Hurdle, O'Dowd and the Bunt
I wish to comment on Hurdle’s decision to bunt Iannetta in the 8th inning and Spilborghs in the 9th inning. The good news is that Iannetta correctly hit into a double play. Maybe Hurdle will not try it again with him. What troubles me is that Spilborghs laid down a good bunt, which was terrible news. Hurdle will now be encouraged to bunt with Spilborghs all season now.
Hurdle looks at this as though it is "Good fundamental Baseball". He says it all the time. As if he knows? This is the strategy part of baseball. To my knowledge there are no baseball strategy books. I am a poker player. I have over 50 poker books, all of which I have read, some 5 times. When I am at the casino, and I get a tricky hand, I go home and look at the math on the computer. I have a program that simulates a million hands after I imput the information, and it tells me the math.
If Hurdle or O’Dowd ever did this they would know not to have guys that have career ops+ of 103 and 111 bunt in that situation. They need to run a simulation of 1,000 games of Iannetta and Spilly swinging away instead of bunting, to really know what they should have done. I cannot imagine that it is even close that the bunt was the right decision.
Someone needs to point this out to these guys.
I like Hurdle. I believe the players will do anything he asks them to do. He seems like a really good person. Hurdle was instramental in the development of several of the best Rockies. I also believe if Hurdle is fired, and anyone else comes in, they will make this same stupid mistake. This really is an O’Dowd problem. He needs to sit Hurdle down and show him the math.
There are no plays in baseball like basketball, hockey or football. When a single is hit to the centerfielder with a runner on second, the first baseman is the cuttoff to home for all teams. (Unless your third baseman is Doug DeCinces and your first baseman is Rod Carew.) It is pretty simple. At an all star team for baseball, the manager does not sit all the players down for hours before the game and explain the plays they plan to run. If Hurdle decides to change the linup it is not going to change things much. Most decisions a manager makes are cut and dried, and easy to make. SO IS THIS ONE. You don’t bunt. It is maddening that he does. Absolutely maddening.
Tracy Ringolsby should ask him. Anyone in the media should ask him, what is the math behind bunting Spillborghs? O’Dowd needs to be asked too. Someone needs to point out to these guys that they are doing the same thing as trading the Browns (New York, Tennessee and St. James) in Monopoly for the Reds (Kentucky, Indiana and Illinois). Someone needs to point out that they are doing the same thing as not protecting their Queen in Chess. Somone needs to point out to these two that they are drawing to inside straights without the odds. I am going to send them both a calculator along with this post.
This decision is a simple math decision. There is a right or wrong answer. I was playing Blackjack with my brother, and he stood pat with a 12 against a dealer 2. I pointed out to him that that was the wrong strategy, and he replied, "I don’t play it that way. I let the dealer bust." Hard to argue with that, but it is completely wrong. If you play it that way a million times, you will have less money than if you play it the correct play a million times. If Hurdle bunts in this situation a million times, he will lose more games than if he lets them swing away a million times. There is no other way to put it. It is not disputable. Two plus two does not equal 5!
It makes me so mad. And to hear them say that it is fundamental baseball? IT ISN’T FUNDAMENTAL BASEBALL!!!!!! It is a bad bet. It is against the odds.
We can only hope that Iannetta does the right thing the rest of his career and continues to hit into double plays when asked to bunt. IANNETTA NEEDS TO TEACH SPILBORGHS HOW TO BUNT!!!! The only players that should sacrifice bunt on the Rockies are the pitchers, Torrealba, and possibly Barmes in the right situation.
Someone please get to O’Dowd and Hurdle. PLEASE.
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Now, you're gonna get the influx of the fundamental baseball players arguing it
This should be fun /sits back and watches
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by Andrew Martin on May 4, 2009 10:40 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Couple thoughts
I don’t like the bunt either. It’s bad baseball in most if not all cases.
