Rockies fire Clint Hurdle

DING DONG THE WITCH IS DEAD

WHICH OLD WITCH?

THE WICKED WITCH

DING DONG THE WICKED WITCH IS DEAD

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies

by Andrew Martin on May 29, 2009 1:17 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

You're going to have to change your sig

by Redhawk on May 29, 2009 1:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

done and done

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: http://tinyurl.com/mo975h

by Andrew Martin on May 29, 2009 1:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

-1

Low class post, dancing on his grave.

by DeepPurple on May 29, 2009 2:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

My Dear Friends

Many of you have commented that my above post may seem classless, praising the fact that fixture of the Rockies organization is now out on the streets.

My friends, I must tell you that I have nothing but praises for Clint Hurdle as a person, as a community member, as a clear friend of the Rockies in a personal sense.

But you must understand that Clint Hurdle represented the organization’s inability to move forward to me. 2005 was a perfect year to have him at the reins, when the Gen R guys were first making their impact. Hurdle, as a hitting coach, was a good figure to nurture the younger players into MLB readiness, which he did excellently as Holliday and Hawpe have shown, and Atkins at least showed glimmers of.

However, after the 2006 season, my main criticism of Hurdle was that he seemed to be unable to handle a Major League pitching staff, which remained my criticism until just an hour or so ago.

Hurdle represented the training wheels for the team that got the young guys to a point where they could ride on their own. Now we see Brad Hawpe in need of his own 5-speed and he’s still stuck with a basket and a bell, and we have veterans who don’t seem to know their own roles in the clubhouse as they’re still viewed as the “future” of the team.

At the same time, we have a new crop of youngsters coming up, and my concern is that Hurdle is too concerned with the developmental aspects of the game, such as fundamentals (which we are terrible at right now) and playing time (which he’s running too little-league-ish). There are major-league batters that still need to be managed, and it’s almost as if they’re floundering under Hurdle. Granted, there is blame to be put on the players for that as well, I don’t deny it.

Clint Hurdle would be better served as a Bench Coach at this point, so he can still have his role of working with the young players and helping them acclimate. But it shouldn’t be the Manager’s perpetual goal to gather the ducklings, so much as lead the team onward in a fight to win.

So while I may seem cold in "dancing on his grave", I really feel I am celebrating what may be the end of this nursery school playground team and a move into being a balanced team of incoming talent and established veterans, in a self sustaining system that will make this franchise actually successful.

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: http://tinyurl.com/mo975h

by Andrew Martin on May 29, 2009 3:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I support the grave dancing RMN

despite the fact that the team’s problems were multi-faceted and that Tracy probably isn’t the answer, living in the moment is awesome…

by Resolution on May 29, 2009 4:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

+ELEVENTY BILLION

I agree with nearly everything that you said, except I always felt that while he was good for the team in ‘05, the reason he was bad for the team after that is he was happy letting players develop on their own; he never pushed them to reach for greatness. Matt Holliday (sort of) got there for a season and a half; Hawpe has had stretches of brilliance; but Todd was and is Todd, Tulo certainly hasn’t developed like we would have thought by now, young pitchers have always been a train wreck under Hurdle, etc.

by denver_sc on May 29, 2009 5:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

RMN, see my post way down at the bottom

I honestly didn’t mean to call you out or anything. I guess I just was a bit shocked at how overly happy everyone was earlier.

"Admirably obsessive." - Uni Watch, March 24th, 2009
NA34 | HK | RMN

by oo_nrb on May 29, 2009 11:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I had this reaction

when BoMel was fired. I felt bad for him, personally, because I think he’s a very good man, and the guys in the clubhouse still adore and respect him. At the same time, his ingame strategy was lacking.

Jim Zorn, 55. Sean Miller, 40. AJ Hinch, 34. Notice a pattern here?

by DbacksSkins on May 30, 2009 1:11 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

HALL-A-FREAKIN'-LUJAH!!

This isn’t going to make a great deal of difference prob’ly, but at least it’s a sign that not everyone is asleep at the switch.

So. When is enough enough?

by rockhead on May 29, 2009 1:20 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Well

Really I don’t have anything to say that I haven’t said before.

Now to fire Dan O’Dowd, and maybe 2010 will be better.

by Redhawk on May 29, 2009 1:20 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Will the Rockies have a press conference?

and if so will ESPN break into their stuff to carry part of it? “This just in the Colorado Rockies have fired manager Clint Hurdle. ESPN was surprised to discover that Denver, Colorado HAD a baseball team. Now back to Sport Center with more talk about the Red Sox and the LeBron James”

by Redhawk on May 29, 2009 1:28 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

I just heard it on ESPNRadio's SportsCenter

Contrary to popular belief, ESPN does in fact report the news. Even if it’s out here. Whether they’d break in for a news conference, I’m not sure I would if I were them.

by holly96 on May 29, 2009 1:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well if they do

It would amount to, what, the 3rd or 4th time they’ve given us any coverage since Rocktober?

\jk
/kinda

So. When is enough enough?

by rockhead on May 29, 2009 1:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

We managed to secure the front page on MLB.com

I imagine that will change when the Cubs score a run.

I love Greg Reynolds. Deal with it, suckers.

by Silverblood on May 29, 2009 1:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

lol

So. When is enough enough?

by rockhead on May 29, 2009 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, that's a relief.

I can’t say I feel like celebrating, since it’s a sorry situation all around and I quite like Hurdle as a person so I wish things were different. I certainly wish him the best in whatever he decides to do, and hope if he sticks around Denver (I mean to live, not with the team), people treat him well.

Now to Tracy. I don’t actually know all that much about him, but I’m fine with him being interim. I guess he has plenty of time to show what he can do. But is the right man going forward? No idea. I suspect Dodger fans would say no (at least, we had one awhile back that didn’t like him at all).

by holly96 on May 29, 2009 1:28 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Looks to be true

From Examiner – http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-2701-Colorado-Rockies-Examiner~y2009m5d29-Colorado-Rockies-fire-Clint-Hurdle

From Jack Etkin – http://www.insidetherockies.com/2009/05/29/rockies-fire-hurdle-name-tracy-interim-manager/

by traviseses on May 29, 2009 1:28 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

The Post is reporting it as well

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: http://tinyurl.com/mo975h

by Andrew Martin on May 29, 2009 1:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Major W00tage to the FO

now if we can only get some freaking talent on the field!!!

by holliday5 on May 29, 2009 1:30 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

in case we all forgot

http://www.wikihow.com/Heel-Click

by ch3cooh1 on May 29, 2009 1:36 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

lol

of course

if you're reading this, it means my undying support for your team will result in its failure.

by fantasyfencing on May 29, 2009 1:37 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I feel kind of sad now

I mean, yay organization moving forward, but he’s a good guy. Just not a very good manager.

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: http://tinyurl.com/mo975h

by Andrew Martin on May 29, 2009 1:37 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Seconded.

I thought I’d be happier. I’m kind of sad too.

"Don't tell me about the world. Not today. It's springtime and they're knocking baseballs around fields where the grass is damp and green in the morning and the kids are trying to hit the curve ball." -Pete Hamill

by Bryce on May 29, 2009 2:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I come in for the first time today....

and Hooray!

