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Early returns are in: Tracy >>>>> Hurdle!



Jim Tracy is night-and-day from Clint Hurdle. Not saying he's a great manager or even average. However, he's clearly the best manager the ROCKIES have ever had (which is a low "hurdle", no pun intended). Last night's game was won totally because of Tracy. He did things that Hurdle would never think of.  Some examples follow....

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1. Behind 4-3 in the 6th inning with runners on 1st and 2nd, he left Jimenez in the game to hit for himself. Hurdle would have pinch-hit him. Instead of having Ubaldo try to bunt the runners to 2nd and 3rd, as the bunt-happy Hurdle would have done, Tracy faked a bunt and had Jimenez instead try a slug-bunt, which was perfectly executed and hit past the drawn in 1st baseman into right field for a game-tying single.

2. Then, with runners on 1st and 3rd, Tracy had Dexter Fowler lay down a suicide squeeze bunt. Now, Clint bunted with frequency unseen in MLB in this era (led MLB in bunt attempts or was #2 every season he was here), but he almost never tried a squeeze play for some reason. Tracy did it and succeeded, with Ian Stewart scoring from 3rd base in a close play. His slide into homeplate would have made Larry Walker proud.

3. With a 6-4 lead heading into the 9th inning and only Manny Corpas available to close (Street had saves the last four consecutive days and was unavailable), Tracy leaves Jimenez in the game to try for the CG. That's right. He hadn't even taken Ubaldo out after 7 innings even though he was at 104 pitches through 7! Think Clint would ever have thought of that? Jimenez gets the 1st out on a line drive to Hawpe. The second batter walks on a 3-2 pitch that was almost thrown to the backstop (high and away). Here comes Tracy to the mound with Corpas still warming up in the 'pen. Everyone assumed that he had called on Manny at that point. Instead, Tracy asks Ubaldo to be honest with him and tell him if he has gas left in the tank! He told his manager "yes", and Tracy believes him and leaves him in. Jimenez gets the final two outs of the inning and gets the CG win. HUGE confidence boost for Jimenez and the team thanks to Tracy's belief in his player. Yes, he threw 127 pitches (a career high for Ubaldo), but he has an extra day off before his next start and should be fine.

Clint would have never had the desire to do that, and I never saw him do that (as a matter of fact) in 7 years of managing here with any starting pitcher.

I should point out one other thing. The REASON we had Huston Street able to come into 4 straight games for the 4 saves was because Tracy didn't waste him for an appearance in last Sunday's game, a blowout victory in St. Louis. You see, Street hadn't pitched since the prior Tuesday, and Hurdle had a policy that relievers get into games "to get work" and "stay sharp" if they haven't pitched in over 3 days. Tracy obviously doesn't believe in that silly rule, and so he used Corpas in the 9th inning of last Sunday's victory instead of wasting Street when he might be needed the next day for a save. In fact, this wise decision allowed Tracy to use Street the next four days!

Yeah, it's a small sample at only 15 games, and I know reports on Tracy were mediocre at best from what I read when he was picked to replace Hurdle. But, there's no doubt in my mind that I like him better than Clint, Buddy Bell, Leyland, or Baylor as an in-game manager from the bench. He's pushing all the right buttons now, is 11-4, and has won 9 in a row. After that horrendous start, the Rox are 29-32 and only 3 1/2 out in the wild-card standings. The Rox this season have gone from almost unwatchable under Hurdle to entertaining in the span of 2 weeks! 

The confidence level of the players indivdually, and the team collectively, has skyrocketed.  WInning baseball IS confidence (as Yogi said, the game is "90% half-mental"), and a manager's #1 job is to instil confidence in his players and get them to produce.  Tracy has done that in short order.   Amazing.

Eat. Drink. Be Merry. But the above FanPost does not necessarily reflect the attitudes, opinions, or views of Purple Row's staff (unless, of course, it's written by the staff [and even then, it still might not]).

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Can we let it go with Clint Hurdle?

Look, Hurdle’s gone, it’s water under the bridge, the managerial change was necessary, let move on. The whole tone of this rant is to extol Jim Tracy at the expense of demonizing Clint Hurdle, something that Tracy himself would abhor.

Remember it was Clint Hurdle who personally invited Tracy to come to the Colorado staff in the off-season. The difference between them is far from night and day; they’re both similar character types. To say that Jim Tracy is “clearly the best manager the Rockies have ever had” is absurd—far too early to judge. This reeks of an emotional, reactionary response by a star-struck fan to one game’s decisions last night.

I prefer to focus on the winning streak and the success of the players after much hard work (alot under Hurdle, including the foundation of spring training coming to light). And let us not forget that Dan O’Dowd is still the same guy overseeing this entire operation—has he now gone from a moron to be ousted to the greatest GM the Rockies have ever had?

by DeepPurple on Jun 13, 2009 11:40 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not "demonizing" anyone....

and take offense to your suggestion of such. I am making a baseball commentary that has everything to do with managerial baseball decisions and the job of a manager in getting his players to actually produce and play with confidence.

