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Colorado Springs:

Monday L 2-3 

Eric Young Jr. homered and drove in a pair of runs. The next infielder that hits the DL for the Rockies (or otherwise gets moved off the roster) will probably precede Young's MLB debut. Young was picked off first by Gio Gonzalez, who pitched well enough to hold the Sky Sox at bay for the victory.

Sunday L 4-6

Brandon Hynick and the Sky Sox would like a do-over of the first inning from Sunday, please, because after being outscored 6-0 in that frame, they righted the ship, just not enough. Mark Bellhorn homered, Chris Iannetta and Matt Miller doubled in the loss.


Tulsa:  

Monday L 2-8

Esmil Rogers had his worst start of the season, getting shelled for thirteen hits, including four for extra bases, in five and two thirds innings. The first inning was particularly bad, as six of the first seven batters were able to record hits off of him. He settled down for the next four innings before running into more trouble in the sixth.

Sunday L 1-6

Keith Weiser had similar first inning issues to Hynick on Sunday and Rogers on Monday, giving up three runs in the first frame, which given the Drillers anemic offense was enough to take the loss even without the other three runs tacked on.


Modesto:  

Sunday L 5-6

Rhadames Nazario had a pair of hits, scored twice and drove in two. Wilin Rosario also had three hits and a walk. He has been overmatched so far as an extremely young hitter for the Cal League, which has been somewhat expected and shouldn't be held too much against him. As far as his offensive work is concerned, I'm mostly curious how he'll adjust in the second half. For those wondering why he's even at Modesto where his bat would be expected to underperform in the first place, it's mostly because Jerry Weinstein wrote the book on catching instruction. Well, actually starred in the video, but close enough.


Asheville:  

Monday W 4-2

Scott Robinson, Jordan Pacheco, Jimmy Cesario and Christian Friedrich have been named to the South Atlantic League South division All-Star team

Parker Frazier had one of his best, if not his best outing of 2009, pitching seven innings and striking out eight on his way to the victory. Tyler Massey and Kiel Roling each continued to match each other for the second straight day, both had two hits both homered. For Roling it was his fourth home run on the season, for Massey, his second.

On May 15th, I took a look at the struggles the Rockies young position player prospects were going through at Asheville, and at the time it appeared that our young and talented but raw players weren't measuring up to what we were seeing comparable players from other organizations achieving. Since then, Delta Cleary took off, but now signs are emerging that Tyler Massey is as well. Here's an updated chart to compare how the two outfielders are stacking up with similar players from other organizations:

Name Age Org. AVG OBP SLG
Anthony Gose 18 Phillies .255 .311 .375
Zach Collier 18 Phillies .220 .274 .317
Isaac Galloway 19 Marlins .286 .325 .442
Xavier Avery 19 Orioles .293 .332 .383
Tyler Massey 19 Rockies .236 .267 .328
Delta Cleary 19 Rockies .262 .316 .447

 

Galloway's injured, which puts his development on hold and his numbers therefore have a bit more sample size issues than the others. Cleary's tear actually has him at least on a par with the best of these, although his power still seems a bit McCormick Field inflated right now. One major positive for the Rockies pair is that they are the only two players from the above chart to have K rates under 20%. In the long run, this gives them a leg up at sustaining their production at higher levels. Right now, it's just a matter of getting that production to a point where we could really be excited about them.

The fact that none of these young prospects are putting up really impressive numbers could be a telling sign that the quality and age of the SAL is trending higher. There are a deep pocketed, high school draft oriented teams such as the Red Sox, Phillies, Braves and the two New York teams that push the average age down by loading in their teenage prospects, but since many teams have bacome budget conscience in the draft, one big ramification seems to be a lot more collegiate level prospects in the SAL than used to be the case. That could be good news for a player like Kiel Roling, and make his numbers more impressive than we'd usually be inclined to give him credit for. Still, this isn't too different from the case last season when you had a half dozen teenagers on the SAL's top 20 leaderboard for wOBA. This season there isn't even one. It might just be that this is a bad teenager crop all around.

Sunday L 8-10

Cleary homered, Massey and Roling each had three hits in the loss. 

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I didn’t mean headline 2 font, sorry they’re so big.

by Rox Girl on Jun 9, 2009 8:32 AM MDT reply actions  

Fixed?

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 9, 2009 8:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yep.

I went back and edited right after I posted and saw my mistake.

by Rox Girl on Jun 9, 2009 8:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

That sure is a lot of L's

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 9, 2009 8:34 AM MDT reply actions  

Doom or Junior?

Who do you think will be called up first?