Clint,

You’re an awesome guy and a wonderful human being, I wish you the best sir.

No more asking please for wins, now I'm telling you: YOU WILL WIN.
"Good is not good when better is expected." -Vin Scully

by The Lodo Magic Man on May 29, 2009 1:38 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

+1

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: http://tinyurl.com/mo975h

by Andrew Martin on May 29, 2009 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

See

We can all afford to be gracious now. ;)

But seriously, I feel the same way about Hurdle. Clearly a great guy. Just a terrible manager. Best of luck in whatever you do ahead that’s not managing our beloved baseball team.

I love Greg Reynolds. Deal with it, suckers.

by Silverblood on May 29, 2009 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

WOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Long past due. It probably won’t make a lick of difference, but it needed to be done.

Clint’s a great guy, and he’ll land on his feet somewhere. He needed to go, though. Now, we can only hope that Tracy’s pressers are half as good as Clint’s.

"Horton is win."
--Horvil Tiki

by wtnelson on May 29, 2009 1:45 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

The best is and will always be:

“… shame on you for not seeing our club more. We’ve been on a nice roll.”

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071004&content_id=2250153&vkey=ps2007news&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: http://tinyurl.com/mo975h

by Andrew Martin on May 29, 2009 1:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

That was so awesome

"Horton is win."
--Horvil Tiki

by wtnelson on May 29, 2009 3:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Rockies Official Site

is reporting it as well.

An official announcement will be made later Friday.

I was hoping for time for the presser.

by Redhawk on May 29, 2009 1:50 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Vinny or Weiss.

I want one of those two.

No more asking please for wins, now I'm telling you: YOU WILL WIN.
"Good is not good when better is expected." -Vin Scully

by The Lodo Magic Man on May 29, 2009 1:55 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

You'll get Jim Tracy and like it mister!

Why when I was your age, I’d walk 2 miles up hill both ways just for any manager.

ungrateful punk kids

GET OFF MY LAWN

by Redhawk on May 29, 2009 1:58 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs

oh, go back to bed you old fart.

No more asking please for wins, now I'm telling you: YOU WILL WIN.
"Good is not good when better is expected." -Vin Scully

by The Lodo Magic Man on May 29, 2009 2:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

:-)

No more asking please for wins, now I'm telling you: YOU WILL WIN.
"Good is not good when better is expected." -Vin Scully

by The Lodo Magic Man on May 29, 2009 2:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's almost dinner time

by Redhawk on May 29, 2009 2:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Either of those would be cool

But how do we know if they’re any good as managers? Neither have much if any experience. I think I’d be a little hesitant to throw them straight to the head job on the MLB team.

by holly96 on May 29, 2009 2:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Vinnie would put some butts in seats.

At least for a time.

Listen, this signature line is a big part of who I am.

by frightenedinmate#2 on May 29, 2009 2:40 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

At first, sure.

But you’d still need to get better results before too long.

by holly96 on May 29, 2009 2:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

for your listening pleasure

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdvITn5cAVc

if you're reading this, it means my undying support for your team will result in its failure.

by fantasyfencing on May 29, 2009 2:04 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

thank the %^&! christ!!

12 down....4 to go for a repeat Go Wings!!!

by TuLoRocks2008 on May 29, 2009 2:05 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

oh my

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: http://tinyurl.com/mo975h

by Andrew Martin on May 29, 2009 2:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why didn't they just fire him

on the off day yesterday?

12 down....4 to go for a repeat Go Wings!!!

by TuLoRocks2008 on May 29, 2009 2:09 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

I suppose they spent all day debating it, and didn't come to the decision until late at night.

by WolfMarauder on May 29, 2009 5:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thats the story the Denverpost article is telling...

by Resolution on May 29, 2009 5:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I flipped to sports radio after work

Friday, but the only thing on was Nuggets talk. Could be part of it

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on May 30, 2009 2:37 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks for 07, Clint.

I sincerely mean that. Those fond memories will last forever.

I feel like we’re standing by the bedside of an old friend who finally succumbed. We knew it was coming, we’re glad the suffering is over, and now we move on.

Staying on the sunny side of Blake Street since 1993.
The Shawn Chacon Experience - Life as a Rockies fan, one day at a time: Because we're all still recovering from those nine blown saves.

by Franchise26 on May 29, 2009 2:09 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

I'm not sure

a celebratory mood is what’s called for here. I’ve been lamenting Hurdle’s extension since he received one on Opening Day back in 07, but a man losing his job is really nothing to be dancing and shouting about. Clint Hurdle is a genuinely nice guy, and while we should all applaud the Front Office for doing what is necessary, there’s no real reason to be celebrating over Hurdle’s unemployment. Let’s not forget that he and O’Dowd are good friends, too – there had to be some really tough emotions in that meeting yesterday.

I think we can all be happy that the club seems to be moving forward…but let’s not let ourselves go too far. We’re still well south of .500.

"Admirably obsessive." - Uni Watch, March 24th, 2009
NA34 | HK | RMN

by oo_nrb on May 29, 2009 2:09 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

And if you scroll up

You’ll see a lot of exactly that – nobody is saying “what a big jerk good thing he’s canned”, people are saying “good, the team is making the necessary moves”.

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: http://tinyurl.com/mo975h

by Andrew Martin on May 29, 2009 2:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Right, though Silverblood's fanshot title implied glee and celebration with the exclamation point...

I just edited it to something a little more professional.

Eschew Obfuscation!

by Jeff Aberle on May 29, 2009 2:37 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Actually it implied surprise

But whatever.

I love Greg Reynolds. Deal with it, suckers.

by Silverblood on May 29, 2009 2:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just my interpretation, I suppose...also, RMN's DING DONG THE WITCH IS DEAD

was probably not the best tone either… :p

Eschew Obfuscation!

by Jeff Aberle on May 29, 2009 3:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah um

if an exclamation point was glee, what was that? :P

I love Greg Reynolds. Deal with it, suckers.

by Silverblood on May 29, 2009 3:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I thought it was pretty hilarious. I can hide it if need be.

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: http://tinyurl.com/mo975h

by Andrew Martin on May 29, 2009 3:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

hey Hurdle has caused us a lot of headaches

We may feel bad about the guy getting canned, but I think we’re entitled to feel at least a little jubilant about the departure of the manager.

I love Greg Reynolds. Deal with it, suckers.

by Silverblood on May 29, 2009 3:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm writing a...something...

a followup

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: http://tinyurl.com/mo975h

by Andrew Martin on May 29, 2009 3:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well I'll followup your followup sucker

um… on Sunday.

