Marlins 3, Rockies 1: Josh Johnson better than Jorge de la Rosa's best
by Andrew T. Fisher on May 9, 2009 9:47 PM MDT
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| Record | 11-18 |
| Pyth Rec | 15-14 |
| Pace | 61-101 |
| Last Year | 11-18 |
Jorge de la Rosa's best start of his career wasn't enough to earn his first win. I really want to drive down to Denver and give him a hug. The quiet lefty threw 8 innings, allowing two runs on four hits and a walk, and recorded a career best 12 strikeouts, also a season-high for the Rockies. He had only pitched eight innings once before - April 22, 2007, as a Royal.
That stellar line for de la Rosa (0-3) lowered his ERA to 3.53, his WHIP to 1.21, and his batting average allowed to a startlingly low .206. His 35 K's have him tied with Edinson Volquez for 14th in the NL...yet he doesn't have a win. The Dan Haren (3-3) curse has officially been transferred.
It wasn't enought Saturday evening, as the Rockies (11-18) fell to the Marlins (17-14) at Coors Field. This time, it was Josh Johnson (3-0, 2.34), the most underrated starting pitcher in the league, who got in DLR's way. Johnson scattered 7 singles in giving up one run in 8 innings, walking one and striking out five. He was able to break Todd Helton's hitting streak at eleven and is now 22-11 with a 3.35 ERA in his 4-year career.
Seth Smith, Brad Hawpe, and Troy Tulowitzki each had two singles, none of them well struck. Dexter Fowler singled in the eighth off the bench and scored the only Rockies run on Tulo's second knock. Ian Stewart struck out and Chris Iannetta grounded out against Matt Lindstrom in the ninth, both representing the winning runs.
One of the runs de la Rosa allowed was off of a leadoff triple by Dan Uggla in the fourth, which Ryan Spilborghs failed to catch only because he first broke in on the warning track shot. Hanley Ramirez singled him home, as he continues to eat up Rockie pitching - with two singles, a double, two runs and an RBI.
WPA Heroes:
Josh Johnson (.493) and Matt Lindstrom (.043).
Jorge de la Rosa (.132), Garrett Atkins (.077) despite going 0-for-3, Seth Smith (.066), Dexter Fowler (.054)
WPA Zeroes:
Ian Stewart (-.212) and Todd Helton (-.205)
Notes
The Rockies are now 9.5 games out of first place, the largest deficit of any team in the majors, despite still sporting a positive run differential...
Colorado was in danger of falling to 0-9 in one-run games but was saved by Jason Grilli giving up an RBI single to Cody Ross in the ninth. Instead the Rockies are now 1-11 in games decided by two or less runs.
The Rox dropped to 1-14 when allowing their opponent to score first.
Clint Hurdle used his 26th different lineup in the 29 games. Consistency from the offense should obviously follow from inconsistency.
Forecast
Aaron Cook tries to stave off a home sweep at the hands of what were the "cold fish." Chris Volstad will oppose him at 1:10MDT.
Rowbot Roll Call
Thanks to walkoff59, befizzle, chem, nodakroxfan, holly96, Rockie4Ever, Chrysicat, Redhawk, PioneerSkies, WolfMarauder, MohrPlease, BroJB, JaySantos, coolopotamous, Russ, Charlie77, Purp McGirt, OrangeTorpedo, GoRoxGo, and TehChamp for joining me in misery. 21 people love company. And a special shoutout to JaySantos for joining the Row during the thread.
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The strongest evidence that Johnson owned us tonight:
The best Rockies hitter tonight in terms of WPA was Garrett Atkins…and he went hitless.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on May 9, 2009 10:01 PM MDT reply actions
DLR looks so good too, it's horrible
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I really do want to hug him
I worry his fragile psyche may erupt if he continues to be on his game and getting nothing for it
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 9, 2009 10:12 PM MDT up reply actions
Does he really have a fragile psyche anymore?
