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Monday Rockpile: Manny Corpas not long for Denver

Patrick Saunders writes that Manny Corpas' adventure yesterday likely has ticketed him to the Sky Sox for the time being.

Troy Tulowitzki, who played on his first losing baseball team last year, knows that changes need to be made:

"Things have got to change, and we have to find a way to get hits and drive men in," Tulowitzki said after the Rockies went 0-for-5 with runners in scoring position.

Tim Sullivan over at the San Diego Union-Tribune writes that it could be a long wait for the Padres until things get better. Let's hope it doesn't start tonight when Jorge De La Rosa faces Kevin Correia. I particularly like this line Sullivan offers:

You might patch some holes with reclamation projects, but it's hard to compete for pennants with a scratch-and-dent starting rotation.

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I actually voted to send him down however

I would be in favor of sending Bob Apodaca somewhere. He’s the one consistent piece that never changes. And neither does our pitching performance. Coincidence? I don’t think so.

Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for too many men on the field?
Author: Jim Bouton

by pedalpusher on May 4, 2009 8:37 AM MDT reply actions  

We had this conversation a couple of threads ago

Here if you’re interested.

So as not to repeat anything already posted in what I felt was a pretty fair discussion, I’ll simply say that you’re making a pretty gross oversimplification.

Staying on the sunny side of Blake Street since 1993.
The Shawn Chacon Experience - Life as a Rockies fan, one day at a time: Because we're all still recovering from those nine blown saves.

by Franchise26 on May 4, 2009 9:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

Sorry for rehashing old news. I was out of town for a few days and unable to get my Purplerow fix.

That is a good discussion. But if Hurdle goes, I’m pretty sure Apodaca will be gone at some point. Maybe the end of the year but the new guy will bring in his on pitching coach.

Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for too many men on the field?
Author: Jim Bouton

by pedalpusher on May 4, 2009 9:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

No disagreement from me there

And hey, no apology needed, just thought you might be interested in the discussion. It’s all good.

Staying on the sunny side of Blake Street since 1993.
The Shawn Chacon Experience - Life as a Rockies fan, one day at a time: Because we're all still recovering from those nine blown saves.

by Franchise26 on May 4, 2009 9:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

Ok...so Corpas it looks like the Purple Tribe have spoken

Now….who do you want to be called up…and why? Remember Franklin Morales is eligible to come off the DL fairly soon (Thursday the 7th if I counted correctly). As is Ryan Speier, who is throwing and traveling with the team.

Or….would you rather see some one else like, Steven Register, Shane Lindsey, Damian Moss, Adam Bright, etc?

by Redhawk on May 4, 2009 9:25 AM MDT reply actions  

Casey Weat... oh, right

(Yes, I realize Rox Girl already made that joke a few threads ago.)

Boy, is that an uninspiring group of options. Register looked horrible in his cameo last year. I like Lindsay and he’s done some nice things out of Tulsa’s pen, but I want to see some better command from him before he gets the big call.

The likely outcome, I think, if they don’t want to carry Corpas’s corpse in the bullpen until Speier returns, is a Register call-up. I don’t see him being all that much better than Corpas has been, but at least there won’t be the temptation to give him any important innings.

Shame about Corpas too because aside from him that was a good collaborative effort from the pen yesterday – Embree getting the huge double play and Belisle throwing harder than he has all year in two strong innings (that two-seamer at 93-95 mph is a pretty damn good pitch, actually).

Staying on the sunny side of Blake Street since 1993.
The Shawn Chacon Experience - Life as a Rockies fan, one day at a time: Because we're all still recovering from those nine blown saves.

by Franchise26 on May 4, 2009 9:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

It probably be Speier coming back up...

I think the Rockies want to give Morales a start or two at AAA to see if his arm really can handle pitching (plus Hammel looked really good in his start). Speier will be the guy because he is already on the 40 man roster but doesn’t have any options left to not be on the active roster.

Eschew Obfuscation!

by Jeff Aberle on May 4, 2009 9:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'll throw a name out there

Louis Vizciano. He’s a free agent, has his salary paid for by the Cubs, and if you believe in the every other year is good and over used, followed by a crappy year and under used, which leads to a rebound year….this would be his rebound year.

I’d like to see what is left in the tank. He was very, very good when Torre blew him out with the Yankees 2 years ago.

Or in a few weeks, How about Shawn Chacon, who just signed with the Newark Bears of the Atlantic League?

by Redhawk on May 4, 2009 9:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

.... You're joking, right?

