Tuesday Pebble Report: Got relief help? Some arms to think about for this year and beyond
So you've watched the team. You've read this morning's Rockpile. You know that what the Rockies lack right now is quality bullpen arms. For today's Pebble Report we're going to look at all the pitchers in the context of how they could help the Rockies pen. I know it's probably ridiculous for the Casper and Tri-City arms, but it might prove a fun exercise.
Colorado Springs: 6-7 (suspended-wet grounds)
Only 10 of 13 runs in this half finished game count as earned runs, but there are only three errors. Two of those have been committed by Eric Young Jr. At any rate, the pitcher for the Sky Sox has been Adam Eaton, who still has a sparkling 1.50 ERA that's a bit less deserved in light of the eight hits, walk, and two HBP's, not to mention seven runs, he gave up in five innings. But this blow-up notwithstanding, could Eaton be a help to the Rockies bullpen?
Last season Eaton had two relief appearances with the Phillies, neither of which went well, even by Eaton standards over the last two and a half seasons. Drummed out of Philadelphia, Eaton went to Baltimore, where he would be facing those easier AL East lineups. The results were predictable to everybody save the Orioles front office, apparently. Now Eaton's pitching relatively well outside of last night with the Sky Sox. The Rockies are seemingly using him as Josh Fogg insurance, but with Fogg being one of our few somewhat reliable spots in the pen, could the team instead use him as a plan B to Rincon until we get other guys back from injury rehab? Let's just dangle it out there as a possibility, but frankly, I'm more intrigued about the arms were going to talk about in Tulsa.
I've always viewed Samuel Deduno as most likely to be an asset that comes out of relief for a MLB team than a starter. It's a question of durability, and Deduno's arm just doesn't seem to have enough to withstand the rigors of a 200 inning season. Starters are more valuable in general, and the Rockies have been wise to keep him in that role until he proves without a doubt it's not going to work, but right now there's a mixture of imperative and opportunity that might make it sensible to switch him over for a big league tryout in relief. The benefits include that he already has a spot on the forty man roster, the drawbacks include that he himself is still recovering from his latest ailment, which limited him to 64 pitches of high quality work last night for the Drillers.
Xavier Cedeno hasn't quite been the shot of left handed rescue juice that I was hoping for this season, but for last night, at least, he showed that maybe he could be going forward with two scoreles innings and a 5-1 GB/FB rate. Adam Bright hasn't been that shot of left-handed rescue juice, either, for multiple seasons now, but he too pitched well in one perfect inning, striking out two. Could either of these guys usurp Alan Embree? If last night was the most typical result for them this season, I would say so, but unfortunately it hasn't been. Really, though, this isn't that high standard of achievement we're talking about. Step it up guys, there's a golden opportunity in Denver.
Austin Chambliss and Edgmer Escalona are good to think about. In relation to 2010, 2011. Probably not 2009, but theoldgrizzlybear was right on Sunday to bring Escalona up. He's having a big time breakout performance this season, and if there was going to be a guy this year who made the move from Modesto to the majors, it probably would be him.
Mike Paulk isn't going to help our bullpen but he had three hits and a walk. Anthony Jackson hit his fourth home run.
Meanwhile in Modesto, Joey Williamson keeps on winning. He's now 8-0 on the season, 17-0 on the career, after starting and pitching five innings of two hit, two walk, six strikeout work against the not quite as prospect laden, but still very strong San Jose team. On the depth chart of our long relievers/spot starters, Williamson ranks below much of the Colorado Springs and Tulsa rotations, but there's likely something there that will have him moving up. I started going off on a long tangent about Williamson and Rockies philosophy here, instead I'll just make a separate post out of it. Expect it some time today. Probably. It fits in with something else I've been working on, so it might just be a chapter in a saga.
