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Thursday Rockpile: Signing Tyler Matzek still looking iffy; Torrealba and Baker recovering

Big media in big media markets tend to take an aggressive approach when it comes to smaller markets stepping on their turf, such is the case with this LA Times story on Tyler Matzek. From the aggressive first line acting as if the Rockies are out of their league in approaching the pitcher:

If the Colorado Rockies think the pressure of negotiating a signing bonus might rattle Tyler Matzek, then they obviously didn't watch him compete in the Southern Section baseball playoffs.

to the end of the story, there's not much to recommend here. In the end, Matzek will get professional money from the Rockies if he wants to be a professional, he'll get his amateur money (read nothing, well, hopefully nothing) if he acts like an amateur. Right now, it's hard to say. It seems he might be leaning toward Oregon, but who knows if that's a front or not. The Rockies would be wise not to sign him if he's sticking to $7 million. Matzek's not Rick Porcello, so there's no need to give him that kind of money, but at the same time, the Rockies would be foolish not to offer him something substantial nonetheless.

High praise for upwardly Mobile pitcher Jimenez - The Denver Post

Ubaldo Jimenez gets praised by Randy Johnson and feels honored.

The notes column from the Denver Post also includes the item that Patrick Saunders originally blogged about yesterday, that Yorvit Torrealba's not ready to return to action yet:


Yorvit Torrealba

#8 / Catcher / Colorado Rockies

5-11

200

R

R

Jul 19, 1978


Torrealba needs time to get in shape : All Things Rockies

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Rockies defeat Tampa Bay Rays, 5-3 - The Denver Post

One streak's over, now the real question is whether the Rockies continue their winning way now that they know it's possible for them to lose every now and then. As Ken Rosenthal notes in one of the links below this one, we might not know everything until the team comletes its next road trip, a West Coast swing that includes series against the Dodgers and Angels. First on the docket, of course, is completing a winning homestand, and that means beating the Rays for this series tonight.

 

Inside the Colorado Rockies " Quick hits: Iannetta’s bat returns 


Jeff Baker

#10 / Second Base / Colorado Rockies

6-2

210

R

R

Jun 21, 1981

 

Inside the Colorado Rockies " Baker Ready for Rehab -

Jeff Baker, who's become somewhat the forgotten man on the roster for the Rockies, is ready for his rehab assignment. There's going to be a roster crunch when he's ready to return in a week or so, and it's not entirely clear what direction the club will go at that point. Dexter Fowler and Carlos Gonzalez haven't hit that well at the MLB level thus far, and optioning either of them back to Colorado Springs would seem to be the easiest call, but the lessons both need to advance (hitting MLB level breaking pitches) seemingly won't be learned at AAA, making the dilemma a little more complex.

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MLB - - FOX Sports on MSN - Ken Rosenthal suggests that he still believes that the Rockies aren't contending and sees Jason Marquis and Huston Street as prime targets, with one GM suggesting that the Rockies could get more for Street than the A's get for dealing Matt Holliday.

Shawn Chacon Signs With Athletics: MLB Rumors - MLBTradeRumors.com - MLBTradeRumors says that Shawn Chacon has signed a minor league deal with the A's.

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He’s got a .350 OBP out of the leadoff spot – that’s good enough for me. I’d like to see him improve his basestealing, but why risk running into an out in front of Barmes, Helton and Hawpe at this point? Besides, I don’t care what the fielding numbers say, my eyes tell me he’s as good a defensive center fielder as there is in the National League (I have an intense distrust for any fielding metrics, so get that weak stuff outta here). Sending Fowler down would be 31 flavors of stupid, if you ask me. Now Gonzalez, on the other hand… he’s got to get back to the approach he was using down at AAA because he is hacking at everything lately. I still like the defensive upgrade he’s bringing in left, though, so I think he’s worth keeping around, too.

Really, I think the proverbial ducks are in a row for this team now… and they are who we thought they were! If you want to crown them Wild Card contenders, then crown their ass… because they are who we thought they were!

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by Franchise26 on Jun 18, 2009 9:27 AM MDT reply actions  

problem with Gonzalez

is that he’s destroying AAA, he’s not going to improve there.

I don’t 100% trust fielding metrics either, so I’m not gonna contest Dex’s fielding evaluations by anyone or anything. They’re just kind of the best thing we have to work with right now, so we use them.

The .350 OBP is pretty good. I don’t know what else to do with Dex outside of a lot of cage time or something.

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 18, 2009 9:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

sending either of these guys down for baker

would be asinine. Nothing against Baker, but he ain’t part of what’s going on, or what will go on.

by Teekalong on Jun 18, 2009 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

Exactly, we'd trade Spilly to keep those two, but we'd put Baker back on and send one of them down?