Sure, it’s “reactionary” in the sense that this comment was written 15 games into Tracy’s time here as manager I already acknowledged in the post that this is a small sample size. Still, I think it’s worth pointing out some of the gutsy moves this new manager has already made during ballgames that I never saw coming from the dugout when Clint Hurdle managed.

I liked Hurdle as a human being and give him props for bringing in his future successor in the offseason, but the evidence is strong that he was a well-below average tactician from the bench and, in the end, couldn’t inspire his players to get the most out of them. Tracy being inserted as manager has been like a cloud lifting from over the players, and this is seen in the confidence level and the way that they’ve been playing. Eight straight wins on the road against good teams? Are you KIDDING me?!?? That’s what any fan would have said as nobody saw this coming.

So why don’t you “let it go” with regard to me, DeepPurple? You don’t like me, don’t care for my opinions, and want to attack me at every chance. This reflects more on you as a person than on me as a Rockies fan. So stop the “bad blood” between us, and let’s get on with enjoying the “new” Rockies. Ok?

by GoRoxGo on Jun 13, 2009 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Comparing Tracy to Hurdle, and any other Rockies managers/baseball managers/etc. is necessay to properly contextualize Tracy's skillset, relationsip with the team, and managerial success.

Otherwise, the analysis is flawed. “Water under the bridge” is not acceptable here. Hurdle is a part of Rockies history and will be an element in placing contextual weight on what happens from here on out.

by WolfMarauder on Jun 13, 2009 3:48 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like this

I agree. Little things adding up to make big differences are the key to managing. And then the big things too, like Stewie. I’m glad this is working out.

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by fantasyfencing on Jun 13, 2009 12:15 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

The slug bunt is a vintage Hurdle play

In fact, if you read today’s Post, you’ll see that the slug bunt is an automatic play that gets put on against the wheel play – which Hurdle installed back in spring training. I still liked to see it, but Tracy doesn’t get the credit for that one.

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by Franchise26 on Jun 13, 2009 12:27 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Ok, I'll give you that....

but slug bunts are plays that many managers work on in Spring Training. It’s not true that it’s something Hurdle has solely patented. Also, while Hurdle may have had players work hard on the slug bunt plays over many hours on Field 5 in Tucson, they never executed it under him. The bottom line is that Jimenez executed that slug bunt, and he would never have been in position to do so if Tracy had lifted him for a pinch hitter, who most likely would have failed and then the game would have been turned to the bullpen.

We don’t win last night without Tracy’s many prescient decisions. We don’t win that game if Hurdle had been calling the shots instead. That’s the bottom line about last night, but the greater comment about what Tracy has done so far for this team stands, whether or not we won last night. I just used it as a glaring example of the differences between these two managers.

by GoRoxGo on Jun 13, 2009 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is exactly the thing that makes your point unjustified

you just talked about execution on the slug bunt. Execution has to do w/ the players not the managers. As mentioned the slug bunt has nothing to do w/ Tracy. To me the team is just executing better and playing better and a lot of that has to do w/ the pressure being off w/ Hurdle gone and the players no longer on edge. There are a few changes and I liked the suicide squeeze call, but overall I don’t think thats the reason for winning. And I agree w/ DeepPurple, why kick a man after he already lost his job, lets just enjoy the team now.

As far as giving him credit for Stew, we should be careful on that. He had Atkins hitting 4th and mentioned Atkins being essential for the lineup to be successful, and then Stew got a start hit a couple HR’s and the rest is history. Anyone w/ any brain wouldn’t take someone out after 2 HR’s and he just kept it going. If Stew was hitting like that w/ Hurdle he would have been playing everyday too.

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by smokinRox on Jun 13, 2009 3:25 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tracy may have made some good decisions last night that helped us win

but I don’t think you can with any certainty say we wouldn’t have won if Hurdle had been on the bench instead. Would he have made the same exact decisions as Tracy? Probably not. But would his decisions have automatically failed? We have no way to know.

by holly96 on Jun 13, 2009 4:51 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think I remember reading

that Ubaldo pulled the slug bunt by himself anyway. Credit here goes to Ubaldo!

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by jrockies on Jun 13, 2009 1:05 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oops, yes.

I should have finished reading before I replied. See below.

by holly96 on Jun 13, 2009 4:48 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jeepers!