But… one case in which I’d bet you’ll find unanimity among professional baseball managers regarding the bunt is in the final two innings in a tie game in which you’re playing for one run. I’m not saying that unanimity makes it more right, just that you’ve got to come to expect to see the bunt in that spot unless you’ve got an absolutely elite hitter at the dish. Manny Ramirez isn’t bunting there. Albert Pujols isn’t bunting. Neither is A-Rod. But if you aren’t in that class of player, you’re going to be asked to lay one down.
Which brings me back to this – every major league hitter lays down bunts in the cage before they get to swing away. This is stuff you work on in the spring. It’s a skill you’ve needed your entire life as a baseball player. The Rockies take a 1-0 lead in the 8th inning if CHRIS IANNETA DOES HIS GODDAMN JOB and gets a bunt down.
Am I missing something here? Is Chris Iannetta hitting his weight yet? Oh, he’s not, but he’s got a bunch of cutesy idiotic nicknames around here, so that’s OK, he gets a pass. He’s struggling mightily, and had fanned twice already in the game. You can’t count on him to put the ball in play here. You ask him to bunt. He fails. Iannetta fails. This is not Clint Hurdle’s fault. This is on Chris Iannetta for getting down a horse-bleep bunt. He does his job, Tulo’s scooting home from second on Barmes’s single and we’re all slapping each other on the back over a 1-0 victory (God willing).
But he fails and it’s Hurdle (and, somehow, Dan O’Dowd’s) fault that a big league player can’t execute a sacrifice bunt. (Hell, maybe it is, maybe Hurdle needs to have guys working on their bunting a little more.)
Was that fun enough for you, RMN?
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by Franchise26 on May 4, 2009 10:46 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Iannetta's been one of our best hitters and OBP guys the past 2 weeks
And we took the bat out of his hands.
Yeah, it was a garbage bunt.
I’m convinced he wouldn’t have needed to.
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by Andrew Martin on May 4, 2009 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure not.
But hey, hindsight’s 20/10 and all that.
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by Franchise26 on May 4, 2009 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
ain't that the truth
/sigh
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by Andrew Martin on May 4, 2009 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
This
Especially:
But… one case in which I’d bet you’ll find unanimity among professional baseball managers regarding the bunt is in the final two innings in a tie game in which you’re playing for one run. I’m not saying that unanimity makes it more right, just that you’ve got to come to expect to see the bunt in that spot unless you’ve got an absolutely elite hitter at the dish.
This is the crucial point to me. We can argue probabilities, etc., until the cows come home. But in that situation, Hurdle if FAR from the only manager that makes that call. Perhaps Hurdle has bunted too often in the past, but in that situation, I don’t see how we can fault him for something nearly ever manager in the game is going to do. Take your crusade MLB-wide if you want, but I don’t see the point in singling out Hurdle.
by holly96 on May 4, 2009 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but....
It’s hard to agree with you 100% when the “leadoff man on, bunt him to second, hit to score him” late inning strategy is what won the game for the Giants.
If Iannetta bunts successfully, Barmes’s single scores Tulo.
Right now, we do not have a man on pace for 30 HR or 100 RBI. For this team to win, everyone has to contribute. And more often than not, that will mean a simple clutch single than a two run bomb. Everyone who had a shot with a runner on 2nd is to blame for the loss. Dex’s K was troubling, yes the first pitch was out of the zone, but the 2nd two were closer. At some point you have to acknowledge that the outside corner is going to be called a strike and move the bat.
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by frightenedinmate#2 on May 4, 2009 10:48 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
ahem
*rather than a two run bomb.
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by frightenedinmate#2 on May 4, 2009 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't even fault dexter for that K
Those pitchers were all balls, and if he starts hacking at pitches like that, he’s Barmes 2.0
He did his job the way he was supposed to, the ump seriously dropped the ball on that one.
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by Andrew Martin on May 4, 2009 10:53 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I absolutely will fault him
when you are 0-2 on pitches that were pretty much in the exact same spot, and here comes number 3, you have two choices. You can take the high road and say “the rules say that that is not a strike, so I will not swing.” Good luck in the win column with that strategy.
Or you can be a professional hitter, flip your bat out there and try to foul it off. Foul off a few, and try to get a better pitch to hit. Those are skills he needs to have/develop if he’s going to be all we want him to be.