It seems to me he’s grown a lot since last season
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by Andrew Martin on May 9, 2009 10:13 PM MDT up reply actions
Maybe you missed seeing all of his last start
After allowing just a single with no one on, he unleashed a bloodcurdling f-bomb on camera that was just muffled by his glove. He has grown, but moments like that suggest it may be just under the surface.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 9, 2009 10:15 PM MDT up reply actions
I guess when I hear fragile psyche
I think Zack Greinke
I think everyone was thinking the Fbomb but DLR was the only one to say it.
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by Andrew Martin on May 9, 2009 10:21 PM MDT up reply actions
You mean the
social anxiety and depression Greinke had years ago?
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Essentially that
But minimize it and make it “One bad start and I can’t keep it together for the next 3”
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by Andrew Martin on May 9, 2009 10:28 PM MDT up reply actions
(I don't mean to make light of Greinke's past conditions at all)
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by Andrew Martin on May 9, 2009 10:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Well definitely not THAT fragile
but he still has a ways before he gets to Cookish composure
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 9, 2009 10:31 PM MDT up reply actions
That was a hard game to watch
I’m really starting to wonder about this team.
By the way, Hurdles two days off strategy for slumping players didn’t work.
Not true!
Atkins had the team’s highest offensive WPA ;-)
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 9, 2009 10:13 PM MDT up reply actions
I was there. It was tough for me too
Except I met a couple of nice ladies who are lurkers on the ’Row and they really really liked my Scorekeeping article :D
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by Andrew Martin on May 9, 2009 10:13 PM MDT up reply actions
You're engaged! Down boy! ;-)
Wasn’t this the game you went to with your lady too?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 9, 2009 10:16 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, she was sitting right next to me
hm…..let me put this nicely….
One of them was saying she’d been keeping score for 30 years and she learned some things from the article.
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by Andrew Martin on May 9, 2009 10:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Okay well played
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 9, 2009 10:31 PM MDT up reply actions
They were very friendly though
and expressed a lot of love for PR
They asked what we did with David Ohno – I told them he’s locked in my basement (no I didn’t)
They mentioned how much they miss Rox Girl’s more regular articles – to which I replied that was why we were brought on board.
They agreed on “Dreamy” over “Doom” or “DestructoBeam” though >:-(
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by Andrew Martin on May 9, 2009 10:35 PM MDT up reply actions
Women would agree to that
I’m hoping to see those Prospect Profile reports RG promised us. David Oh No should come make a cameo appearance at some point. He is why I came here in the first place
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 9, 2009 10:37 PM MDT up reply actions
+1
He’s got some great insight on the game, and I miss his perspective on defense.
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Did they say anything about the weirdo?
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yeah, I apologized
they said they liked me anyway
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by Andrew Martin on May 9, 2009 10:46 PM MDT up reply actions
The chief weirdo, not his subordinate.
Of course, I’m always glossed over, and that’s how I like things.
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seriously if you're referring to yourself
They praised both your writing and RG’s writing.
But as RG had a few more stressful moments and took some breaks and then you guys got us on board, they mentioned her more in a “women caring about women” kind of way.
well, not really, but I can’t find a good way to phrase it. They asked about her wellbeing in that regard.
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by Andrew Martin on May 9, 2009 10:51 PM MDT up reply actions
Russ isn't the weirdo..
He’s referring to Dbackskins. :^P
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they laughed about him
I don’t know why he came up, really, I don’t
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by Andrew Martin on May 9, 2009 11:00 PM MDT up reply actions
Back from the game
spent some time with some old friends and met some interesting people in the know.
If tomorrow is another loss look for:
1. A change in manager. The hunch tells me Baylor will reassume the role. He knows how to manage here and win here. Much better than the three stiffs who succeeded him.
2. Look for Stewart to be send down. His approach is poor and his stance and plate coverage abysmal. He has had like 9 backwards K’s this week.
