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When you get on a roll the way Colorado has, sometimes it's just that, a small streak. As reality starts to set in, it will be interesting to see whether the Rockies can maintain it. It's not going to be an easy task against the Angels.

Colorado's run is just that, a run. In my mind, this team is not a threat to win the wild card. Even though the Mets and Phillies have played terribly lately, the wild card is still going to come out of the NL East. Both teams are almost unwatchable at the moment, but I'm still certain the Phillies will win the division and the Mets will take the wild card.

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I was going to expand on this in the morning's Rockpile, but might as well just do it now

I’ve never actually read one of Kruk’s columns. He’s not a good writer. In fact, it was an awkward read. I don’t give a damn if an ESPN analyst thinks the Mets or Phillies have a better shot at the Wild Card. But you had better back it up. Saying “I think” with no reasoning gives no credibility whatsoever.

How’s this…only the Dodgers and Cardinals have more wins than the Rockies in the NL at the moment, and only the Dodgers have a better run differential….The Rockies are four runs shy of passing the Phils for most in the NL, but Philly has the worst pitching staff outside of Washington. It’s convenient to say pitching wins re: the Rockies, but not Philadelphia…Other than the Rockies, only the Mets are on a winning streak in the top 6 of the WC, and the Rockies have gained 5 games on them in the last 10.

Kruk, I don’t mind if you disagree and think the Rockies won’t make it, but when there’s solid evidence to show they are contenders, give me SOME reason why you think the way you do. Otherwise, you just look like a blind fool picking a team with a +1 run differential with a history of failing and a team that’s 9 games under at home.

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 23, 2009 1:36 AM MDT reply actions  

"both [the Mets & Phillies] are almost unwatchable"

well then watch the Rockies, you silly ESPN ‘writer’!

GO ROCKIES

(my other car is a cdr)

by ejskater on Jun 23, 2009 2:19 AM MDT reply actions  

At least he has the balls not to go some generic "the race's open/red-hot Rockies/ultra streak" route

But yeah, he gives no reasoning aside from his “hunch”… Maybe the Rockies got this reputation of being streaky after the ‘07 run?
And anyway, don’t most of the big market analysts think like Kruk anyway? They just won’t say it…

by Kaneda on Jun 23, 2009 4:32 AM MDT reply actions  

actually when you said he has the balls

i believe he is missing one

we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE

by TuLoRocks2008 on Jun 23, 2009 7:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure I agree with you 100% on your policework, Kaneda

I don’t think it’s balls to pick two teams from cities where a large chunk of your viewing audience resides.

Now…

If he had picked the Rockies for the wildcard in mid-May, that would have been balls.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Jun 23, 2009 8:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

LOL!

“…sometimes it’s just that, a small streak.” Hmmmmm… 17 wins in 18 games is teeeny tiny. It almost sounds Monty Python-ian, “It’s just a flesh wound!”

by SoxRoxFan on Jun 23, 2009 7:34 AM MDT reply actions  

yep saw him say this on baseball tonight yesterday

not surprised at all…whatever…and yes obviously the Phillies and Mets play boring baseball….start watching other games then buddy

we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE

by TuLoRocks2008 on Jun 23, 2009 7:39 AM MDT reply actions  

During out sreak...

… we’ve proven ourselves to the NL Central, to a very similar team to us in the Rays (both young teams, new to the league, a history of failure that has been altered by recent league championship success), and are in the process of proving ourselves to the AL West.

Two key places who have NOT seen what we’ve been doing outside of stats and highlights are the Eastern divisions, and of course, the NL West.

As a result, if you look on standard MLB message boards (MLB as a whole based, not team based), and you look in Wild Card speculation threads, you see:

- Cardinals fans backing the Rockies.
- Brewers fans backing the Rockies.
- Mariners fans backing the Rockies
- Rays fans backing the Rockies.
- Pirates fans backing the Rockies.

Likewise, you see:
- NL East and AL East teams thinking they’re crazy,
- The NL West (mostly Dodgers and Giants) fans explaining how horrible we actually are because of how much they’ve beaten up on us.

Before we become competitors in the eyes of people outside here in Rockies fandom, the NL Central, and scattered about the AL, we have to prove we can beat Eastern division powerhouses like Philadelphia (which we have one series against) and NYM (which we have two).