I love Greg Reynolds. Deal with it, suckers.

by Silverblood on May 29, 2009 3:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

yea, poor baby

how will he ever get over this firing, what with the millions of dollars that he made for managing a kid’s game. I have empathy for auto workers that lose their job. I have empathy for teachers that lose their job. I have no empathy for a multi-millionaire manager who was completely incompetent at his job, yet still made money hand over fist because of a nepotistic front office.

by Narcoleptico on May 29, 2009 3:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think he's ever made more than like 800k in a season

not that it’s chump change, but still

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: http://tinyurl.com/mo975h

by Andrew Martin on May 29, 2009 4:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

And I don’t think any of us are feeling sympathy over the money issue, anyway. I don’t think anyone is worried about him in that sense. But what we do feel is a bit of human empathy over a good guy losing his job. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with that.

by holly96 on May 29, 2009 4:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

nothing wrong with it I guess

but it is very strange feeling empathy for a man who couldn’t care less about you. I try not to feel bad for celebrities and I think my mental health is better off for it.

by Narcoleptico on May 29, 2009 4:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

how do you know he couldn't care less about you

he might like you a lot.

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: http://tinyurl.com/mo975h

by Andrew Martin on May 29, 2009 4:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Would he hold me when I'm scared and lonely?

by Redhawk on May 29, 2009 4:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, that's apparently where we differ.

I don’t think empathy should be reserved exclusively for people who know me personally.

by holly96 on May 29, 2009 4:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

It is possible

to emphathize with somebody else, strictly as a person with problems anyone can relate to, regardless of their income. If you use bottom-line thinking in anything like that, i.e. income, could-be-worse, etc. nobody would ever receive any support as it could always be worse, and there will always be somebody making more than you.

"Don't tell me about the world. Not today. It's springtime and they're knocking baseballs around fields where the grass is damp and green in the morning and the kids are trying to hit the curve ball." -Pete Hamill

by Bryce on May 29, 2009 4:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not sure your mental health should be given a free pass, here.

Empathy is natural, particularly if a person is known to have made a social impact outside their employment as Clint has done with Prader-Willi Syndrome. If you knew the kind of hardship that families who are dealing with that affliction go through, and if you knew that Hurdle was about the only nationally known figure to be fighting for a cure, it makes it more difficult to swallow that any of us would be jumping for glee because a team that we root for that plays “a kids game” now has a better chance of winning because he’s out of a job.

Maybe Hurdle could care less about us, but he does care for a lot of kids who need the caring a lot more than we do, and his ability to help them as he had been may now be greatly impacted.

by Rox Girl on May 29, 2009 6:53 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thank you

Hopefully Clint is able to continue his work, and maybe the Rockies will even continue their support of the foundation.

by holly96 on May 29, 2009 9:51 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

800k x 7 = millions of dollars

by Narcoleptico on May 29, 2009 4:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Anyone else find it unusual

that the FO waited to fire Hurdle until the team fell below the Rocktober starting record of 18-27?

Unless they were waiting for the Nuggets to come back into town and thus less press coverage.

by Muzia on May 29, 2009 2:14 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Now for the bad news...

Jim Tracy is… how to break this to you… not going to be any kind of an upgrade. In fact, if you thought the Hurdle tenure brought you some headscratchers, just wait until Tracy gets going.

Read this and weep.

Staying on the sunny side of Blake Street since 1993.
The Shawn Chacon Experience - Life as a Rockies fan, one day at a time: Because we're all still recovering from those nine blown saves.

by Franchise26 on May 29, 2009 2:20 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

it's an interim thing

if they extend him, it’s back to facepalm

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: http://tinyurl.com/mo975h

by Andrew Martin on May 29, 2009 2:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Don't put it past this organization.

seriously I worry that the Rockies are the worse in baseball

by Redhawk on May 29, 2009 2:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hi! We're the Washington Nationals, and we don't appreciate you forgetting we exist!

Staying on the sunny side of Blake Street since 1993.
The Shawn Chacon Experience - Life as a Rockies fan, one day at a time: Because we're all still recovering from those nine blown saves.

by Franchise26 on May 29, 2009 2:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

oh yea

the Washington DC/Baltimore area JV team

by Redhawk on May 29, 2009 2:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Houston Astros

would also like a word with you

Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.

by oldjacket on May 29, 2009 3:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's why I'm hoping the "interim" stays that way.

by holly96 on May 29, 2009 2:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Some highlights from the link in case you're too lazy:

Or: “Why Jim Tracy is Hurdle II: Electric Boogaloo”:

There was little leadership from the players. Maybe even less from the manager’s office.

But when things went poorly, which was most of the time, Tracy seldom discussed the staff’s role. He never mentioned the coaches’ involvement in first baseman Adam LaRoche’s down-then-up 2007 until it had hit the upward curve. He never could explain how outfielder Jason Bay mysteriously regressed.

Quite curiously, the shortcomings that Tracy had in personnel or instructional matters seemed to originate from his never-ending emotional tie with the 2004 Los Angeles Dodgers, the $100 million team he managed to the West Division title.

He spoke about them incessantly, to the media and to the players. He even tried to recreate them, it seemed.

Before Tracy had donned a Pirates uniform, in the winter of 2006, he met with center fielder Chris Duffy and told Duffy he should play like Dave Roberts, the Dodgers’ leadoff man, even though all Duffy and Roberts had in common was being fast. Among the instructions: Duffy, a line-drive hitter, was told to pound the ball into the ground. He failed miserably, quit baseball for a month and has yet to recover.

Tracy told shortstop Jack Wilson, a three-time runner-up for the Gold Glove, that he did not like his approach to ground balls, that it should be more like Cesar Izturis of the 2004 Dodgers. Wilson had his worst defensive year in 2006 and, at Tracy’s behest, Izturis was acquired from the Chicago Cubs this past July. It was at Tracy’s urging that Wilson nearly was traded to Detroit in late July, after which Wilson batted .401 in the season’s final two months.

There was more: Jose Castillo was told to be like Adrian Beltre. Bench players were told to be versatile like Jose Hernandez, who also was acquired. Even Tracy’s batting orders were modeled based on profiles of the 2004 Dodgers.

Staying on the sunny side of Blake Street since 1993.
The Shawn Chacon Experience - Life as a Rockies fan, one day at a time: Because we're all still recovering from those nine blown saves.

by Franchise26 on May 29, 2009 2:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

And this one.

No one described it better than LaRoche, who genuinely likes Tracy, in the season’s final weekend: “If there’s anything we need to get under control — and it’s nothing major — is that he’s so laid-back that I think he can be taken advantage of. And that’s probably more our fault than his. It’s the older guys in here who need to address things.”

"Don't tell me about the world. Not today. It's springtime and they're knocking baseballs around fields where the grass is damp and green in the morning and the kids are trying to hit the curve ball." -Pete Hamill

by Bryce on May 29, 2009 2:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Basically what that tells me,

is that all of us thinking that this team needs a kick in the ass, won’t see it come from Tracy.

Staying on the sunny side of Blake Street since 1993.
The Shawn Chacon Experience - Life as a Rockies fan, one day at a time: Because we're all still recovering from those nine blown saves.

by Franchise26 on May 29, 2009 2:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

but certainly there's

just a pure value to having a new face to blame the team’s crappiness on right?

by Resolution on May 29, 2009 3:55 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

But

the Dodgers stuff is barking mad crazy. Now I’m bummed and a little more worried.

"Don't tell me about the world. Not today. It's springtime and they're knocking baseballs around fields where the grass is damp and green in the morning and the kids are trying to hit the curve ball." -Pete Hamill

by Bryce on May 29, 2009 2:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

It is definitely nuts.