3. The misplay by Spilborghs was a hot topic. Fowler makes that play and this further highlights that Spilly is a corner outfielder in this park. Look for Fowler to be placed in the lineup everyday with the new regime. Look for a Spilly/Smith LF platoon.
by PinchHitLancePainter on May 9, 2009 10:15 PM MDT reply actions
STEWIE sent down?!?
Oh nonononono…if we do that, then there’s no one to even push Atkins…and he really gags away his season…
I'm not against Stew getting a AAA refresher
And being called up when we’re ready for him to play every day
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by Andrew Martin on May 9, 2009 10:22 PM MDT up reply actions
I doubt anyone saw this
but EY was pimping his son on BBTN during the game (I had to change channels for a while).
I wouldn’t mind seeing Stewie sent down for a few weeks and give EYJ a little look. We need the production more at 2B than 3B now anyway (not that Atkins doesn’t scare me, but Barmes scares me more)
Was this before
or after Buster Olney (I think he said it) asked the elevation of Denver?
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I'm not sure
I flipped over to ESPN only for EY’s pimping and quickly changed it.
But EY did say that his son would be in the bigs soon.
Then the conversation lost credibility when one of the taking heads said EYJ was a 5 tool player.
I hear we play on the moon
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by Andrew Martin on May 9, 2009 10:28 PM MDT up reply actions
Pluto, actually.
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That is just unacceptable
especially from a baseball guru. I think you ate too many hot dogs or something. I refuse to believe Olney could be that ignorant
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 9, 2009 10:33 PM MDT up reply actions
He said
it jokingly after the Spilly play in the OF.
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Maybe. I wasn't paying
too close attention, but I know someone said that.
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As in
he should have known it would carry because of altitude or something? Like…OFers only misread flyballs at Coors, or balls only carry surprisingly in Colorado?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 9, 2009 10:38 PM MDT up reply actions
That ball caught a draft or something
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by Andrew Martin on May 9, 2009 10:39 PM MDT up reply actions
How was the wind there?
Goodman couldn’t seem to figure it out. You think the Uggla ball was fluky wind or Spilly’s fault?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 9, 2009 10:43 PM MDT up reply actions
Breezy as hell
But that ball did NOT look like it was going that deep off of the bat
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by Andrew Martin on May 9, 2009 10:44 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah
Goodman said it didn’t seem even close to as well struck as his first inning flyout
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 9, 2009 10:45 PM MDT up reply actions
IF
Point 1 is accurate, then for the first time in my life, I will root for my favorite team to lose.
As difficult as that would be, if another loss is what it takes to get a shake-up, so be it.
The great thing about baseball is that there's a crisis every day. ~Gabe Paul
You hate Baylor that much huh
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by Andrew Martin on May 9, 2009 10:39 PM MDT up reply actions
To curse him with this team?
I’m assuming you’re kind of kidding.
I wouldn’t necessarily wish the job on my worst enemy, but Baylor’s got some pretty thick skin after all these years. At least I hope so.
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Ok I just misread your post
You’re saying “I want the Rockies to lose so Baylor gets hired”
or
“If Baylor gets hired, I want the Rockies to lose so badly that they really go find someone good”
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by Andrew Martin on May 9, 2009 10:43 PM MDT up reply actions
Looking at my first post
I realize that I should have said “I will root for my favorite team to lose tomorrow.”
I totally get your confusion. Sorry.
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we cool
/fist pound
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by Andrew Martin on May 9, 2009 10:48 PM MDT up reply actions
Fowler
The line about Fowler doesn’t make a lot of sense. Hurdle’s already been playing Fowler more and more—15 of the last 19 games. So…changing is that to 16-19 regardless of how Fowler is doing all that different?
Or, are your “people in the know” saying Hurdle only increased Fowler’s playing time when pressed by someone upstairs?
