Wednesday Rockpile: That Thing That Rolaids Spells...
by Jeff Aberle on Jul 22, 2009 7:44 AM MDT
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PrintLast night, the Rockies gave away an opportunity to go up 1.5 games in the Wild Card standings, as the bullpen had a large hand in squandering a three run lead to the Diamondbacks--ultimately losing 6-5.
This debacle came after calling up Ryan Speier to replace Joel Peralta yesterday, and it may be that the Rockies are not done shuffling their pen. How the Rockies should go about this has been a hot topic for the Purple Row community, with several FanPosts devoted to the issue.
Dave Krieger believes that games like last night increase the likelihood of the Rockies acquiring a set-up man to shore up the bullpen. He mentions George Sherrill (as has PR) and Rafael Betancourt as possibilities. Here's Krieger's conclusion:
Not wanting to mortgage the future is one thing. Not wanting to trade any prospects at all, even for the one piece that might get you into the postseason, is something else.
If the Rocks are serious about the wild-card race, they will go get a setup man in the next nine days. In games like Tuesday night's, baseball is showing them their weak link as clearly as it can.
I tend to disagree with Krieger and those saying that we need to add a bullpen arm through trade. Instead, I'm in the camp of Redhawk and others who believe that there is a homegrown solution to this problem. And contrary to this news bulletin, it's not Mike Timlin (though in the notes Jim Tracy confirms that Seth Smith is his starting left-fielder).
In my opinion, the Rockies' bullpen booster shot should be Esmil Rogers or Samuel Deduno--both starting pitching prospects who are putting up great numbers (Rogers in AA and AAA and Deduno in AA), have power arms, and are already located on the Rockies' 40 man roster. Are they the key to healing the Rockies' bullpen woes? Maybe not, but they're a better alternative to trading two top prospects for a middling reliever performing over his head (like Sherrill) or some of the pitchers the Rockies have been trotting out there recently (I'm looking at you, Joel Peralta, Randy Flores, and Matt Belisle--as well as current pitchers Ryan Speier, Matt Daley, and Josh Fogg).
Converting these guys from starters to relievers is much easier than the reverse, and has been a relative success in the case of Franklin Morales this year. Why have these power arms if you're not going to use them?
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Putting on my optimist hat:
We do still lead the NL Wild Card standings by 0.5 games--so we've got that going for us, which is nice. In addition, BP gives us a 60% chance at the playoffs while CBS ranks us 7th in their power rankings.
Finally, the Rockies' top Latin America signing, 16 year old shortstop (and $550,000 man) Rosel Herrera worked out at Coors Field and flashed his tools.
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Bullpen
I honestly think the answer is a combination of trading for a legit late inning reliever AND bringing up someone like Rogers. Until Corpas proves that 2007 wasn’t a fluke, we’re left praying our middle relief comes through. I don’t think we are 1 arm short, but likely at least 2 arms short in the pen.
Having a 6-7-8-9 as Rogers, Corpas, X (Qualls, Sherrill, Betancourt), Street….with Morales filling in as the lefty, puts us in a much better situation with Daley and Fogg as the other two arms in the pen.
Realitically, this team is a starter, bullpen arm & a legit LF bat away from really making noise in the playoffs. That may simply prove to be too much of a hurdle to really make the decision to “go for it” this year. Sure we may make the playoffs, but I think this current team would get rolled by either the Phillies or the Dodgers in a playoff series.
Future
I am not willing to damage our future a lot for a relief pitcher. I am willing to damage it a little. I like the idea of using a minor leaguer to come up, but not two.
by brian8065 on Jul 22, 2009 8:52 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
We have a shot at this NOW.
I’m not saying trade rogers trade chacin trade jimenez, I’m saying if you want to make an omelette, you have to break some eggs.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 8:53 AM MDT up reply actions
That's rediculous...
What if the Rockies had called up their two best pitching prospects in 2007? Then where would Ubaldo and Franklin Morales be now?
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I can feel the sarcasm, but i can’t tell which direction it’s going in.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions
Interesting thing about that
is they were brought up well out of a race out of necessity with no playoff race pressure until they had their feet fully soaked. Calling up Rogers/Deduno and saying “you are now our key to the playoffs” could be quite different. It could still be the best option, but not equivalent to 07
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 22, 2009 10:12 AM MDT up reply actions
plus Morales and Jimenez were brought up as SPs
When we seriously had none available.
Our young guys would have to transition to the pen – which may or may not be a bad thing.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 10:13 AM MDT up reply actions
IMO it would be a much easier transition
Eschew Obfuscation!
by Jeff Aberle on Jul 22, 2009 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions
ok, which starter gets the axe?
My answer would be Cook if we’re just picking the one who’s “worst” so far this season, and then Hammel, but he’s even worse in the pen than anyone else.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 8:48 AM MDT up reply actions
Hammel or JDLR
I like having one of them as a 5th starter but having both is risky. I don’t want either of them pitching in a playoff series. Hammel has been more hittable and JDLR has control & reliability problems. I personally think JDLR is a better fit in the bullpen.
JLDR has always had control problems
but his K9 has never been better his entire career. In fact, it’s 7th in the majors (amongst qualified starters). tRA puts him as one of our better pitchers, in fact, 2nd on the team behind Ubaldo Jimenez (Jimenez: 19.7 pRAA; DLR: 12.5; Marquis: 10.4 pRAA).
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 9:05 AM MDT up reply actions
dlr has struggled in the pen in his career
He has panicked with runners on base and put of the stretch. I’m not sure I like him in the pen. He is as electric as you’ll find for a 5th starter. Hammel is way better than expected, and the season he is having is being underappreciated as this has been the best rotation in franchise history. I understand your pause in a playoff series, but there are far more pressing needs for our resources IMO
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 22, 2009 9:05 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I disagree...
i think that the back-end of our rotation has been skating by. I just don’t see Marquis, Hammel and JDLR keeping up their pace over the entire 2nd half. I’m not willing to make that bet.
Hammel was garbage in the pen as well
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 9:17 AM MDT up reply actions
Rotatio
Our rotation is th envy of most of the rest of the league. It is very strong.
by brian8065 on Jul 22, 2009 9:18 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Really?