Hopefully he’s lost some of that attachment in the last 3 years.

by holly96 on May 29, 2009 2:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Press Conference

live on FSN Rocky Mountain.

by Redhawk on May 29, 2009 2:25 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

9 News sez

presser at 2:30. They’ll stream it online for those like me, stuck at work.

So. When is enough enough?

by rockhead on May 29, 2009 2:26 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Now what about Bob Apodaca?

Will he get canned as well?

I refuse to ever celebrate someone losing their job. I always put myself in their situation and how I would react if people were rejoicing at my demise. It doesn’t seem right to me but I can surely understand why he was fired and why many here are excited about it.

I don’t know how much this changes anything but I guess the FO had to do something to appease fans since it is not even June yet and the Rockies are woefully under performing and out of the race for the vital summer attendance numbers that are sure to go down.

The Monforts will have to rely on the people of Colorado treating games this summer as a nice night out in a beautiful park, eating hot dogs and sipping beer than they will on watching a fun, competitive team. Actually, that’s not much different than most years, sadly.

by Business Socks on May 29, 2009 2:28 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Apodaca: At the end of the season, yes.

by Redhawk on May 29, 2009 2:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I missed the beginning of the presser.

Just got it up now. Was there anything noteworthy in the first 20 minutes or so?

by holly96 on May 29, 2009 2:51 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

not really

Dan O’Dowd was very brief. Didn’t mention anyone the ownership or front office

by Redhawk on May 29, 2009 2:54 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

O'Dowd didn't take questions, which I found strange

And Tracy gave the boilerplate stuff – this isn’t good enough, guys are underachieving, we need to get back to having some resiliency and identity as a team.

I guess Hurdle will be in at 3:15 for some questions – I kind of want to see that and I kind of don’t – it’d be like watching a guy face his own firing squad.

Staying on the sunny side of Blake Street since 1993.
The Shawn Chacon Experience - Life as a Rockies fan, one day at a time: Because we're all still recovering from those nine blown saves.

by Franchise26 on May 29, 2009 2:54 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

He looks very relieved

like a weight is off his shoulders

by Redhawk on May 29, 2009 2:55 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

I doubt he wanted to be let go, but all the speculation and limbo had to be rough.

by holly96 on May 29, 2009 2:58 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I didn't see the presser...

… but you could tell from his face in the dugout that he just wasn’t in it anymore. I’m sure it is a relief for him, in several senses.

by WolfMarauder on May 29, 2009 5:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

No questions to Clint

wow…that was…um………… stern

by Redhawk on May 29, 2009 2:57 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

I LOL'd, actually.

I think he just didn’t want to face questions about what went wrong, etc., and I don’t necessarily blame him.

by holly96 on May 29, 2009 2:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah

not sure what he could really say….but it came across as……odd at best and a little “F you I’m outta here” at worse

by Redhawk on May 29, 2009 3:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

Reporter: “Clint, what went wrong?”

Clint: “Well, uhm, let me rephrase that. What didn’t go wrong?”

Not much else to say, is there?

So. When is enough enough?

by rockhead on May 29, 2009 3:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Props to Jeff Huson

For calling out the players. That’s the angriest I’ve ever heard him.

by CNM on May 29, 2009 3:01 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

What happened?

"Don't tell me about the world. Not today. It's springtime and they're knocking baseballs around fields where the grass is damp and green in the morning and the kids are trying to hit the curve ball." -Pete Hamill

by Bryce on May 29, 2009 3:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Er, what was it like, I mean.

"Don't tell me about the world. Not today. It's springtime and they're knocking baseballs around fields where the grass is damp and green in the morning and the kids are trying to hit the curve ball." -Pete Hamill

by Bryce on May 29, 2009 3:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

um...how to say this

He said, something like, Congratulations to those that wanted this. Nw you have no excuses and you have to go out and perform

by Redhawk on May 29, 2009 3:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

He basically said that

some of the players wanted Clint gone and they got their wish. Now there’s no more excuses and if they don’t perform they’ll be the next ones gone.

by CNM on May 29, 2009 3:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ah, thanks.

True story, too. I wonder if, somewhere out there in statistical baseball land, there’s a chart comparing team performance pre- and post- managerial change.

"Don't tell me about the world. Not today. It's springtime and they're knocking baseballs around fields where the grass is damp and green in the morning and the kids are trying to hit the curve ball." -Pete Hamill

by Bryce on May 29, 2009 3:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Seems like Wolfmaurauder (sp?) put one together a while ago

but I couldn’t tell you what thread it was in.

Listen, this signature line is a big part of who I am.

by frightenedinmate#2 on May 29, 2009 3:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Here it is

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on May 29, 2009 3:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Awesome.

Thanks. So it seems there’s a consistent up-tick, if not a large one. I’ll take that I guess.

"Don't tell me about the world. Not today. It's springtime and they're knocking baseballs around fields where the grass is damp and green in the morning and the kids are trying to hit the curve ball." -Pete Hamill

by Bryce on May 29, 2009 3:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Where was this? TV? Article?

Link?

by Rockie4Ever on May 29, 2009 3:48 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

TV

on the post conference wrap up portion.

by Redhawk on May 29, 2009 3:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

So, that means... FSN?

are they gonna play something again? Cause, I want to see it. realllllllly badly.

by Rockie4Ever on May 29, 2009 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

yes FSN-RM

I have no idea if they will replay it. In fact that comment I doubt unless Huson says it again in the pre-game show.

by Redhawk on May 29, 2009 4:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

stupid work

I’d have loved to hear this thing

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: http://tinyurl.com/mo975h

by Andrew Martin on May 29, 2009 3:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yep, me too. Stupid work.

"Don't tell me about the world. Not today. It's springtime and they're knocking baseballs around fields where the grass is damp and green in the morning and the kids are trying to hit the curve ball." -Pete Hamill

by Bryce on May 29, 2009 3:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Don't curse it too much

I’m in literally my last hour before I’m let go

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on May 29, 2009 3:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry to hear that.

"Don't tell me about the world. Not today. It's springtime and they're knocking baseballs around fields where the grass is damp and green in the morning and the kids are trying to hit the curve ball." -Pete Hamill

by Bryce on May 29, 2009 3:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

This is one painful blurb from the AP.

Without reliable hitting, pitching or defense, the Rockies stumbled to an 18-28 start and were 14½ games behind Los Angeles in the NL West heading into Friday night’s action.

Hitting, pitching, or defense…How were the bat boys?

"Don't tell me about the world. Not today. It's springtime and they're knocking baseballs around fields where the grass is damp and green in the morning and the kids are trying to hit the curve ball." -Pete Hamill

by Bryce on May 29, 2009 3:06 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

They sucked too

too much pine tar….wrong bats….handing the wrong flavor of gateraid to the wrong players.

terrible…fire them too.

by Redhawk on May 29, 2009 3:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

You know who else needs to go?

The braniac who got rid of the purple jerseys.

Listen, this signature line is a big part of who I am.

by frightenedinmate#2 on May 29, 2009 3:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

who did that?