I agree that this shows a naive bias on the part of writers like Kruk, who feel confident enough to know our team’s future without taking a look, but at the same time, you can’t blame them for being uninformed to begin with. Nobody’s going to watch every game of the season, and as much as it may seem unfair, the Rockies fanbase is not powerful nor large. For people to notice, we have to beat them. They have to see us play.

Remaining in the schedule, we have:
- 4 series against the Diamondbacks
- 4 series against the Giants
- 3 series against the Dodgers
- 3 series against the Padres
- 2 series against the Reds
- 2 series against the Mets
- 2 series against the Nationals
- 1 series against the Cardinals
- 1 series against the Brewers
- 1 series aginst the Cubs
- 1 series against the Pirates
- 1 series against the Phillies
- 1 series against the Braves
- 1 series against the Marlins
- 1 series against the Athletics
- The rest of the series against the Angels.

There is only ONE team in the NL that we are not going to see again (the Astros). That’s plenty of room to float around and prove ourselves.

by Greg Stanwood on Jun 23, 2009 8:42 AM MDT reply actions  

It is interesting how the Rox are in the "weakest" division

and all of this has been done against other divisions.

That’s why I really want good results against the Dodgers.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Jun 23, 2009 8:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

The NL West was hands down the worst division last year.

But it was the best in 2007. People act like it’s been in the doldrums for years.

Let’s face it, the division still isn’t very good. The Diamondbacks and Padres are rotting it, and so were we when we were below both of them. But in 2007, it had four teams above .500.

by Greg Stanwood on Jun 23, 2009 8:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

"The Diamondbacks and Padres are rotting it,"

Yeah, rotting it, not like the Nationals who would be winning the NL West if they were in it, that’s how awesome the NL East must be.

THEY CANNIBALIZE EACH OTHER LIKE SEC FOOTBALL

Somebody should make a comic called "Tulowitzki the Combat Shortstop". I'd read it.

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by ES46NE10 on Jun 23, 2009 8:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

My sarcasm alarm

Is through the roof this morning.

Somebody should make a comic called "Tulowitzki the Combat Shortstop". I'd read it.

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by ES46NE10 on Jun 23, 2009 9:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

Mmmmm, ovulicious.

Somebody should make a comic called "Tulowitzki the Combat Shortstop". I'd read it.

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by ES46NE10 on Jun 23, 2009 9:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

+1

LOL

Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.

by RdRnnr on Jun 23, 2009 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

"the Mets will take the wild card. "

Did I miss whatever it was the Mets did to earn this massive respect? Was it their multiple world series appearances this decade? Was it those two division titles they won in the last two seasons? Is Johan Santana pitching six games a week now?

I like how he doesn’t even mention the Brewers and Giants who are actually, you know, tied for the Wild Card right now.

/Meanwhile, in Bristol/

NOBODY WANTS TO SEE THE BREWERS, ROCKIES AND GIANTS! EVERYONE LOVES THE METS! THEY ARE A TOP-FIVE HISTORICAL FRANCHISE! THE ONLY TEAM WITH A MORE ILLUSTRIOUS HISTORY THAN THE METS IS THE CUBS AND THEIR BILLION WORLD SERIESIES! THE NL WORST SHOULD BE CONTRACTED! THE DODGERS SUCK WITHOUT MANNY THAT’S WHY THE SAWX ARE BETTAH! THE 2009 38 – 31 YANKS SHOULD GET BOTH WILD CARDS BECAUSE THEY ARE MUCH MORE AWESOME TO WATCH! PHIL MICKELSON! HE’S WHITE! (sorry, went off on a tangent) THIS IS THE YEAR THE METS AND CUBS FINALLY PLAY IN THE WORLD SERIES LIKE THEY ARE ENTITLED! ENTITLED!

Seriously, which NL division has the best record right now? It’s the NL East, right? Especially when you take out the Nationals because they only count for getting the Mets wins, right? The top four teams in the NL East are farther above .500 than the entire NL West, right? Because it’s so awesome?

Somebody should make a comic called "Tulowitzki the Combat Shortstop". I'd read it.

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by ES46NE10 on Jun 23, 2009 8:46 AM MDT reply actions  

Okay, my rant is done, for now.