Other than Jimenez and possibly Cook, there isn’t anyone lining up trying to aquire one of our starters.
I’d take the Dodger’s rotation over ours any day of the week. Billingsley, Kershaw, Kuroda, Wolf > Jimenez, Cook, Marquis, JDLR (or Hammel).
We're competing
People know that we’re not gonna trade them away, we’re not in sell mode. That’s why you don’t have people lining up to buy them.
Just FTR, the Rockies have an adjusted tRA of 4.21, the Dodgers, 4.65.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 9:28 AM MDT up reply actions
I understand the stats.....
but that also assume that the Rockies starters maintain a pace that there’s no history of them being able to keep. Marquis, Hammel and JDLR have never proven they can perform like this over a full season or longer. To assume there is no regression or luck at play in the 1st half stats is false hope. I’m simply being realistic.
id be more worried about regression if i were a dodgers fan
I understand your worry, but I think we just have bigger fish to fry first
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 22, 2009 9:37 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
this this this
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 9:38 AM MDT up reply actions
But the Dodgers also play in a offensive suppressing ballpark
anyway, my point has been. I’m ok with our rotation looking like this in the regular season. I just don’t see us as a playoff series threat without improving
so is your issue the lack of omg ace or the back end then?
Because if you’re cool with this rotation for the regular season, recognize we only need the top three, maybe four, to start in a playoffs series
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 22, 2009 9:49 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
we have an ace....we don't have a #2
my whole point is a short 5 or 7 game playoff series. In the regular season, an inconsistant starter (JDLR) can get by. But I don’t trust him winning one game with the season on the line because you don’t know what you are going to get.
Realistically we have a #1/#2 in Jimenez. We have a #3 in Cook. We will be find with one guy from the Marquis/Hammel/JDLR group as the #4 pitchign 1 game in a playoff series. We don’t have another guy I’d trust pitchign twice in a playoff series.
We dont’ need an “OMG” ace. But we need someone > Cook who we can trust.
Well here's the thing
The playoffs are all about the short run. Everyone doesn’t suddenly turn into the PITCHER THEY REALLY ARE all of a sudden. If Marquis is still as solid as he’s been this season, bam, #2 starter right there.
Seriously though, our pitchers are all better than the Phillies’ pitchers. Hamels has barely been a #2, nevermind an Ace. Jimenez >> Hamels.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 9:54 AM MDT up reply actions
I agree about the Phillies
But I don’t think our rotation can stand up to the Dodgers or one of the AL Power Houses (Tampa/Boston/NYY) in a playoff series.
I disagree
our pitching matches up well and is equal to or better then every team in the league not named the Giants or Dodgers.
Start Seth Smith! Free Eric Young Jr.!
Which is what I said
I’m comfortable in the 1st round pitching matchup….but in the NLCS we’d face the Dodgers and the WS we’d face the AL East. I dont’ think our pitching (as currently built) can survive either of those two series without a lot of luck.
After Cain and Lincecum
We have their rotation smoked.
Yes, Sanchez Nono, I know. He’s still not that good.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 10:07 AM MDT up reply actions
BUT
SANCHEZ NO-HIT THE PADRES LOLZ!!!!!!!!!!!
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by DbacksSkins on Jul 22, 2009 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions
a couple of points
Cook isn’t our ace any more (and he never was really..which is your point). Jimenez is or becoming one.
You are correct in if the Rockies could get by some miracle Halladay, then it pushes every one else back one spot. You end up with a rotation of Halladay, Jiminez, Marquis, Cook and Hammel/JDLR.
That would be amazing rotation to have, it would be a GREAT rotation. I would love to have Halladay, and have said so for 3 years.
But our rotation now, isn’t a problem. It’s good. Maybe very good. It’s our Pen. If you have limited money..and your oven doesn’t work at all AND our dish washer makes noise, and leaves a little food on the plates, but you only have money for one…which do you fix? the one that is most broken…
In the Rockies case…that’s the Bull pen.
Start Seth Smith! Free Eric Young Jr.!
If given the choice
between making a run at Halladay and trying to improve the pen with Hammel/JDLR and callign up Rogers.
OR
keeping our rotation, trading for Sherrill and calling up Rogers.
I’m taking the 1st option. A single starter will help this team so much mroe than a single reliever can.
see now we've ventured into a different debate
I was debating under the assumption that we’d given up on Halladay.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 10:08 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure we have
or were never seriously in contention. The Phillies need Halladay more than anyone.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 22, 2009 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions
And can pay the prospect price
if the Phillies empty their minor league system of prospects, they can still round out their roster in the coming years by signing Free Agents. Same with the Yankees or the Mets. They don’t need their minor league system to provide players to the big league club.
The Rockies can’t.
Start Seth Smith! Free Eric Young Jr.!
Precisely
We could offer Toronto a bigger package, but it would hurt us more, even though it wouldn’t deplete the farm as much.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 22, 2009 10:14 AM MDT up reply actions
I disagree
We have the depth in prospects…..Gomez should be viewed as a trading chip with Tulo/Fowler/Stewart above him. We have a collection of mid-rotation SP prospects that can be dealt. We also have depth in catchers in the minor league system.
We can afford to pair up Gomez with an arm such as Chacin or Rogers and toss in a B level prospect or two.
I agree but
I’m not sure JP thinks that’s enough…his demands are crazy high.
you realize
that the Jays aren’t even close to that right?
They want Jimenez as the starting trade chip.
Start Seth Smith! Free Eric Young Jr.!
But they aren't going to get it
Call their bluff. I don’t think the Phillies can beat that offer.
Sorry....I've always been pro-Halladay
that’s the perspective that I’m coming from. I don’t think trading for Malhom does us much. in that scenario, I vote trading for a bullpen arm and not a starter
Also, Dodger Stadium doesn't suppress offense as much as you think
Its multi-year hitting park factor is 100 – dead neutral. This year it is lower, but there could be SS issues there.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 22, 2009 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions
neither has Kershaw
and Wolf has been on and off and injured the past 5 years.
