Wednesday Rockpile: Rockies Fans, Welcome Your AL Overlords
Death, Taxes, and the AL winning the MLB All-Star Game. For the last 13 years at least, these three things in life have been certain. As a result of their 4-3 victory last night, the AL will have home-field advantage in the World Series, which Tim Keown thinks is just the dumbest idea in sports history. Jayson Stark has more on the streak.
Not that Brad Hawpe and the NL didn't put up a good fight. Only Carl Crawford, the MVP of the game, could keep Hawpe from hitting a tie-breaking home run leading off the seventh, but alas, the Tampa Bay left-fielder showed off his mad hops and stole the night's glory from the unassuming Texan.
Hawpe also struck out in the ninth inning on a borderline pitch from Mariano Rivera. Meanwhile, the Rockies' other All-Star, right-handed pitcher Jason Marquis, warmed up in the ninth inning but never did enter the game. Don't cry too much for Jason though. He made a cool $75,000 (Hawpe made $25,000) for his Midsummer Classic trip. That's not to say that they aren't spreading the joy:
They are sharing the wealth, treating more than 35 family members this week who were at the game, along with bringing back presents for teammates. The pair bought 30 bats and 50 All-Star Game shirts for the Rockies players, and Marquis purchased game jerseys for all the coaches, trainers and clubhouse staff.
"Maybe they will use it to wipe their hands," joked Marquis, a former Cardinal who received warm applause when introduced. "But I want them to know how much they are appreciated. They helped us get here."
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Tracy Ringolsby poses this question: Do the Rockies have what it takes offensively?
My take is that the Rockies have the personnel to have a dangerous lineup, with consistent power and patience, though they have tended to slump all at once and haven't been great at playing their best players (Carlos Gonzalez over Seth Smith being the most egregious example of this). Bottom line though, I believe that the Rockies do have enough in the tank for another deep run into October.
One avenue of offensive success that I hadn't previously considered is good baserunning--but luckily, Beyond the Boxscore has. Sky Kalkman opines that the Rockies have the best baserunning in MLB, good for 14 runs above average (or 1.4 extra wins)--four more runs above the next highest team (Florida). Considering that last year Minnesota led the league with 16.1 RAA, this number really is spectacular.
Note that these numbers are for live baserunning only, eliminating stolen bases and caught stealing from the equation as they are already included in most other run scoring metrics. Here's the individual rankings by team.
I was mildly surprised by this ranking (especially by the fact that Clint Barmes was rated our top baserunner) but it looks like this team is taking full advantage of getting on base. As Kalkman says, it's another talking point in the "Rockies-for-the-playoffs" campaign.
Finally, Baseball America writes about two Rockies prospects in their Daily Dish, Jhouyls Chacin and Esmil Rogers (no subscription required). There's a lot of good stuff in the article about two of the Rockies' top pitching prospects.
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Pedro Martinez
to the Phillies. Signed him early today. I can’t wait to hear the pundits say “OH THIS MOVE PUTS THEM OVER THE EDGE FOR LIFE!?”
Yeah. After all,
the Phillies have like 5 All-Stars on their team!
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streak.....
What I find amazing about the streak is that baseball isn’t usually that predictable. The worst teams still manage to win over 30% of their games. You put the Red Sox up against the Nationals (or even put your MLB club up against your AAA club) for 13 straight games and the Nationals would likely win at least a few games off them.
Tim Lincecum
seemed to agree that Danny Haren should have started the game, and went out of his way to prove it.
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was the radar gun on TV messed up or
was Lincecum really throwing only 85 mph fastballs?
by cocainelips99 on Jul 15, 2009 9:32 AM MDT up reply actions
That doesn't sound right to me,
but I really don’t know.
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My bro-in-law noticed the same thing
he said he was topping out at about 91 and I am wondering if he is hurt, or if he was determined not to hurt himself during the game and dialed it down a notch.
It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.
The gun was odd in that game for Lincecum
It varied widely from what MLB gameday’s gun read with Lincecum. I watched it pretty close for an inning or so. A couple pitches were just flat wrong (that is, off by 10mph or more). The readings for Halladay’s pitches were much closer.
I didn’t really pay attention to see if this persisted for other pitchers.
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I don't think it was messed up.
I think Lince was trying not to over exert himself for the regular season. As a result, he was throwing up and slow instead of low and fast.
by Greg Stanwood on Jul 15, 2009 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Good thing
Manuel chose HIM to be the starter.