The Rockies do better when I’m not here anyway :)

Somebody should make a comic called "Tulowitzki the Combat Shortstop". I'd read it.

UMD 8/04 - 5/08: Go Terps!

by ES46NE10 on Jun 23, 2009 8:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

I must say I love the new site title

Chris Iannetta status: DOOM
Seth Smith status: Badass
Matt Murton status: Prisoner Exchanged for CarGon
Mike McCoy status: FREE MIKE MCCOY

by Andrew Martin on Jun 23, 2009 8:50 AM MDT reply actions  

Inferiority complex much?

Seriously, for God’s sake, who gives a good goddamn what John Kruk thinks of the Rockies? It’s an opinion. I think he’s wrong. I don’t care enough to rend garments and spew bile over it.

The Rockies are 17-1 in their last 18 and we’re all up in arms about what John Kruk thinks about the team. Incredible.

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by Franchise26 on Jun 23, 2009 9:00 AM MDT reply actions  

indifference is one thing

but coming out and saying “hey you guys suck either way” is just terrible

I think it’s less about Kruk than him being the voice of ESPN.

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 23, 2009 9:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

ESPN

When Major League Baseball gives ESPN permission to hand-pick the eight playoff participants every season, then I’ll care about ESPN’s perception of the Rockies. Until then, I won’t.

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by Franchise26 on Jun 23, 2009 9:07 AM MDT up reply actions  

You are right ultimately

Media historically follows what they consider the “story”. They can influence the opinion of the masses, by picking what “Story” they fill is the real one. If this were a political race where the fan’s voted on who should be the wild card, I’d be really upset by ESPN’s coverage. Still it doesn’t seem “fair” as a Rockies fan.

But you are right…it’s still decided on the field…so ESPN can take there bias and stick it.

by Redhawk on Jun 23, 2009 9:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

Why do we assume he's the voice of ESPN?

It’s still just his opinion. Do we know that they took a vote? Just because the Rockies might not be getting the coverage, doesn’t mean that all the analysts feel the same way Kruk does. They don’t necessarily have a say in what stories they do.

by holly96 on Jun 23, 2009 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's not about John Kruk

I have nothing against John Kruk personally, but you know, and I know, that the opinion he expressed is held throughout Bristol. The Rockies are like some sort of mystery that they don’t want to have to actually look into. The Mets (METS) are just so much more awesome that they’ll essentially earn the Wild Card just by being awesome, for their third (or is it thirty-fourth?) consecutive playoff appearance.

Somebody should make a comic called "Tulowitzki the Combat Shortstop". I'd read it.

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by ES46NE10 on Jun 23, 2009 9:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

Again, how do we know everyone at ESPN feels the same way?

I really don’t get this. Until they take a poll on this issue specifically (not whether the Rockies will get into the playoffs, but whether they can be a legitimate contender), we can’t presume to know how they all think.

I’m not necessarily disagreeing with the lack of overall coverage, but that doesn’t automatically reflect the opinions of the analysts. There are producers that have a large say in what stories they do. Blame them.

And as I speak, the Rockies are getting discussed on ESPNRadio (though they’re mostly talking about the manager change, currently, in terms of a change of attitude).

by holly96 on Jun 23, 2009 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think that

a lot of it is because the Rockies were the top story on MLB.com but the story was about how the Rockies weren’t going to make the Wild Card. A similar thing happened when we hit 10 straight – the team was one of the top stories, but the story was about how the Rockies were going to be sellers come July, and broke down who was available.

Since there’s nothing else coming out of Bristol about the Rockies, the fans assume that that is what ESPN thinks about the team. If the network came out with a couple more stories about the Rockies than the ones that say that the team is “out of it” even though they are 1/2 game out of the Wild Card, then I think the fans would be less irksome.

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by oo_nrb on Jun 23, 2009 10:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

+1

I can’t believe that people are reacting to what John Kruk is saying.

Free Seth Smith!

by FooMan on Jun 23, 2009 9:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

How dare we

Want legitimate baseball analysis. We have an “inferiority complex” because we want to hear legitimate baseball analysis.