My 2 cents: I agree with playing Fowler in CF, but Spilly is a pretty good 2nd option if Fowler runs into problems. Spilly hasn’t seemed lost to me, though I have seen a misplay from him in each of the 3 fields so far (tonight’s misread/lost ball, a play in RF he tried to kick stop and misplayed a double into a triple, and a missed shoestring in LF which played a single into a triple).
FWIW, both Fowler and Spilly’s stats in CF have looked pretty good (SSS warning).
Fowler's shown some pretty good RZR stats in CF.
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look at you all over the place with the different defensive metrics
Fowler is actually looking better in UZR than Fowler
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by Andrew Martin on May 9, 2009 11:14 PM MDT up reply actions
What?
I already confused myself by posting Fowler instead of Spilly, what do you mean, “Fowler better than Fowler.”??
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we both fail
I mean UZR likes Spills over Fowler
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by Andrew Martin on May 9, 2009 11:19 PM MDT up reply actions
RZR Comparison:
Looking at the two’s RZR stats in their starts look at Dex’s 09 vs Spilly’s 08:
Fowler .977
Spilly .969
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It really depends
I just stick with UZR, but none of them are really all encompassing.
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by Andrew Martin on May 9, 2009 11:28 PM MDT up reply actions
UZR is pretty good
Too bad the fielding bible’s stuff isn’t readily available. I think those two approaches use the most sophisticated data methods (pbp data and such).
The explanation I’ve read for THT’s RZR stats is that they get them from baseball info solutions, but don’t get all the data that the fielding bible uses. (Probably not as much data on trajectory and such.)
From what I have gathered...
UZR rewards defensive players that are aggressive, while RZR rewards defensive players that play it safer with a higher fielding pct, although the out of zone (OOZ) covers aggressive play as well.
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Explain to me..
What time frame does the UZR runs equal? Is it a game, a week?? I understand UZR/150 because that’s pretty obvious.
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it's a counting stat
So it’s YTD
It’s like RBIs or whatever
If I have a UZR of 20 that means up to that point in the season, I have prevented 20 runs at that position
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by Andrew Martin on May 9, 2009 11:32 PM MDT up reply actions
You uttered RBI? ewww..
Thanks for the explanation!
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coming from Mr. Pitching Wins
this is just ironic as hell!
seriously it’s good to have you on board with defensive metrics
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by Andrew Martin on May 9, 2009 11:36 PM MDT up reply actions
Dude..
Defense is my thing. I’ve been on-board with RZR for awhile now, but I’m slowly starting to come around to UZR. I like how quantifiable runs are.
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Thing is
this is one of the things that I’m not ready to just say “ok this is how it is”
I think it’s pretty much well accepted that there’s a lot of defense that’s anecdotal, but they’re doing a good job of getting a defensive metric to be a solid indicator, what with range, errors, and arm/doubleplay abilities.
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by Andrew Martin on May 9, 2009 11:51 PM MDT up reply actions
Defense is still too ambiguous to fully quantify...
That being said, I like how RZR uses a consistent formula applied to each position in an attempt to quantify.
Here is a link to how RZR is calculated.
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It's runs above average, right?
Based on the lwtsof the plays in question.
Not sure about Charlie77’s pt about UZR and aggressiveness, since I don’t know much about RZR.
yeah
UZR is runs above average
RZR is just meant to be like fielding percentage but effective and actually tells you something
I think. THT hasn’t told me too much, but I haven’t read much into it either.
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by Andrew Martin on May 9, 2009 11:37 PM MDT up reply actions
RZR..
Is the percentage of plays made within the players zone. It’s consistent which is why a fleet-footed player like Dex can score 1.000 in 08.
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which means...
to me at least, that Spilly is an acceptable guy should Fowler not work out. I think we can all agree that he’s a better option than a Willy type.
In the article in this morning's (Sunday) post, O'Dowd gave Hurdle
the dreaded Vote of Confidence. Please lets have a change.
Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for too many men on the field?
