinch runner because he might, y’know, need him later on.
  • go back to the 2006 draft and intercept the card that said “Greg Reynolds” before it got to the podium
  • Go back to 1993 and convince my younger self to become a Cardinals fan.

by BroJB on May 18, 2009 12:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

yours is better, I just haven’t gotten to post this in awhile

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies

by Andrew Martin on May 19, 2009 12:16 AM MDT up reply actions  

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