  1. Milwaukee 37 – 32
  2. San Francisco 37 – 32
  3. Colorado 37 – 33
  4. METS 35 – 33
  5. CUBS 34 – 32
  6. Cincinnati 34 – 34

Which of these teams is winning the Wild Card? Which of these teams won the Wild Card last year? Which teams are they talking about? Are they the same If not, they’re not doing their job. The Mets and Cubs are not the wild card favorites right now, arguably the Giants are, because as we all know, the NL West sucks, so the Giants will get more games against bad teams than the Mets will against the Nationals. I want objective baseball analysis. If I wanted to hear how the Mets will win the wild card because of how awesome they are, I would watch SNY. If I wanted to hear how the Yankees are going 162 – 0, I’ll watch YES. If I wanted to know how much more the Red Sox fans DESERVE another title, I’d watch NESN. I don’t need ESPN giving me overkill for what I already have in a more convenient form.

FWIW, I like the Yankees’ broadcasters and when faced with the choice of watching the same game on YES or ESPN (which happens twice a week at least), I watch YES.

Tell me this, if the METS were to win 17 of 18, would it be a little streak, or would they be THE HOTTEST TEAM IN THE MAJORS? Would it be placed in the same part of sportscenter that the Rockies are or would it lead? THINK ABOUT WHAT THE METS HAVE EARNED WITH THEIR PLAY THIS DECADE.

Also, is it really to garner ratings that they put the Mets up? Nobody in Connecticut or New York likes the Mets. They’re the Nets/Islanders of their sport.

Somebody should make a comic called "Tulowitzki the Combat Shortstop". I'd read it.

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by ES46NE10 on Jun 23, 2009 9:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

If you want baseball analysis, why go to ESPN?

Doesn’t it seem clear how they work? Do they seem like paragons of integrity to you, or are they chasing ratings like the rest of the networks? Do you think Baseball Tonight is a news show, or primarily an entertainment show?

Free Seth Smith!

by FooMan on Jun 23, 2009 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

It's a bigger deal than you give it credit for.

As WolfMarauder points out, Kruk’s writing speaks to a lack of exposure of this team by the media, which in turn means a lack of awareness by fans, which in turn leads to a smaller brand presence and less revenue which of course leads to less of an ability to retain key players. Players around the league know what’s happening, this from the losing pitcher last night:

“Everybody knows that they’re hot. It’s all over everybody’s clubhouse.”

But Joe Fan does not seem to grasp this yet. For instance, this is just a sample user comment from SBN’s Rangers blog, the Rangers of course, have a rooting interest in the Rockies this week.
The Rockies are like the baseball team version of Marlon Byrd
Damned mediocre, but when they go on a hot streak they don’t %% around.

The other issue here is that there’s a huge difference between a “small streak” and 17 of 18 or 21 of 22. Once you get over 10% of the season, you’re not talking about a “small streak” anymore, but something that has to fundamentally alter the way you look at a team and I don’t think people realize that. In 2007, the best 20 game regular season streaks were by Arizona, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Colorado, the Cubs and the Angels. All were playoff contenders at least, and only Milwaukee missed. In 2008, same story, teams that were able to pull off a 20 game run of 16-4 or better were all playoff contenders. In 2006, Minnesota, Detroit, the Dodgers and Oakland dominate the best streak charts, and guess what? All were in the playoffs.

by Rox Girl on Jun 23, 2009 9:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

You make a good point

And I think this is a much more level-headed way to look at it than just “ESPN HATES US”. But really, when you start to talk about perception leading to smaller brand presence and revenue, that starts on the home front, doesn’t it? For example, anybody who read Kiszla’s drivel in the Post this morning will now see the Rockies as ‘not serious’ about making a playoff run if they don’t make a trade for an ‘ace’ (like Jarrod Washburn!). In reality, the emergence of this starting rotation may be the biggest key of this hot stretch, as the top three men in our rotation are pitching like the kind of pitcher Kiszla seems to think we still lack. Right now, even Roy Oswalt would be no better than our fourth-best starter.

But the casual fan – and make no mistake, the casual fan is the overwhelming majority in the Rockies fan contingency – will read that crap and it will further any perception that the Rox are just fluking these wins out because ‘they don’t have a real ace’. Now, if down the line both Hammel and de la Rosa become serious drags on the rotation, I could understand the desire to bring in another arm to add a fourth reliable starter. But the perception from the Kiszla column is ‘Yeah, the Rockies are winning now, but it won’t last… unless the owners prove they aren’t cheap bastards. Which they totally are. So, you do the math.’ That type of perception being given to casual baseball fans and Rockies fans is more harmful than a thousand John Kruks.