I’m not really citing tRA* with much confidence, just pointing out that our pitchers have been doing better than it looks.
In terms of regression, Jimenez is doing everything right, might even get a smidge better. Marquis is due for a bit of regression, a slightly low BABIP and very low HR/FB, but then again, he’s also not giving up many FBs anyhow. Cook’s been a bit wild this season, and a bit too HR prone, so I think his ERA will go down if he can get his sinker to bite again. DLR’s looking to regress a shade, but his numbers are all looking like they might “regress” and get a bit better. Hammel’s too young and doesn’t have enough MLB history to really project any sort of regression.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 9:38 AM MDT up reply actions
Your thoughts on the Rotation have 4 faults
1) you assume the starters will get worse
2) You assume that there is a wealth of unemployed front line starters. The economy is bad, but when a 37 washed up Pedro Martinez gets $3million for 1/2 a year to help out the NL East leader, you know the pickin’s is slim.
3) You assume a pitcher can never get better or have a career year. Your 3 whipping boys are on the good side of 30.
4) You have unrealistic expectations of what a rotation looks like.
Our rotation is the problem. I know you and many fans think that a pitcher should go out every game they start, and give up only 1 or 2 runs a game, go 7 innings, and strike out at least 1/2 a dozen. They should never have a bad game, or a string of bad games. But that’s not reality. Guys like Hammel in this is first year as a full time starter, JDLR who has been a reclamation project are good solid starters. There are a TON of teams that would love to have those 2 as back of the Rotation gueys.
Start Seth Smith! Free Eric Young Jr.!
Our rotation IS the problem
or ISN’T the problem?
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 9:39 AM MDT up reply actions
come on
it’s a redhawk post
I’m on it like stink on cheese
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 9:41 AM MDT up reply actions
We have an inferiority complex as Rockies fans
so in order to get real attention to our rotation, we need 5 aces, and if we don’t have them, we get mad, because then everyone will just say “durrr rockies pitching sux”
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 9:42 AM MDT up reply actions
durrr rockies pitching sux
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shut up and trade us Dan Haren for nobody.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions
Dan Haren
and Eric Byrnes?
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-Pygalgia
Heck, if we got Haren, I'd take Byrnes
Maybe we could trade Byrnes for Larry Bigbie…
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 22, 2009 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions
I would eat the hell out of Byrnes' contract
for Dan Haren
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions
I LOL'd HARD at this,
btw.
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glad i could be of help
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 10:02 AM MDT up reply actions
the 4 "faults"
1) you are assuming the starters will continue their current pace
2) No, but there are two (Halladay and Cliff Lee) that are being shopped among others
3) I completely agree with this. But you also have to consider the fact that they’ve gotten lucky….or that they’ve only had a career 1st half. Individually, I like Marquis, Hammel and JDLR as our #4 and #5 starters. I just don’t like them as our #3, #4, #5 starters. Too much risk
4) I disagree. We lack a quality #2 starter. Cook profiles as the perfect #3 guy. Despite their stats so far, Marquis, Hammel and JDLR slot well as a #4 and/or #5 starter.
And here is where you are compleltely wrong
Despite their stats so far, Marquis, Hammel and JDLR slot well as a #4 and/or #5 starter.
You can’t say “dspite their stats” . If they are performing well…then they are in fact performing well. You can’t just dismiss them as some arbitration, just cause you think so. The are all performing well….Marquis and JDLR are as good as most #2’s in the league!
Start Seth Smith! Free Eric Young Jr.!
absolutely they are
When DLR is good Jorge (I really, really hate calling him GOOD JORGE BAD JORGE), he’s a bonafide #2.
But then Mr. Hyde rears his head.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 10:08 AM MDT up reply actions
But that's the point
a #2 starter IS a #2 starter. A #4 starter is inconsistant….that’s why they are bottom of the rotation starters. “Good Jorge” vs. “Bad Jorge” is exactly why I dont’ trust him in a playoff series.
As for Marquis, I like him, but he’s on pace to get Cy Young votes with his win totals. I just don’t see him being able to keep up this pace in the 2nd half.
Have you seen Johan Santana's starts
this year for example? He and Halladay are arguably the 2 best pitchers in baseball.
He’s had 5 negative WPA outings this year. Halladay has had only 3. Jorge De La Rosa on the other hand has had 8.
The point being is that even the best aren’t such a lock as you think they are. JDLR…is actually pretty good.
Start Seth Smith! Free Eric Young Jr.!
Haren's
had 3, too.
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by DbacksSkins on Jul 22, 2009 10:27 AM MDT up reply actions
Haren gets no love
I love you Dan Haren
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions
Seriously.
Lincecum has 6 so far, and HE starts the ASG??! ACK….
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by DbacksSkins on Jul 22, 2009 10:29 AM MDT up reply actions
I'll make the case that Haren
is currently the best pitcher in the NL.
/crosses arms indignantly.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 10:33 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm interested
in whether that cutter has lowered his “BABIP skill” significantly, or if he’s just getting lucky. Probably both with a lean towards the former. His impeccable control suggests to me that he’s limiting the ball getting barreled much.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 22, 2009 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions
Almost certainly both.
It’s analogous to when Webby introduced his changeup in ’07, and nobody could hit it for s%&*.
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by DbacksSkins on Jul 22, 2009 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions
BUT
LINCECUM HAS TEH FUNNY DELIVERY LOLZ!!!!!!
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by DbacksSkins on Jul 22, 2009 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions
/breaks
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions
/arm falls off
::laughs, and then remembers Max Scherzer….::
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
by DbacksSkins on Jul 22, 2009 11:00 AM MDT up reply actions
yeah exactly, I'm totally cool with DLR as #4
I’m more just saying that he’s got #2 level upside, and if teams don’t know who’s showing up, it’s gotta be a bit unnerving
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions
look RMN! I used advance
stat matrices in my arguement above. Aren’t you proud of me?