Don't say nothing about A.J. Pierzynski without good cause , even if you do have one i will still kick your butt. As the young woman who believes he's better than most idiots around here that don't understand him. i like my menace. GO SOX! Women rule the world Men just live in it to do as we say.

by pierzynskirules on May 29, 2009 3:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't know exactly

But it was after the 07 season, a decision was made that with the traditional whites, white vests, black vests, and road greys, they had enough.

That would be a good question for the Geivett thread. “The last year the Rockies had a purple jersey in the stable, they won the National Leage Championship. Does the FO see the correlation?”

Listen, this signature line is a big part of who I am.

by frightenedinmate#2 on May 29, 2009 3:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

ok

Don't say nothing about A.J. Pierzynski without good cause , even if you do have one i will still kick your butt. As the young woman who believes he's better than most idiots around here that don't understand him. i like my menace. GO SOX! Women rule the world Men just live in it to do as we say.

by pierzynskirules on May 29, 2009 3:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I thought the players just choose the jerseys and no one liked the purple

by Resolution on May 29, 2009 3:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

no, I think the manager has a big say in it, too.

So.. so maybe, just maybe, we’ll be wearing purple tonight!!!!!

by Rockie4Ever on May 29, 2009 4:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

nope

after 07 the Purple Jersey and the Purple Cap were no longer options for the players to choose. (though I’d venture to guess that if some one pitched a hissy, that they would have come back)

by Redhawk on May 29, 2009 4:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not a huge fan of the purple jersey

but they should be in the rotation on principle alone. Oh well

by Resolution on May 29, 2009 4:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Lol. :D

"Don't tell me about the world. Not today. It's springtime and they're knocking baseballs around fields where the grass is damp and green in the morning and the kids are trying to hit the curve ball." -Pete Hamill

by Bryce on May 29, 2009 3:11 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

IT'S ABOUT TIME SOMEONE GOT IT RIGHT!

Don't say nothing about A.J. Pierzynski without good cause , even if you do have one i will still kick your butt. As the young woman who believes he's better than most idiots around here that don't understand him. i like my menace. GO SOX! Women rule the world Men just live in it to do as we say.

by pierzynskirules on May 29, 2009 3:07 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

I like the move to get rid of Hurdle.

But I have to say Tracy is absolutely not the right guy to take his place. He is just not a good manager.

by Brendan Scolari on May 29, 2009 3:16 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

concur

provided it’s interim, not worried.

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: http://tinyurl.com/mo975h

by Andrew Martin on May 29, 2009 3:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

But I thought Hurdle was Manager-For-Life?

Jim Zorn, 55. Sean Miller, 40. AJ Hinch, 34. Notice a pattern here?

by DbacksSkins on May 29, 2009 3:27 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

wrong

Don't say nothing about A.J. Pierzynski without good cause , even if you do have one i will still kick your butt. As the young woman who believes he's better than most idiots around here that don't understand him. i like my menace. GO SOX! Women rule the world Men just live in it to do as we say.

by pierzynskirules on May 29, 2009 3:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm never wrong.

Except that one time.

Jim Zorn, 55. Sean Miller, 40. AJ Hinch, 34. Notice a pattern here?

by DbacksSkins on May 29, 2009 3:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

yes you were aha

Don't say nothing about A.J. Pierzynski without good cause , even if you do have one i will still kick your butt. As the young woman who believes he's better than most idiots around here that don't understand him. i like my menace. GO SOX! Women rule the world Men just live in it to do as we say.

by pierzynskirules on May 29, 2009 4:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

He as not aha

This is a-ha

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: http://tinyurl.com/mo975h

by Andrew Martin on May 30, 2009 8:16 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dan Uggla's page had his ASG errors up

Right as they happened

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: http://tinyurl.com/mo975h

by Andrew Martin on May 30, 2009 8:24 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I hear Runnels is the new bench coach

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on May 29, 2009 3:28 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Interesting

Links:

<a href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=2&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.insidetherockies.com%2F2009%2F05%2F29%2Frockies-to-add-runnells-to-staff%2F&ei=T1QgSoq1JeKwmAe41IS0CQ&rct=j&q=Runnels+Colorado+Rockies&usg=AFQjCNEKPqLlVmeL1lVVv3YRwOquIHr9dA" target="new">Inside the Rockies
KOAA.com (this one has more about him, for anyone interested)

I wonder if this is temporary, since we needed someone to take Tracy’s place, or meant to be a permanent promotion.

by holly96 on May 29, 2009 3:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I do not know what the heck happened here.

I used the link button but apparently messed it up somehow.

by holly96 on May 29, 2009 3:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Here

Runnels replaces Tracy as bench coach

Wonder if that will be the headline in the future, with “bench coach” replaced with “manager”

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on May 29, 2009 3:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks.

The KOAA.com link above also works. I had never really known much about his background, so that was informative.

I’m curious, too. Does anyone know much about him, beyond his resume?

by holly96 on May 29, 2009 3:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm sure I could just start looking these things up,

though I’m not sure where, but anyone know the manager with the longest consecutive tenure and worst record?

"Don't tell me about the world. Not today. It's springtime and they're knocking baseballs around fields where the grass is damp and green in the morning and the kids are trying to hit the curve ball." -Pete Hamill

by Bryce on May 29, 2009 3:34 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Up until today

it was Hurdle

by wolf213 on May 29, 2009 3:36 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hehe.

Thanks, figures.

"Don't tell me about the world. Not today. It's springtime and they're knocking baseballs around fields where the grass is damp and green in the morning and the kids are trying to hit the curve ball." -Pete Hamill

by Bryce on May 29, 2009 3:40 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Its about time

I’m very happy, this was a move that needed to be made for a while. Seems like Clint lost control of his clubhouse and when that happens your days are numbered. Hopefully Tracy can show us something, but if not, hopefully the Front Office will do what is needed in more haste.

by wolf213 on May 29, 2009 3:36 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

See above

for Tracy’s management style.

"Don't tell me about the world. Not today. It's springtime and they're knocking baseballs around fields where the grass is damp and green in the morning and the kids are trying to hit the curve ball." -Pete Hamill

by Bryce on May 29, 2009 3:40 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I saw that

and I’m not ready to throw the guy under the bus just yet. All I am saying is I hope he can get things done on an temporary basis, and if not, let the real search begin this offseason.

by wolf213 on May 29, 2009 3:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I hope that too.

"Don't tell me about the world. Not today. It's springtime and they're knocking baseballs around fields where the grass is damp and green in the morning and the kids are trying to hit the curve ball." -Pete Hamill

by Bryce on May 29, 2009 3:47 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Clint Hurdle is a great guy and I have nothing but love for him

but he just HAD TO GO

"DAMMIT! No, calm down. Learn to enjoy losing." --Hunter S. Thompson

by PioneerSkies on May 29, 2009 3:39 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

+1

by wolf213 on May 29, 2009 3:40 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

WHAT?! IT'S TRUE!?!??! IT'S TRUE!!!

YOU PROMISE IT’S NOT SOME NASTY JOKE?!? HE’S REALLY GONE?!?!? REALLLLLLY? FOREVER!?!?!

WOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

by Rockie4Ever on May 29, 2009 3:43 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

I should add...