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by Franchise26 on Jun 23, 2009 9:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

I somewhat agree, or would if Kruk's opinions were in print only

But his exposure on ESPN and ESPN radio will end up trumping even Kiszla because there are a lot of casual Rockies fans that won’t even bother reading a paper. Of course, Kruk only touches on the Rockies in passing, while Kiszla’s constantly pouring his drivel out there and it gets passed along from Casual Fan who reads the paper to Casual Fan who does not, so you’re probably still right.

I think both are bad news for a franchise that’s in a decent spot, but we should probably focus on getting rid of the local cancer first.

by Rox Girl on Jun 23, 2009 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions  

Good point about exposure

Sure, I wish ESPN would cover teams more fairly. I just don’t see why I should expect why it would ever happen. Do the Rockies even get good ratings and good coverage in Colorado?

As for Joe Fan, “mediocre” is a pretty fair description of the Rockies overall. They’ve been a losing franchise. They had to win 13 of 14 and play 163 games to set the franchise record of 90 wins. The last 18 games have been stupendous, but the previous 52 still count. I don’t see how any sane person pimps the Mets at this point (sheesh, Beltran just went on the DL with knee problems!), but I can definitely understand why no one’s crowning the Rockies yet.

Free Seth Smith!

by FooMan on Jun 23, 2009 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

I guess what I'm saying is that mediocre is pretty close to being false, if it's not already

Most current projections have the team winning 87 this year, see BP’s playoff odds or BtB’s Projected standings, for instance. If right, that would give the Rockies two out of the last three seasons with 87 wins or more, perhaps two out of the last three with playoff appearances. That’s no longer a losing franchise, nor a mediocre one. Paul DePodesta had a Q and A the other day on some site where he was mentioning how teams don’t really progress in a linear fashion. One year you might be bad, the next you’ll be in the playoffs and on the start of a run. If the team continues at its current pace, it would make 2008 more of a fluke than 2007.

by Rox Girl on Jun 23, 2009 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

Perspective

Sure, we are Rockies fans. We’ll focus on 2007-2009 rather than the rest of it, esp. as we see 2007-present as the sweet spot of the GenR plan.

But the from other fans’ perspective: they also see the rest of the Rockies’ history, or worse, are working with murky impressions of it—just another losing franchise. Further, the regular BP playoff odds and BtB projections are at this point the rosiest possible picture since the expected win pct with which they sim the rest of the season is generated solely off this season’s stats. You’re gonna look your best after winning 17 of 18. To these sims, Hawpe is about 100 pts of OPS better than he would be under a regular projection system. If the Rockies slip a little and go 8 for the next 20 with component stats to match, they’ll look worse.

The usual way of running a projection would be to roll this season’s stats into the usual multi-year data set for a projection, and then run the sim. (Their PECOTA version doesn’t even do this.) They’d still be projected to be above .500, and a major contender for the wild card. But it would bring the projection down some.

So, taking this, and adding it against the overall performance of the franchise, I can see how other team’s fans will not be so impressed. It takes a while to change perception. If the Rockies win the wild card, that will definitely help. But they’re not there yet—they’re 70 games in.

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by FooMan on Jun 23, 2009 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

And you're going to look your worst after 20-32, if you're actually a better than .500 team

It’s not the rosiest projection possible, that would be looking at only these 18 games and seeing that the Rockies should go 86-6 the rest of the way, or whatever the streak’s Pythag says they’d win. Instead, these projections are where the complete season is right now. Of course things are going to be looking rosy after sweeping St. Louis, Milwaukee, Seattle and Pittsburgh and taking two out of three from the Rays and clobbering the Angels in the first game of a series against them, that’s because things are rosy.

That you recognize there are some overachievers in that line is fine, but there are underachievers still as well. Iannetta’s not going to be hitting .220 all season, and neither of our third basemen should be at where they are right now, either. Jorge De La Rosa is quite a bit better than his results have shown and given last year might just be a better second half performer anyway. Tulo’s obviously breaking out already, but these season forecasts still see his total 70 game season to date which is probably not as good as what his final line will wind up being.