Start Seth Smith! Free Eric Young Jr.!
you read Counting Rocks at 11
and see just how impressed I am
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 10:27 AM MDT up reply actions
trying to acquire the players isnt the only sign of envy
But remember, marquis was the subjects of many trade rumors before the streak. You also picked the best rotation in the league to compare us to, which doesn’t effectively our rotation is in trouble compare to the phillies. Though note: billingsley has been horrid the last month, kuroda is still finding his way back from injury, while kershaw and wolf are huge prospects for second half regression, as they are both top four in the league in babip
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 22, 2009 9:31 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I was merely responding to the comment that our rotation was the "envy of the league"
Plus…..its also a team we’d be facing in the playoffs if we want to make the WS. I am not looking forward to go up against those starters in a 7 game series, especially when they have an offense to back it up.
Once again, I’m comfortable riding our current rotation in the regular season and winning the WC. My simply point is that I don’t think our rotation stacks up well in a playoff series. If we want to win a WS, we need to add another quality starter.
ok
who do you think will win the WS?
The Dodgers? The Phillies? The Angels? The Red Sox? or the Yankees?
Now if you will look at the pitching match-ups 1-4 you will see the Rockies match up well to all of those.
Start Seth Smith! Free Eric Young Jr.!
The Phillies especially
the Yankees pitching has been overpaid and overrated and features Sabathia as decent at best.
Sabathia’s tRA* (adjusted for everything) is worse than DLR’s.
Again, not hanging my hat on it, just pointing things out.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 9:44 AM MDT up reply actions
Once again....
7th game of the WS…..I’m taking Sabathia over JDLR any day of the week.
Just the Yankees, regardless of stats, CC, Joba, Pettite, Burnett vs. Jimenez, Cook, Marquis, JDLR? I’m taking the Yanks.
I might take Jimenez over any of those guys in a 1 game playoff….but in a series our back of the rotation will get exposed
like I said, not hanging my hat on it
I’m pointing out that our pitching is underrated and theirs is overrated.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 9:50 AM MDT up reply actions
and I'd agree with that statement.....
but ratings go out the window in the playoffs. My only point is that if we want to be serious about advancing in the playoffs, we need to improve our rotation.
Ah... I see
Advanced stats and other numbers go out the window during the playoff and the winner is chosen by OMG I KNOW THE NAMES OF THEIR STARTING ROTATION THEY MUST BE BETTER
unless it's livan hernandez.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 12:07 PM MDT up reply actions
7th game WS
We would NOT start the 4th pitcher, it would be Jimenez in a perfect world. with Marquis and Cook 2nd/3rd choice this year
he's commenting on the comparison
between CC and DLR via tRA that I brought up above. He’s not actually saying we’d do that matchup.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 9:51 AM MDT up reply actions
Our rotation
only matches up well against the Phillies and Angels….but honestly, if the Phillies trade for Halladay that will no longer be the case.
We most likely will face the Phillies in the 1st round. Our rotation (currently) is better but the question will be if our non-Jimenez rotation options can keep the Philly offense in check.
If we get past Philly, we’d be facing the Dodgers most likely…..I don’t like the matchup at all from a pitching standpoint. If somehow get past them, I just don’t see Hammel, Marquis or JDLR standing up to stronger AL lineups that include a DH instead of a pitcher
V Phillies
the question is going to be can we slug it out with them? I think we can. I also think JDLR will be a starter in the postseason as we will go with a 4 man rotation once we get there.
i worry about regression too, more from hammel
But you’re still wanting to fix something that’s not broken assuming it will break. I just want to see pressing needs covered first. Plus, if we get to the playoffs, we only need four starters, mostly three.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 22, 2009 9:23 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Cook's a #3 who's been pitching as a #1 out of necessity and lack of better options.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 9:39 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm a little worried about Cook
and it’s not cause of his match ups. He’s leaving stuff up and missing locations his last few starts. One, or 2..and I understand, but he’s starting to struggle on a regular basis
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Cook will be fine
He is a #2-3 starter, at least he should be, and they are going to have times when they struggle to locate and elevate. He has had this issue EVERY year where he has issues. We have this discussion, as does the local media, and he somehow continues to win.
has he had the issue as much as he had this year?
He seems to have 2 good starts, then a garbage start, then a questionable start, then a decent start, later, rinse, repeat.
His problems have been far more noteworthy this year than past, if I’m recalling correctly.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 9:47 AM MDT up reply actions
too busy reading posts
I need to go doublecheck, but I remember this conversation
my thoughts exactly
but if you criticize Cook, you get crucified upside down, you know? And understandably so, he’s a great guy, fan favorite, etc etc.
But his sinker problems have been very troublesome.
Just by tRA, our rotation goes:
1. Jimenez
2. Marquis
3. DLR
4. Hammel
5. Morales
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 9:46 AM MDT up reply actions
oops
I meant Cook and wrote Morales. I was thinking about how Morales could be a #5 sub or do a Cook/Morales thing, and then i forgot to write Cook in.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 9:49 AM MDT up reply actions
Cook hasn't been at his best his last four starts
But he looked a lot better last night – really only made one mistake on the triple by Upton – and his sinker had more movement on it than it’s had all month. Cook is going to be fine.
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by Franchise26 on Jul 22, 2009 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions
And I agree on principle
We, as a community, just need to realize that “fine” is 7IP, 3ER, 3K, BB, 7H, 4 GIDP and not 8IP, 4K, 0BB, 2H, 2GIDP, 0R
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 10:12 AM MDT up reply actions
Right... and?
So because Aaron Cook isn’t capable of throwing 8 shutout innings – which, by the way, he is – he’s not as valuable a starter? Or not an ‘ace’?
I just don’t see the fuss about labeling your rotation guys as a ‘1’ or ‘3’ or whatever. Either they can get the job done or they can’t. JDLR can beat Billingsley. Marquis can get outpitched by Jamie Moyer or whoever. They actually play these games, so the whole labeling of pitchers is totally pointless.
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by Franchise26 on Jul 22, 2009 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm with you in thought here
I’m more responding to the way the site as a whole tends to react to shaky starts. The sky falls an awful lot around here.
I’m agreeing with you, man! Quit attacking me!
