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Thursday Rockpile: Jhoulys Chacin getting a call-up in wake of Corpas' surgery?

Wow, I picked the wrong day to take a mental break.

Anyway, as Redhawk notes in yesterday's Manny Corpas thread, Tracy Ringolsby has more on the story about what the Rockies are doing to cover for him. Jhoulys Chacin was pulled early from a start last night "as a precaution" but the writing seems to be pretty clear that he might be getting a big bump to Denver. We don't know if it's directly related to Corpas' surgery, however. I think we've got to keep an open mind that it may also be a precaution for the rotation in the wake of Jason Marquis' blister troubles.

UPDATE: Ken Rosenthal has a source that confirms that Chacin will be getting called up, likely in relief.

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Despite a pretty strong gate, Rockies attendance has fallen to almost 10% off of last season's pace after this series, however keep in mind that home dates #42-#44 last season were July 2-4 so we're not exactly comparing apples to apples. What will really be telling is what attendance does from this point forward, starting with this weekend series against the Giants. What I want to see are regular 40,000 plus crowds, even against unpopular opponents. And I also want to see a half dozen home playoff games or so... make it happen Rockies.

Todd Helton to the Hall? He hasn't bought a ticket yet, but he should be getting stronger consideration if he continues to perform fairly well over the remainder of his career. More post-season heroics would help to, Todd. Hey, I've got an idea, why don't you get a World Series MVP trophy this year? Then you'll really be golden for Cooperstown. I'll probably be adding more links later. I want something up to get us started.

I'm also working on a big article about how the Mets and Phillies are screwing over the NL when it comes to evaluating the strength of the two leagues, which I was going to post at Beyond the Box Score as Fanpost, but am now wondering if I should just put it here instead. That might come up today in addition to whatever Jabberwocky has planned with Purple Row Academy.

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For those people wondering about the secrecy from the club,

It might be helpful to remember that this is pretty much exactly how they did it with Greg Reynolds when he made his debut. No official word, but no denial either.

by Rox Girl on Jul 23, 2009 8:32 AM MDT reply actions  

Off-Day

i think the fact that today is an off-day has a lot to do with it as well. There’s no real need to announce or make an official transaction till tomorrow.

by sg8335aa on Jul 23, 2009 8:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

Well,....let's not allow rational to slow down good Rumor Mongering

Chacin is going to the Jays!

and as a throw in, I might be going to Bluebird Banter…..agent is still working out the details, as a throw in, I don’t have much negotiation juice.

Start Seth Smith! Free Eric Young Jr.!

by Redhawk on Jul 23, 2009 8:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

We need scouts at DIA

I want to know if Chacin has gotten on a flight from Tulsa to Denver

by moomacher on Jul 23, 2009 8:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

can you pick him out of the crowd?

hey, there’s a young hispanic guy…there’s one too…oh, over there he might be…or is that just a good tan?

Unless we look for the limo driver holding the cardboard sign with J. Chacin written on it

Start Seth Smith! Free Eric Young Jr.!

by Redhawk on Jul 23, 2009 8:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

“The 5:15 flight was the first from Tulsa to Denver?”
“Yes”
“There wasn’t another flight that left 6 hours earlier?”
“No, it’s all there in the tower chief’s log”
“I have two airmen here who are willing to testify that there was a flight that left at 11:15 and landed in Denver at 12:30”

Funny Dog to Make Life Worthwhile

by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 23, 2009 9:16 AM MDT up reply actions  

"You want me on that wall. You need me on that wall."

by Azreous on Jul 23, 2009 9:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

or

“You want me on that mound. You need me on that mound.”

Funny Dog to Make Life Worthwhile

by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 23, 2009 9:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

Attendance

Economy has something to do with that. If you look at the list, the majority of baseball teams are down.

by sg8335aa on Jul 23, 2009 8:32 AM MDT reply actions  

Yeah, I was going to expand on the idea, but realized how late it was,

And given that yesterday’s thread had already bloated to 600 plus comments, thought we sort of needed something up pretty quickly. The Rockies were 13th in attendance at this point last season, they are 12th this year, passing Houston.

What we really want to see is relative strength, signs that the club is getting considerably more revenue than the D-backs and Padres and gaining on the Giants and Dodgers. The first part of that equation has been true for the most part, the second has not.

by Rox Girl on Jul 23, 2009 8:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

Also....

in the 1st half last year, they hosted Philly, Chicago and NY mets Twice…..those fans “travel well” and certainly boosted our numbers.

We’ve had dregs come to town much more this season. No Mets and no Cubs “boost” certainly plays a role

by sg8335aa on Jul 23, 2009 8:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

Behind a little in July

Looks like the biggest hit in attendance was the difference between possible carryover enthusiasm of the 2007 season vs. bad weather and the ugliness of the team’s April-May performance.

2009 is still behind in July, though. I’d imagine 2009 will pick up numbers in August and September as the Rockies near the playoffs.