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by frightenedinmate#2 on May 4, 2009 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 totally agree
You don’t take close pitches with 2 strikes…you protect.
by Redhawk on May 4, 2009 11:16 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
He does the same thing with an ump who is actually aware of the dimensions of the K zone
and he’s up 2-1
Yeah, he probably should’ve protected, but it was low and away, it was a ball.
I guess I’m more pleased with seeing his discipline – in terms of the proper dimensions of his K zone – because with a good ump, he doesn’t punch out there, so that’s my bent.
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by Andrew Martin on May 4, 2009 11:29 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Liking the discipline is fair.
And I will be interested to see the next few ABs he has, and if he lays off pitches out there.
But in that one particular battle, I would have rather seen him adjust the approach to what was being called.
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by frightenedinmate#2 on May 4, 2009 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure with a good ump he doesn't K...he might even walk
I was very peeved he called the first pitch a strike, especially after walking the last guy. But there’s just no excuse for leaving your bat on your shoulder. Bad umps happen. Looking at three pitches for strikes in the same location should never happen. Learn from the first pitch and put a swing on it,.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 4, 2009 12:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
there's bad, which is like blowing one pitch
but this guy was going back and forth on balls and strikes, you just didn’t know what was what
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by Andrew Martin on May 4, 2009 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was strike 3
really that bad of a call? I only watched it once, but it seemed to me that it was far, far too close to take, regardless of the ump or the previous calls.
by Teekalong on May 4, 2009 6:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It wasn't strike three as much as strike one
All three were balls, with strike one being the furthest outside. But in that case, I agree he needed to swing, especially not in spite of the bad calls on the first to.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 4, 2009 6:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but, but...
If Iannetta gets the bunt down, who’s to say that the Barmes at bat will end in a single? The pitcher is going to pitch him differently with a runner on 2nd. You can’t expect the same out come if you change what happend before.
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by pedalpusher on May 4, 2009 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're touching on a good point here
And it’s the main criticism I have with Fangraphs’ WPA graphs. Early outcomes result in different situations later.
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by Andrew Martin on May 4, 2009 2:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
What we need
is some good chaos theory incorporated into sabr stuff.
by Teekalong on May 4, 2009 6:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely True
A more accurate way to put it is “if Tulo was on 2nd when Barmes singled, he would have scored, barring a heckuva throw from the outfield.”
But it is frustrating to see a guy fail spectacularly at bunting and then the next guy up rip a single.
And Atkins can’t run himself out of a double play? sheesh.
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by frightenedinmate#2 on May 4, 2009 2:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bunting
David OhNo (who I miss as a sparing partner) had a good article about bunting last year. Basically a runner at 1st and no outs, has a very slightly higher percentage chance of scoring than a runner does at 2nd with 1 out, though it’s close enough to be a virtual wash.
Personally in a late game I like it if done correctly and with the right players. It takes away a double play, unless the other team walks the next batter, and then you’ve got another base runner and potential run on.
by Redhawk on May 4, 2009 11:43 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
The basic idea
is that it is a wash in terms of run expectancy for bunting, with swinging away being the better option slightly. But in terms of win expectancy late in a game, that one run is most important, so bunting is a decent option.
of course, all of this depends on who is doing the bunting, their bunting skill and their hitting skill. Without running the numbers, I’d venture to say that Iannetta’s below average bunting skill and above average OBP lead to bunting being a terrible option.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 4, 2009 12:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think my issue is
A bunt is a guaranteed out, with Iannetta running.
Iannetta has like a 35% chance of making it NOT an out.
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by Andrew Martin on May 4, 2009 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
A good Counting Rocks topic might be
Run Values by Event & why only the pitcher should bunt.
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by PioneerSkies on May 4, 2009 4:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Almost
Having Quintanilla bunt in front of Spilly and Helton with no outs, down one in the bottom of the ninth is the right play
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 4, 2009 4:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll need to read up on it more before I can really post about it
but yeah on principle.