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3) You don’t know that Fowler would have made that play. It’s not fair to play “what if” games. We don’t know what would have happened if Dexter was in there, so that’s not really fair to Spilly. I think Spilly is a fine center fielder and that play would have been deceptively difficult to make.
2) I agree with a lot of people on this board who say that one of the roles of manager is to make sure that the players are confident every day they go out and play. If you look at Stewart’s 1st AB especially, he was just staring down the baseball the whole way. This tells me that he doesn’t have a whole lot of confidence right now, so part of that is on Hurdle’s shoulders for not putting him in the right situations and not playing him enough when he did have a hot bat. Baylor needs to help Stewart become more proactive in his at bats.
That being said, I don’t know that a managerial switch is the answer. I think that Hurdle has done a good job in the past, and I don’t know why he is doing all the crazy stuff he is doing this season. One of the announcers last night said this was his 26th different lineup in 29 games. That’s bad. That needs to stop, but I actually don’t want Hurdle to be fired right now. Everyone is only human, including the players and management, and I know they’ve all done things that they regret. But you can’t blame Hurdle for the fact that the team is just playing badly. (….waits for all the HurdleHaters to finish throwing shoes my way)
I'm not throwing shoes
But when has Hurdle done a good job? Catching fire and winning throughout September is not MANAGER DOES GUD JAWB despite what the newspapers may say (note: I’m not accusing you of making this claim).
My perpetual complaint re: Hurdle has been is inability to properly manage a major league pitching staff. He seems to be completely inconsistent between Pitch-Count management and Pitching based on how the Pitcher feels. He doesn’t know how to properly leverage bullpen pitchers and when NOT to put Matt Belisle/Tom Martin/Scott Dohmann into the game.
I’ll happily concede that it’s a problem that many MLB managers have, but that doesn’t mean it’s ok for us to put up with the same problems. It’s time to get someone smart in who knows what he’s doing.
My concern is that the team has outgrown Hurdle, and we’re not growing any further with him at the helm.
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by Andrew Martin on May 10, 2009 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions
This game ended with a loud
FFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding! HOW can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?!
Another topic
I sat with about 10 scouts tonite. A Baylor regime would pull the trigger on that move. Baylor for all his faults, knew the value of speed. He will put his stamp immediately on this team. You will see aggressiveness on the bases, at the plate. And a quick trigger with the pen.
Anyone that doesn’t think Atkins has been delivered a message is sorely mistaken.
by PinchHitLancePainter on May 9, 2009 10:26 PM MDT reply actions
Hurdle is running everyone at the stupidest times though
What more aggression on the basepaths do we need? We’re making average catchers look like Johnny Bench.
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by Andrew Martin on May 9, 2009 10:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Dude, we have a 72% success rate
That’s not bad.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 9, 2009 10:35 PM MDT up reply actions
How much of that is Dex and how much is everyone Not Dex
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by Andrew Martin on May 9, 2009 10:36 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm not sure how being more aggressive will help
w/out anyone on base and w/out any speed.
I could see it if we start making wholesale changes to the roster, like calling up EYJ and Gonzalez.
It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.
It's not that we aren't getting anyone on base
It’s the fact that when we do get on base, our bats suddenly turn off.
+ a heavy 1
yesterday was infuriating
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by Andrew Martin on May 9, 2009 10:39 PM MDT up reply actions
I guess you guys are right
they are 8th in the NL in OBP, so I was wrong on that, I thought they were much lower than that. So they are middle of the pack. I’m still not sure we have enough speed on the team to make being aggressive an option.
It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.
well we need smart baserunning
I don’t know what we’re doing wrong, I don’t think Hill is that bad at reading spots
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by Andrew Martin on May 9, 2009 10:49 PM MDT up reply actions
I think its hard to hit an run a lot as well
because we have too many guys that just don’t control the bat well. We have a lot of K’s.
And I think 3B is starting to become a major issue, neither Atkins or Stewie look capable of getting anything done. What options do we have?