- CDI is 2nd to Matt Murton on the Sky Sox in OPS hitting a dreamy 1.078

- EY Jr. has more HR’s than Mike McCoy, Christian Colonel, Daniel Ortmeier and the mighty :C

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by Charlie77 on Jun 9, 2009 8:40 AM MDT reply actions  

If you call up EYJ, what do you do with Barmes?

I’d say Barmy has earned the 2nd base position for the foreseeable future.

Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for too many men on the field?
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by pedalpusher on Jun 9, 2009 8:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

I agree...

EY2 would be the utility player at that point. The real issue is with Atkins, who needs to get traded so there are enough utility AB’s to make it worth our while to call Young.

by Rox Girl on Jun 9, 2009 8:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

you DFA Q

and EYJ is a bench player getting sub starts.

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 9, 2009 8:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

EY jr would make a good 8 hole hitter IMO..

harassing the pitcher on base. Going from first to third on a sacrifice bunt, that kind of stuff.

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by Charlie77 on Jun 9, 2009 8:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

I agree

I’m just directly responding to pedalpusher’s question: Barmes has earned the job, in both aspects of the game, and there’s no reason to uproot him. I’d uproot Tulo first if we HAD to give EYJ time.

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 9, 2009 8:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

Would you consider trading Tulo?

I would if the return would significantly help the club. Of course the Denver Post posters would scream blood murder.

Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for too many men on the field?
Author: Jim Bouton

by pedalpusher on Jun 9, 2009 8:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

Would we actually get the return, is the thing

I’m sure more than one exec is seeing “Berroa/Crosby v 2.0”

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 9, 2009 9:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think the return for him would be far better than Matt was.

he’s under contract, younger and has a stellar glove. I’m certain he’d garner a fair amount of interest if his name was floated out there. And I think we’ve seen DOD thinks highly of our parts and looks for top return when considering most trades.

Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for too many men on the field?
Author: Jim Bouton

by pedalpusher on Jun 9, 2009 9:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

so we'd be back to Barmes at SS and EYJ at 2B

We’d have to bank on Nelson or Gomez making some big steps

Matt Murton status: Prisoner Exchanged for Fredo
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Seth Smith status: Badass
Mike McCoy status: FREE MIKE MCCOY

by Andrew Martin on Jun 9, 2009 9:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm assuming if we are talking about trading Tulo

we are talking about giving the SS job to Barmie. I’m not sure if this is a long term plan or not, but I’m not sold on that at all. I understand Barmie should not be pulled from the starting 2B job right now, but he is a very streaky player and giving him the SS job and trading Tulo after a good month is very dangerous IMO. He has never had an OPS higher than Tulo’s rookie season and I don’t think is on the level defensively that Tulo is. He has been great for us this season, but I would not be ready to hand the SS job to Barmie and send Tulo packing yet.

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by smokinRox on Jun 9, 2009 9:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

Obviously it would depend on the return. But this thing is going to be won with pitching and defense.

And if you give up Tulo’s glove, you’d better get one whale of a good pitcher in return. But if that happened, it would be something that would have to be considered.

Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for too many men on the field?
Author: Jim Bouton

by pedalpusher on Jun 9, 2009 9:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

I have trouble seeing anyone give up a prized arm or prospect for Tulo

His defense has regressed considerably, and even though it is largely due to injury, there’s no telling whether he’ll get back to his 2007 sparkling form. And there’s plenty of grumbles around the league that he signed his contract at the right time and may be a flash in the pan. Some thought Holliday was a risk due to the Coors Effect – Tulo would be a significantly larger risk due to unpredictability. Even we don’t know what kind of player he’ll be in the next couple years, in the same uni and ballpark. I just can’t see getting a worthwhile return

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 9, 2009 9:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

Tulo hasn't had an OPS higher than his rookie season either

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 9, 2009 9:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

yeah in a shortened injury plagued 2nd season and 2 months

I’m not ready to call a 24 year old w/ barely 2 seasons under his belt a bust yet. I understand those numbers he put up were 2007, they were still better than any season Barmie has had.

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by smokinRox on Jun 9, 2009 10:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

oh I know

I haven’t given up on him either, I’m just kind of being a pain/devil’s advocate

He’s honestly in the back of my mind anymore because he’s been so stinky and we have other guys I’d rather watch right now, if that makes sense.

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by Andrew Martin on Jun 9, 2009 10:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

Tulo

Through May 13, Tulo was hitting .240/.344/.462, including .295/.373/.545 for the month of May.

You’ll recall that he was hit in the hand with a pitch on May 13.

After that, from May 14 until he had to sit out with the swollen hand June 2nd: .180/.250/.246

Basically what I’m saying is that he was starting to round into form until he played through the hand injury and it derailed him pretty significantly. I like that he’s a gamer, but it really ruined his numbers. He’s going to hit the rest of the way, trust me.