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by DbacksSkins on Jul 15, 2009 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions
There was a big difference between the Fox and Gameday guns for Lincecum
And less of a difference for Halladay. Something weird was going on.
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Having been trained in how to use GameDay...
… the application operator is supposed to use the measurements made from the park’s default gun. Unless Fox installed their own special gun for this game, or the operator was altering the numbers, those numbers should have been the same.
That is indeed weird.
by Greg Stanwood on Jul 15, 2009 1:12 PM MDT up reply actions
Lincy was short-stepping on his extension...
and his release point was sooner than normal. That’s why his pitches were so high, wild and slower. His pitch that hit Jeter was scary. Fortunately it hit a Yankee.
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I wonder what pct of Jeter's HBP's are on the hands
He gets busted inside a lot and seems to get hit in the hands a lot as a result. It’s amazing he’s never lost time due to a broken bone. The Red Sox must hit him on the hands/wrist/forearm once a season.
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I was listening on the radio at that point since I was still on my way home
and Dave Campbell and whoever else he was broadcasting with brought up this same point. He does get hit on the hands a lot (it sounded like a combination of getting pitched inside, and him tending to dive over the plate a bit). They decided he must have superhuman bones in his hands.
Nice Article on Rodgers and Chacin
good to hear how guys in the minors are progressing.
Start Seth Smith! Free Eric Young Jr.!
Yes and I like the comment from an AL scout calling them the 2 best in the Texas League
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This quote from the article was stamped with the RMN seal of approval..
“Chacin puts a little added pressure on himself and thinks he needs to win games to look good, but that’s not the case for me. Everyone wants to win, but winning at the Double-A level is not the most important thing.”
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what?
Chris Iannetta status: DOOM
Seth Smith status: FREE SETH SMITH
Matt Murton status: Prisoner Exchanged for CarGon
Mike McCoy status: FREE MIKE MCCOY
by Andrew Martin on Jul 16, 2009 9:00 AM MDT up reply actions
He shouldn't be concerned with winning at the minor league level..
Chacin should be working on developing his pitches, amirite?
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ohhhh ok
you lost me for a minute there.
I guess he needs to learn the competitive spirit and all that jazz, but yeah, get that changeup biting.
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Matt Murton status: Prisoner Exchanged for CarGon
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 16, 2009 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions
Someone made a good comment in the BtB baseruning thread...
that the larger ballparks seems to have better-ranked baserunning teams. Makes sense, and would be cause for some park adjustments. Still, though, +14 runs? Nice.
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It's definitely a point of consideration...
singles become doubles in the vastness of Coors, allowing baserunners to take that extra base more easily. But like you said, +14 runs is still quite a bit. More ammo for our propaganda train.
Eschew Obfuscation!
by Jeff Aberle on Jul 15, 2009 10:27 AM MDT up reply actions
The difference in the all star game
Was Crawford making the catch that Upton couldn’t…. I was surprised that the announcers never mentioned it, but Granderson’s hit was in the exact same spot as Hawpe’s. I realize Upton was probably protecting the line and shading in a little more for a contact hitter like Granderson but if Upton had judged it right and ran straight to that ball he would’ve caught it. That’s why Crawford got MVP.
Yeah, I noticed that too
Also, I think if Hawpe hit’s that homer, not only does the NL win, but Hawpe is named MVP.
by GoldenNugget on Jul 15, 2009 10:35 AM MDT up reply actions
Hasn't Upton been playing RF this year?
LF and RF aren’t that different and should take a short time to adjust to a move between them, but if that was Upton’s first batted ball in LF in a while, I could see him misplaying the spin, which appears to be what he did.
Or maybe not and his routes to balls are always suspect.
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by Sky Kalkman on Jul 15, 2009 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions
That was
literally the first he’s played LF since he was called up to the majors in 2007. Baseball-Reference confirms, he’s only ever played RF for us.
Remember, he was drafted 4 years ago as a 2B.
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by DbacksSkins on Jul 15, 2009 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions
In fact,
I was wondering why Charlie Manuel had him playing LF at all….
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by DbacksSkins on Jul 15, 2009 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions
Better than Hawpe being there?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 15, 2009 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions
Well,
Hawpe’s at least played there in his career.
(2 games in 2004)
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by DbacksSkins on Jul 15, 2009 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions
I'd wager Upton's athleticism trumps Hawpe's tiny experience
Helton played LF a couple times when he came up too
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 15, 2009 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions
Helton played LF?
Hmm, never knew that.
