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I think they got it wrong. The problem is not that they can’t hit, but rather that they haven’t hit yet. Too many players have been performing way below what should reasonably have been expected.

I hope the last two games are an indication that the hitting will start to come around. Maybe the arrival of Cargon and the return of Ianetta will give the club a lift as well.

by jlikesrockies on Jun 6, 2009 10:58 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

That is the problem though...

thus far the Rockies simply haven’t hit well as a team (well, and the bullpen has been terrible). The power rankings guy is right on that account, anyway.

Eschew Obfuscation!

by Jeff Aberle on Jun 6, 2009 12:09 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ankiel the Minuteman, why does he hate mexicans?(sarcasm)

hey did ya’all see the exchange between Ankiel and DLR last night after ankiel hit the double to knock him out? They had been chirping at each other during the AB, with Ankiel yelling at him to give him a fastball, a$$-hole…Then pointing to the scoreboard or dugout.
I had the St loius feed and those broadcasters got all over it…Just wondering…

I thought either he took exception to the way Stewey spiked his bat after the HR, or that DLR took 5 straight vs. Reyes…or something personal?

I love a little animosity, I hope Cookie puts one in his ear tonight….

Also, what about not pinch hitting for DLR at 4-1 bases loaded, no outs last night? At the time I was not a fan of the move but Im still getting used to the way Tracy manages… its amazzing how used to Hurdle we were…

Been on a streak of having to record game to watch later, so I dont get to participate in the game threads to see what the ROW thinks of my wacky theories of Rockydom…

Dogs and wife and child offer no valuable insight.

by El Paso Jeff on Jun 6, 2009 11:43 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Ankiel

As a former pitcher, here are my thoughts: you’re a bitch, Rick Ankiel. You want a fastball? Fogg should have put one in his ribs in the 9th and then said “There’s your bleeping fastball, bitch.” What kind of punk cries about not getting a fastball? The pitcher’s trying to get you out so he can get in the dugout, get some pats on the back, and pound some Budweiser. Sorry he’s not lobbing you cockshots so you can maybe get your average up around the .225 mark.

He should have gotten plunked last night. I’d have done it without hesitation.

Staying on the sunny side of Blake Street since 1993.
The Shawn Chacon Experience - Life as a Rockies fan, one day at a time: Because we're all still recovering from those nine blown saves.

by Franchise26 on Jun 6, 2009 12:09 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nothing violent about a fastball in the ribs

It’s part of the game. If one of my teammates is getting yelled at and stared down on his way off the mound, somebody had better have his back. Dot Ankiel next time up and that’s the end of it. He’d know why it happened, you’ve stood up for your own teammate, and you move on.

Staying on the sunny side of Blake Street since 1993.
The Shawn Chacon Experience - Life as a Rockies fan, one day at a time: Because we're all still recovering from those nine blown saves.

by Franchise26 on Jun 6, 2009 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Part of the game" my foot.

I don’t care how big of a “part of the game” it is. When it happens, they look like absolute fools with no self control or maturity. Like children throwing a temper tantrum. Wahh, wahh, I’m gonna throw this at you! Wahh!

by WolfMarauder on Jun 6, 2009 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Go play intramurals, brother.

Staying on the sunny side of Blake Street since 1993.
The Shawn Chacon Experience - Life as a Rockies fan, one day at a time: Because we're all still recovering from those nine blown saves.

by Franchise26 on Jun 6, 2009 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is it a nice view up there on your high horse?

Staying on the sunny side of Blake Street since 1993.
The Shawn Chacon Experience - Life as a Rockies fan, one day at a time: Because we're all still recovering from those nine blown saves.

by Franchise26 on Jun 6, 2009 12:54 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you don't like it, fine

But baseball is not a game where you consistently act in a gentlemanly fashion. The fastball to the ribs has been a message-sender in this game since Cy Young and Ty Cobb were playing. If that’s what you’re looking for… well, go play intramurals. Just because I happen to think it’s a worthwhile message to send doesn’t make me angry and violent.