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 10:18 AM MDT up reply actions
My intent is not to attack you here,
I’m sorry if I’ve given that impression, I’m just a little bewildered by the direction of this discussion (which, granted, I’ve just joined) that seems to suggest that we have too many ‘3s’ or whatever in our rotation so I’m trying to make sense of it all.
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by Franchise26 on Jul 22, 2009 10:19 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't necessarily think a label is important
and I have come to the conclusion that not every #1/ace has to be a supreme strikeout pitcher, but I think the point remains. We don’t have any pitcher in our rotation that we would have a high level of confidence in for a 1 game win or go home situation. I probably like Jimenez the most in that situation, but given his lack of focus and command at times I would be even worried about him. Cook and Marquis have been very good this year, but I wouldn’t feel overly confident in them either. So I do agree w/ sg that other than the Phillies I’m not sure I would feel confident in the starters we have.
On the flip side to all this, I’m not sure a guy like Halladay is worth the price we would pay. I would love to have him, but given the BP, I’m not sure he could put us over the top anyways. And that trade would most certainly hurt our ability to put a comptetive team on the field in the near future w/ the upper level prospects we would have to give up.
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Since when have Rocies fans come to expect Halladayish starts from the whole rotation?
I haven’t been pissed off at anyone in the rotation all year. Even when DLR and Marquis have totally blown up, that happens. I’ll take 3 ER 7 IP every day of the weekend
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 22, 2009 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions
you haven't
but read the gameday threads – I may be exaggerating, but I’m not completely out of line with this sentiment
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions
Marquis?
Mr. “1st in the league in wins, 10th in the league in hits given up”?
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Wins
How many more wins are we going to have this year by getting an ace? Whatever it is, it can’t be worth the cost.
by brian8065 on Jul 22, 2009 9:13 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
In Halladay's case
we’d be talking about for a year and 1/2. He’s under contract for 2010. I’m far more willing to make a trade for someone like that then someone who is going to be a free agent.
Besides, this isn’t about making the playoffs. I think we’re in position with this team to win the WC. However, without adding to the current team, I don’t think we can beat Philly or LA in a playoff series.
oh, and I agree with using either Deduno or Rogers
AND trading for somebody.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 8:49 AM MDT up reply actions
I actually agree to this too
in a pefect world. I just don’t like the trades I’ve seen in the media. The trade target is either not good enough (Baez, Bautista) or the price tag seems way too high (Sherill, Hawkins)
Start Seth Smith! Free Eric Young Jr.!
If this team trades for Danys Baez
I’m throwing it out of the window, because that’ll mean we paid WAYYYYYYY too much for a garbage starter.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 9:47 AM MDT up reply actions
reliever, not starter
/smacks face
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 9:48 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm thinking
the Baez and his contract might come WITH Sherrill.
Start Seth Smith! Free Eric Young Jr.!
WITH sherrill I'm....uh...well OK I guess
but if Baez is the target then I’m leaving O’Dowd in a dumpster behind the Super Target.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 9:51 AM MDT up reply actions
Baez is not the target
he’s the annoying little brother…(with a big contact) that has to go out on the date with his hot sister
Start Seth Smith! Free Eric Young Jr.!
haha well put
good luck getting to 2nd base like that.
wait hangon that doesn’t really add up…
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions
Corpas's elbow
I think the big problem with Corpas now is whether his elbow can handle it. Tracy said in the postgame interview that Corpas was unavailable last night due to some stiffness. He had a nice stretch in June before going on the DL, and it’s too bad if the chips will limit him from building on that.
Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!
agreed
check back at 11, I talk about Corpas for a bit.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 10:03 AM MDT up reply actions
Sorry I missed it
Though it’s tough to get through an entire thread that’s subject is basically, “our starters will regress but no one else’s starters, or players will,” and “even though there’s 70 games to go, let’s give up a lot of resources to improve what is the strongest part of our team in order to improve our theoretical performance in the playoffs that we haven’t made yet.”
Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!
nono Counting Rocks posts at 11, that's all I meant
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 10:12 AM MDT up reply actions
Denver Post... er... post...
“Tell me the Rockies couldn’t get a quality set-up man and probably at least one prospect for Atkins! Now, I love Atkins and I really wish he was playing more, but he is wasting away on the bench… we need a set-up man. I like Qualls, but I would NOT give Atkins to the DBacks, that would haunt us for years.”
Ugh… shakes head
Is this a Woody line of thinking?
I got nothing.
I only read the DP comments when I really hate myself.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 8:48 AM MDT up reply actions
That,
and the Dbacks don’t WANT Atkins. Qualls’ price is higher.
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ok christian colonel, final offer
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 9:05 AM MDT up reply actions
Any deal
is contingent on you also taking Eric Byrnes, mind you.
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......
do we have to play him….or even give him a uniform?
make him the new dinger or something
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 9:07 AM MDT up reply actions
Well,
sg8335aa was saying you need a LF?
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yeah i don't know where he's getting that
because a .398 OBP LF just isn’t good enough apparently
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 9:18 AM MDT up reply actions
C'mon.
The guy had 20 HRs and 50 SBs 2 years ago. He’s making a mere $10 million next year. He’s GOT to be good for that kinda money.
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our Hustle/27 is a mite low
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 9:40 AM MDT up reply actions
Precisely.
There’s nobody in baseball with more hustle than Eric Byrnes.
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Eric Byrnes, you say?
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by PioneerSkies on Jul 22, 2009 9:10 AM MDT up reply actions
That's the one.
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welcome to the gimmick club
I figured I was ok with stopping after the 3rd or 4th IMPACT FONT MACRO
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 9:19 AM MDT up reply actions
"DAMMIT! No, calm down. Learn to enjoy losing." --Hunter S. Thompson
by PioneerSkies on Jul 22, 2009 9:03 AM MDT up reply actions
Also have been to the last two games...
and the bullpen has made me reach for the Pepto. Or Rolaids.
But all things serious… I thought the offense had looked good in the first 5 innings the last two nights and not present after (outside of the Spilly triple).
Hoping for a series win today!
I got nothing.
What exactly is wrong with Sherrill?