The team’s rest of season ZiPS projections at FanGraphs are still somewhat promising:

Iannetta .867 OPS (I think this one’s low)
Helton .884
Barmes .759
Tulo .810
Stewart .843
Smith .841/Spilborghs .802
Fowler .746
Hawpe .905

You compare that to the projections for other contending teams, even with park factors and you’ll realize that the Rockies have a deep offense comparable to the Dodgers, with fewer holes than the Phillies and Mets, particularly in the wake of the latter’s injury situation to key stars. The pitching projections show us better than the Phillies as well, and at least on a par with the Mets when all the parts are considered.

by Rox Girl on Jun 23, 2009 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

I second Franchise26 that this is a better point.

I tend to really roll my eyes at the rampant ESPN-bashing on blogs, especially the various versions of “Everyone at ESPN hates my team and thinks we’re a fluke!” Even when I agree that there are problems (they’ll admit themselves that they’re not perfect—I think it’s harder than people think to balance the business/ratings aspect with the sports coverage aspect, especially when you’re virtually the only game in town), it tends to go overboard, in my opinion.

However, I do agree with you on the broader picture (not ESPN-specific). I think much of it has to do with being a smaller market (there are other teams that would face the same type of thing in our situation), and a lot has to do with our history. I think the national media (and out-of-town local media) are also slow to pick up on things like this.

by holly96 on Jun 23, 2009 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

I definitely agree with what you are saying. It can get quite out of hand

I don’t really have an issue even with ESPN giving more coverage of the Mets/Yankees/Dodgers/Red Sox, even when playing worse than small market teams. ESPN is a business, and their role is to give their consumers what they want. There are more fans of big market east coast teams than Kansas City or Colorado. They’re just giving their audience what they want, and this isn’t a chicken/egg argument. More coverage on ESPN may gain more fans for big market teams now, but they definitely had larger followings beforehand.

With that said, that’s not what I have problems with Kruk’s statements. If you’re paid to be an analyst, ANALYZE. I don’t have to agree with him, but I want to know why he has a different view. There are so many statistical signs pointing to the Rockies’ legitimacy, so I want a counterargument. Otherwise, it just sounds like he’s saying “They’re Colorado. They CAN’T be legit. Especially since they were 20-32. They’ll fall apart just because.” That’s not analysis. That’s lazy.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 23, 2009 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

Mostly agree on the second part

I think the problem with the column was that he made a simple prediction at the end of an analysis, without backing it up. Sports analysts make predictions all the time, and they don’t necessarily have to lay out exactly why they think such and such a team is going to win a game or make the playoffs (much of the time it’s just a shot in the dark or a gut feeling, anyway). But those kinds of predictions are best left to their own thing (a poll on the website of various analysts’ prediction, or a quick hit at the end of BBTN about who they think is going to make the playoffs). I have no problem with Kruk or anyone else predicting that the Wildcard will come out of the NL East. That’s just as legitimate as any other simple prediction. The problem arose when he basically dismissed the Rockies as even a possibility, when he had just spent an entire column on them. He could have left the prediction at the end out of it, and I don’t think anyone would have noticed.

by holly96 on Jun 23, 2009 1:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

This just IN:

the Eastern Sports Programing Network has an east coast bias.

shocking

Film at 10:00

by Redhawk on Jun 23, 2009 9:37 AM MDT reply actions  

West Coast Bias too....

That’s why, if the Rocks stay hot, the series against the Dodgers will be a very big story, and if the Rox can win that series, they’ll definitely start getting respect. But ESPN would be making a big mistake NOT to have the teams in the population centers be their main focus.

I guess I really don’t care too much what national writers and TV people say. It is irksome that the Post allows Kizla to comment at all about baseball, but it’s nice to know that Krieger is still around. I’ve gotten to like Renck and Saunders a little bit, but it would be nice to have Ringolsby in a local paper again.

I’ve been a member here since the winter before the ’07 season, and have constantly been impressed by the quality and depth of the writing here. I hope the Rox continue to be a great subject to read about and watch well into the fall.

by jlikesrockies on Jun 23, 2009 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Are you sure they wouldn't say the Dodgers gift-wrapped a game to the Rockies?