Staying on the sunny side of Blake Street since 1993.
The Shawn Chacon Experience - Life as a Rockies fan, one day at a time: Because we're all still recovering from those nine blown saves.

by Franchise26 on Jun 6, 2009 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not necessarily the act...

… it’s the mentality. The “firey desire” people show, anxious to see Mr. Enemy Baseball player feel pain. I don’t think you’ll deny that many sports fans show a lust for conflict. In baseball, it’s less so… but it’s still there, and if I want to laugh at it, I have the right to laugh at it.

by WolfMarauder on Jun 6, 2009 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

wouldn't it be funnier

to not hit him and just strike him out on a steady diet of breaking pitches?

by Resolution on Jun 6, 2009 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but since de la Rosa tried that and gave up a double

and then continued to stare down Jorge as he left the game, he’s gotta get one put on him the next time up. Aren’t we all wanting this ballclub to show a little more fire? Weren’t we all livid when Iannetta got mad after that hard tag he took one night but no one else in the dugout even seemed to notice? If Fogg or whoever drills Ankiel in the 9th, it’s a message that you aren’t going to get away with your bush-league crap against us.

Staying on the sunny side of Blake Street since 1993.
The Shawn Chacon Experience - Life as a Rockies fan, one day at a time: Because we're all still recovering from those nine blown saves.

by Franchise26 on Jun 6, 2009 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

*"...and then Ankiel continued to stare down..."

Staying on the sunny side of Blake Street since 1993.
The Shawn Chacon Experience - Life as a Rockies fan, one day at a time: Because we're all still recovering from those nine blown saves.

by Franchise26 on Jun 6, 2009 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Couldn't agree more, stop being walked all over and show some backbone

It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.

by smokinRox on Jun 6, 2009 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, let's all stoop to their level!

Eye for an eye! Ball in the throat!! Rahh rahh fire adrenaline blood sweat tears testosterone rahh!

by WolfMarauder on Jun 6, 2009 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Overreacting much? Now who's being angry?

A fastball in the ribs never hurt anybody. Sorry baseball offends your delicate sensibilities. Got any thoughts on flipping a guy at second base on the turn? Trying to jar the ball loose from the catcher on a play at the plate?

Staying on the sunny side of Blake Street since 1993.
The Shawn Chacon Experience - Life as a Rockies fan, one day at a time: Because we're all still recovering from those nine blown saves.

by Franchise26 on Jun 6, 2009 12:52 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry...

… but to me, it’s like two eight years in a fight.

“You’re stupid.”

“Well you’re more stupid.”

“You’re stupid times ten.”

“You’re stupid times infinity.”

Sports grudges in a nutshell.

by WolfMarauder on Jun 6, 2009 12:54 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

To paraphrase Ferris: "its a little childish and stupid, but so is baseball."

beaning guys may or may not be silly, its very much part of the game and I agree with Franchise here. HGHAnkiel deserved one.

by Teekalong on Jun 6, 2009 12:58 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

More often than not, that's not at all how it works

Guy does something to rile the other team – maybe he pimps a long ball a little too much, or starts complaining about what kinds of pitches he’s being thrown, or tags a guy too hard, or whatever.

Next time up, he gets one in the gut. It’s the other team saying “Don’t pull that crap again.” It’s like being spanked.

If the other team’s pitcher throws at one of our guys in reponse to that… well then, that’s where it gets to be ridiculous.

Playing in a Legion Tournament my senior year. Kid on the other team had a big day, hit two homers. On the second one, he stood in the box like he was Bonds to admire his shot. Third time up, he took a heater in the back. He knew why it happened, the other team knew why it happened, and it was over with. If we could handle it maturely in high school ball, I’m sure the pros can do it the same way.

Staying on the sunny side of Blake Street since 1993.
The Shawn Chacon Experience - Life as a Rockies fan, one day at a time: Because we're all still recovering from those nine blown saves.

by Franchise26 on Jun 6, 2009 1:02 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why does his behavior in the box warrant a baseball to the back?