I do like the fact that Tulo seems to be coming around.
It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.
I'm not sure.
I know that I would much prefer to start Stewie every game. But It’s hard to find a place for Atkins. I think with a defined role, Stewie might be better.
I actually agree w/ this
I would like to see Stewie given the job and see what happens.
It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.
I also agree
But he’s sucking so bad, I feel like he’s trying to hit a 5 run homer every game so he can earn his spot
Send him down, let him cool things down, get good again, and when we’re ready to start him full time, we call him back up.
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by Andrew Martin on May 9, 2009 11:01 PM MDT up reply actions
I guess
But your sort of putting the problem off, not really fixing it. They can’t trade Atkins, and probably won’t bench him. If we send Stewie down now, I’m not sure if we will see him again. Of course with Barmes quickly turning into nothing, they may change.
One option we do have the the ever helpfull...
Phantom injury. Maybe a month on the DL will help Atkins figure out why he can’t hit. The time will also be used to get a clear evaluation of where Stewie is, which I feel we haven’t had the chance to do yet. It would probably make the team better.
Somebody club his knee with a bat
throw a rosin bag in his face!
file his thumbs into a blister while he sleeps!
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 9, 2009 11:19 PM MDT up reply actions
But it's not like we are not scoring runs
We are 7th in the NL in that regard. We just can’t seem to put together our hitting and pitching. One will show up one day, and the other will take the day off.
Well we've mentioned this too
We win big and lose small
Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies
by Andrew Martin on May 9, 2009 11:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Speaking of losing small
AJ Hinch has now lost all three games of his managerial career…by one run in each
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on May 9, 2009 11:05 PM MDT up reply actions
I think the lose small..
Has more to do with poor defensive starters than anything else. UZR shows that a change of two or three guys would improve the Rockies by 3-6 runs.
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I guess now we're back to
The run prevented vs the run scored
Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies
by Andrew Martin on May 9, 2009 11:13 PM MDT up reply actions
I think benching Atkins..
would help the Rockies runs prevented AND runs scored.
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I'd be all for it, but Stew has been terrible too
He has the lowest WPA on the entire team. Okay…that’s a pretty phantom stat, but still, he’s been struggling a great deal.
When both are on their game, Stewart gives us a better chance to win
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 9, 2009 11:22 PM MDT up reply actions
BeefStew has been...
High risk, high reward with the low average and high slg pct this year. I think he can get it turned around, but he needs some time.
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Non-Dexters are 67%
which is, I believe, at the break even point of strategy, generally speaking. I’m okay with that, given the players we have at our disposal to steal bags.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on May 9, 2009 10:41 PM MDT up reply actions
He is going to put two rabbits at the top of the order
and make teams throw FBs to our meat. You will see more hit and runs more double steals. Baylor believes in putting pressure on defense, disrupting the pitchers, and creating havoc.
by PinchHitLancePainter on May 9, 2009 10:36 PM MDT up reply actions
Ah right
So how do you feel that all of our catchers and slow dudes are getting sent regularly?
Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies
by Andrew Martin on May 9, 2009 10:37 PM MDT up reply actions
HA
Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies
by Andrew Martin on May 9, 2009 10:37 PM MDT up reply actions
He would have been standing 20 feet from second when Hanley got the throw
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 9, 2009 10:41 PM MDT up reply actions
well yeah
but the purse thing was hilarious
Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies
by Andrew Martin on May 9, 2009 10:42 PM MDT up reply actions
why no
Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies
by Andrew Martin on May 9, 2009 10:44 PM MDT up reply actions
wah wah wahhhhh
Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies
by Andrew Martin on May 9, 2009 10:46 PM MDT up reply actions
I could definitely see the scenario
it fits
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on May 9, 2009 10:44 PM MDT up reply actions
ugh this team is garbage and man i'm glad
i basically have missed this whole series so far…i will be watching tomorrow though…hopefully they play better….probably not though.