It’s the only explanation for the Rockies losing to a team in Los Angeles

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 23, 2009 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

ESPN can go to hell

that is all.

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jun 23, 2009 12:59 PM MDT reply actions  

Hey, don't beat around the bush.

Tell us how you really feel.

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by pedalpusher on Jun 23, 2009 3:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

MLB Network

I feel like the sample size is not large enough, with MLBN only being around for a few months, but I think they do a better job than ESPN. I think that they spread the coverage around well, focusing on both the day-to-day highlights and scores as well as big stories. I can barely stand to watch baseball tonight, but there are a few shows on MLBN that I enjoy.

by EricMedic on Jun 23, 2009 1:07 PM MDT reply actions  

To some degree I think that's comparing apples to oranges.

The MLB Network doesn’t also have to cover other sports. They may indeed do a better job of nightly wrap-up, etc. (I don’t get the MLB Network, so I can’t speak to it myself), but it’s still not a totally fair comparison. In fact, if they didn’t do a better job, I would be surprised, given the different goals of the two networks. That doesn’t have to be an indictment of ESPN at the same time, however. I think there’s room for both, particularly since they likely cater to slightly different audiences.

by holly96 on Jun 23, 2009 1:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

But ESPN boasts itself as "the worldwide leader in sports."

if this is how they are going to advertise themselves, they need to back it up with knowledge of, you know, sports. This would include analysis and evidence that they actually know what all the teams are doing. If you haven’t been paying attention to the streak, then either become informed or don’t talk about it.

I object to ESPN selling itself as (in this case) more than it is. This article has no credibility, no analysis, and is being presented as fact.

by Justus on Jun 23, 2009 8:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm not disagreeing about that one article.

I just think the MLB Network should be expected to be able to give more equal coverage, since MLB is all they cover. ESPN is wearing far more hats, therefore it can’t give any one sport as much time as can a network only devoted to one sport.

ESPN isn’t perfect. No media outlet is. I’m sure you’ll find equally uninformed articles plenty of other places. I’m partly playing devil’s advocate here, because I find all the moaning and groaning about ESPN tiresome and overblown (among sports fans in general, not necessarily on PR). And I’ve always looked at their tagline more as a statement to the fact they’re pretty much the only game in town, not as some kind of claim of infallible coverage. From a ratings and popularity standpoint, yeah, they are pretty much the worldwide leader in sports.

by holly96 on Jun 24, 2009 1:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

They are kind of going the other direction, though

Sort of Lake Wobegone-esque in that everybody can be above average.

by Rox Girl on Jun 23, 2009 1:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

awwwww

does everybody get the participation trophy at the end of the season?

/no, they just make league minimum which is nuthin’ to sneeze at :)

"Oh, by the way: I was being sarcastic..."

by WalkInRight on Jun 23, 2009 3:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well considering that they don't have to talk about the NBA, NHL, NFL, U.S. Lawn Tennis Association or anything else

I’d think they should do a better job at covering baseball. My biggest problem with them thus far is that they have to fill up air time with replays of games past. I know they can’t be a “BBTN” type 24-7 but I would like to see more variety in the programming.

"I've had pretty good success with Stan Musial by throwing him my best pitch and backing up third." - Carl Erskine

by pedalpusher on Jun 23, 2009 3:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Has anybody looked at comments section of Kruk's column?

A lot of Rockies love there. A lot of opinion on the Power Rankings spot for the Rox as well (15th, are you kidding me?)

Aku, Soku, Zan

by haj_saitou on Jun 23, 2009 2:27 PM MDT reply actions  

The power rankings are a joke.

15th is ridiculous. It was great to see all of the comments that were pro-Rockies and anti-power rankings.

by EricMedic on Jun 23, 2009 2:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

I love the new Purple Row headline!

I was indifferent about Kruk before, but now we all know how incompetent he is.

by EricMedic on Jun 23, 2009 2:39 PM MDT reply actions  

Kruk is an idiot

I had wrote about this very article earlier today also. I took it on piece by piece and think it is was just plain poorly written. The thought that went into it was little to none.

http://www.examiner.com/x-2701-Colorado-Rockies-Examiner~y2009m6d23-The-Rockies-story-is-national-and-John-Kruk-gives-his-02

by traviseses on Jun 23, 2009 4:54 PM MDT reply actions  

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