Stark's Rumblings and Grumblings: Spilly, Street, and more
In his column, Jayson Stark mentions a number of Rockies, including Spilborghs, Street, Hawpe, and Marquis.
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Marquis
“An executive of one club wonders why the Rockies would even want to trade a pitcher like Marquis. ‘If you have a guy in Colorado who isn’t fazed by pitching at Coors and he’s having success at Coors, don’t you have to keep him?’”
Sure, maybe. I wonder if the Rockies have the budget, though.
It’s also worth noting Marquis has an ERA of 5.34 at home, 3.10 away, so the exec might not be looking at the stat sheet too closely.
Only 5 of his 12 starts have come at Coors
Three of those were fantastic starts, allowing just 5 runs in 22.1 IP, and two of those opponents were PHI and LAD, very good offenses. His home ERA is skewed by one terrible start and one just bad one. He has a history of pitching well at Coors, and it didn’t seem as if those two bad starts were Coors related.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 12, 2009 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions
Marquis at Coors
I didn’t really mean to argue one way or other, just to note that there appeared to be little thought behind that quote.
At this point, the only player that seems worth trading (albeit at the deadline) is Hawpe
What are we wanting from the trades, mostly? Good pitching, right? People that can pitch at Coors? So, the point of trading good pitchers (Street, Marquis) to get good pitchers is… yeah, there is none.
And, yes, Marquis isn’t exactly the greatest pitcher at home. With Coors, is anyone, really? Yes, yes, ok, so I know there’s the humidor and all, and the home stats really aren’t as jacked up from the thin air as everyone says, but it’s still a major hitters’ park. There’s no getting around that. But do we want to take the risk on someone who we can’t be quite sure is Coors-capable?
Maybe we wouldn’t be trying to get pitching. I don’t quite see another huge gap at this point, though. It just seems a bit pointless. Especially if we continue to play this well.
The problem is that Marquis is making $9.875 million this year...
and yes, we’re only paying him $9 million (with the Cubs paying Vizcaino’s $4.5 million, but it’s still a sunk cost), but that’s a lot of money for a pitcher that, given his success this year, could command a hefty salary next year. That’s why it may be better to get someone that is cost-controlled back for him at the deadline.
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Trades
I think you trade players if you think the value coming back works. Doesn’t matter if they’re pitchers or hitters, though as Jabberwocky mentions, cost is an issue, and that definitely factors into deals involving pitchers. (Actually, that appears to be a huge factor in all deals, which makes it less likely for O’Dowd to be bowled over by offers for guys like Street and Hawpe.) If the Rockies were to fall back in the race and get offered an interesting position player prospect near the deadline, they might make the deal.
Potential Trades
Perhaps I’m the only one who’s miffed by the “trade Hawpe” nonsense. It doesn’t make any sense to me. Sure, if you don’t think that this team is only one or two pieces away (which is a theory that I happen to subscribe to) then it may make sense to trade Hawpe. However, trading established All-Stars just because they’re the only “sure-thing” on your roster that isn’t “untouchable” is what makes losing franchises remain losing franchises, in my opinion. If you get good players, especially ones that want to stay long-term by all accounts, keep them.
A package of Spilly and Atkins could net a starting pitcher. It wouldn’t be a #1 by any means, but do the Rockies need a #1 in return? A #4 starter, which that package would command, would be plenty. Look at it this way. The Rockies are starting to play well. Assuming this isn’t a fluke, you have to consider two things with the pitching. First, with the starters – de la Rosa and Jimenez have a history of turning it on in the 2nd half. Who knows with Marquis, but he tends to fade. Cook is up and down, but more up. One more pitcher could give you 3 sure things and 2 wild cards. Second, the bullpen – Embree is experienced in playoff runs. Corpas has been nails in the 2nd half each of the last two years. I wouldn’t be so quick to trade big guns just because you can.
"Horton is win."
--Horvil Tiki
No, as the driver of the "Trade Hawpe" bandwagon...
I’m saying that we can get comparable production in RF for 1/10 the cost. The Monforts like the sound of that…ergo, it’s a distinctive possibility.
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