He has a 2.92 K/BB, a 2.87 tRA, a 1.10 WHIP, and he’s seriously whittled down his BB9 to about half of what it was last season. His BABIP is a shade lower than his career numbers, but it’s not as if he’s posting a .212 BABIP that’s just itching to go flying up.
The one thing that does concern me is that he’s an extreme flyballer posting a lower-than-career HR/FB, which could make him prone to exploding. COULD.
This is his 2nd season closing, but playing for a contender would more than likely temper the need to close.
He may have a wild history, but a career 9.45 K9 and 2.20 K/BB is hardly a middling relief pitcher.
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I couldn't agree more
Sherrill is a bit miscast as a closer, but he would be a fantastic 8th inning option.
theres nothing wrong with sherrill
I just don’t want to give up two top prospects for a relief pitcher
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 22, 2009 9:14 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
we may not have to
Balty is gonna have to cave at some point.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 9:20 AM MDT up reply actions
Trade for Sherrill?
Wouldn’t a couple B prospects be enough? I know he is doing great this season, but he is miscast as a closer.
I would hope so
But Baltimore seems to think their team craps gold.
Then again, it’s a seller’s market for relief pitching.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 9:48 AM MDT up reply actions
Just as a reminder,
we just sold Tony Peña, ERA+ this year of 106, to the White Sox for their “1B of the future”. That’s what it’s gonna take to get a reliever.
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isn't Kenny Williams kind of stupid though?
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 10:04 AM MDT up reply actions
Kenny Williams
Isn’t Kenny Williams kind of stupid though?
He got Carlos Quentin for Chris Carter. He can’t be all stupid.
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Point.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 10:27 AM MDT up reply actions
Generally.
Every year he trades w/ the Dbacks, and each year the advantage swings…. we got CY, they got Quentin, we got Allen.
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by DbacksSkins on Jul 22, 2009 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions
Still counting Young as an advantage huh?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 22, 2009 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions
he's gonna bounce back at some point here
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 10:33 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm just bitter because I drafted him over Nelson Cruz aftr much debate
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 22, 2009 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions
It was
the smart choice at the time?
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by DbacksSkins on Jul 22, 2009 10:37 AM MDT up reply actions
True
The only reason I was debating was to avoid having to root for a Snake
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 22, 2009 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions
Also
a fair point.
Then again, I have Fowler, Spilly, Stewart and Cook, and they only seem to perform against the Dbacks.
Well…. not Stewart.
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by DbacksSkins on Jul 22, 2009 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions
He's having a rough year,
although FanGraphs a few days ago attributed it to bad luck and bad umpiring. (Seriously)
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by DbacksSkins on Jul 22, 2009 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions
which kind of confuses me
How on earth does a writer call him/herself credible and chalks something up to “blame the umps”
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 10:35 AM MDT up reply actions
Did you read the article?
Looked at all the called strikes he’s had, many of which were severely out of the zone. Chalk it up to reputation.
Then again, he also didn’t give us a control sample to look at.
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by DbacksSkins on Jul 22, 2009 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions
That's what wanted to see
one of two of those were incredulous. Some of the others i could see being the zone stretched out consistently with other hitters, but I couldn’t see
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 22, 2009 10:38 AM MDT up reply actions
nope
but we all have the same crappy umps, you can’t go and excuse Young and then get on someone else’s case
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 10:38 AM MDT up reply actions
Yes,
but as Curt Schilling so famously lamented in his “I hate Questec” rant, umpires also don’t call balls and strikes the same for every hitter and pitcher. Reynolds had a massive strike zone last year, for example.
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by DbacksSkins on Jul 22, 2009 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions
oh is that what it is
record settingly large.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions
LOL
No, but he had a lot more pitches out of the K zone called strikes last year than he is this year. His biggest problem is just making contact.
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by DbacksSkins on Jul 22, 2009 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions
He also
finally adjusted his swing a couple weeks ago, moving his hands back to where they used to be. Hopefully, he doesn’t get under so many damned pitches anymore.
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by DbacksSkins on Jul 22, 2009 10:38 AM MDT up reply actions
I saw that - I actually linked it in yesterdat's Rockpile
I’m having a hard time getting that he’s gotten bad luck on some 1200+ pitch calls by bad umps.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 22, 2009 10:35 AM MDT up reply actions
That is part of my reasoning for not suspecting a great reliever coming our way.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 22, 2009 10:04 AM MDT up reply actions
what options do we have then?
Pack it in and hope for magic again next season? We’re good now, why not get better now? I’m not saying we trade everybody, obviously, but come on.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 10:05 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm not sure - I'm not the GM :)
Just please don’t overpay. Anyone we get is an upgrade over somebody, and I’m open to bringing up a prospect with strong stuff to see what he can do.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 22, 2009 10:07 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm concerned we'll just try 1 thing
and if it fails, “welp, we tried” as opposed to doing more that might secure something, or at least give us more potential for success.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 10:15 AM MDT up reply actions
I think DOD is trying
There was that statement about the Monforts about not moving young talent, but I wonder if that just meant there’s a set of untouchables like Chacin, Rogers, Friedrich.
But I think I agree with PF. Prices always seem to go high on deadline deals for relievers, and this is where you see some of the really bad trades go down as teams trade badly out of need. The Rockies have got to try, but they’ve also got to know their price limit going in.
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Calling Brandon Allen that is putting about the best possible spin on it, though
If that is what is meant by a “top prospect,” I think it changes the conversation. When people hear that phrase, they think someone like Poreda or worse, Beckham.
Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!
Well, obviously
he’s not their 1B of the future anymore, but he was, even as of last season. Now he’s recovering from injury.
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by DbacksSkins on Jul 22, 2009 10:35 AM MDT up reply actions
Good luck
the “of the future tag” gets thrown around a lot. Rockies lament Ben Petrick, JD Closser, Choo Freeman, Chin Hui Tsao, etc
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 22, 2009 10:37 AM MDT up reply actions
ok Petrick isn't a fair example and you know it
/frumps
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions
There's a great number of variables that can derail a prospect's career
Health is one of them. And Allen is hurt now.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 22, 2009 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions
it's so much sadder than just "pulled muscle real bad" or what have you
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions
Oh it definitely is
As is Doug Million. Life happens
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 22, 2009 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions
True.