Clint Hurdle was a really sweet man, and he deserves a lot. Just not being the manager of our club.

by Rockie4Ever on May 29, 2009 3:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

agreed.

"DAMMIT! No, calm down. Learn to enjoy losing." --Hunter S. Thompson

by PioneerSkies on May 29, 2009 3:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

see up top again

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: http://tinyurl.com/mo975h

by Andrew Martin on May 29, 2009 4:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Trading a manager who got the franchise to its first WS

for a manager who has never won a postseason series in his career does not strike me as a trade up.

Witty .sig goes here.

by scareduck on May 29, 2009 3:53 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

I definitely agree it's not a trade-up

but I didn’t see that post-season experience doing much the past year and a half.

"Don't tell me about the world. Not today. It's springtime and they're knocking baseballs around fields where the grass is damp and green in the morning and the kids are trying to hit the curve ball." -Pete Hamill

by Bryce on May 29, 2009 3:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Don't be such an NN... have you seen him mangage lately?

Honestly, and yes, I’ll go with the Denver Post Commentors on this one, Hurdle’s moves really shouldn’t have worked that year. You have no idea how crazy some of them were. We had a ton of potential, no denying that, but those moves… it was just chance. that’s it.

But now we can get to playing for real, while we’re not too far out.

by Rockie4Ever on May 29, 2009 3:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Some of it may have been chance, but I think you have to give him at least a little credit.

Doesn’t mean it wasn’t the right move now, though.

by holly96 on May 29, 2009 4:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

well, of course, the players contributed to it, that's what I mean by potential.

but, it was just so maverick-y.

by Rockie4Ever on May 29, 2009 4:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Can hardly wait

for the calls to play more like the 2004 Dodgers come out.

Before Tracy had donned a Pirates uniform, in the winter of 2006, he met with center fielder Chris Duffy and told Duffy he should play like Dave Roberts, the Dodgers’ leadoff man, even though all Duffy and Roberts had in common was being fast. Among the instructions: Duffy, a line-drive hitter, was told to pound the ball into the ground. He failed miserably, quit baseball for a month and has yet to recover.

Tracy told shortstop Jack Wilson, a three-time runner-up for the Gold Glove, that he did not like his approach to ground balls, that it should be more like Cesar Izturis of the 2004 Dodgers. Wilson had his worst defensive year in 2006 and, at Tracy’s behest, Izturis was acquired from the Chicago Cubs this past July. It was at Tracy’s urging that Wilson nearly was traded to Detroit in late July, after which Wilson batted .401 in the season’s final two months.

There was more: Jose Castillo was told to be like Adrian Beltre. Bench players were told to be versatile like Jose Hernandez, who also was acquired. Even Tracy’s batting orders were modeled based on profiles of the 2004 Dodgers.

Witty .sig goes here.

by scareduck on May 29, 2009 4:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hey, baseball team....

Be more good.

Listen, this signature line is a big part of who I am.

by frightenedinmate#2 on May 29, 2009 4:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Uh, no, not quite

“Play like Dave Roberts and Cesar Izturis” != “Be better at baseball”

Staying on the sunny side of Blake Street since 1993.
The Shawn Chacon Experience - Life as a Rockies fan, one day at a time: Because we're all still recovering from those nine blown saves.

by Franchise26 on May 29, 2009 4:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Me more like Manny

here’s the syringe

by Redhawk on May 29, 2009 4:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

couple of points

1) it’s not about 2009 (that boat has sailed0
2) Tracy is “Interim” Like a temp from the agency
3) Hurdle’s firing was symbolic most of all (not that I thought he was a good manager)

by Redhawk on May 29, 2009 3:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

the team got to the WS in spite of him, not because of him.

by Narcoleptico on May 29, 2009 3:58 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

You can't have it both ways.

You can’t say the WS had nothing to do with him and also say the situation now is all his fault. There’s absolutely no way to quantify a manager’s exact impact, but I’d say he had some degree of positive impact in 2007, and some degree of negative impact since then.

by holly96 on May 29, 2009 3:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

please direct me to the post

where I said the current situation was all his fault. Hint: It doesn’t exist.

by Narcoleptico on May 29, 2009 4:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe you didn't.

But you seem unable to acknowledge a single positive thing about the man, like he wronged you personally or something, beyond just as a fan of a baseball team.

by holly96 on May 29, 2009 4:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

his face was really, really red.

Not sure if that’s a positive, that’s all I got.

by Narcoleptico on May 29, 2009 4:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

My dad was saying this last night

That when a guy does something other than swing away, he bunts for a single, or the PH doubles to the gap, or the relief pitcher strikes out the batter for the big out, or whatever, the manager looks like a genius. When that PH GIDP’s, when the RP gives up 3 straight hits, etc, the manager looks like a goat.

I’m sure you’ve simply chosen not to recall things that Hurdle has done right, because they seem like “well he should’ve done that anyway”, etc.

However, the bigger picture is that you are simply never happy with this team and you tend to always come in with things to say about how terrible and awful we are and blah blah blah.

You get this stamp now good sir

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: http://tinyurl.com/mo975h

by Andrew Martin on May 30, 2009 8:20 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I can't say that I will be happy

until they bring in some new blood in. I think they need someone who can shake things up and make choices that will win us games, not make people happy. And I think that someone is going to have to come from outside of the organization.

I also think that this shakeup will help out slightly, and I think it’s about a month overdue.

All the best to Hurdle. He’s a great guy.

by coolopotamus on May 29, 2009 3:55 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

"a month overdue"

I was screaming this a month ago that he should be fired. But, the consensus was If all you give him is a month, then he should have been fired in the off season

to which I fully agree

by Redhawk on May 29, 2009 3:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

A Month?

More like 7 Years overdue

by wolf213 on May 29, 2009 4:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I actually haven't been on the "fire hurdle" bandwagon very long.

I thought that promoting an interim manager like Baylor or Tracy wouldn’t change much. But in the last month peoples’ attitudes towards the rockies started souring (for good reason- major suckage by the team) and Hurdle became the scapegoat. They have waited too long to bring back a lot of fans that have turned their backs on the team.

by coolopotamus on May 29, 2009 4:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I love the feel of this thread

YEAH! F*** HIM! BOUT DAMN TIME

although he is a sweet sweet man, he can watch my kids any time, it’s just that as a major league manager, he SUCKED! OH, HE WAS SUCH A BAG OF SUCK! Seriously, I mean that in the nicest possible way."

Listen, this signature line is a big part of who I am.

by frightenedinmate#2 on May 29, 2009 3:58 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Yea

I’m really confused as to why there’s a split between those saying good riddance and others saying lets not forget that the man is unemployed now. I don’t think anyone said anything personally bad about him and I think it’s sufficient to be known but unspoken that we can all differentiate any managerial shortcomings of Clint’s from who he is as a person.

by Resolution on May 29, 2009 4:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not worried about his ability to support his family or anything.

I just like him as a person, so it’s hard not to feel a little bit bad.

And with one or two exceptions, I agree that we can all differentiate him as a manager from him as a person.

by holly96 on May 29, 2009 4:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

That is what makes us Rowbots

rather than Robots. We are actually capable of mixing passion for our team with compassion for the human beings on that team.