Riiiiiight….?

I love Greg Reynolds and I may be slightly ashamed to admit it.

by Silverblood on May 4, 2009 10:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

ummmm

these two names just seem to bring back a lot of bad memories. I don’t know if I would want to chance it.

by RockiesDave on May 4, 2009 10:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

I brought this up half jokingly in a rockpile a couple of days ago

And he’d be league min….

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies

by Andrew Martin on May 4, 2009 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

That's part of the beauty of the scrap heap

if they work out…great…if they don’t…well, just cut them. We are talking about the last guy in the pen…not the #1 starter.

I think he’s worth a flier. The Viz was pretty good, and almost dominate in 06 & 07. He might be age declined, and over used to the point of being used up and done…but this is his rebound year

by Redhawk on May 4, 2009 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

I just think it would be hilarious

I mean, even if he does well, that we have both players AND the money from the Cubs AND if Vizcaino looks good, we just win all over.

Hell, what’s Mike Hampton up to?

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies

by Andrew Martin on May 4, 2009 10:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

Hampton is starting for the Astros

had 3 good starts, a fair start, and on the 1st…sucked.

However, Jose Mesa and Ray King are both available oddly enough.

I mean, even if he does well, that we have both players AND the money from the Cubs AND if Vizcaino looks good, we just win all over.

This, would be so great

by Redhawk on May 4, 2009 10:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'll just crawl into a corner and have convulsions

Nobody’ll miss me, right? :-P

I love Greg Reynolds and I may be slightly ashamed to admit it.

by Silverblood on May 4, 2009 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

Would it make your day

to find out that Latroy Hawkins is the Astros current closer?

But on a serious “atta boy” note, Denny Stark made it to the Mariners bullpen, after having 2…that’s right 2 Tommy John surgeries

by Redhawk on May 4, 2009 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

Holy crap, you've gotta be kidding

Denny Freaking Stark? The worst pitcher in Rockies history? Wow. Good for him, I guess.

Staying on the sunny side of Blake Street since 1993.
The Shawn Chacon Experience - Life as a Rockies fan, one day at a time: Because we're all still recovering from those nine blown saves.

by Franchise26 on May 4, 2009 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

Jose Mesa?

Awesome. What’s Kevin Ritz up to?

I’d bet Pedro Astacio would solidify this rotation!

Let’s just bring all the old guys we can find in.

Seriously though I was pissed when I saw Hampton doing well this season.

grumblegrumblegrumble.

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies

by Andrew Martin on May 4, 2009 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

Whee!

Aadro Pistacio…how fondly I remember him and the almost inevitable 4-spot he would give up in the top of the first. Of course, that’s back in the days when we would come back and win 14-12. Good times!

I like my ellipses!

by WalkInRight on May 4, 2009 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

I hear Darren Holmes isn't too busy these days

Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave

by Mondogarage on May 4, 2009 3:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't mind this move

I had initial reservations to the Marquis trade because I thought Vizcaino is a lot better than he showed last season.

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on May 4, 2009 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

+ a tentative 1

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies

by Andrew Martin on May 4, 2009 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

Thinking outside the box

The Rockies could always call up a starting pitcher and move Hammel to the bullpen (or stick said starting pitcher callup in the bullpen.) The bullpen options in Colorado Springs are uninspiring, but Jason Hirsh and Alan Johnson haven’t been bad.

by Tom (RFTN) on May 4, 2009 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm kind of baffled that Tulo has the marbles to call out his team

When he’s been a guaranteed 2 out popup on a ball out of the zone the past 2 weeks.

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies

by Andrew Martin on May 4, 2009 10:07 AM MDT reply actions  

He said "we"

not “they.” I imagine he’s only too well aware he’s part of the problem.

I love Greg Reynolds and I may be slightly ashamed to admit it.

by Silverblood on May 4, 2009 10:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

At this point

I would settle for seeing him drive the ball with runners in scoring postion. Even if it’s right at someone, give me that split second of hope that it’s a hit. Striking out or popping up is getting a little boring.

Listen, this signature line is a big part of who I am.

by frightened inmate #2 on May 4, 2009 10:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

Again..

I concur.

 It does seem like both opposing teams and the umps are telling Tulo to “put up or shut up” at this point. Teams are working around other batters to get to his ‘easy out(s)’ and the umps are calling strikes way inside and outside the plate to force him to establish some plate presence (i.e. foul some balls off and some of the borderline calls might start to swing his way).