Ooh, he’s arrogant. Big deal. I couldn’t care less, it’s a home run either way. The best way to make him look like a fool is to cancel out his two homers with two more, not get pissy about it.

by WolfMarauder on Jun 6, 2009 1:04 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you don't understand, maybe you never played the game.

If you’re a competitor who has been shown up or disrespected, you have to show that you’re not going to tolerate that kind of crap.

I’ll use this analogy again: if you flagrantly disrespect your mom or dad, you’re getting a swat across the behind. If you flagrantly disrespect the law, you’re getting punished for that, too. Baseball and hockey are the only games where flagrantly disrespecting your opponent has consequences, and in baseball, that consequence is a little dead red bouncing off your upper body. Walk it off, be a man, and think the next time you act.

Staying on the sunny side of Blake Street since 1993.
The Shawn Chacon Experience - Life as a Rockies fan, one day at a time: Because we're all still recovering from those nine blown saves.

by Franchise26 on Jun 6, 2009 1:12 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm throwing a flag

for “you never played the game.”

I think you’re right on the issue, but boy do I hate that line.

by FooMan on Jun 6, 2009 1:17 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're right, that's a bad job by me

But I was having trouble trying to explain why a retaliatory beanball makes such perfect sense to me, and that’s what I fell back on.

I wish I could edit that out. God, that’s lame.

Staying on the sunny side of Blake Street since 1993.
The Shawn Chacon Experience - Life as a Rockies fan, one day at a time: Because we're all still recovering from those nine blown saves.

by Franchise26 on Jun 6, 2009 2:10 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't worry...

… in a sense, it was true, as I have never played truly competitive baseball (quit after we won the championship in middle school).

by WolfMarauder on Jun 6, 2009 2:15 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've played.

But only for fun, not for some sort of magical competitive vindication.

“If you’re a competitor who has been shown up or disrespected, you have to show that you’re not going to tolerate that kind of crap.”

Sounds a bit Mafioso to me… “what did you do to deserve such disrespect?” I’ve been disrespected by many people, for many reasons, in competition, and outside of it. Sorry to say I’ve never once felt the urge to retaliate, because I understand it to be futile (subjectively). I’m not afraid to hold a grudge, but I don’t let it make me look like an idiot.

Your analogy is a bit faulty to me, for one because the one time I was spanked, as a kid I freaked out kicked my mother in the face, and she never did it again (heh, talk about retaliation), and secondly, simply because spakning is another act that I laugh at., so maybe it does hold sway in a sense.

Clearly, you and I simply have different ways to approach the situation. But you can’t blame me for mocking it if I find it ludicrous. I accept your opinion, so don’t worry about me trying to change it. But I’m not making any promises of making fun of the situation if it happens tonight.

by WolfMarauder on Jun 6, 2009 1:36 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's part of the game

Football and basketball both call fouls for unsportsmanlike conduct, but baseball allows the players to work it out themselves (of course, the parties involved are likely to get suspended if it escalates too much). It’s a code that keep batters from showing up pitchers, pitchers from running their mouths, and cleets from leaving the dirt, and so on. It’s worked out pretty well thus far.

Ankiel deserves one right in the ribs, in my opinion.

by WanderingRoxFan on Jun 6, 2009 1:37 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Case in point, Holliday vs Cain in 2006

Holliday taking him deep was a lot more tnertaining than seeing a Giant get a ball to the head.

by WolfMarauder on Jun 6, 2009 1:44 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude, nobody's saying anything about a ball to the head.

A fastball at the head is wrong, wrong, wrong, no matter what. But a fastball in the ribs leaves a bruise and a message sent, and nothing else.

If de la Rosa had responded to Ankiel by throwing one at his dome I would have been the first one calling for him to be suspended. There’s a difference between trying to hurt a guy badly and just sending a message. And it’s about the two feet or so from a guy’s frontal lobe to a guy’s rib cage.