Hope I haven’t incurred any bad blood with any fellow rowmates. What keeps me comming back to PR is the congeniality and camaraderie among the members here. I see the common ground as we all opine about what’s working & what’s not with oyr favorite team. As I read the posts, threads, game wraps, & analysis I find myself agree with much & disagreeing with some – either way I always appreciate the viewpoints whether I agree with them or not. Regarding Tracy, count me among the star-struck (for now – once they drop 4 in a row, I’ll likely have an amnesic response about the reasons for appointing him skipper; such is the right of the fan)

by TulsaDriller on Jun 13, 2009 1:27 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Hindsight bias yo

The Rockies need some oldschool purple/white striped high socks. The team’s problem is it’s lack of swagger. I feel strongly that these socks will provide the swagger necessary to tap the potential that are the Rockies.

by Resolution on Jun 13, 2009 2:59 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

While I agree

that Tracy’s decisions last night helped us win in the end, we shouldn’t forget that it could’ve easily gone the other way. Stew could’ve been called out at the plate and Tracy would’ve looked like the village idiot. Same thing with Uball – he could’ve absolutely exploded in the 9th (he was looking close to it anyway – two of those four balls to Jr. were aimed at the broadcast booth) and if he would’ve we would’ve been lamenting Tracy as the worst manager since Hurdle.

I agree that Tracy’s instilled some serious confidence in these boys, but let’s not forget that it could’ve easily gone the other way. The Rockies had some serious luck bounce their way last night, in my opinion. Not too many umpires will call Stewart safe on a play as close as that.

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by oo_nrb on Jun 13, 2009 3:10 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

It's about the decision, less about the outcome

True. Both decisions (the suicide squeeze and leaving Ubaldo out there too long) could have easily gone the other way and bit them badly. But more to the point: I really like the aggressiveness and confidence Jim Tracy is bringing to the clubhouse. Sure, they’re going to make mistakes and fail to execute sometimes. But I like the fact that he’s willing to give them the chance to execute in the first place. I was (and am) a fan of Hurdle as some of you still, but over the last seven years of watching him, I don’t see him calling the squeeze or leaving Ubaldo out there. That’s not necessarily a knock against Hurdle – it’s just a different approach. And frankly, I the team is responding to it.

We’ll have more data points in 3 months to tell us if he’s really the right man for the job, especially when the Rox come back down to earth (and they will) and face adversity again. If they revert back to the Rox of April/May, then obviously he’s not the right guy. If they stay competitive and at least give themselves a chance to win most of their games (even the best teams get blown out from time to time – with their aces – to wit: J. Santana yesterday), and stay close for a wildcard spot, then I say you have to give him at least a year.

It may be too soon to tell, but I like what I see so far. Better to go down swinging than to not take the risk in the first place.

by SoxRoxFan on Jun 15, 2009 5:51 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think criticizing decisions needs to stop because that person is removed

The impact of those decisions certainly doesn’t evaporate. Hurdle, and everyone on a stage like this, remains forever accountable for everything they do.

I also don’t think there’s anything wrong with excitement about changed methods that seems to be working.

Certainly it could’ve gone the other way, and I don’t agree with everything here about Tracy (some is too early to tell), but Hurdle is as fair game as he ever was.

Besides, WolfMarauder is exactly right in saying Hurdle is the background to which any success must be measured for proper context. A 6-4 game with some good calls and lucky breaks just doesn’t have the same (and correct) meaning otherwise.

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by Bryce on Jun 13, 2009 5:00 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I used last night's game as "Exhibit A" in an overarching theme,....

that theme being that Jim Tracy has pushed some buttons and done some other things that seem to be having an effect in terms of instilling confidence and eliciting production from his players. These tactics, psychological strategies, or whatever you want to term them, appear to be unique to Tracy and are having an impact…..though I agree it IS early.

Whether or not last night’s moves “worked out” is besides the point. They did, but even if they hadn’t, I admire Tracy’s efforts to show confidence and belief in his players. Leaving Ubaldo in for the 7th, 8th, and 9th innings were each gutsy calls. Going to the mound after the wild fourth ball to ask Ubaldo if he still had gas in the tank, rather than just automatically signal for Corpas, was sheer genius. Even if it didn’t work out, it sent the message to Jimenez that his manager considers him a workhorse stud, and believes in him. Trust from a manager goes a long ways toward injecting confidence, not just with Ubaldo, but also with a variety of teammates who noticed how the manager stuck with a guy who he could have given up on at any of those late points in the ballgame. Players see that and think, “If I bust my butt, maybe my manager will reward me with that trust too.” This is NOT how things went during the Hurdle regime. That’s all my major point was meant to convey. I’m sorry if I’ve angered anyone by bringing up the old Hurdle era after the fact, but I wanted to relate what’s happening now to what was happening earlier.

by GoRoxGo on Jun 13, 2009 6:19 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

If anything the Ubaldo decision is one I'm not sure I agree w/

I don’t like throwing a young guy that many pitches, especially a flame thrower. I know Dusty was villianized for wearing out arms, and now we are praising Tracy for letting him throw 127 pitches.

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by smokinRox on Jun 13, 2009 8:36 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

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