On the other hand, you can’t help but feel sorry for the guy when he gets the crap first and second strike calls on him. That at bat against Wilson yesterday was brutal. First pitch strike a foot inside, second pitch strike wayyyyyyy outside.

And I definitely do not condone this NBA hierarchy style of officiating in MLB. I’m a bit tired of the rox seeming to get the Clippers level type calls so far this season…

/drops pointy stick and runs away from very large hornets nest

I like my ellipses!

by WalkInRight on May 4, 2009 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I was pondering how to interpret this as well. Seems like it’s mostly self motivational with a little (lot?) of “let’s get our crap together guys.”

I like my ellipses!

by WalkInRight on May 4, 2009 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure it was that

But it still seems …haughty…. coming from him.

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies

by Andrew Martin on May 4, 2009 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm just happy SOMEBODY says it.

I feel like everyone else is saying, Okay, we suck right now, but we’ll come around, so just hang tight. At least Tulo says straight out things need to get better.

by Squeaky on May 4, 2009 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

Well yeah, and correct me if I'm wrong

But isn’t it usually one of the more humble guys who is actually performing who says it, and then everyone else says “what a selfless guy, he’s batting .343 but he still says ‘we’ because he’s part of the collective” and leaders are made and legends as well, but then deep down everyone knows that he really means “everyone but me” but isn’t actually carrying such an attitude, so it’s not a big deal /runon sentence

apply that to Tulo and it just kind of makes him seem like a jerk. It could just be me, though.

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies

by Andrew Martin on May 4, 2009 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

apply that to Tulo and it just kind of makes him seem like a jerk. It could just be me, though.

Not just you. I saw that and thought he really should be concentrating more on himself.

by Redhawk on May 4, 2009 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

Uhhh

Forgive me if I’m missing something here, but isn’t the point that the TEAM needs to get better? Tulo is, after all, part of the TEAM.

Look, Tulo’s been piled on a lot recently, and for the playing part, he kinda deserves it. At least for now. But this, for me, is just splitting semantic hairs. He says that the team as a whole needs to, well, get its crap together. As I said, I’m willing to bet a lot of my nonexistent money that he knows that includes him.

I love Greg Reynolds and I may be slightly ashamed to admit it.

by Silverblood on May 4, 2009 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm not disagreeing

I’m just kind of expressing my gut reaction

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies

by Andrew Martin on May 4, 2009 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

Totally agreed

he took the blame last year when he wasn’t a “leader” when he was struggling. The powers that be wanted him to be a leader in any and every situation and now he does it and he gets crap for being a jerk.

It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.

by smokinRox on May 4, 2009 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

Tulo's ego

far surpasses his production since 2007. The two have been on wildly divergent paths. The kid should shut his mouth and do some talking with his bat. God, it kills me to be so down on a guy that I was in love with so very recently, but he drives me crazy with this stuff. Whoever is the first to invent the flux capacitor among us must immediately go back and stop that damn SI cover from happening.

by Teekalong on May 4, 2009 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

Dammit

I forgot to include that as an option on my poll as to who’s to blame.

I love Greg Reynolds and I may be slightly ashamed to admit it.

by Silverblood on May 4, 2009 11:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

it does look like he

made some changes to his stance. A bit more even with the plate – at least on Friday. Didn’t see the last two games to see if he gave up on that crazy theory already.

by cocainelips99 on May 4, 2009 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

It's all just bluster
“I look for positives. We aren’t just up there hacking,” manager Clint Hurdle said. “The guys are working hard to do the right thing. I believe they are going to hit. But we need to get some guys back on track who haven’t found their way.” (Denver Post, 4/24/09)

"Now we need to play better baseball for ourselves, regardless of the opponent." (Todd Helton in the Denver Post 4/23/09)

"We need our guys to step up, and they know that." (Dan O’Dowd in the Denver Post, 4/21/09)
“We are not pitching well, we are not hitting well, and offensively we feel like if we don’t score we are in trouble because we know the other team is going to score, for the most part,” Tulowitzki said. “We need to get back to basics. It’s frustrating. We have to answer or otherwise we are going to be in for a very long year.” (Denver Post, 4/21/09)

Personally, I’m weary of the talk, and I have a feeling most everyone else is as well. When does all the chatter get followed up by some action?

The great thing about baseball is that there's a crisis every day. ~Gabe Paul

by rockhead on May 4, 2009 11:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'd bet they're weary of the talk, too.

They get asked by the media, I’m not sure what else they’re supposed to say.

by holly96 on May 4, 2009 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ugh...