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by Andrew Martin on May 4, 2009 11:31 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does it really matter
Sorry, but neither Hurdle or O’Dowd should have their current positions, both have proven that their are ill fit to lead a MLB team. I am tired of the same old worn excuses, this team should be able to at least compete in the NL West, and what do we have, but a poor excuse of a baseball team. I am tired of hearing that these rookies have potential and all that BS, Monforts, O’Dowd, and Hurdle all need to be on the next Amtrack train to Kansas to go work in a double A team, where they belong. I for one, will not buy another Rockies ticket, hat, jersey, baseball card or anything in any way that benefits this sad excuse of a professional baseball team. I wish the rest of Denver would wake up and join me in protest of this disgrace, some night with less than 500 people in attendance would send a clear message that the O’dowd dumbasses need to sell this team to someone who wants to build a winner and not try to stockpile money for their kids.
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by Broncoman on May 4, 2009 4:40 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey, at least there's always football season
When you get to watch the Denver Broncos take the field. Now THERE’S a smartly-run franchise all the way around.
(I couldn’t resist.)
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by Franchise26 on May 4, 2009 4:48 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
yuk yuk yuk
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by Andrew Martin on May 4, 2009 11:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
30 or so years of being pretty well run takes precedence over the previous 4 months, which haven’t been nearly the disaster the media has made it out to be.
Normally I agree with you, but all the pot shots at the Broncos are just silly. And yes, I know you’re a Seahawks fan, so you’re welcome for the Top 5 pick.
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by SlamDunkTheFunk on May 5, 2009 4:35 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Top 5 pick?
Did I miss something?
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by DbacksSkins on May 6, 2009 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Top 5
The Broncos traded their own first round pick to the Seahawks. Since the Broncos are awful, they will end up with a Top 5 pick, which the Seahawks will then have for their own.
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by Franchise26 on May 6, 2009 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oooh. Of course.
I was thinking top 5 pick this year, which is why I was confused.
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by DbacksSkins on May 6, 2009 1:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
they might have two top 5 picks!
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by SlamDunkTheFunk on May 7, 2009 5:50 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless we lose seven recievers, five linemen, and a QB to injury again, I doubt it
I would bet my mortgage, if I had one, on the Hawks not finishing last in the NFC West in 2009.
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by Franchise26 on May 7, 2009 7:28 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rams?
"Besides, this is freaking 2009.... WHERE THE HELL IS MY DAMNED FLYING CAR??"
by DbacksSkins on May 7, 2009 8:28 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, thank goodness for them
The 49ers are pretty bad, too. People forget just how bitten by the injury bug Seattle was last year, to the point where they actually had to start Charlie Frye at QB a time or two. It was just one of those years where nothing went right. If they stay healthy there is no reason they shouldn’t be at least a .500 team, with a chance to be better than that thanks to a last place schedule and the inevitable return to earth of the Cardinals.
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by Franchise26 on May 7, 2009 8:42 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The "last place schedule"
only affects two games. (The 15th and 16th)
I think Singletary will have the Niners better this year.
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by DbacksSkins on May 7, 2009 9:09 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like how this became a football thread
We need more posters with football-related screennames for these occasional diversions.
I actually think Singletary is completely unhinged and will hurt that team more than he helps it. Not having a quarterback won’t help the Niners either.
I will have talked myself into 11-5 for the Seahawks in 2009 by August, like I do every year, so be glad you’re catching me at a moment of clarity and rationality in this offseason. But I’m definitely convinced that 9-7 can win that awful NFC West again.
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by Franchise26 on May 7, 2009 9:24 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who is better - Shaun Hill or Kyle Orton? ;-)
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 7, 2009 9:30 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a battle of the checkdown reads!
Whose checkdown cuisine reigns supreme?
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by Franchise26 on May 7, 2009 9:40 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a question
of adequate neckbeardage
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by DbacksSkins on May 7, 2009 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Singletary is completely unhinged.
I also think he’ll get the Niners to play hard for him.
I think the Cardinals will inevitably regress a bit, but I still think they repeat.
And to prove that I’m an eternal optimist, I think my Redskins will win the wildcard.