So. When is enough enough?

by rockhead on May 29, 2009 4:05 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs

No, I agree, that's why people like sports

I have family members who thought John Elway actively hated them at certain points in his career, but would take a bullett for him now.

Listen, this signature line is a big part of who I am.

by frightenedinmate#2 on May 29, 2009 4:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

what? I can't think two things at once?

He really is a nice guy, with a good personality. He’s got cliches that seem like they’re cliches, but really aren’t because they’re underused (That was the cherry on top of my apple pie, etc.) but he HAD TO GO.

I feel the same way about Garrett right now: I love him, BUT HIS F*ING LAZY ASS NEEDS TO BE BENCHED.

by Rockie4Ever on May 29, 2009 4:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

One day

i’m going to actually write about this.

But Atkins needs to play every day……Stewart needs a breather in AAA. This is best for 2010. Atkins could play and drive up his value above a dead cat, and Stewart might get straightened out for next year.

by Redhawk on May 29, 2009 4:11 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

it was an example, I don't think he needs to be benched, as he's improving (i think)

but yes, I agree. Stewart needs to be a man and step down for a little.

by Rockie4Ever on May 29, 2009 4:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Atkins needs to play to prove that he doesn’t suck because we want to trade him because he sucks.

Since you are claiming you are insane to avoid bombing missions, you are clearly sane and therefore OK to fly boming missions.

Listen, this signature line is a big part of who I am.

by frightenedinmate#2 on May 29, 2009 4:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

As a manager

He probably made several million over the course of 7 years…. I think he’s going to be fine for a while without a job.

by wolf213 on May 29, 2009 4:05 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Think the Rockies

will fight his unemployment claim?

by Redhawk on May 29, 2009 4:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

he has a claim

Don't say nothing about A.J. Pierzynski without good cause , even if you do have one i will still kick your butt. As the young woman who believes he's better than most idiots around here that don't understand him. i like my menace. GO SOX! Women rule the world Men just live in it to do as we say.

by pierzynskirules on May 29, 2009 4:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

solution that's win-win-win:

Let’s have the Rockies hire him. We really, really, desperately need another mini-donut stand over by section 140, so we don’t have to walk all the way around the stadium :-)

by Rockie4Ever on May 29, 2009 4:11 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

only 2 tornadough

stands on the main level is not enough

by Redhawk on May 29, 2009 4:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

1 mini donut in the entire stadium

by Rockie4Ever on May 29, 2009 4:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well I think I see where you are wrong here

tornadoughs > Mini donuts

by Redhawk on May 29, 2009 4:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

mini donuts= timeless

tornadoughs= silly little fad, that no one will remember in ten years

by Rockie4Ever on May 29, 2009 4:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

easy there slugger

let’s not say things we can’t take back

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: http://tinyurl.com/mo975h

by Andrew Martin on May 30, 2009 8:22 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Everyone (especially Narcoleptico, and Franchise), just enjoy the day

Just have fun, be happy our team has been saved. Feel a little twinge of sadness for Hurdle? Fine. It’s human. Just think, though, he won’t be sitting in the dugout at the game!!! It’s going to be the Best game ever.

/end Dr.Phil

by Rockie4Ever on May 29, 2009 4:27 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

I won't enjoy this day until the Nuggets win Game 6 tonight.

If that happens, cue up the Spongebob.

Staying on the sunny side of Blake Street since 1993.
The Shawn Chacon Experience - Life as a Rockies fan, one day at a time: Because we're all still recovering from those nine blown saves.

by Franchise26 on May 29, 2009 4:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

sssh... you can't talk about it!!! It'll jinx it!!!

plus, my day’s been filled with enough Nuggets stuff already.

by Rockie4Ever on May 29, 2009 4:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1

You gotta love the way 1 event (and an event advocated by the majority of people here) can elicit so many different reactions. Great stuff…

by Resolution on May 29, 2009 4:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

get that scary anthropomorphic sponge out of here

if you're reading this, it means my undying support for your team will result in its failure.

by fantasyfencing on May 29, 2009 4:31 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

hey, i'm excited

i finally get to watch Rockies baseball again. It’s been a while (well, like a week but it seems longer).

by Narcoleptico on May 29, 2009 4:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Any word on Dinger's status?

I was hoping he would be DFA’d and we’d call up that fox they’ve got at Colorado Springs.

Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for too many men on the field?
Author: Jim Bouton

by pedalpusher on May 29, 2009 4:30 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs

nooooooooooooooo

dinger is the best

if you're reading this, it means my undying support for your team will result in its failure.

by fantasyfencing on May 29, 2009 4:31 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I fix it:

noooooooooooo

dinger is the best

/end sarcasm

by Rockie4Ever on May 29, 2009 4:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I hear Wally the Walnut is available...

:)

by ModNut on May 29, 2009 4:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I love Sox the Fox.

I’ve been seeing that dude dance since I was wee little tyke.

"Don't tell me about the world. Not today. It's springtime and they're knocking baseballs around fields where the grass is damp and green in the morning and the kids are trying to hit the curve ball." -Pete Hamill

by Bryce on May 29, 2009 4:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

REC'd

"DAMMIT! No, calm down. Learn to enjoy losing." --Hunter S. Thompson

by PioneerSkies on May 30, 2009 12:58 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

another plus:

Front page, baby!!!

by Rockie4Ever on May 29, 2009 4:37 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

grrr, why must it fail?

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/9325/hahahahahahaha.th.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

by Rockie4Ever on May 29, 2009 4:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

round 3

by Rockie4Ever on May 29, 2009 4:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I give up

just go to the link… sigh

http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hahahahahahaha.jpg

by Rockie4Ever on May 29, 2009 4:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I like how you circled ESPN

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on May 29, 2009 4:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

So what the record for number of posts on a fan shot?

Is this one close?

Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for too many men on the field?
Author: Jim Bouton

by pedalpusher on May 29, 2009 4:50 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

I went to the massacre on Monday

And I decided I wasn’t going to Coors Field again until they fired Hurdle. I’m glad it didn’t take long.

The following is a list of professional athletes I hate more than Kobe Bryant:

by free7694 on May 29, 2009 4:51 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Sooooo......

One down, Dan O’Dowd to go?

Jim Zorn, 55. Sean Miller, 40. AJ Hinch, 34. Notice a pattern here?

by DbacksSkins on May 29, 2009 4:57 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Seems to be that way. We'll see how this all pans out.

"Don't tell me about the world. Not today. It's springtime and they're knocking baseballs around fields where the grass is damp and green in the morning and the kids are trying to hit the curve ball." -Pete Hamill

by Bryce on May 29, 2009 5:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Also

just to remind everyone that the world does not sit idle through great regime changes, Jim Tracy’s Wikipedia already has him as the Rockies manager

by Resolution on May 29, 2009 5:00 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Whoah.

"Don't tell me about the world. Not today. It's springtime and they're knocking baseballs around fields where the grass is damp and green in the morning and the kids are trying to hit the curve ball." -Pete Hamill

by Bryce on May 29, 2009 5:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dan Uggla's ASG errors

were posted on wikipedia almost as soon as he made them

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: http://tinyurl.com/mo975h

by Andrew Martin on May 30, 2009 8:28 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thank. God.