Could Matt Reynolds be the shot of lefty juice? 50 K to 7 BB has a lot of people looking at him as an answer. No reason really not to, but keep in mind that there's probably limited upside. If you recall Josh Newman's results were similar at the level, albeit with a lot more walks, but you'll note that Newman's career has regressed in the PCL with Kansas City's Omaha affiliate this year. Reynolds ability to throw strikes may help him avoid the same kind roadblock, but be careful not to get too eager until we see him repeating the performance at higher levels.
Hector Gomez and Jay Cox each had two hits, Matt Repec had a key two run double in the win.
Asheville: Off-day
The schoolyard bullies, er..., Tri-City Dust Devils, continue to go around whalloping opponents. I wonder if we just switched this team with Asheville straight up if there would be that much difference in the level of play. Asheville might actually be quite a bit better with the Tri-City roster. Don't believe me? Fun fact: the average Tourists hitter has been 21.5 years old this season, the average pitcher 21.6. Tri-City's average hitter has been 22.0, their average pitcher, 22.3.
Alright, so looking at the D-Devils pitchers in connection with the Rockies bullpen, we've got some really nice performances from three at least mildly intriguing pitchers and one awful performance from a pitcher who had been fine up until last night. We'll let Eric Federico's performance slide out of our memory as a mulligan, but check out the dominance of lefties Rob Scahill and Wes Musick. Each pitched three scoreless innings, Scahill struck out five allowing one hit, Musick struck out six allowing two walks and an HBP. They combined for a 5-1 GO/AO rate on the other outs. I'd like to have been there to see both these pitchers as they're two of my favorite middle round picks from the draft. Scahill throws a 90-92 mph sinker and has a solid slider. What's holding him back from elite status is the development of his changeup and a history that includes labrum surgery. He's now thrown six innings with a 7/1 GB/FB rate on his season giving up just one hit with 9 K's. If we're thinking about upgrades to Alan Embree, Scahill should be one very quickly. Believe it or not, with that kind of stuff it's possible as soon as this season, but it would be nice instead if we can see what he becomes as a starter, which makes a rapid track like that unlikely. Musick has a slightly slower FB, but good sink with it and the Rockies are going to try and revive his once promising secondary stuff. Definitely not this year, but keep an eye on these two.
The other pitcher of note for the D-Devils yesterday was Rod Scurry, who's become more of a submariner this season, supposedly, which seems to be helping his results some. Keep an eye on him, too.
As for the bats, lots of players got hits, including two more dingers for Mike Zuanich, who we've been ignoring because of his age, but has 4 HR now, and really dingers are dingers. This gets our attention.
Speaking of which, Kyle Hancock gave up a three run homer, a two run homer and a sac fly in the first inning but eventually settled down for four innings of quality work. This is the opposite of his first outing with the Ghosts that started well, but ended badly. If he could just put that kind of start with this kind of finish, he'll be alright. Not going to work in our bullpen right now, though.
Chandler Laurent had three hits in the loss.
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Trade bait?
Another angle on the question: if the pen continues to be a concern and there is a suitable trade target but prospects are required, who is on the “do not trade” list.
Obviously this is more palatable the better the reliever is, and if he’ll still be under team control after 2009.
Free Seth Smith!
I don't really know if the Rockies have anybody in the minors on that list right now
In terms of getting bullpen help specifically, probably Friedrich, Chacin, Rogers and Gomez you don’t trade, but I’d keep my options open with them if a mid-rotation or better starter’s name comes up.
What about Chacin or Rogers in the pen?
Are they still on short list of guys we should be looking at? I have noticed Rogers hasn’t pitched in awhile, is he hurt or because of Smith’s start are they pushing him back to get some rest for him?
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Either one might be interesting, and if it was in the Rockies playbook, I'd be a bigger advocate,
But the team doesn’t seem as fluid as other teams in that regard. The Dodgers seem to have success doing this with pitchers until they settle into a role, the Rockies didn’t so much the last time they tried it with Buchholz. I wonder if we should try it again, though.
Rogers would seem to be a good candidate for this option...
