Memorial Day Massacre: Dodgers 16, Rockies 6
by Rox Girl on May 25, 2009 6:55 PM MDT
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Rockies master art of imploding innings in loss to Dodgers;
2009 season demolition on schedule
Think of those two smokestacks as the fourth and seventh innings.
Compare our comeback from a 7-1 deficit:
with the Padres comeback from a 7-1 deficit:
What the Padres did against the Diamondbacks was stop the bleeding with their bullpen, have enough offense to come back all the way to tie, and win on an HR in the tenth. What the Rockies did against the Dodgers was hemmorhage another big inning with the bullpen, have only enough offense to come back part of the way anyway, so that additional bullpen bleeding may not have mattered that much, and not even be in a position to have a clutch tenth inning HR.
I think we've run out of fingers to point with, here. Eric Stults should be a beatable pitcher, particularly at home at Coors Field. The Dodgers offense is very good, but letting the Juans, Castro and Pierre, be the run producers for them, as well as Jamie Hoffman, who is a week removed from AA ball, shows once again that same problem that our pitchers had early in the season of lapsing against weak portions of the lineup. If the Dodgers scrubs can beat us this handily, what chance should fans feel the Rockies have when they are at full strength?
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To everyone who voted:
“Are you kidding? They’ll do something awful against the Dodgers, and we’ll all be having existential crises again”:
I award the Cassandra’s Golden Albatross of Unfortunate But Accurate Predictions Award. Congratulations! +
+this sucks
I love Greg Reynolds and I may be slightly ashamed to admit it.
by Silverblood on May 25, 2009 7:02 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Stults Beatable?
He was definitely beatable and that is why he left the game early and with a strike:ball less than one (he threw more balls than strikes), and he wasn’t the only Dodger pitcher to have those troubles.
On a side note the ceremony for Todd Helton was really cool, showing his most important career hits on the jumbotron: 1st hit, 1st HR, cycle, 500, 1000, 1500, walk-off HR against Dodgers, and 2000. He received something that was framed but I didn’t see it from the upper deck. Very cool
"We made too many wrong mistakes." ~Yogi Berra
"The ballplayer who loses his head, who can't keep his cool, is worse than no ballplayer at all." ~Lou Gehrig
JFK
by jrockies on May 25, 2009 7:09 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Offense
I believe that the Rox have enough offense to come back on most clubs. Obviously the bullpen did not bring enough tourniquets.
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by walkoff59 on May 25, 2009 7:11 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
The bullpen
did not bring squat today. Well, except for gift pitches that the Dodgers were only happy to swat around like so many beach balls.
I believe that the Rox have enough offense to come back on most clubs.
As long as Outkins isn’t in the lineup, I’d agree with you. Yeah, I’m being negative, but that’s what a holiday massacre does to me. What an embarrassing loss this afternoon.
The great thing about baseball is that there's a crisis every day. ~Gabe Paul
by rockhead on May 25, 2009 7:58 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the weekly score predictions
I predicted the Dodgers would hang 17 on us on Wednesday. I was just a couple of days off. But then again, the way this club is going, it might happen again.
Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for too many men on the field?
Author: Jim Bouton
by pedalpusher on May 25, 2009 8:07 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Rockies baseball is cruelty, and you cannot refine it.
Points for anyone who knows the word I changed in the above and who said it.
"If we never try, we shall never succeed." - Abraham Lincoln
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by Russ Oates on May 25, 2009 8:18 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
"Rockies baseball" is "War" and Sherman.
"Don't tell me about the world. Not today. It's springtime and they're knocking baseballs around fields where the grass is damp and green in the morning and the kids are trying to hit the curve ball." -Pete Hamill
by Bryce on May 25, 2009 9:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
both can be used interchangeably.
That Casey Weathers injury looms larger and larger.
Also, it looks like the Rays are copying the blopen model… at least for tonight.
by Resolution on May 25, 2009 8:40 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
We passed the "this is stupid" point a long time ago
And now I can say we have just passed the “this is pathetic” point of the season.
Welcome to the new era, the “I’m embarrassed to be a fan” point.
by mkorpal on May 25, 2009 8:31 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
What about the
“hey at least we’re not the Nationals” point? That has to be in there somewhere.
by Resolution on May 25, 2009 8:36 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Nats are about a week away from getting the top pitching prospect in many years
they may have a shutdown stopper in a couple of years. I have been avoiding the row for awhile due to my hectic work schedule, kids softball and baseball, etc. I have not been watching much of the games either. I watched some today and walked away in the seventh. I have tickets tomorrow night and am not going to go to the game. I am pretty much done with this team until they make some long overdue changes. Not only in the Manager/GM roles but also in the scouting and player development area. Right now they are not in my entertainment food chain.
by PinchHitLancePainter on May 25, 2009 9:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
good for you
I am doing the same thing. If more fans would demand accountability, and speak with their $$$, the Rockies wouldn’t be in this boat. Sickening that Rockies fans were happy with the 5-5 road trip, like mediocrity is somehow good enough. I’m done with this crap.
by Narcoleptico on May 25, 2009 11:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have tickets
to tonight’s (Tuesday) game as well. I’m debating on if I will go. I know one thing, and that is I won’t buy another ticket to this team so long as the current front office regime is in place.