Staying on the sunny side of Blake Street since 1993.
The Shawn Chacon Experience - Life as a Rockies fan, one day at a time: Because we're all still recovering from those nine blown saves.

by Franchise26 on Jun 6, 2009 2:12 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

While a ball to the head is more dangerous...

… it all seems the same to me in terms of principal., A ball to the head is worse, a ball to anywhere is bad enough. Somebody might try to make the argument that throwing a ball at the back could accidentally lead to hitting him in the head. While it’s a stretch, I am legitimately curious: would your opinion change if somebody’s career was ruined because somebody tried to p[lunk him in the back, missed, and in a freak accident managed to blind him? Or is that too extreme/unlikely of a scenario to persuade you?

by WolfMarauder on Jun 6, 2009 2:17 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or, say he hit his target...

… but still broke a rib. How do you feel about that scenario?

by WolfMarauder on Jun 6, 2009 2:17 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I understand your argument

On Law & Order they’d call it “intent follows the bullet.”

I’m operating under a theory that a major league pitcher has good enough control of where they are throwing that they can hit a guy in the upper body (or the rear end, which might be the best place of all to hit a guy) when they want to.

To me, it would be no different than if you were trying to go up and in with an 0-2 pitch and it sailed towards eye level. Stuff happens. But I would trust a big league pitcher to not miss so drastically if they were trying to throw at a guy’s waist. (Well, maybe not all of them – I’d never let Daniel Cabrera throw at a guy, for one.)

Staying on the sunny side of Blake Street since 1993.
The Shawn Chacon Experience - Life as a Rockies fan, one day at a time: Because we're all still recovering from those nine blown saves.

by Franchise26 on Jun 6, 2009 2:24 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ultimately, I can empathize with the desire to defend your respect.

I still (again, subjectively) don’t see how plunking does this. In my viewpoint, it lowers my respect. it makes you appear weak, unable to control yourself. It’s not a matter of “gentlemanness”, more simply just weakness. Resorting to physical violence (of which this is a form, albeit a minor one) to prove a point is childish. Call me on a high horse if you want, but that’s the way it is for me.

If the Rockies want to punish Ankiel, do it in a gameplay sense, and I’ll be a lot happier.

You know, somebody on the Cardinals board made an curious point. He speculated that Ankiel wasn’t really interested in making DLR throw better pitches, he wondered if Ankiel knew that DLR had a fragile mindset, and was trying to get him ti lose concentration. Probably reading too much into it, but I thought it was an idea to ponder.

by WolfMarauder on Jun 6, 2009 2:30 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

If anybody would be an expert on fragile mindsets, it would be Rick Ankiel.

Staying on the sunny side of Blake Street since 1993.
The Shawn Chacon Experience - Life as a Rockies fan, one day at a time: Because we're all still recovering from those nine blown saves.

by Franchise26 on Jun 6, 2009 2:36 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

still gotta plug him….Come on Cookie!

But I bet he bats in front of Pulhols though to see if we dont do it…

Philosphically I see wolfs point, but when playing the game those gray areas become black and blue

Not saying we have to hit him, but a message must be sent…

besides baseball brawls are awesome…

ugggg, uggg caveman speak

by El Paso Jeff on Jun 6, 2009 3:23 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't blame Ankiel

He thought A-Fraud was pitching to him.

Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave

by Mondogarage on Jun 6, 2009 1:48 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

RE:Power Rankings

We spent all of last season and a third of this one waiting for the bats to come around. Its rough that around here two games is enough to stir hope-remember when we thought the team was coming around after the detroit series? Maybe they will start to hit but thinking Chris’ line of a .231 avg and a strike out rate around 25% of the time doesn’t sound promising. Carlos could be good-he’s been killing it at AAA but how many prospects have we seen fizzle in Denver.

Fox Sports’ take on the Rockies is harsh but that’s what an unbiased observer sees.