He’s already on the 40 man roster and has the best K/BB ratio in Tulsa at 75Ks and 17 BBs.
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Sorry, I should have been clearer. I meant in terms of a trade for a reliever. Based on how you’ve discussed the various players, your list make sense.
Free Seth Smith!
One more that's practically on the list
Wilin Rosario. I think if he weren’t going to the D-backs for Chad Qualls I’d maybe consider it given that there’s one more season of control and he’s relatively cheap, but certainly not for any of the other names that are rumored to be available.
Whooo coming Saga
I hope it has dragons and a long magical quest. Or…a murder and cover up set in the Vatican…those plots always sell!
And while we are on the topic of fiction, I was hoping for something like “Harold Heater in AA will be a savior of the pen, and is ready for a call up”, Not well there’s Adam Eaton and maybe Deduno. In this case the truth does hurt.
The Rockies are desperate…time to move Deduno to the pen. It’s either that or Adam Eaton…
I'm not sure what you mean by that
while I agree that Eaton is nothing to get real excited about, I think Deduno could bring a power arm to our pen, of healthy I think he could be a very nice piece.
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Phase 1 Underpants, Phase 2......., Phase 3 Profit
Let’s start with phase 1 cut Alan Embree et al and start phase 2….promote some AAA pitchers.
Phase 3 try to trade Spilsborgh for a set-up man and maybe Tim Wheller too.
How about we trade one of the Rex Brothers?
Take me to the Gothic Castle
by frightened inmate #2 on Jun 30, 2009 1:41 PM MDT up reply actions
Eh, one's be carrying the other.
I say ditch Harpo.
Take me to the Gothic Castle
by frightened inmate #2 on Jun 30, 2009 1:49 PM MDT up reply actions
We've got to sign them first...
And also wait the year that you can’t trade draft picks, the problem is getting them in a room together at the same time.
I ment it like Rox Girl wrote it
that besides Eaton the only other possibility would be Deduno. Who is currently a starter, and coming off an injury. And the Rockies have been reluctant to lower the value of their minor league starting pitchers by moving them to the bull pen…..so…that makes Deduno a big fat maybe.
I feel this sums up our sceenario...
We are on the cusps of epic playoff race and the Rockies have to decide if they are commited at trying to get a spot in the posteason with a better set-up man or wait and see what happens with the current bullpen.
If we get LaTroy Hawkin we are in the playoffs hands down. But if we go with the current pen it’s like playing Russian Roulette, just waiting for an accident to happen.
Potential Trade Partners
Baltimore Orioles, Astros and Braves….
Targets…Jim Johnson, George Sherill, LaTroy Hawkins or any arm in the Braves bullpen.
What I would like is Clay Zadava from the Diamondbacks….jealous much.
PROFIT!
you trade Vizciano to the Cubs, they cut him, but are on the ticket for the rest of his salary…Rockies pick him back up at league minimum pro-rated. And we get Jason Marquis
PROFIT BABY!
And Shawn Estes had one of his best years as a Rockie…granted that was what 5….6 years ago?
That is
a strange split on ages between Asheville and TC. Other than being SS and the other FS is there a major difference in talent level, and could Asheville use more of the likes of Wheeler and Matthes who are playing like they are still in college with different bats?
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Other than being SS and the other FS is there a major difference in talent level
This is a little complicated. The levels of talent in the varying leagues are not going to be the same with every organization. In the Rockies case, Tri-City definitely seems to be a step above Asheville right now in the talent level department, even as the NWL as a whole is just a little behind the SAL (which is having a down year in talent, anyway). Part of this has to do with what may be some subtle shifts in player development and drafting with the Rockies that I’m trying to get into (part of that epic saga, I’m talking about) or it might just be a quirky result of this year’s draft in particular in which the Rockies were able to find a surprisingly high number of talented college seniors added to a high carryover load from 2008.
could Asheville use more of the likes of Wheeler and Matthes who are playing like they are still in college with different bats?