Fair point. What I’m saying is that, to get Tony P, the ChiSox had to give up a left-handed slugging corner IF with mad power.
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by DbacksSkins on Jul 22, 2009 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions
We would have traded Joe Koshansky to you for Pena earlier this year
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 22, 2009 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm not sure
Brandon Allen is analogous to JoeKo…
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by DbacksSkins on Jul 22, 2009 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions
Ryan Shealy?
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions
Ally Sheedy?
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-Pygalgia
by DbacksSkins on Jul 22, 2009 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions
I know...but if your definition is
left-handed slugging corner IF with mad power
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 22, 2009 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions
no..not what the Orioles are asking for now
they want 2 top prospects, and one of them to be a starting pitcher.
There is no way Sherill is worth Gomez and Hynick (as an example)
Now….if the Rockies took Baez (and specifically his contract) and Sherrill…..for say McKenry or Roe that could get it done.
Start Seth Smith! Free Eric Young Jr.!
That would be reasonable
But I think RockiesMagicNumber has it right that the Orioles are not reasonable
So would everybody
Unfortunately, the Indians wouldn’t send you Lee for that.
Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!
and that's the issue
The asking price for not only starters (Halladay and Lee) but also relievers have been so high, that it’s not even worth getting hopes up. I’m not saying ask, but you can tell where a person’s compromise point will be, by where he starts out at.
And it’s too high.
To fix the pen I’d go with Deduno, and Rogers. they will be better then any pitcher that Deduno and Rogers could bring back.
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apprehensive
they will be better then any pitcher that Deduno and Rogers could bring back
Like in terms of their ceiling or in terms of what they’ll actually do in 2009? These guys haven’t seen the majors yet…
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions
a little of A....a little of B
think of it as an average.
But this is a good point. Do the Rockies trade future performance for 2009 performance? And if so…how much? I don’t, but I believe that the Rockies DO have extra minor league pitching, and could spare some.
Start Seth Smith! Free Eric Young Jr.!
I think for Lee, those are add to the package types, unfortunately
As the Indians have said they would need to be blown away.
Well, maybe not Gomez. Rox Girl is very high on him. But Hynick.
Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!
I'm not so high on Gomez
Projectability is nothing to me.
It would need to probably be Hynick Rodgers, Gomez, and Rosario.
sweet jesus
no.
And here’s why. The Rockies need to have players coming int he pipe line all the time. Players get hurt, don’t pan out, get fat and lazy, etc, and there is always a need to replace players. The Rockies can’t buy them with free agents, so they have to either produce them in the minors, Or trade surplus for lack.
You just traded our 2nd best pitching prospect and our 1 and 2 position prospects. Holy crap that’s a lot
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Dude, they are just prospects.
They have a 75% failure rate. at least two of the guys listed will end up never stepping onto coors field. Besides, I think Chacin is still above Rodgers. Also, lets not forget how the system works. You are trading 4 prospects for 1.5 years of Cliff Lee and 2 draft picks.
right just prospects
and I agree they are no lock….but you don’t take all the best prospects can get rid of them. Who do you want in the line up at SS when Tulo gets slow, and gets moved to 3rd? or when Iannetta never bats over .250? The point is a team always is in need of new players. If you trade the top ones away……..you lower the team in the future.
The big money teams can do this, cuase they can just buy the player they need on the Free Agent market. The Rockies can’t. they have to produce within or trade excess for lack.
yesChacin is better prospect then Rodgers, as Chacin would be PP 1, Rogers 2, Fredrick 3.
Start Seth Smith! Free Eric Young Jr.!
I forgot about the draft picks...
hmmmm
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Mike McCoy status: FREE MIKE MCCOY
by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions
I was thinking earlier
Reynolds and somebody else.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions
timlin does not excite me
Then again, his experience in the playoffs and with high leverage situations could be an asset when comparing to the alternatives that would be on the roster of a team pushing to the playoffs
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 22, 2009 9:00 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
He's 43 and lives in Denver
why does this not excite you? He’s actually older then I am, by the way
Start Seth Smith! Free Eric Young Jr.!
Side note
Is it just me, or are we like 2-341 when Tulo homers?
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Just for the record
I’m enjoying the hell out of this debate that’s already past 100 posts.
As a side note of my own, if you see me do the OMG ACE or PITCHER OF THE FUTTURE or something, I’m not directing it at you. Imagine Joe Morgan or Woody Paige saying it, and you’ll see what I really mean.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 10:04 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I was just going to post something to this effect
It’s fun to debate the validity of the best rotation in franchise history
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 22, 2009 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions
And the epic suckitude of the pen.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 22, 2009 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions
and by that I mean ALL CAPS TYPING
MEANS IT’S THE LOUD MEDIA VOICES TALKING
AND THEY’RE USUALLY DUMB
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 10:09 AM MDT up reply actions
See,
I usually just end everything with “LOLZ!!!!!!!!!!!!” when I do that.
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-Pygalgia
by DbacksSkins on Jul 22, 2009 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions
I just don't see Joe Morgan using LOLZ
but still being a talking head of terrible
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Mike McCoy status: FREE MIKE MCCOY
by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions
who would they supplant?
Our pitchers are all doing better than them
Except Cook.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions
blugh
if we want a serious LOOGY, sure. I’d rather have Capps if I got to snipe a Pirates RP, because against RHP, Grabow is “In play, no out”
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 10:13 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm sorry,
but if your stats are telling you that Aaron Cook is not as valuable a starter as Jason Hammel or Jorge de la Rosa, then your stats are stupid and you need to tell them to shut up. Cook had a bad April – awful, really – and hasn’t had a great July either, but I think he looked better last night than he has all month (better sinkerball movement and command).
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by Franchise26 on Jul 22, 2009 10:13 AM MDT up reply actions
tRA has never liked Cook.
He’s very hittable, and you know it too.