I took the hook on Gen R -lets wait and see.

InToddwetrust

by InToddwetrust on Jun 6, 2009 12:11 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

How many prospects have we seen fizzle in Denver?

It seems to me that Rockies hitting prospects have done well. Were you talking about the Avs?

I am also thinking that Iannetta’s bat, isn’t the problem—it’s above league avg and well above league avg for a catcher.

by FooMan on Jun 6, 2009 1:09 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder what he'd bring in return.

Teams probably see him as a 4th OF, though…not quite enough bat for a corner, not quite enough glove to start in CF. Nonetheless, Spilly is useful. It would be a bit of a bummer to trade him just to get rid of him (I hope that’s not what the team is thinking).

by FooMan on Jun 6, 2009 1:21 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's hard to tell what Spilly could bring back in a trade.

He is very cheap, and still team controlled for a while. He is a good character/team bat, but not a game changer. But he could be the player to turn a good team into a true contender.

Maybe one good prospect would do it. But he doesn’t need to be moved by the Rockies like other players, so we can sit and wait for a knockout deal.

by mkorpal on Jun 6, 2009 1:30 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no

We better get a pretty good freakin nasty arm for Spilly. Like, Beckett good. Or some 3B help. Let’s take Chipper. Longoria would be alright, too.

by Rockie4Ever on Jun 6, 2009 2:24 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

This just in...

Ryan Spilborghs traded to TB for Evan Longoria. Baseball world shattered, Rays fans rioting, No Complaints About Dan O’Dowd Ever Again

by WolfMarauder on Jun 6, 2009 2:26 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd miss Spilly, don't get me wrong

but that would be awesome. We’d have parades, and parties, and bars would be packed, Coors Field would be so full it would almost shatter. Best. Move. Ever.

by Rockie4Ever on Jun 6, 2009 2:29 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Most unrealistic move ever.,

Except maybe Matt Belisle for Evan Longoria.

by WolfMarauder on Jun 6, 2009 2:31 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kip Wells for Longoria.

"Don't tell me about the world. Not today. It's springtime and they're knocking baseballs around fields where the grass is damp and green in the morning and the kids are trying to hit the curve ball." -Pete Hamill

by Bryce on Jun 6, 2009 2:43 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dick Montfort for Longoria.

"Don't tell me about the world. Not today. It's springtime and they're knocking baseballs around fields where the grass is damp and green in the morning and the kids are trying to hit the curve ball." -Pete Hamill

by Bryce on Jun 6, 2009 2:46 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

That franchise would be cellar-dwellin' in no time!

"Don't tell me about the world. Not today. It's springtime and they're knocking baseballs around fields where the grass is damp and green in the morning and the kids are trying to hit the curve ball." -Pete Hamill

by Bryce on Jun 6, 2009 2:56 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd take a lot less than Longoria

Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for too many men on the field?
Author: Jim Bouton

by pedalpusher on Jun 6, 2009 3:04 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

RE: Fooman

Maybe fizzle is a bad choice of a word. Maybe prospects in our chain fail to live up to the hype I hear around here.

Franklin Morales: career record is 5-4 with an ERA of 4.5
Ubaldo Jimenez: Career record is three games under .500, ERA over 4
Barmes: .260 career avg, 35 HRs, OBP .304
Ianetta: .246 career avg

People will point at Morales’ games started and say there isn’t a large enough pool of games to judge from-true, and I’m glad we didn’t trade him for Snell but Morales could easily be De la Rosa 2.0. Ubaldo gives us a reason to love him for every reason to hate him. No surprise then that he’s a .500 pitcher.
 
Clint is Clint-homegrown so he should play all the time, right?