Yes, Asheville could use them, but Modesto could as well. I don’t know how the Rockies are going to work with this group, but it’s a nice “problem” to have as the team can now figure out how to disperse the players into the two classes ahead, both of which have holes to fill.
Is it just me...
or does this year’s draft class as a whole seem to have the feel of being a bit more special than the past few years? A couple of year’s down the road I’m sure it will appear to be more normal.
For some reason this year’s class seems to have a different feel to it.
TGFPR!!
It's not just you
I haven’t been this excited about a whole class since 2004, when we really cleaned up with Iannetta, Smith and Fowler among others. We’ve had drafts with a range of interesting sleepers since then, but none that have had the number of players with legit near-ready MLB tools that this one seems to have. What’s even better is that these guys are showing it early and it’s before we’ve reeled five of the best talents (well, four plus Jared Clark, who I really like) from it into the system.
I don’t know if that’s just purple colored glasses that has me seeing it this way, but it does seem like this draft could be a huge windfall of talent for the system.
Matt Wilhite
A CO Springs guy you did not mention in your write up. Any info on him?
Looks like he took a while to get adjusted to the altitude, when he was susceptible to the long ball. Recently he has run off 7 scoreless appearances and has struck out 12 in 14.2 innings while walking three.
Whats the last time you have seen the Rockies minor league teams play
Just curious Rox Girl what minor league Rockie players have you seen play? and how about the list of prospects you list on the side. I think there needs to be some re-evaluating.
I've seen most of the players that have passed through Asheville
Other information on players comes second hand.
The PuRPs list isn’t my list, it’s community generated by Purple Row users submitting ballots of who they think the system’s top 30 prospects are and we’re waiting for the signing deadline on Aug. 17th before we have our next vote.
so, btw, if you do have issues with the list.
It’s up to you to make your case for players to other Purple Row users before that next vote occurs. What I’m saying is that you’re going to have to be more specific and constructive than “needs to be some re-evaluating.”
Oh, but it's more fun to throw stones..
than to build a temple.
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Tonight's lineups
Rockies
Smith LF
Barmes 2B
Helton 1B
Hawpe RF
Tulowitzki SS
Stewart 3B
Gonzalez CF
Iannetta C
Marquis RHP
Dodgers
Pierre LF
Furcal SS
Ethier RF
Blake 3B
Loney 1B
Kemp CF
Castro 2B
Ellis C
Billingsley RHP
HIP HIP HOORAY!!!!
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According to Troy Renck, Torrealba is in LA but was not yet activated.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 30, 2009 5:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Which lineup, Dodgers or Rockies? You could make a strong argument for either one leading to the same conclusion. :)
That said, I’ll take my chances with Billingsley.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 30, 2009 6:04 PM MDT up reply actions
Really...? Not about the trust in Billingsley part, but
I’d like to hear the strong argument that Castro and Ellis are beatdown capable components ino a lineup. I wouldn’t want them.
No, I meant they (Castro & Ellis) were components to a Rockies’ beatdown! :)
by Eric Stephen on Jun 30, 2009 7:13 PM MDT up reply actions
Furcal hasn’t done anything, Pierre is, well, Pierre. We have four outs in that lineup tonight; that’s what I was hinting at.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 30, 2009 7:25 PM MDT up reply actions
I get it now...
Yeah, Billingsley will have to bring his A game, but then again, I don’t I completely trust Marquis. And Andre Ethier could beat us by himself, blindfolded while simultaneously rescuing a kitten from a tree and signing a peace accord between the Yooks and the Zooks.
If it helps, I wake up sweating thinking about Brad Hawpe and his (estimated) .896 batting average against the Dodgers :)
by Eric Stephen on Jun 30, 2009 7:36 PM MDT up reply actions
Let me try that again..
This is the Rockies most potent lineup. Teetering on the precipice of an offensive explosion.
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Rox Girl,
I was just wondering about how it is put together and you answered it.

