My cautious optimism from a couple days ago has turned to cranky pessimism this morning so bear with me…

When Corpas is flatlining pitches right down the middle on a consistent basis but quoted as saying “he’s mad” and “doesn’t know what he’s doing wrong” — someone needs to take a timeout and spend a few mental health days in lovely Colo Spgs. ;)

I’m guessing Speier (if he’s healthy) or Register are ‘ready to come up’…

I like my ellipses!

by WalkInRight on May 4, 2009 10:10 AM MDT reply actions  

+1

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies

by Andrew Martin on May 4, 2009 10:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

I didn't read that

as he’s already doing everything right. I’m sure they’ve worked with him, but for some reason it’s just not happening. It’s not as if he doesn’t want to get it fixed. He just seems lost to me, and probably more frustrated with himself than even we are with him. Which is probably what you mean. But I don’t think there’s any ego there, just a guy who wants to figure out what’s gone wrong with himself and hasn’t been able to.

by holly96 on May 4, 2009 12:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

So I get back from a month in Europe, excited for my Rockies

and it appears that we suck.

From the looks of it, inconsistent hitting, bullpen and top of the rotation all are to blame?

by Muzia on May 4, 2009 10:14 AM MDT reply actions  

yeah

and we aren’t even good enough to blame stuff on Hurdle anymore. That’s the real shame.

by cocainelips99 on May 4, 2009 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

Uhhhh

you didn’t see yesterday’s gamethread, did you

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies

by Andrew Martin on May 4, 2009 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

Exactly, its all still being blamed on Hurdle

nothing has changed there at all. I guess another manager will come in and suddenly teach our guys how to hit w/ RISP. If thats possible I’m all for hiring that guy.

It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.

by smokinRox on May 4, 2009 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

Well that's the thing

I keep seeing “we need to hit with RISP” but how DO you coach that? The lineup is still changing every day, and just because we had a couple of big games, everyone has now dismissed it.

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies

by Andrew Martin on May 4, 2009 11:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

Exactly my point, I don't think coaching can change a thing

unless he is just so tight that it is making the rest of the team tight. I don’t see that in Hurdle. He makes some poor decisions at times, but go to any teams blog after a loss and you will inevitably find fans who don’t like how the game was managed, but to me the players are not getting it done. A new manager may help in the short term, but it will not give us anything more than a short term jolt, until these guys start learning to slow the game down w/ runners on.

It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.

by smokinRox on May 4, 2009 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

Well, at the same time

Will keeping Hurdle improve anything?

Sometimes a shakeup just makes things change or something.

Maybe Hurdle is like training wheels or something.

I’m really just throwing out conjecture here, I have no idea, and I don’t think anyone really does

Except bunt rage

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies

by Andrew Martin on May 4, 2009 11:07 AM MDT up reply actions  

The firing that needs to be done now

is the GM. Assuming a replacement GM would be available to be hired. And no..not to save 09. But a new GM would be able to start looking at what he had in the organization, and what he doesn’t have, to get ready for the off season.

How many games would a new manager add to 09 if Hurdle was fired? Well, history shows there is usually (not always though) a spike of about 2 week of better play, than it trails back off. If a player can’t hit major league pitching, there isn’t much a manager can do about it.

by Redhawk on May 4, 2009 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

Firing Hurdle

probably nees to happen, but I agree with the above that it really won’t matter. This is not a playoff team, and no new manager will make it so. I agree on O’Dowd, but I’ve been beating that drum for years and seems unlikely to ever happen.

by Teekalong on May 4, 2009 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

and I don't hate O'Dowd

I’d give him a 6 out 10…that’s not bad. Just not good enough. I’d actually give Hurdle a lower score 4 or even a 3 outta 10. But there is only so much a manager can do. If a new manager was worth 5 more wins…this team still isn’t making the playoffs like you said.

by Redhawk on May 4, 2009 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

I still think O'Dowd's decent, like a full point above yours, 7/10!!!

and his hands are tied by the ownership. I mean, I wanted Hudson. But when the boss says “no signing Hudson” what do you do?

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies

by Andrew Martin on May 4, 2009 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

I agree w/ this

I actually like O’Dowd quite a bit more in his job than Hurdle. I like both as people, but O’Dowd has done a quality job, where as Hurdle is still somewhere in the middle to me. I hope this team will turn it around soon and no one has to be let go, but I’m afraid Hurdle probably has only a month left at the most.