Right now I think the Rockies are the worst organization in baseball (and that has little to do with wins and losses). I don’t think I need to support them with my cash any more.
by Redhawk on May 26, 2009 9:22 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have tickets tonight
But I will go. Might as well actually get something out of them. But if we get another yesterday, I will not be staying too long at the game.
by mkorpal on May 26, 2009 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take your tickets if you aren't going
Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies
by Andrew Martin on May 26, 2009 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Worse than the Pirates?
I will continue to spend money on this team, going to games, etc. because I love to watch baseball live and I love watching the Colorado Rockies, win or lose. I simply can’t identify with this mind-frame…and I don’t ever want to.
Eschew Obfuscation!
by Jeff Aberle on May 26, 2009 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
hell yes to this
Denver Sports fans jump ship an awful lot.
Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies
by Andrew Martin on May 26, 2009 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
For me
it’s not jumping ship when things are down. I went to several games in 04 & 05. When I thought things were pointed in the right direction. Now, I don’t think they are pointed in the right direction.
In fact I don’t think they are pointed anywhere at all.
I have only one thing I can do that will get the attention of the Rockies front office. If I keep spending money…what message will that send? It will say…“You are right..it’s ok to be terrible….I’ll still show up and give you money.” (not the message I want the FO to get)
by Redhawk on May 26, 2009 11:28 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you define "jumping ship" then?
Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies
by Andrew Martin on May 26, 2009 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
not supporting a team that is getting things in order, but happen to be down, like the 04-05-06 Rockies.
But one that is totally lost, and hopeless, and Totally clueless….that I have a tough time voting to support. That is unacceptable. The only vote I have is my wallet. It’s the only one that matters to the Front Office.
And it’s not about wins and losses. I think the Padres are just as lost, and they are on a winning streak. I think the Nationals are trying to turn the boat around…and they have the worst record in baseball.
by Redhawk on May 26, 2009 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes worse then the Pirates
who are spending a ton of money in latin america right now. It will take a few years to show up at the major league level, but they are doing something somewhere…and that’s more then the Rockies right now.
by Redhawk on May 26, 2009 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're NOT spending lots of money in Latin America?
Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies
by Andrew Martin on May 26, 2009 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
not any where
close to the Pirates (as I understand)
by Redhawk on May 26, 2009 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd need to see numbers before I get on board this
Because the Rockies were one of the bigger franchises in terms of Latin American presence, at least in the DR.
Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies
by Andrew Martin on May 26, 2009 12:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
And even if the Pirates happen to spend more...
Who cares, as long as the Rockies are competitive in this area overall? Which I’m pretty sure they are, especially compared to some of the other NL West teams.
by holly96 on May 26, 2009 12:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's a good point
Does spending $$$ mean they open X number of baseball academies, or does it mean they signed players to contracts using said money?
Because if it’s the latter, then spending for the sake of spending does NOT equal good.
If it’s the former though then go pirates wooo
Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies
by Andrew Martin on May 26, 2009 12:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe it's more the later
they are signing players and giving out good bonuses to out bid other clubs to sign them. One in particular made head lines not too long ago, as the Pirates were out bidding some bigger money teams for a player.
by Redhawk on May 26, 2009 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That being the case
We’ll have to sit back and watch who they come up with. Usually these latin talents are like 18 when they’re signed, so we’ll see how they pan out and compare with Morales and Jimenez and Chacin.
Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies
by Andrew Martin on May 26, 2009 1:52 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Rockies follow the same model there as they do in FA and the draft
That is, they let the big name players and prospects slide by to the teams willing to spend and then look for bargains after that’s been done. They do give out healthy bonuses to these players, but the fact remains is that they are leftovers. The Rockies apparently won’t compete for the most elite talent anymore, at least they haven’t over the last few seasons, which leaves us with more speculative prospects. If it works out, like it has for Jimenez or Hector Gomez, that’s great, but more often it won’t, as is the case with Carlos Martinez or several DSL players. I think overall the strategy has worked in filling us with solid depth, but I think the system could really use more high impact prospects right now.
by Rox Girl on May 26, 2009 4:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
so who gets canned then?