6 down....10 to go for a repeat Go Wings!!!
You chose an odd spot to cleave your sentence from title to body
your first line makes me want to smack you
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 9, 2009 10:36 PM MDT up reply actions
I love cleavage
witness Ms PHLP 44DDs
by PinchHitLancePainter on May 9, 2009 10:37 PM MDT up reply actions
whoah ho ho
Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies
by Andrew Martin on May 9, 2009 10:38 PM MDT up reply actions
didn't even realize how
it looked until you mentioned it lol
6 down....10 to go for a repeat Go Wings!!!
by TuLoRocks2008 on May 9, 2009 10:38 PM MDT up reply actions
this team frustrates
me so much i did not bother to look
6 down....10 to go for a repeat Go Wings!!!
by TuLoRocks2008 on May 9, 2009 10:42 PM MDT up reply actions
i wonder what their record is for games without overthrow threads.
just as a random fun fact
if you're reading this, it means my undying support for your team will result in its failure.
This game wrap
is on pace to have more comments than the game thread.
"DAMMIT! No, calm down. Learn to enjoy losing." --Hunter S. Thompson
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"DAMMIT! No, calm down. Learn to enjoy losing." --Hunter S. Thompson
by PioneerSkies on May 9, 2009 11:23 PM MDT up reply actions
Game 3 on the season had 136 comments
so this isn’t a record wrap
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 9, 2009 11:26 PM MDT up reply actions
Yet
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on May 9, 2009 11:26 PM MDT up reply actions
The game was in Arizona...
So how many of those comments belonged to DBS?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 10, 2009 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions
This team is way too comfortable with losing.
Somebody needs to get up and start throwing some chairs, issue a profanity-laced tirade, call out another player, etc…
Somebody do something. Anything.
Hurdle must go and be replaced with somebody who will not coddle these players. More tough love, less empathy for players not producing in the name of a ‘maturity process’ or whatever line Hurdle comes up with on a particular day.
The team has had its faced kicked in the dirt enough. The only guy who seems to have missed out on the apathy kool-aid when it was being passed around is Marquis. Everyone else is on Ritalin.
What we need is a good old bench clearing brawl with an NL West opponent. My vote is the Dodgers (although i’ll take AZ). Insert Belisle as the starter and give him strict instructions to groove 4-seamers for strikes right down the middle. After he’s plunked his third guy (after walking a few) somebody is bound to charge the mound and then baby it be on. A great constructive way to let out some frustration and nervous energy.
But i digress…
We need someone who can start picking up the bases and throwing them around (a la Lou Piniella). If it worked for the Cubbies…
Joe Mikulik?
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on May 10, 2009 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions
This
Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies
by Andrew Martin on May 10, 2009 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions
Even after today's win,
I’d be really really for having him come in for a game, throw a few bats around for a while, and storm off again. At the very least it would drive attendance #s up, right?
But my favorite episode of “managers gone completely batsh*t crazy” has to be philip wellman.
The Experts Last Night
told me they look for the Rocks to demote Stewart, bench Atkins, and promote Young and another hot Sky Sox bat. (Choose between Cargo, Perez, Ortmeier, McCoy). They also felt that Q could be a DFA with this activity. There is also talk that if Hammels has another bad start that Hirsch will be recalled, Belilse sent down. Hammel pushed to the long relief role.
by PinchHitLancePainter on May 10, 2009 9:42 AM MDT reply actions
The "Experts" being these scouts?
Matt Murton status: Freed
Garrett Atkins status: Not Traded
Clint Hurdle status: Still Employed by the Rockies
by Andrew Martin on May 10, 2009 2:00 PM MDT up reply actions
Walks
Another one walk game. We’re pitching but not hitting or we’re hitting and not pitching.
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives."
Jackie Robinson
RISP
Friday night, the Rox put a runner on second with none out. None or reached third or scored either. How does that happen?
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Jackie Robinson
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