"Besides, this is freaking 2009.... WHERE THE HELL IS MY DAMNED FLYING CAR??"
by DbacksSkins on May 7, 2009 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
At the same time
I don’t see Denver losing seven RBs again, while also maintaining health with the LBs and Safeties. Not all of the reason our defense was bad last year was because of the personnel. Besides, losing Nate Webster and Marquand Manuel can only be a good thing. I think people are totally blowing Denver off because they’ve only gotten negative press since December, but I don’t honestly believe it will be a 4 win (only) team.
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by SlamDunkTheFunk on May 7, 2009 4:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully
Spencer Larsen won’t have to start on offense, defense, and special teams, all in the same game, again.
Although, that WAS totally awesome.
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by DbacksSkins on May 7, 2009 6:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boooo football on a baseball board
booooooooo
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by Andrew Martin on May 8, 2009 8:55 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
When MIKE DITKA bunts,
it goes over da wall for a home run!
Jim Zorn, 55. Sean Miller, 40. AJ Hinch, 34. Notice a pattern here?
by DbacksSkins on May 8, 2009 6:58 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK Ditka jokes FTW
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by Andrew Martin on May 9, 2009 11:47 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, not that I approve of many of the recent moves on the Broncos
But I will take Pat Bowlen actually caring about the fans and the team versus the Monforts caring only about their bankroll any day of the week. Bowlen made the Broncos one of the best run franchises in the NFL, the Monforts have systematically destroyed the Rockies for their benefit and turned a great MLB town back into a glorified triple-A hub.
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by Broncoman on May 12, 2009 1:01 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
It’s hard to believe we made the World Series a few years ago.
I would hardly say we’re a “sad excuse of a professional baseball team.”
We aren’t the Washington Nationals.
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by SlamDunkTheFunk on May 5, 2009 4:38 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
And who would buy it?
You really think that some multi-billion dollar mogul is just sitting around somewhere waiting to buy the Colorado Rockies?
Time to face reality, big guy.
This team isn’t nearly as awful as you seem to think it is. Like SlamDunkTheFunk said, we just made the World Series in 2007. 2008 was injury-plagued, and 2009, we have a lot of young players trying to find their place with the team.
Am I thrilled with the team’s performance? Clearly not, none of us think 10-14 is a magical season so far. But for how miserably this team is run, you don’t seem to have many suggestions other than this large “sky-is-falling” Denver-Post-esque comment that doesn’t actually add anything to the discussion.
Now, we’re a rational bunch here. Had you come in and said “Well, I feel the problem is that O’Dowd seems overmatched in the arena of roster moves, and even if he wasn’t the Monforts don’t allow for much more than nickel-and-dime spending on safe, boring bets, and all-in-all, they seem to afraid to make some of the moves that winners need to be willing to make,” you’d have had a lot of dialogue and back and forth.
But to come in here and tell us that the team that we love and that we go out and root for every day and come here and blather about in between and during games and spend so much of our time getting excited for is a “poor excuse of a baseball team,” well, sir, I don’t take kindly to that.
I’m glad to see you’re active in Denver/Colorado sports. How about you take some time and effort in actually thinking about what you say before unveiling a huge Eye-Roller like you did right there and add something constructive to the discussion, rather than just using a thread about BUNTING as the soapbox for the same pointless rant we’ve all heard a trillion times?
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by Andrew Martin on May 5, 2009 7:09 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The World Series was luck beyond luck
Face it, without a miraculous run they would of been another below 500 team that year. Those young players look like flashes in the pan at this point, Tulo can’t hit, Francis can’t pitch, there were supposed to be cornerstones and they look pathetic.
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by Broncoman on May 12, 2009 1:04 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Francis
has a pretty good excuse, though
Jim Zorn, 55. Sean Miller, 40. AJ Hinch, 34. Notice a pattern here?
by DbacksSkins on May 12, 2009 2:34 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome, so don't watch
If you can’t provide anything constructive, don’t bother. We have enough negative things we could focus on, do you think we’re all just going to say “hmmm…he’s right! Screw this team! Let’s all be Royals fans!”
