Brad Hawpe Won't Start Allstar Game
Victorino gets the start instead for defensive purposes
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Victorino? What a joke!
The fans in the first vote didn’t vote him in……his peers didn’t vote him in……and yet he’s starting in the all star game. Nice going Manuel.
Manuel Only choose him because he's a phillie
This is bull. I mean who didn’t want to see Hawpe Play CF?
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I would laugh oh so hard to watch that
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 13, 2009 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions
It *is* bull. Manuel should have chosen Werth
Plus corner guy who can play CF. He’s like Spilly, except with 20 HR and with ability to steal bases.
Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!
Read the article.
Victorino is not a bad player, by the way.
Brad Hawpe playing CF: THAT would be a joke.
oh Victorino isn't bad by any stretch
But why isn’t, say Adam Dunn there? He’s had a monstrous 1st half. Or say Matt Kemp or Colby Rasmus? Nope, need to add yet another Phillie into there.
Because Adam Dunn would be even more hilarious in CF than Hawpe.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 13, 2009 1:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Yes he did
but Manual chose Werth over Dunn or Rasmus. Kemp could’ve been DQed on that account for being in the fan vote, but I’m sure he was eligible to be chosen.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 13, 2009 2:00 PM MDT up reply actions
yeah, pretty sure
I’m just grousing.
That said, there is absolutely no reason that the Phillies should be batting anybody NOT named Victorino in the leadoff spot. Victorino is awesome this year.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 13, 2009 2:03 PM MDT up reply actions
Last in...first up?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 13, 2009 3:12 PM MDT up reply actions
This just in
the American League has decided to use a DH tonight.
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by PioneerSkies on Jul 13, 2009 1:56 PM MDT up reply actions
DH in the HR Derby?
We’re REALLY pulling strings now
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 13, 2009 2:42 PM MDT up reply actions
Baloney
Put Braun in center. Why would Hawpe be the leading candidate over Ibanez and Braun?
This ASG is overrun by Phillies. Five of their starting lineup are in the game now, three starting. We should have voted in Kemp or Fat Ichiro.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 13, 2009 11:58 AM MDT reply actions
Well Manuel broke a rule too
Hawpe should be started because he had the most votes from his peers. I hate the Phillies now more then before.
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I hope they somehow call him on it
Because all this [profanity] nepotism is driving me nuts.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 13, 2009 12:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Sure
But the All-Star Game is frankly all about the fans, regardless of how much those fans know about baseball.
The fans have absolutely no business voting on the all star team.
It ends up being like voting for homecoming queen in high school. The most popular girl wins. Let the players and coaches pick. No media. no fans. Then the most deserving would make the team.
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i'm down the middle on this
If the game counts, let the managers pick and/or the players.
If it’s just silly and larry walker backwards helmet, let the fans vote.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 13, 2009 6:03 PM MDT up reply actions
That would be fair
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Let the people who know what they're doing vote for the NL team
The AL is a YankSox circus anyway, so let the “fans” vote. See who wins then.
Well let's be fair
The NL is a CubsPhills circus
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 14, 2009 9:05 AM MDT up reply actions
Which is
a pretty good representation of how much the “average fan” understands about baseball.
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I hope we face them in the first round in October
and sweep there asses out again. I wonder if ESPN would even cover it?
by cocainelips99 on Jul 13, 2009 1:13 PM MDT up reply actions
This just in: Phillies lose
“They just didn’t bring their hustle”
“We weren’t swinging the bats, making our pitches. It just wasn’t our series”
No details have emerged yet as to who will be advancing to the NLCS, but the Phillies clearly outplayed themselves, yet find themselves going home.
In unrelated news, an MLB probe is being set up to investigate the Umpiring crew from the NLDS.
“…there’s just no way a team like Philadelphia doesn’t win that series,” said commissioner Bud Selig from his boat off of the coast of Key Largo. “The large markets are simply more dedicated to winning. Just look at their payrolls!”
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 13, 2009 1:44 PM MDT up reply actions
You think?
He’s more athletic and has more range
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 13, 2009 1:13 PM MDT up reply actions
yeah, he apparently has more range than Dexter Fowler, even...