Then again, Adam Dunn played 1B for us a few times last year.
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by DbacksSkins on Jul 15, 2009 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions
I also wonder if the path of the ball was the same
Did Hawpe’s ball tail as much as Granderson’s?
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Should be next on the docket for hittrackeronline :) I didn’t get a good look at them. They are both LH hitters, so they would tend to tail similarly, at least more so than if one were RH
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 15, 2009 11:07 AM MDT up reply actions
Not every batted ball tails equally though, right?
That’s what I’m getting at. Granderson’s hit might have been more difficult to get a read on it.
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No definitely not the assertion I intended
Granderson’s could have tailed a great deal differently. Just suggesting that without seeing them clearly, it’s more likely that they had similar trajectories as LH batters than if they were on different sides. I have no idea their actually properties
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 15, 2009 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions
Gallarraga was in the way when he made his 1997 debut
Helton made 12 errorless starts in left and even had two assists.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 15, 2009 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions
I was at one of Todd's starts in LF in 97, pre-beard..
He looked ackward, like if Garret Atkins was forced to play center field. So 500x better than Upton.
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I was
actually somewhat surprised that Manuel didn’t have Upton play CF at all, since that’s what he played all through the minors, and the NL had a dearth of CFs. (They had…. well, Shane Victorino)
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by DbacksSkins on Jul 15, 2009 11:00 AM MDT up reply actions
I surmised that as a large possibility as well
I think a few other managers, if forced to replace Hawpe with a bench OF to play center, would have chosen Upton to start in CF over Victorino.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 15, 2009 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions
But..... but!
Upton’s not a Philly!
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by DbacksSkins on Jul 15, 2009 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions
I know
Don’t let the Phillies win the pennant
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 15, 2009 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions
They're a Philadelphia team.
They shouldn’t ever be allowed to win anything anyway.
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by DbacksSkins on Jul 15, 2009 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions
And, checking the minor league stats....
Upton never ever played LF in the minors, either.
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by DbacksSkins on Jul 15, 2009 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions
Well,
*RF and DH.
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by DbacksSkins on Jul 15, 2009 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions
The NL is obviously under a heavy curse in the ASG
13 game streaks are ridiculous if the Nationals played the Dodgers. For this curse to be lifted, something has to happen in the NL’s favor that is so earth-shattering and blasphemous to the national baseball media that the curse is defeated.
Here’s to the Rockies winning the World Series in 2009
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 15, 2009 10:52 AM MDT reply actions
The Red Sox and Yankes switch leagues.
by Greg Stanwood on Jul 15, 2009 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions
I disapprove of this
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 15, 2009 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions
So do I.
But that’s what it would take for what you said to happen. :p
by Greg Stanwood on Jul 15, 2009 12:51 PM MDT up reply actions
The way Padres pitchers are blowing the ASG's recently
putting them in the AL might be the best way for the AL to lose
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 15, 2009 6:54 PM MDT up reply actions
With the way the NL West sans Haren pitched yesterday...
… I’m almost glad Street wasn’t selected, and Marquis didn’t pitch. QWe’d probably have been embarrassed.
Every NL West pitcher
not named Haren gave up run(s), and only NL West pitchers gave up runs.
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by DbacksSkins on Jul 15, 2009 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Let's concentrate on the positive:
We saw possibly the only All Star game we’ll ever see with NO CUBS in it.
by Greg Stanwood on Jul 15, 2009 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions
Yes. This.
As well it SHOULD be.
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by DbacksSkins on Jul 15, 2009 12:50 PM MDT up reply actions
Only NL West pitchers and future NL West pitchers gave up runs you mean...
I mean after Roy Halladay comes home, right?
..........
……………
..
……yeah, okay, let’s go with that.
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Padres pitchers have blown 3 of the past 4 ASG for the NL.
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Matt Murton status: Prisoner Exchanged for CarGon
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 15, 2009 1:42 PM MDT up reply actions
It's
the sheer shock of no longer pitching in PetCo.
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I will stop being mad at Carl Crawford soon
But not right now. Argh, I REALLY wanted that one.
I love Greg Reynolds. Deal with it, suckers.
so uh
hey guys i just kinda wandered over to PR when I got home out of habit and then i realized there was no baseball.
now i’m sad
The AAA All-Star game is on ESPN2
featuring Matt Murton, Matt Miller and EY2.
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by PioneerSkies on Jul 15, 2009 9:27 PM MDT up reply actions

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