Let’s go ahead and not tell people to shut up. Except DBacksSkins.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 10:14 AM MDT up reply actions
I told your stats to shut up,
which is an old line from Charlie Brown in ‘Peanuts’. Sorry if you took offense.
And yes, tRA doesn’t like pitchers who don’t strike guys out and give up a lot of hits. But since Cook is going on four years now as a solid contributer who has proven that he can succeed, don’t you think you ought to evaluate him a little differently? The guy is clearly a special case, has been his whole career.
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by Franchise26 on Jul 22, 2009 10:18 AM MDT up reply actions
oh I love Cookie, don't get me wrong
he just doesn’t match up well over the course of a season with other team’s top-of-the-rotation guys.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 10:19 AM MDT up reply actions
I guess I just don't understand why that matters.
And that really sounds harsh, so let me try and simplify what I’m trying to get at: of COURSE the Halladay/Santana tier of starters is better than Cook and I’d rather have them than him, but on balance, when we’ve got Aaron Cook going, I feel pretty good about winning that day. I don’t have that same feeling with Hammel or de la Rosa. And I trust Cook to turn in six-seven solid frames, even though I know the blowup potential is there. I know he can get out of jams in one pitch. I know he’ll throw a lot of strikes. I’ll take my chances with Cook fronting my rotation in a playoff series.
We’re not fighting, I just think our perceptions of Cook are shaped by different perspectives.
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by Franchise26 on Jul 22, 2009 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions
it's more how managers handle it
They put an ace versus an ace. Meaning that at the end of the 7th, Lincecum vs Cook, there’s a better chance of it being Giants 3 Rockies 1. With Ubaldo matching up, it’s more likely to be Giants 2 Rockies 1.
I’d rather have Cook pitching than Hammel in the postseason anyhow.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions
This is true
tRA will never like Cook. tRA will be higher overall than ERA by definition, but guys like Cookie get the biggest shaft
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 22, 2009 10:19 AM MDT up reply actions
which is why I try not to hang my hat on FIP or tRA
I end up doing it anyway, but nothing is perfect
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Mike McCoy status: FREE MIKE MCCOY
by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions
I think you have to use all these stats in conjunction
It’s not as if we had one stat, wins-losses, then replaced it with ERA, then replaced it with FIP, then replaced it with xFIP, then replaced it with tRA.
It makes sense to choose one as a “first look” stat, (and I’m not saying all of the above are equally useful), but you don’t throw the rest out. It’s all good info.
Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!
::feels discriminated against::
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-Pygalgia
by DbacksSkins on Jul 22, 2009 10:44 AM MDT up reply actions
make a fanshot
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Mike McCoy status: FREE MIKE MCCOY
by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions
I edited it a bit
but thanks for doing the legwork
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 10:25 AM MDT up reply actions
No Atkins in Beantown
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 22, 2009 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions
and beckett
we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE
by TuLoRocks2008 on Jul 22, 2009 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions
yea booo
we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE
by TuLoRocks2008 on Jul 22, 2009 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions
check moomacher's fanpost
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Mike McCoy status: FREE MIKE MCCOY
by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions
Wow folks
200+ comments in a Wednesday Rockpile
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Matt Murton status: Prisoner Exchanged for CarGon
Mike McCoy status: FREE MIKE MCCOY
Half of them
are just me trolling.
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-Pygalgia
by DbacksSkins on Jul 22, 2009 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions
You're not trolling
and you only have 29 of the 217. RMN, otoh, has 72
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 22, 2009 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions
:-/
it was a good discussion
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Mike McCoy status: FREE MIKE MCCOY
by Andrew Martin on Jul 22, 2009 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions
Maybe
I’m not trying hard enough?
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by DbacksSkins on Jul 22, 2009 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions
We will be a force to be reckoned with when we get a 200 comment Pebble Report
heck – even 30
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 22, 2009 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions
We will be a force to be reckoned with...
when we get a 200 comment daily Pebble Report.
FTFY
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by Franchise26 on Jul 22, 2009 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions
ouch
I’ve been wondering about that myself. I don’t have enough time to handle more, but rest assured there will be one in the morning.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 22, 2009 11:16 AM MDT up reply actions
Ask Rox Girl about that.
Based on her comments about those Pebble Reports we don’t get on Monday and Tuesday, she should just put them as “State of the System” posts instead of Pebble Reports.
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Pretty soon
we’ll need a Rockpile overflow thread!
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by PioneerSkies on Jul 22, 2009 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
by DbacksSkins on Jul 22, 2009 12:32 PM MDT up reply actions
That hammer can't be held back much longer.
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Great morning thread
A few reactions:
This probably is the best rotation in team history. I eat crow. Somewhere, Bryn Smith and Willie Blair are steaming. That alone is a reason for us DOD-“questioners” to tip our caps. He’s done a fine job of putting this thing together. Would a true ace make us better? Of course. But Lee or Halladay will not be riding into town, so no reason to even sweat it.
That said, as much as I love plotting to take down Boston, I think a lot of us here are getting too caught up in the playoffs. I totally dig that hitting the WC standings every day is pretty cool in light of how far back we were, but the reality is that this is not some sort of 2 horse race with SF. There are at least 5 more teams with a very real shot of winning the WC, and I doubt any of those squads are shaking in their boots that they can’t run us down. Thus, the moves we make need to be designed specifically to keep winning regular season games.
With that in mind, I’m on board with the notion above that we need one established guy and one well-selected minor leaguer to enter the mix. I don’t think trading B-level prospects for Sherril is a bad move at all. Its not mortgaging the future to trade AAAA-likely players for real big league guys in a pennant stretch. And I have no idea which of our minor league SPs is up to the challenge; hopefully DOD does.
The present everyday lineup is good to go. I’d like to see Quintanilla moved down for another legit bench bat, but that’s a minor quibble. Not sure that there’s any reasonable way to improve on other potential stretch-run weaknesses (inexperienced and unreliable rookie OF guys in particular).
One thing is for sure, DOD has impressed me with this team and (Matzek aside) his moves down the stretch here could really cement his long term future here. Its all there for him…
by Teekalong on Jul 22, 2009 10:48 AM MDT reply actions 2 recs
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