Director of Scouting? General Manager? Geivett?
Something does need to change.
Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies
by Andrew Martin on May 26, 2009 4:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep
this IS very troubling. At some point, the Rockies have to “play” and get players. Wither it be signing Latin players, Japanese players, in the amateur draft, or in Free Agency, the Rockies need to get quality and if they aren’t doing any of this well, than………..
by Redhawk on May 26, 2009 9:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice call
I enjoy baseball and that is why I keep going, and baseball in these parts is hard to come by and, although I could go down to CS for games, it is much easier for me to drive 15-20 minutes to Coors field to watch baseball. That and I am getting to watch the team I have always supported play. Yesterday’s game was a disappointment, yes, but that doesn’t mean I won’t support the Rockies or cheer for them.
"We made too many wrong mistakes." ~Yogi Berra
"The ballplayer who loses his head, who can't keep his cool, is worse than no ballplayer at all." ~Lou Gehrig
JFK
by jrockies on May 26, 2009 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am completely in agreement with you
I still love this game and this team too much to boycott all it has to offer, regardless of how poor the product is at any time. For me, being at the ballpark is always one of the best places to be…winning just becomes a bonus
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on May 26, 2009 1:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
+++++++1
Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for too many men on the field?
Author: Jim Bouton
by pedalpusher on May 26, 2009 3:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going tonight as well. Not expecting much but I'll be there pulling for the Rox
Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for too many men on the field?
Author: Jim Bouton
by pedalpusher on May 26, 2009 3:37 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take your tickets if you aren't going
Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies
by Andrew Martin on May 26, 2009 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Nats
never had a good fanbase to begin with. I mean, they have the east coast Pansy League teams to watch and listen to: Baltimore, NY, Boston…
"We made too many wrong mistakes." ~Yogi Berra
"The ballplayer who loses his head, who can't keep his cool, is worse than no ballplayer at all." ~Lou Gehrig
JFK
by jrockies on May 25, 2009 9:55 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, if we were never embarrassed to be fans at any point in the past, I don't see why we should be now.
And I’ve never understood why anyone would be embarrassed to be a fan of any team. At least we didn’t pick the Yankees or Red Sox as our team because they win. We stick by our team. Nothing to be ashamed of.
by holly96 on May 25, 2009 10:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
What makes this doubly hard....
…is 2007. When a lot of us believed that this was a franchise on the move — a franchise that was going to build on the momentum of that run and establish itself as a winner, year in and year out.
But it was just a mirage. And every game now is reminder of that, and that’s why it’s so tough to take.
If you’re destined to dwell in the valley, perhaps it’s best never to see the mountaintop.
by BroJB on May 25, 2009 10:21 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Easy there Plato...
I still wouldn’t give up 2007 for anything, and I doubt that you’re implying that you would either. But there’s just no other way to spin this right now.
Throw out the Pytho-Records… throw out our expectations… we flat out blow. I hate admitting that, but looking at the team the way it is now, there is no silver lining. This team is just hard to watch right now, and there needs to be a shakeup. It seems obvious, and pretty much everyone on here has said it, but it needs to be done. Hurdle should be gone, but more than that, Atkins should be flat out given away. It’s just gotta happen before I really can start expecting anything from this team. It bums me out that I’m coming home in a month to this team. I want to go to games, I want to hang out at Coors and watch baseball, but watching this team right now makes me a little sick to my stomach.
You know you want to check out Matt's Korea blog: http://koreamatt.wordpress.com
by MattTheRock on May 25, 2009 10:53 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
2007....
was great fun and I’m glad to have witnessed it.
what I was saying, in my Platonic way ;) , is that discovering that 2007 was nothing more than a tease, and not really a harbinger of better things to come, is one of the reasons many folks are taking it this hard.
by BroJB on May 25, 2009 11:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone got any insight as to why Barmes tried to steal 3rd while down 7-1?
Surley Barmes didn’t go on his own. And why in the name of everything that’s holy would Hurlde send him in that situation?
Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for too many men on the field?
Author: Jim Bouton
by pedalpusher on May 25, 2009 10:45 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I was
wondering the same thing. He ran into an out that could have cost us a run and momentum. I think he went because the pitcher was slow to the plate and really consistent with his look-to-second-go-home approach. Barmes had a decent jump but was thrown out by, from what I saw, a very small margin. He should have planned that better and, considering the circumstances, not gone at all.
"We made too many wrong mistakes." ~Yogi Berra
"The ballplayer who loses his head, who can't keep his cool, is worse than no ballplayer at all." ~Lou Gehrig
JFK
by jrockies on May 25, 2009 11:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
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