My biggest point is a change in manager will not help this team win at this point, we need clutch hitting plain and simple. I don’t think a new voice will help, but you never know.

It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.

by smokinRox on May 4, 2009 2:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

There's another thought here too, and this is directed at everyone in the "fire the man" camp

Theo Epstein looks like a genius because he has the Red Sox payroll to back his mistakes.

Billy Beane may not be a REAL genius, but he has an excellent track record.

O’Dowd has spotty ownership backing, and he’s just not as crafty as Beane is when it comes to trading guys in their 5th year – Harden, Blanton, etc.

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies

by Andrew Martin on May 4, 2009 2:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not sure how you coach it

Is it a fluky thing?

I remember that Toronto was abysmal last year with RISP, and yet this year they seem to be doing quite well. There were significant coaching changes made, but can you really give credit to the coaches for such a turnaround?

It looks like we have been awful in close games and, with a couple hits in the right places, this team is looking at .500 at least, even with a leaky bullpen and rough starts by our two “aces”

by Muzia on May 4, 2009 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

I fully support Corpas being temporarily demoted.

In terms of options of who to replace him, we don’t have a lot. Speier, as far as I can tell, is eligible to return on Thursday, so we may be waiting for that.

In terms of options from AAA, Steven Register is the only Sky Sox reliever on the active roster. He’s doing okay in terms of runs allowed, though he’s getting hit a lot. He has the worst WHIP of any reliever on the team at an even 2.00, and has given up 16 hits in ten innings pitched. May be worth an emergency callup.

In terms of performance and situation, Randy Flores could be an option. Flores is arguably the best reliever on the Sky Sox right now, has more major league experience than anyone else, and is also considering opting out of the organization. Assuming we could find room on the roster somewhere for him (which would require a DFA, outright, or 60 Day DL transfer), he’d be a prime temporary option, I think.

by Greg Stanwood on May 4, 2009 10:54 AM MDT reply actions  

O'Dowd was interviewed by Chris Meyers yesterday

and said that Flores was really impressing him, along with Joel Peralta…for what it’s worth

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on May 4, 2009 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

I thought Flores wanted to opt out

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies

by Andrew Martin on May 4, 2009 11:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

He is considering it, I mentioned it in my post.

A major league promotion could certainly change that.

by Greg Stanwood on May 4, 2009 11:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

Peralta's last week or so doesn't seem to have been kind to him

Last time I checked, he led the team in ERA and was second in WHIP. Now ERA is 4.15 with a 1.65 WHIP.

by Greg Stanwood on May 4, 2009 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

De La Rosa and blisters

A couple years ago, DLR missed 42 games because of a blister. He was pulled from his last start because of a blister. But, he said (after that game) that it wasn’t a big deal and he would be ok.

Do we trust him? Is there any further news on this? Is he going to throw meatballs this week?

by chem on May 4, 2009 10:58 AM MDT reply actions  

I had heard it had gotten better and would be a non-issue today

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on May 4, 2009 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

Not very specific

but here. I read more detail somewhere, but I’m not sure where that was

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on May 4, 2009 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ugh...

My cautious optimism from a couple days ago has turned to cranky pessimism this morning so bear with me…

When Corpas is flatlining pitches right down the middle on a consistent basis but quoted as saying “he’s mad” and “doesn’t know what he’s doing wrong” — someone needs to take a timeout and spend a few mental health days in lovely Colo Spgs. ;)

I’m guessing Speier (if he’s healthy) or Register are ‘ready to come up’…

I like my ellipses!

by WalkInRight on May 4, 2009 11:20 AM MDT reply actions  

Speaking of which

It’s about time for a new PURPs list, isn’t it? Billings should be on this one.

by Tom (RFTN) on May 4, 2009 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions  

Gomez

could someone give a brief summary of what Law had to say about Gomez?…i’m not an Insider subscriber, so i wasn’t able to read that part….thanks

by milkmanmax on May 4, 2009 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Here's KLaw's take...
Gomez missed all of 2008 with a pair of injuries, including Tommy John surgery, but his arm has clearly recovered and is at least a 60 at short. He has great bat speed, accelerating his wrists late and swinging hard every time; he’s on his front foot early but keeps some of his weight back, and then swings with everything he’s got. He’s a plus runner and got down the line in four seconds flat on a bunt for a hit, but in his last at-bat showed little regard for whether or not each pitch was near the strike zone. He’s an exciting talent and has the tools to be an impact player in the majors; he belongs in the Futures Game this year on the World Team.