Seriously, Tulowitzki is the 6th most valuable SS in baseball right now, according to Fangraphs, and he’s been on a tear the past 2 weeks. “Can’t Hit” really shows how little you follow this team.
Jeff Francis has a busted shoulder right now, so yeah, he is unable to pitch. Good call. If you thought Francis was a serious cornerstone, again, you clearly don’t follow this team at all, because at this point, he’s our #3 or #4, especially with the talent coming up the pipe.
So like I said, you don’t like it, don’t watch. You have provided nothing to any of these discussions, and I hope you’d just do it by not posting next time.
We’ll see you in a couple of weeks when you come troll again.
Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies
by Andrew Martin on May 12, 2009 6:12 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now you sound
like a Marlins “fan”
"Besides, this is freaking 2009.... WHERE THE HELL IS MY DAMNED FLYING CAR??"
by DbacksSkins on May 6, 2009 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bunting has been a Hurdle trademark....
since he became manager. He has led the major leagues, or been near the top, in bunt attempts each and every season he has managed here. If Hurdle looked at the numbers, which I doubt he does, he’d be embarrassed about all the times he has bunted with non-pitcher and a runner at 2nd in a tie game in the early innnings. Or the times he bunted with guys who don’t bunt (Iannetta).
For the author, there are books that have explained the odds of runs expectancy with the bunt versus without it. Read “The Book”, for starters.
by GoRoxGo on May 4, 2009 5:55 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
The best strategy
is to steal 2nd, then bunt to 3rd. i used to do this all the time with Maury Wills on my old Earl Weaver computer game, and I scored 100% of the time.
Seriously though, this whole debate falls into the wonderful world of “its a good idea if it works, it is not a good idea if it doesn’t.” Just like we saw last night. Loser for us, winner for SF. Same strategy. What are you going to do? Hurdle’s going to bunt. We know that. Sky is blue. Whoever replaces him will bunt. Not much to do here.
by Teekalong on May 4, 2009 6:23 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm beyond the point
of trying to justify anything that happens with Hurdle, just like I’m beyond being angry at him. With Clint Hurdle as our manager, we know exactly what we’re getting. We’ve KNOWN what we’re getting with him. We know he’s going to bunt, let his pitchers hit for themselves only to replace them with a fresh arm immediately thereafter. We know what we’re getting with this guy! In that regard, we’ve dug our own grave.
On the flip side, the players seem to really enjoy him and while his concept of strategy is debatable, I don’t think he’s the world’s worst manager and his post-game interviews are full of great comedy when he answers questions smugly and acts smarter than everyone else in the room.
Where O’Dowd fits in to this whole thing I have no idea.
If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding! HOW can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?!
by SlamDunkTheFunk on May 5, 2009 4:47 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
The bunt worked.
Just not for us. Bunting is not always bad. If you are in the late innings, and only need one run, it can help you score runs. If SF hadn’t bunted in the 10th, it would have taken another hit to drive that run in. (Of course, with the way Manny’s been pitching, they probably would have gotten it.)
This is really a tale of two bunts: one that worked and one that didn’t. In both cases, the next AB resulted in a single.
by RoxnSox09 on May 5, 2009 12:11 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I guess here's the thing
You’re playing for 1 run, and Clint Barmes is up with a runner on 1B, yeah, I’d probably bunt with him.
But Chris Iannetta, I want him to swing away.
The real criticism is earlier in games when it’s not entirely necessary.
Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies
by Andrew Martin on May 5, 2009 1:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good fundamental baseball IS having someone bunt that CAN’T usually drive in that runner. That’s the way it was intended t be and taught way back when.
I like that number -career ops of 103 and 111 to swing away.
I propose everyone bring a sign to flash to the dug out and GM box that says –
“Don’t bunt ! He has a career ops of 103 and 111 – swing away!" Or – “No D.P.’S !”
Or simply – “ops of +103 and 111”
Just like the old days with Bill Veck on “Be a manager Day”.
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives."
Jackie Robinson
by walkoff59 on May 7, 2009 9:04 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

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