I know Baker’s supposed to be this huge utility guy and all, but that move would still earn the biggest facepalm in the history of ever.

by Rockie4Ever on Jun 18, 2009 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

CarGo needs to be told

that he’s made the team, so sit back, relax, and quit worrying about proving to everyone that you belong. Once he quits pressing, he’ll start hitting.

by rockieprogress on Jun 18, 2009 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

I can get on board this

I was about to say “TELL TULO TOO LOL” but then I realized he’s OPSing .838 over his past 22 games

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 18, 2009 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

You forgot the high praise from RMN

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 18, 2009 9:30 AM MDT reply actions  

From Rosenthal

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9696306/Returning-stars-may-halt-plans-to-sell

Street might command more than Holliday in trade, should they go that route.

He’s calling for the Rockies to be sellers.

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 18, 2009 9:46 AM MDT reply actions  

whoops

hiding

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 18, 2009 9:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

ok unhidden

But I missed Rox Girl putting it in the last bit of the Rockpile, so I’m being redundant and unattentive.

/facepalm

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 18, 2009 10:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

You know

in a weird way, if the Rockies did fall apart, and were to trade our Ace and our closer and get back valuable pieces needed (like a 2ndbaseman hopefully that could run, a good up side young starter, bullpen arms) it wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world. IN fact…might actually be a good thing for 2010 and the future of the organization.

Still….I’d rather have meaningful games this July and August.

by Redhawk on Jun 18, 2009 9:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

I wonder

Marquis will be a FA, and Street has one arb year left.

The Rockies could probably get one or two such things on your list, but not that big a haul. Everyone wants good upside young starters.

Free Seth Smith!

by FooMan on Jun 18, 2009 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'll bite

Glad to know the ‘real journalist’ wants the Rockies to keep their nationally assigned role of mediocre ‘feeder team’ that sells to ‘real’ teams (the Rangers?) and gives them little credit for their recent upswing.

/Cite your sources dude — rather than mere supposition and speculation. :)

watch out for the potted plants...

by WalkInRight on Jun 18, 2009 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

Did you read the article?

He wrote “prediction.” People have such chips on their shoulders.

Free Seth Smith!

by FooMan on Jun 18, 2009 12:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

"He’s calling for the Rockies to be sellers."

FWIW, he wrote “prediction.”

Free Seth Smith!

by FooMan on Jun 18, 2009 12:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Jeff Baker

will be DFA after he completes his rehab assignment. He’s simpily not worth the roster spot. Yes, he’s better then Q with a bat…but Baker can’t play/back up Shortstop

It was nice knowing you Bake….tear up the minors so we can get something of value for you bud!

by Redhawk on Jun 18, 2009 9:47 AM MDT reply actions  

he was PoTM last season at one point, right?

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 18, 2009 9:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yes

June of last year when he batted .338 w/ 5 Homers and 14 RBI’s

by Redhawk on Jun 18, 2009 9:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

Baker can't

But Barmes can, and if Tulo were to miss a game or games for whatever reason, just slide Barmes across the diamond and stick Baker at 2B.

Baker’s more versatile, and a better bat. If he gets DFA at Q’s expense, just because Q can play short, it’s a mind-bendingly stupid decision on the Rockies part.

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The Shawn Chacon Experience - Life as a Rockies fan, one day at a time: Because we're all still recovering from those nine blown saves.

by Franchise26 on Jun 18, 2009 9:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

That could happen

but if Tulo went down, the Rockies would really have ONLY Barmes in the organization that could play SS at or near major league level. with only Herrera anywhere close.

Nelson is hurt, and Gomez is in A ball. EY2 has issues fielding 2nd at AA. SS is a little thin organizationally.

by Redhawk on Jun 18, 2009 10:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

would Q

1) pass waivers?
2) Take our AAA asignement?

The issue is Baker is right now on the 60-day DL. To add him to the roster means taking another player off the 40 man roster.

by Redhawk on Jun 18, 2009 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

Trade Q for Halladay.

With Halladay on the DL, that’s what the price is.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Jun 18, 2009 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

On another note

I am absolutely bummed that Paul Phillips is going to have to be sent down/away at some point. Don’t know if this was discussed in the game thread, couldn’t participate last night, but he seems to be having a blast with the team and has done absolutly everything we could want him to do.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Jun 18, 2009 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

He does seem like a good clubhouse character, like Spilly

The way he was goofing off with that microphone during the game. I agree, it’s going to be sad when he goes down. He’s even been decent at/behind the plate. Maybe he can stay if Yorvit doesn’t do well in the Springs? or is Yorvit out of options at this point?

by Rockie4Ever on Jun 18, 2009 12:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

Isn't Torrealba also well-liked in the clubhouse?

At any rate, he has too many years of ml experience even if he had options left. He wouldn’t accept the assignment.

Phillips has done a nice job, but he hasn’t been anything special with the bat over his career.

Free Seth Smith!

by FooMan on Jun 18, 2009 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

I just saw that

My fantasy team is in shambles. Halladay, Span and Ibanez just went on the DL, and ManRam is still suspended.