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by Franchise26 on Jun 9, 2009 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think so too

I think Tulo will go on a tear. I do agree that I’ve turned my attention to watching Stew and CarGo lately, and still an eye on Fowler more often than Tulo’s AB’s, but I still love Tulo. I can’t wait to get reaquainted w/ Iannetta too.

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by smokinRox on Jun 9, 2009 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

it's funny

Barmes seems to do the same thing, improve, heat up, FREAK INJURY, flat

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Mike McCoy status: FREE MIKE MCCOY

by Andrew Martin on Jun 9, 2009 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

Our young SS are weird that way

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by jrockies on Jun 9, 2009 1:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

While I've been very critical of Q's position on the club

I will give Tracy credit for using him more like a utility/defensive/pinch runner should be used, unlike the previous manager. And does EYJ have the versatility to play three infield positions?

Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for too many men on the field?
Author: Jim Bouton

by pedalpusher on Jun 9, 2009 8:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

not at all

But Barmes does. Thing is, we don’t NEED him to have 3 position versatility. Atkins just became the Corner IF sub, Barmes can hold down the MI, making room for EYJ.

We don’t need every guy on our bench to be able to play 8 positions – not that you’re saying we do – because then we focus on guys who actually kind of suck but because they can play 8 positions, pitch, and sell hot dogs, we figure we need 4 of them on the roster, and then none of them get playing time because they’re all popcorning around the infield/outfield and nobody gets in a groove.

Barmes starting is smart for the time being.

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Chris Iannetta status: Mashing AAA
Seth Smith status: Badass
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by Andrew Martin on Jun 9, 2009 8:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

I was thinking of Q's abilities and not Atkins.

But what you say about Barmy makes sense that he could be moved around if the situation arose. The only thing I wouldn’t do with him is move him out of the 2 hole.

Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for too many men on the field?
Author: Jim Bouton

by pedalpusher on Jun 9, 2009 8:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

Do we push Rosario back to Asheville?

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Chris Iannetta status: Mashing AAA
Seth Smith status: Badass
Mike McCoy status: FREE MIKE MCCOY

by Andrew Martin on Jun 9, 2009 8:40 AM MDT reply actions  

No need to...

Like I said, the main reason he’s at Modesto is for defensive help from Weinstein. Eventually the bat will catch up, probably in the second half of this season. He’s out of his league, but over the Garrett Atkins line, which implies that he isn’t getting hurt by facing the tougher pitching and it’s probably actually helping him acclimate.

by Rox Girl on Jun 9, 2009 8:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm always concerned

about young players being overmatched and being frustrated and losing confidence in their swings. Thoughts?

Matt Murton status: Prisoner Exchanged for Fredo
Chris Iannetta status: Mashing AAA
Seth Smith status: Badass
Mike McCoy status: FREE MIKE MCCOY

by Andrew Martin on Jun 9, 2009 8:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

That's why I think he bears watching, but he doesn't seem to be at that level

If he was well below .200 and didn’t have days like Sunday to hang on, than I would be more in your camp. Right now he’s hitting just enough to justify being there without a real big worry about him losing confidence. Plus, he had a rough season in Casper when he first came stateside and bounced back from it, so I’m more inclined to think that he wouldn’t see a slump in Modesto as a huge deal yet.

by Rox Girl on Jun 9, 2009 8:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

Oh it's not a camp so much as a concern

I don’t doubt he’d turn it around eventually, I’d hope anyhow, but his .297 BABIP along with the 9.6% LD (and 50.6% GB) make it look like he needs more than just a hot streak to get moving.

I don’t mean to light the torch and demand he get sent down, but if he’s really the guy that yourself and the scouts say he is, I’d really hate to see him get mechanically messed up or get inside his own head or something like that.

Matt Murton status: Prisoner Exchanged for Fredo
Chris Iannetta status: Mashing AAA
Seth Smith status: Badass
Mike McCoy status: FREE MIKE MCCOY

by Andrew Martin on Jun 9, 2009 9:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

It seems like if anything the Rox organization seems to do the opposite

we seem to keep guys at levels they are able to dominate or at least age wise need to be moved up. I think the Rox are very slow movers overall. I would also argue the point that not being challenged enough can be an issue for minor league players just like losing their confidence can be an issue. I’m not saying this w/ Rosario, I think he is right where he should be and hopefully he makes the adjustment in the 2nd half. I am just saying in general we seem to move players too slowly.

Although I do think confidence is very important in this game I do think sometimes we treat these guys w/ kid gloves. They better be able to handle a little failure or they shouldn’t be playing baseball.

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by smokinRox on Jun 9, 2009 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

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