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 13, 2009 1:45 PM MDT up reply actions
Ryan Braun might be a defensive dolt
but I see Raul Braun is starting in right. Maybe he’s better on defense?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 13, 2009 2:05 PM MDT up reply actions
that's just a magical mix of names right there
Yuniesky Uggla
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 13, 2009 2:15 PM MDT up reply actions
More evidence that the ASG is an absolute joke.
"DAMMIT! No, calm down. Learn to enjoy losing." --Hunter S. Thompson
Well
an OF of Ibanez, Hawpe, and Braun would be really funny to watch!
Start Seth Smith! Free Eric Young Jr.!
yeah but they'd have about 14 hits in the game
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During Sunday’s game Drew and George were talking about the fact that one year (I don’t have the year and I am at work so I do not have time to look it up) Hank Golberg had over 100 RBI at the break and did not make the all-star game. Probably anti-Semitism in effect, but they also brought up the point that the manager of the ASG that year was his manager and he did not want to take to many of his own guys. So the way I see it one of two things has happened.
1. It is now OK to discriminate against white guys from Texas. I have no clue what Hawpe’s religion is and really don’t care, but straight white guys, preferably from Texas, are the only people it is PC to discriminate against so maybe we are onto something here.
2. The tabu of loading up the ASG roster with guys from your team is now history.
I am leaning toward 2 being the answer, but wonder about 1.
What if the hokey pokey is what it is all about after all????
Before we get into a big discussion about discrimation
I totally ment this as a joke.
What if the hokey pokey is what it is all about after all????
Oops sorry
Go to worried about the joke and screwed up the facts… all-star break for me also and I did not make the team…
What if the hokey pokey is what it is all about after all????
The NL lineup is weak
Victorino and Molina are 7&8? When they’ve got Longoria and Aaron Hill there My hopes for a long-awaited NL win are dwindling. Prediction AL 10, Phillies 4
I ree-hee-heeally hope they can get McCann in behind the plate ASAP
Screw Yadi
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 13, 2009 1:46 PM MDT up reply actions
I agree Dr. Cox
I know McCann started a little slow with the vision issues, but he is probably the best all around catcher in the NL.
What if the hokey pokey is what it is all about after all????
NL?
Absolutely
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 13, 2009 6:03 PM MDT up reply actions
yea seriously
we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE
by TuLoRocks2008 on Jul 13, 2009 2:58 PM MDT up reply actions
We can probably make one
I may be in multiple places posting, however
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 13, 2009 1:55 PM MDT up reply actions
What about a HR derby thread?
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by PioneerSkies on Jul 13, 2009 1:57 PM MDT up reply actions
It'll be up at 5:30 MDT
and I believe there will be an ASG thread tomorrow as well
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 13, 2009 2:02 PM MDT up reply actions
awesome
I expect hilarious comments from everybody
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 13, 2009 2:03 PM MDT up reply actions
i'm in school
but I might try
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by Russ Oates on Jul 13, 2009 2:17 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
No need to be sorry.
That comment was more of my lame humor.
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by Russ Oates on Jul 13, 2009 2:43 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
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by ShadowPenguin on Jul 13, 2009 2:34 PM MDT up reply actions
This is not the first thing Manuel has got wrong.
Take, for instance, who he pegged to start:
Lincecum: 2.33 ERA, 1.05 WHIP, 2.40 BB/9, 4.38 K/BB, .217 AVG (against)
D. Haren: 2.01 ERA, 0.81 WHIP, 1.11 BB/9, 8.06 K/BB, .195 AVG (against)
Don’t be surprised when Pujols and Braun get pulled in the 2nd inning for Howard and Werth. Lord help me, I might have to root for the American League.
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Not when we're in contention for a pennant still you won't
Timmy has a been W-L and the CY you know ;-). Seriously, both are dominant. Haren has been better, yes, but as long as they get equal innings, I’m cool with it
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 13, 2009 2:41 PM MDT up reply actions
If I didn't have Tim on one of my fantasy teams, I'd hope for him pitching 14 innings/298 pitches and be done for the year.
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Re Haren, from Stark
He is the first pitcher in baseball history, according to the Elias Sports Bureau, to go into the All-Star break leading the majors in these four categories (ERA, WHIP, K/BB, oppOBP) at his current levels.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 13, 2009 3:05 PM MDT up reply actions
I sort of agree
because I’m a Haren fanboy, but Lincecum isn’t a bad pick to start
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 13, 2009 6:04 PM MDT up reply actions
Lincecum is also last year's Cy Young and was sick for the All-Star Game.