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 18, 2009 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

+1

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by pedalpusher on Jun 18, 2009 4:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yea Shawn Chacon

getting a job with the A’s. Chacon wasn’t exactly beating up the Atlantic League, so I thought he might be done. I always rooted for the local boy, and moving him to be a closer was one of the worst things that could happen to him (and to the Rockies team)

Always thought he would be a good long man.

by Redhawk on Jun 18, 2009 9:49 AM MDT reply actions  

The problem with Chacon

Is that’s he’s just a bad guy. There’s the incident in Houston, the way he bitched his way out of Colorado back in 2005, and the alleged marijuana issues.

While I’m not surprised someone took a flier, I’m glad it wasn’t the Rockies.

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The Shawn Chacon Experience - Life as a Rockies fan, one day at a time: Because we're all still recovering from those nine blown saves.

by Franchise26 on Jun 18, 2009 9:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

Despite all objectivity

I liked Chacon. Hope he gets himself together.

by Teekalong on Jun 18, 2009 10:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

he had flashes of slightly above average

which is valuable. His 2008 with Houston was terrible, however.

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 18, 2009 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

I was one for keeping Chacon in the rotation back in the day

His cousin went to my college. I met Shawn’s aunt and a couple cousins at a CSM football game.

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 18, 2009 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

That's cool to know.

Before I got there obviously.

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by jrockies on Jun 18, 2009 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

He was an ALL STAR

that’s a little better then “flashes of slightly above average”

by Redhawk on Jun 18, 2009 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

I seriously, honestly can't tell if you're being serious here

If so, I think the glue from your hat is giving off fumes

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 18, 2009 10:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

In 2005

He had an ERA + of 131 In 200 he was an All-Star and had an ERA+ of 108

by Redhawk on Jun 18, 2009 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

look at you and them advanced stats

/sniff I’m so proud

Yeah, he had some decent seasons, remember that a lot of that 2005 was with the Yankees when he just owned for some stupid reason.

I’m p sure he was just the Rockies ASG rep the year he made it. Promising, but yeah.

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 18, 2009 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

he was awesome

for us prior to the ASG appearance, well deserved. He was then hurt, then the bullpen debacle. Then Yankees, where he was given a few standing ovations, including in the playoffs as I recall. his career is marked more by the downs than ups, but when he was on his game he was as good as any we’ve had.

by Teekalong on Jun 18, 2009 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

His 13 K in one game

is still the second best by any Rockies starter.

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by Russ Oates on Jun 18, 2009 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

2003

when he was an All-Star he was leading the national league in wins, and that was pre humidor. It was assumed at the time, that no one could pitch well in Coors. Chacon changed that.

The 2003 Rockies main starting line up was:
1 C Charles Johnson
2 1B Todd Helton
3 2B Ron Belliard
4 SS Juan Uribe
5 3B Chris Stynes
6 LF Jay Payton
7 CF Preston Wilson (Led league in RBI’s w/141)
8 RF Larry Walker

as you can see a team filled with All-Star caliber players

by Redhawk on Jun 18, 2009 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

Stynes, Belliard, Payton, Uribe

All-Star caliber? Even Johnson is pushing it there.

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by jrockies on Jun 18, 2009 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

Didn't he start the ASG that year?

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by jrockies on Jun 18, 2009 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Street

Why is the media in such a rush to deal this guy? He’s not a grizzled vet — he’s a 25 year old effective closer. Guys like that have “cornerstone of future team success” written all over them.

Yeah, if someone wants to make a ridiculous offer, I guess you listen. But man, it had better be something serious coming back in return.

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by BroJB on Jun 18, 2009 12:16 PM MDT reply actions  

He's about to get really expensive

And the Rockies are a small market team. Hence, it’s probably not a smart idea to think he’s going to be with the Rockies once he reaches free agency after next year. So if you can get a good deal for him (and decide that you are sellers this year too) then you should probably trade him.

by Brendan Scolari on Jun 18, 2009 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

Because closers are expensive.

Street has one year of arb left and then is a FA after the 2010 season.

Look what Fuentes received in a down market. People don’t see the Rockies moving too much above their current payroll level ($75-80 Million or so), and at that level, it looks doubtful that they’d want to spend $10M and up on a closer.

OTOH, I don’t think there are really good candidates within for a closer for 2010.

Free Seth Smith!

by FooMan on Jun 18, 2009 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

After the All Star Break of '10(and assuming all goes well) I'd say Buchholz could close

He’s said before he doesn’t want to be a closer, but I think he’d be willing to do it

Also, Manny’s having a rough patch, he’s had them before. He dominated in 2007 and parts of ’08, I believe he could do it again.

Matt Daley is also another option.

by Rockie4Ever on Jun 18, 2009 12:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

It may take until 2011 until Bucky is back to his old self

Being out of major league competition for a year and a half would make it difficult to step into a closer role. Besides, his peripherals suggest his 2008 ERA was much lower than it ought to have been in the first place.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 18, 2009 4:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Are we having a Game thread today?

"We made too many wrong mistakes." ~Yogi Berra
"The ballplayer who loses his head, who can't keep his cool, is worse than no ballplayer at all." ~Lou Gehrig
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by jrockies on Jun 18, 2009 12:48 PM MDT reply actions  

good question...

I better post one.

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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Jun 18, 2009 12:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

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