If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding! HOW can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?!

by SlamDunkTheFunk on May 29, 2009 5:14 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

From Hurdle's Wiki:

Hurdle has been offered a “significant role” within the Rockies organization.1

1 ^ The Ride Home with Dave and Lois, 850KOA radio, 5/29/09

Wonder what that’s about.

"Don't tell me about the world. Not today. It's springtime and they're knocking baseballs around fields where the grass is damp and green in the morning and the kids are trying to hit the curve ball." -Pete Hamill

by Bryce on May 29, 2009 5:14 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Oh geebus

Next thing we know they’ll have signed him as head of scouting or something.

I love Greg Reynolds. Deal with it, suckers.

by Silverblood on May 29, 2009 5:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

For a second

I was delighting in the imagined irony of O’Dowd firing Hurdle, and then being hired to replace him.

"Don't tell me about the world. Not today. It's springtime and they're knocking baseballs around fields where the grass is damp and green in the morning and the kids are trying to hit the curve ball." -Pete Hamill

by Bryce on May 29, 2009 5:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I could be on board some sort of community outreach job.

Or maybe even some sort of roving philosopher for the minor leagues. Ha.

But really, I’m sure he could be perfectly fine in the right role.

by holly96 on May 29, 2009 5:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Everyone here is always saying how

O’Dowd and Hurdle are tight and stuff. Maybe Jim Tracy is the Medvedev to Hurdle’s Putin…

by Resolution on May 29, 2009 5:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

LOL

by holly96 on May 29, 2009 5:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

If they're assigning him to the facility in Tucson to work with some young guys, I think that'd be just fine.

Staying on the sunny side of Blake Street since 1993.
The Shawn Chacon Experience - Life as a Rockies fan, one day at a time: Because we're all still recovering from those nine blown saves.

by Franchise26 on May 29, 2009 5:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Or maybe swapping him out with Runnells and sending him CS.

"Don't tell me about the world. Not today. It's springtime and they're knocking baseballs around fields where the grass is damp and green in the morning and the kids are trying to hit the curve ball." -Pete Hamill

by Bryce on May 29, 2009 5:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

How about...

Clint Hurdle replaces George Frazier?

"DAMMIT! No, calm down. Learn to enjoy losing." --Hunter S. Thompson

by PioneerSkies on May 30, 2009 1:00 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

That would be great

seriously

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on May 30, 2009 2:42 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I love this quote from the MLB.com article:

“Am I sitting here saying to you that this is going to be a turnaround overnight?” Tracy said. “Maybe not. But I am going to do what I think has a chance to work.”

Maybe not? You know something about overnight turnarounds that we don’t, namely that they don’t exist?

"Don't tell me about the world. Not today. It's springtime and they're knocking baseballs around fields where the grass is damp and green in the morning and the kids are trying to hit the curve ball." -Pete Hamill

by Bryce on May 29, 2009 5:21 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

OMG, CLASSIC Tracy

His interviews are always him asking questions to himself and then answering them.

Witty .sig goes here.

by scareduck on May 29, 2009 6:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Obligatory

Scrubs reference (at about 3:20 and 6:15)

"DAMMIT! No, calm down. Learn to enjoy losing." --Hunter S. Thompson

by PioneerSkies on May 30, 2009 1:14 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I was going to if you didn't

NIIIICE

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on May 30, 2009 2:43 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

For those of you who get ESPN Classic...

Stephen Strasburg’s NCAA start against Virginia is just beginning on the tube.

by alex colfax on May 29, 2009 5:23 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

So how long until

we have lengthy discourse on all possible manager replacements and then a close examination of suitable replacements?

by Resolution on May 29, 2009 5:24 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Personally,

I’ll just be watching the Rockies for a while now. I’m all managered-out.

"Don't tell me about the world. Not today. It's springtime and they're knocking baseballs around fields where the grass is damp and green in the morning and the kids are trying to hit the curve ball." -Pete Hamill

by Bryce on May 29, 2009 5:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Amen to that

by Resolution on May 29, 2009 5:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Check out Troy Renck's Newest Article in the post

http://www.denverpost.com/rockies/ci_12479938

Very good explanation as to why the wheels fell off this season.

A couple of quote worthy things here

On opening day in Arizona, manager Clint Hurdle posted the lineup. Clint Barmes wasn’t in it, despite a terrific spring training and assurances he was the starting second baseman.

A veteran player rolled his eyes and said, “Why can’t our manager just once not be a (jerk).”

Even during Hurdle’s most glorious run, when the team won 21 of 22 games in 2007 to reach the World Series, players didn’t give him a lot credit. They felt they won despite of him, not for him.

Hurdle let last season slip away, didn’t hold the players accountable. In truth, general manager Dan O’Dowd should have fired Hurdle after last season. He wanted to, but found a compromise when Hurdle agreed to gut his coaching staff to save himself. He added veteran coaches who had managed before, namely Tracy.

But there was carryover to the regular season. Hurdle let little things go unpunished during that first regular season series in Arizona – players not executing fundamentals — which proved a crucial mistake. By the time the reeling Rockies arrived in Pittsburgh two weeks ago, his job was hanging in the balance. He held a team meeting and lectured the players.

It came across as desperate, particularly when he benched Troy Tulowitzki for swinging at a first pitch a week later. Tulo was wrong, but so were countless other guys and none were benched.

Wow…. just wow.

by wolf213 on May 29, 2009 5:43 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

I just flipped back over here

to post that same link. It pretty much sums up the situation.

Great minds, and all that.

So. When is enough enough?

by rockhead on May 29, 2009 5:55 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I wonder if Renck was sitting on that Opening Day thing or just found out.

"Don't tell me about the world. Not today. It's springtime and they're knocking baseballs around fields where the grass is damp and green in the morning and the kids are trying to hit the curve ball." -Pete Hamill

by Bryce on May 29, 2009 6:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not going to bother reading all these comments.

But this definitely busts the myth; there is a front office.

by mkorpal on May 29, 2009 6:22 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Sorry if this has been discussed (really, I don't want to read 200+ posts)

but do we like the decision to promote Tracy over Baylor?

by mkorpal on May 29, 2009 6:25 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

I think the concensous was

That he’s ok for now, as long as during the offseason there is a real search for a manager.

by wolf213 on May 29, 2009 6:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think the comparison came up.

Tracy has been certified crazy by the ’Bots, however, for his crazy Dodger madness from his Pirate days.

"Don't tell me about the world. Not today. It's springtime and they're knocking baseballs around fields where the grass is damp and green in the morning and the kids are trying to hit the curve ball." -Pete Hamill

by Bryce on May 29, 2009 6:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry everyone, I didn't mean to sound like I was calling anyone out or anything

I guess I’m just a little sore on the issue of unemployment right now. In the past month, my dad has been demoted, my mom’s pension has evaporated, and I almost lost my job and had to drop out of college. I really didn’t mean for things to get so overblown.

Can we just be happy that the Rockies won tonight?

"Admirably obsessive." - Uni Watch, March 24th, 2009
NA34 | HK | RMN

by oo_nrb on May 29, 2009 11:32 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs