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Rockies fishgutted by Marlins, 8-3

A fifth inning collapse by pitchers Jason Hammel and Matt Belisle and the Rockies inability to come through in the clutch sabotaged their chances for victory in the 8-3 loss to the Marlins. Jason Hammel gave up six runs on the night, one in each of the first three innings and three more in the fifth.

One of the fifth inning runs scored while Hammel was still in the game and two more when Matt Belisle came on in relief and wasn't able to record an out, allowing both inherited runners to score as well as two more of his own. Glendon Rusch, Matt Daley, Manny Corpas and Huston Street stopped the Marlins from there, but the damage had been done.

Troy Tulowitzki homered in the first and hit an RBI double in the third, but once again the Rockies (11-17) showed difficulty maintaining their early offense, failing to score after Brad Hawpe singled in Tulowitzki to tie the score at three in the third. Hawpe's single was the only hit with runners in scoring position for the Rockies, who finished a paltry 1 for 16 in that category on the night.

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Hurdle ripped out our hearts

when he removed his starting pitcher with 1 out in the 5th inning only behind by a run. That’s the sort of still that can kill a team’s confidence. And, really, was Belisle REALLY going to do much better than Hammel? What was the point of that, Clint? That’s what I’d like to ask him.

by GoRoxGo on May 8, 2009 10:36 PM MDT reply actions  

fire him now!

Don't say nothing about A.J. Pierzynski without good cause , even if you do have one i will still kick your butt. I'm young woman and like every other man you're a pure idiot. next question

by pierzynskirules on May 8, 2009 10:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

sort of THING....

is what I meant, “still”.

by GoRoxGo on May 8, 2009 10:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

that was quick

that game was criminy, with only three runs being scored by the rockies and the pitching sucking.

Don't say nothing about A.J. Pierzynski without good cause , even if you do have one i will still kick your butt. I'm young woman and like every other man you're a pure idiot. next question

by pierzynskirules on May 8, 2009 10:36 PM MDT reply actions  

There should be no excuses

by Hurdle in the press conference. This team shouldn’t be this bad at home.

by GoRoxGo on May 8, 2009 10:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

yeah they should be better at home but also on the road

also there should be extra fire to wanting to be better in front of the home crowd. talk about a lull of complete stupidity

Don't say nothing about A.J. Pierzynski without good cause , even if you do have one i will still kick your butt. I'm young woman and like every other man you're a pure idiot. next question

by pierzynskirules on May 9, 2009 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

"If we never try, we shall never succeed." - Abraham Lincoln

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by Russ Oates on May 8, 2009 10:42 PM MDT reply actions  

Accurate massacre

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on May 9, 2009 10:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

Hurdle in the Press Conf

“we just need to man up…all of us”
“Smitty gets on 4 times at the top of order, and we still can’t score runs”

OH>>>>>the Melvin firing, is brought up. “I just show up everyday”, “there is no quit in me” “have to show tomorrow and get after it”

by Redhawk on May 8, 2009 10:47 PM MDT reply actions  

must be nice

to have a franchise that holds people accountable, like the D-Backs. I guess there’s a reason they have rings and we don’t.

by Narcoleptico on May 8, 2009 10:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

*ring

singular. (yet)

Jim Zorn, 55. Sean Miller, 40. AJ Hinch, 34. Notice a pattern here?

by DbacksSkins on May 8, 2009 11:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

He was asked THE question....

about how’s he’s handling his job security in light of Melvin’s firing. Hurdle said he just focuses on leading the team each day. He actually answered the question as well as he can.

Having said that, Hurdle is now on “official managerial death watch” by the media now. About time.

by GoRoxGo on May 8, 2009 11:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

So much

for going 5-1 or 4-2 these next 2 series….does not look good at all…

6 down....10 to go for a repeat Go Wings!!!

by TuLoRocks2008 on May 8, 2009 11:58 PM MDT reply actions  

The team

has high expectations because they played lights out for three weeks two years ago. Everybody got hot at the same time and had career years). Everyone now knows that was a fluke (as much as it hurts some here, it is what it is). You take that three weeks away and this team is pretty much a 75-80 win team the last three years. Bottom line is they do not have the talent to contend or win consistently. The money to get players who can take them to the next level, and a management philosophy of status quo no matter what. My final salvo here is that I think the Rocks are very poor player evaluators at all levels.

The issue I have been having is that their RISP situation hitting is not only bad it is nearly a statistical` aberration. How can this team continue to hit so poorly with RISP? I mean the laws of chance are better than there performance. This leads you to believe you personnel and scouting deficiencies.

by PinchHitLancePainter on May 9, 2009 9:46 AM MDT reply actions  

Underachievement isn't always due to lack of talent

Many of these players that are struggling with RISP were extremely clutch in Rocktober. If scouting proficiency can’t be cited for their above average play then, I don’t see how scouting deficiency can be cited now. They have talent – it’s just not working.

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on May 9, 2009 10:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm not trying to jump you

or to rag on a team you are too tied too….but

They have talent – it’s just not working

BS. Talent that doesn’t work…isn’t talent. That’s the point. To keep saying this team is talented, is blind optimism (which isn’t bad to have as a fan) but for a front office and managerial team that has to put a team together, it will leave you wondering why the team is on pace to lose 90 games every year. It’s because this team and the players making up the team aren’t any good.

I’m so with PHLP. This organization is a bad evaluator of talent. It also has the double whammy of being bad developers of that talent. And…they don’t care. Fans still show up on nice summer nights, so the team is making money…and that is the #1 and only goal of the organization. Winning baseball, is not on the list of things they care for.

by Redhawk on May 9, 2009 11:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

yea

this team isn’t nearly as talented as people think. Barmes is not a MLB caliber player, let alone a starter. Spilborghs isn’t a starting quality player either, more like a 4th/5th outfielder. Players like Hawpe and Atkins are marginal, replacement level corner outfielder/infielder type players, a dime a dozen. Right now, Ianetta and Fowler are pretty much the two everyday players that could be considered above replacement level. Sure, others have “potential” but I think people are starting to realize that potential is just that, and what we currently have is pretty much as good as it’s going to get. Our best bet is that some of the prospects like Gomez/Gonzales/EYJ pan out and become stars/superstars. Damn, that sounds a lot like the Rockies circa 3-4 years ago.

by Narcoleptico on May 9, 2009 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

Tulo

has to be considered above replacement level, at least for the rest of this year. If we’re at the same place with him in 2010 and his bat still hasn’t done the trick, then we might have something to talk about…

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by oo_nrb on May 9, 2009 2:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

I see where you are coming from

but are you saying Iannetta just isn’t talented, or is he getting a slow start? Tulo isn’t talented because of his slow start, yet he was talented in 2007? Cook and Jimenez are no doubt very talented and some of the best pitchers this organization has seen. They gave proven it in the past.

Your point might apply to Stewart, who has yet to prove anything with great consistency at the big league level. HE may be an overrated talent. This was the organization of the year in 2007 due largely to talent evaluation and talent development. I’ll buy that Atkins’ talent has legitimately gone up in smoke…but are you suggesting Hawpe is less talented than he was two years ago?

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on May 9, 2009 2:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

specific names

yes, I’m saying Iannetta isn’t Brian McCann. I’m saying Tulo is not a .290 hitter as he was in 07. Yes I’m saying Hawpe has declined. I’m saying Barmes (who I actually like) is not a starting 2ndbaseman. I’m saying neither Atkins or Stewart are very good. Jimenez has not put it together for a full season yet. Cook also has had his ups and downs, Cook isn’t a #1 starter…he’s a #3 on most other teams. And of the bullpen, only a couple should be in the major leagues.

And then you look up…and I’ve called out most of the team. Now a good team, won’t have everyone that is a superstar. But this team’s top players aren’t that good, and their marginal players just suck. The total doesn’t add up to being a good team.

There are bad starts sure, but some times slow starts are because they aren’t that good.

.

by Redhawk on May 9, 2009 3:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Actually...
You take that three weeks away and this team is pretty much a 75-80 win team the last three years.

The Rockies are an 80 win team even with that hot three weeks (per my article)…which is probably the most successful three year run we’ve had. We can’t even reach mediocrity over a three year span.

Weak.

Eschew Obfuscation!

by Jeff Aberle on May 9, 2009 1:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

Does anyone know what to make of

The fact that our pitchers gave up 16 hits last night and aside from two home runs, the remaining 14 hits were just singles?

by Resolution on May 9, 2009 10:50 AM MDT reply actions  

Indeed

and yet the current rox (other than Mr. Helton and sometimes Mr. Hawpe) rarely use it to their advantage. Opposing !@$%! teams do a better job.

we are the rowbots...

by WalkInRight on May 9, 2009 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

wouldn't that

just lead to more extra base hits then?

by Resolution on May 9, 2009 3:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

That's why OFers sometimes play deep at Coors

cut off the doubles and hold them to singles.

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on May 9, 2009 6:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

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