Eschew Obfuscation!

by Jeff Aberle on May 4, 2009 1:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

Whew... Glad to know K-law and I are on the same page with those two.

I hate it when I’m on my own with prospects, it usually means I’m way off, and not having seen anybody else say anything really positive about Billings had me worried that was the case with him.

by Rox Girl on May 4, 2009 1:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Is there a synopsis on what was said about Billings

I kept wondering about him, but no one mentioned him as a prospect and if I remember correctly it was because his stuff is not overpowering, is that correct. Is he a finesse or control righty, similar to Hynick.

It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.

by smokinRox on May 4, 2009 2:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not really

according to the Cube, he’s a SO pitcher. He was popping the catcher’s mitt with regularity when I saw him, although he gave up a few hits.

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on May 4, 2009 4:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

He's not like Hynick.

Every start I’ve seen him he averages over 90 on the gun, usually sits around 91 or 92. So he does have some stuff. My problem is that he’s got flyball tendencies with that fastball and as Law notes, doesn’t really have an above average breaking pitch to put with it.

He is deceptive with his speed, though, batters are always swinging late, it seems, so what’s actually a 91/92 mph pitch is having the effect of a pitch a couple mph faster than that. The FB rates are also showing that when hitters do connect, they’re getting under the pitch, meaning that his FB has better than expected horizontal movement away from RHB’s ands into the hands of LHB’s as well.

by Rox Girl on May 4, 2009 4:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

Awesome

When I watched him, I had thought he was throwing 95 or so, but I caught the radar gun registering no higher than 93 and mostly at 91. So I can attest to the “deceptive speed”

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on May 4, 2009 5:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah,

remember when you miscalculated his home run rate?

"If we never try, we shall never succeed." - Abraham Lincoln

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by Russ Oates on May 4, 2009 7:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh, and I mean by a wide margin.

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by Russ Oates on May 4, 2009 7:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

What, was it a math error? I tend to have those.

I actually don’t remember, but it wouldn’t surprise me. What’s the point, exactly, other than to point out that I need people to check my math?

by Rox Girl on May 4, 2009 7:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not sure.

Just something random that only I would remember.

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by Russ Oates on May 4, 2009 7:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

true, you do have a mind for that...

As is the case here, much to my ego’s chagrin.

by Rox Girl on May 4, 2009 7:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

Remember, Rockies Chick has a journalism degree, not math

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on May 4, 2009 11:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm completely fine with Corpas being sent down

and think it’s probably the best decision. But reading that article made me feel a little bad for the guy. I think I’m a big old softy, because I want to give him a hug. He just sounds so confused and sad, and it’s not like he doesn’t want to be better. Sad panda.

by holly96 on May 4, 2009 12:40 PM MDT reply actions  

tell that to Garrett Atkins.

We seriously, seriously need to look into some pruning, and soon.

Atkins’ presence means Stewart can’t grow. I hate to admit it, but Helton’s presence means Smith/Gonzalez can’t grow.

If Helton is producing, he’s playing (obviously).

Atkins is not producing. Time for a brushfire.

Bye Bye Baker, Q, Atkins, etc.

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies

by Andrew Martin on May 4, 2009 2:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Actually the same holds true for most jobs that pay well in the real world

I miss my numbers or decrease shareholder value and I am out as CEO. Unless your some Govt job or entry level job it is the real world.

by PinchHitLancePainter on May 4, 2009 3:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

I never said it wasn't.

Like I said, I have no problem with Corpas being sent down. I’m just feeling a bit of human emotion for the guy, that’s all.

by holly96 on May 4, 2009 4:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Agree on Atkins as he is a waste

he has no athleticism, no speed, cannot field anything outside of his immediate reach and is very streaky at best.

He should get sold for a refridgerator.

by PinchHitLancePainter on May 4, 2009 2:57 PM MDT reply actions  

Come on, be real here

we can get a few boxes of baseballs and a new whirlpool along with that ‘fridge, let’s be fair to the guy

Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies

by Andrew Martin on May 4, 2009 3:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

If that fridge

Can be converted into a keginator, I say go for it.

The great thing about baseball is that there's a crisis every day. ~Gabe Paul

by rockhead on May 4, 2009 5:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'd like my very own GarrAtkins

as I’ve heard he’s a picture hanging specialist and I have a few pictures sitting around the house…

If you’ll take a ten year old bottom-freezer fridge with no water features you’ve got a deal!

These are the jokes, people...

by WalkInRight on May 4, 2009 5:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

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