It’s probably neat for him to be able to start.
UGH.....
Haren’s WHIP: 0.81
Other pitchers in the majors with a WHIP below 1: 0
If that’s not good enough to start in the ASG, then I don’t know what is.
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Haren also has
a better strand rate and a lower BABIP against FWIW.
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by PioneerSkies on Jul 14, 2009 4:22 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, of course.
He’s not going to have a 2.01 ERA the entire season. He’ll regress some.
But he’s had a much better first half of the season, pitching in one of the most hitter-friendly parks in the majors, than Timcecum has pitching in AT&T.
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Why does the all-star game have to be based solely on who had the best 3 months?
As that’s pretty much Haren’s argument over Lincecum. If you include previous history, and rest-of-season projections (which would take account of both previous history and the 3 months of this year), Lincecum makes a very good case.
Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!
Because
it’s the “2009 All-Star Game”, not the “2008 All-Star Game, Played In 2009”. Also, Lincecum’s “previous history” is basically all of 2 seasons…. when you select players based on reputation, then you get situations like Raffy Palmeiro winning a Gold Glove for playing DH.
Haren’s been better this season, in an extreme hitter’s park, at preventing baserunners and preventing runs. That’s the pitcher’s job.
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I would like to join in solidarity with you Rockies’ fans regarding the All-Star game. Charlie Manuel has managed to anger both our fan bases (Dodgers for not choosing Kemp to replace Beltran, despite MLB pushing him to do so; and now this with Hawpe).
I understand the need to have a “real” CF starting the game, but per the rule Hawpe had the highest player vote among the non-starting OF, so he should be starting. Who cares if someone is out of position for a few innings? Is it really that bad of a thing?
Down with the Phillies, and Charlie Manuel.
Dodgers and Rockies fans unite!
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 13, 2009 3:03 PM MDT up reply actions
I think he's still upset we swept them in 07
by ShadowPenguin on Jul 13, 2009 3:09 PM MDT up reply actions
There are still some embers left on that fire, yes. :)
by Eric Stephen on Jul 13, 2009 3:17 PM MDT up reply actions
Just about all of the NL West
has some beef with the Phillies/Manuel. Dbacks fans wanted Haren to start tomorrow. Giants fans wanted Kung Fu Panda in ahead of Victorino. Any lurking Padres fans want to chime in?
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by PioneerSkies on Jul 13, 2009 3:48 PM MDT up reply actions
D-Backs wanted Reynolds over Victorino
Same for Kemp over Victorino and Werth. The Padres should be happy with two AllStars and one in the HR derby
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 13, 2009 3:54 PM MDT up reply actions
I'd be
less upset about Reynolds not making it if 1. he weren’t 2nd in the majors in home runs, and 2. Sandoval had made it in instead. But Shane Freaking Victorino??
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Agree on both counts
but less on the first. HR are great, but he should find another tool
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 15, 2009 2:09 AM MDT up reply actions
Well,
he’s also 8th in the NL in steals and top five in both XBHs and RBIs.
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I didn’t even think about that. Good point.
Maybe Padres fans will be mad if Gonzalez and Bell don’t see playing time, just to complete the vicious cycle.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 13, 2009 4:00 PM MDT up reply actions
With Ryan Howard on the roster
I’d say there’s a good chance Adrian doesn’t get the playing time he deserves.
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by PioneerSkies on Jul 13, 2009 5:18 PM MDT up reply actions
How I'd set it up
Pujols – 3 innings
Adrian – 2
Prince – 2
Howard – 1, and if he doesn’t get to bat, too bad. Or maybe pinch hit him. 4th on the depth chart at 1B shouldn’t be getting much of an appearance.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 13, 2009 5:24 PM MDT up reply actions
How Manuel will probably set it up
Pujols – 1 inning
Howard – 8 innings
Adrian and Prince – pinch hitters, if he runs out of Phillies…
by Junction Rox on Jul 13, 2009 11:28 PM MDT up reply actions
this is sort of what i'm concerned about
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 14, 2009 7:01 AM MDT up reply actions
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