Finally, catcher is a position the Rockies haven’t been able to nail down since Joe Girardi..ok, maybe Brett Mayne ..but as a result anytime a catcher comes through with a mitt and a mask Rockies fans get overly excited. “Dreamy”?? Mauer could pull off Dreamy. Short, fat, and bald barely qualify as homely let alone dreamy. Then there’s that BA…

So again, maybe our prospects don’t fizzle in the sense that they get shown the door out of the Majors but even Tulo is doing his best Khalil Greene imitation. Meaning, fans of bad teams will cling to anything that offers a glimmer of hope whether that’s .500 pitchers or a hobbit with shin guards.

InToddwetrust

by InToddwetrust on Jun 6, 2009 4:23 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

To your examples, I say no no no and no

Morales was apparently injured last year and is very young. He had one great start this year and will be back soon. Hold up on judging him.
Forget W-L – Ubaldo’s on a losing team. He’s flat nasty, equipped with elite HR/9, K% and GB%. Keep in mind the Rockies only have a handful of seasons with a starter below 4 in ERA, so it’s violently unfair to say he has fizzled when he in fact has one of those.
Clint Barmes was never a big prospect. He has quite frankly overachieved expectations as is.
Don’t get so fixed on Iannetta’s average. Batting average is not close to the most important statistic to evaluate hitters. Look at OBP, SLG, OPS, wOBA, wRAA…anything will tell you he’s better than just above average.

None of those four fizzled

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 6, 2009 4:46 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

And to add to it

You need to also look at Hawpe, Holliday, Helton, Cook, and even Atkins before this year which are are great examples of prospects that the team has developed well.

by wolf213 on Jun 6, 2009 4:49 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some good points

Morales has been hurt, true, he just gives me that coulda-woulda-shoulda vibe that hard throwing lefty prospects give. There aren’t many for a reason. Love for him to heal nicely and contribute.

Ubaldo CAN be nasty but is often hurt by big innings. I’ll never doubt is talent, instead, I question his makeup. He’s soft and rattles easily. You are no doubt more versed in stats than I am but eventually if HR/9, K% and GB% were all that great it would translate into more wins and fewer big innings. I threw a no-hitter with him on Xbox which means as much statistically as the aforementioned measurements if you don’t win games.

You’re right, Clint is/was never hyped as much. I lumped him in as part of the Gen R movement. Huge heart but heart doesn’t hit.

I left Helton out because he was before Gen R-I am an undying Helton fan and couldn’t be convinced he isn’t the greatest.

Cook is a #3 at best. The hype surrounding him as the “Ace” of the staff is laughable. As I write this I’m sure he’ll no-hit the cards tonight. I don’t have time to look it up but I’d argue that he provides quantity-innings pitched but less quality. Just a thought though.

Atkins had a few good years-he’s sneaky good-I’d overlook him come fantasy time but look back at the end of the year and scratch my head wondering where that came from. Not that way anymore as you said.

Again, some good points-my logic is that if all these players were good-we would be good….waits for others to point at that month in 2007.. as it stands Gen R is mediocrity. But I hold catious optimism for the future.

InToddwetrust

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  5. Eric Young, Jr., 2B/CF
  6. Wilin Rosario, C
  7. Hector Gomez, SS
  8. Michael McKenry, C
  9. Rex Brothers, LHP
  10. Casey Weathers, RHP
  11. Chris Balcom-Miller, RHP
  12. Tim Wheeler, OF
  13. Charlie Blackmon, OF
  14. Samuel Deduno, RHP
  15. Nolan Arenado, 3B
  16. Brandon Hynick (traded to CWS), RHP
  17. Chris Nelson, SS/2B
  18. Juan Nicasio, RHP
  19. Cole Garner, OF
  20. Chaz Roe, RHP
  21. Kiel Roling, 1B
  22. Parker Frazier, RHP
  23. Delta Cleary, OF
  24. Darin Holcomb, 3B
  25. Shane Lindsay, RHP
  26. Matt Reynolds, LHP
  27. Mike Zuanich, OF
  28. Scott Robinson, OF
  29. Edgmer Escalona, RHP
  30. Ben Paulsen, 1B
updated 9/14/2009


Managers

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Staff

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