Avg attendance, month-by-month (April-September):

2008 2009
32,858 29,702
33,330 26,196
32,440 32,364
35,353 33,688
31,104
30,483

Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!

by FooMan on Jul 23, 2009 9:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

More detail...

If you look at the list, only 11 teams are up overall. Three of which (Angels, Sox, Reds) are up less than 340 per game, which is nominal.

8 teams have gainst of 1K or more. Philly and Tampa have their predicted post-WS bump (which is what we had in 2008). Florida and Pitt are kind of a joke since their per-game average is so low. That leaves the Royals, Twins, Rangers and Brewers that have made real progress on their attendance.

If you look at the per-game attendance, we were ranked 13th overall in 2008 but we’re ranked 12th overall in 2009.

by sg8335aa on Jul 23, 2009 8:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

Well as Rox Girl hinted

We’ve had fewer home games this year, so we’ll see how it all washes out in September. Also a consideration may be that the weather this spring and summer here in Denver has been schizo to say the least. Lots of folks stay home if they think they might get rained, (or hailed) on.

Free Seth Smith, damnit!

by rockhead on Jul 23, 2009 8:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

Or see funnel clouds.

Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!

by FooMan on Jul 23, 2009 9:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

Sissies

toughen up Nancys!

In Oklahoma when you hear the tornado sirens..that’s when you go outside and start pointing out the tornado’s in the clouds.

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by Redhawk on Jul 23, 2009 9:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

"from" being the operative word there?

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by FooMan on Jul 23, 2009 9:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

yep

Start Seth Smith! Free Eric Young Jr.!

by Redhawk on Jul 23, 2009 9:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

So Chacin is going to Toronto

I wonder who else is going too? Unless O’Dowd gets a straight up deal…which would make him GM of the year!

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by Redhawk on Jul 23, 2009 8:51 AM MDT reply actions  

You know, I wouldn't mind getting just Scott Downs.

But not for Chacin.

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Matt Murton status: Prisoner Exchanged for CarGon
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 23, 2009 8:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

speaking of that

I do worry about the Chacin for a reliever. Even a very good reliever…makes no sense to me from a Rockies perspective. But if O’Dowd gets “win now fever” I can see him doing something stupid like that. And that’s why I’m worried, the news on Chacin may not be what we hope for.

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by Redhawk on Jul 23, 2009 8:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm wondering if they discovered something about Chacin to make him less desirable or something

to us, that is.

But even then, why would you not try for the big package?

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Matt Murton status: Prisoner Exchanged for CarGon
Mike McCoy status: FREE MIKE MCCOY

by Andrew Martin on Jul 23, 2009 8:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

There was that scouting report

last year that said Chacin would top out in AA. And then he gets off to a slow start this year in Tulsa…………….

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by Redhawk on Jul 23, 2009 9:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

even then, based on "reputation"

We’d be still selling low

grrrr stupid off days. We should make another trade mongering thread.

Or just run this thread to 500 comments.

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by Andrew Martin on Jul 23, 2009 9:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

ew i would hate to see that

i see it all over hey hey chacin for sherill hey hey chacin for qualls…no no no

we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE

by TuLoRocks2008 on Jul 23, 2009 8:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

Although my Seattle friend just dropped

“Chacin and Young for Washburn”

I threatened bodily harm.

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Matt Murton status: Prisoner Exchanged for CarGon
Mike McCoy status: FREE MIKE MCCOY

by Andrew Martin on Jul 23, 2009 8:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'll take EY2 for Morrow

which would really help both teams.

but the Rockies would have the same question on Morrow…starter or reliever

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by Redhawk on Jul 23, 2009 9:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

Ugh

I had morrow on my fantasy team this year. Can’t throw strikes.

by moomacher on Jul 23, 2009 9:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

man he sucked as the closer

he is a bittt better starting from what i have seen

we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE

by TuLoRocks2008 on Jul 23, 2009 9:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

He was great last year as a set up guy

I drafted him too this year in one fantasy league

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by Redhawk on Jul 23, 2009 9:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

yep i got him towards the end of last yr as well

in fantasy…just lost control this year

we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE

by TuLoRocks2008 on Jul 23, 2009 9:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

Ken Rosenthal

of foxsports.com is reporting that Chacin is getting the call to the big leagues, probably as a reliever

by Rockiesfan93 on Jul 23, 2009 9:09 AM MDT reply actions  

figured that

getting his feet wet like Joba and Price last few years

we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE

by TuLoRocks2008 on Jul 23, 2009 9:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

i dreamt last night we traded for Rafael soriano

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 23, 2009 9:21 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

i'd be down with that sickness

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Matt Murton status: Prisoner Exchanged for CarGon
Mike McCoy status: FREE MIKE MCCOY

by Andrew Martin on Jul 23, 2009 9:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

I like that Rafael a bit better.

But something tells me the Braves might want to hang onto him a while longer.

Betancourt’s a solid option if he’s affordable in terms of talent, though.

by Rox Girl on Jul 23, 2009 9:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

Untouchable in 2007

It was uncanny. He has rebounded nicely this year from his horrible 2008 (was he burnt out from the year before?).

Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!

by FooMan on Jul 23, 2009 9:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

Untouchable until the ALCS, that is.

Yeah, I don’t know what happened in 2008, could have been burn-out, it could just be some of the small sample weirdness that goes with life as a reliever. I think he’d be in line for an NL bump coming over, though. I like this idea.

by Rox Girl on Jul 23, 2009 9:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

if it's really cheap

because if we’re banking on an NL bump, then screw that, I don’t want him.

If we have to part with nobody of consequence, I’d be ok with it.

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Matt Murton status: Prisoner Exchanged for CarGon
Mike McCoy status: FREE MIKE MCCOY

by Andrew Martin on Jul 23, 2009 9:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

An NL bump for an already worthwhile reliever...

Betancourt’s been Cleveland’s best reliever by WXRL. I think you’re underselling him.

by Rox Girl on Jul 23, 2009 9:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

tRA and pRAA concur

I’m still just apprehensive. I guess I’m looking at names and not numbers as much, but it still just feels like we’re settling for 2nd best.

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Matt Murton status: Prisoner Exchanged for CarGon
Mike McCoy status: FREE MIKE MCCOY

by Andrew Martin on Jul 23, 2009 9:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

If first best costs more than twice the production value you can expect to get

I’d gladly settle for second best if the cost is more in line with the expected production.

by Rox Girl on Jul 23, 2009 9:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

first best might even be untouchable

Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!

by FooMan on Jul 23, 2009 9:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

which again, is fair

I’m not saying ROGERS AND ROSARIO FOR SHERRILL, I don’t really want to overpay relievers either, but I do want a solid one.

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Matt Murton status: Prisoner Exchanged for CarGon
Mike McCoy status: FREE MIKE MCCOY

by Andrew Martin on Jul 23, 2009 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

It would certainly help

Hard to say if it will happen, given the apparent asking price out there. They’ve tried enough roll-the-dice types; unfortunately, it hasn’t worked out this time.

Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!

by FooMan on Jul 23, 2009 9:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

a LOOGY if they the asking price is too high?

I wouldn’t mind seeing a LOOGY if the asking price for the solid setup guys ends up being too high. Tracy seems pretty good with the mix-n-match approach.

I’m assuming if they don’t acquire anyone, they would try to slot Morales in more as a regular late inning guy. That leaves Daley, Rincon, and Speier as other pen dwellers, and they all have fairly big platoon splits (Rincon since he stopped being a shutdown guy—back then he doesn’t appear to have had much of a split).

I suppose they might have just as much trouble finding a decent LOOGY for a decent price, though. And I guess I’ve always been leery of the LOOGY strategy, anyway, because they invariably end up facing righties anyway.

Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!

by FooMan on Jul 23, 2009 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

That would probably mean someone like Grabow

I think a real LOOGY is a luxury we don’t need right now. We need outs in bulk, not mix and match. We talked about this (and I rambled) on RockiesCast last night about this.

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Matt Murton status: Prisoner Exchanged for CarGon
Mike McCoy status: FREE MIKE MCCOY

by Andrew Martin on Jul 23, 2009 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

Rockies podcast

http://rockiescast.com/

Pretty entertaining stuff and usually updated before every series.

by Muzia on Jul 23, 2009 12:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

and regularly features me

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Mike McCoy status: FREE MIKE MCCOY

by Andrew Martin on Jul 23, 2009 1:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

I understand the need for "bulk outs"

but if they can’t trade for a decent late inning guy to get them, then they’re stuck relying at least some of Rincon, Daley and Speier. So unless a callup does the unexpected and is lights out, they’re stuck with either matchups or relying on lesser pitchers to get the “bulk outs.” So attempting to leverage a LOOGY provides another alternative should the Sherrill/Betancourt type not work out.

Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!

by FooMan on Jul 23, 2009 10:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

If we can get Grabow for nothing

sure, I’ll take him, I just don’t want to send a talented guy for someone who’s only good at getting one or two people out at a time.

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Matt Murton status: Prisoner Exchanged for CarGon
Mike McCoy status: FREE MIKE MCCOY

by Andrew Martin on Jul 23, 2009 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

Who is first best?

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by Redhawk on Jul 23, 2009 9:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

Sherrill, or Bell, or Qualls, or someone like that

nevermind the interdivisional trading and such, I’m just sticking the names out

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Mike McCoy status: FREE MIKE MCCOY

by Andrew Martin on Jul 23, 2009 9:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

I like those names

and I wouldn’t mind having them. I don’t want to over pay and Chacin/Rogers for any reliever even those…is over paying

Now Spilly or Murton and say…Greg Smith, Hynick type pitcher for those names…not over paying.

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by Redhawk on Jul 23, 2009 9:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

do you put Reynolds in that bunch?

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by Andrew Martin on Jul 23, 2009 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

he's pitched 6 innings above A+

he isn’t ready yet. Same could be said about Escalona, who has 14.

by bballrox4717 on Jul 23, 2009 10:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

oh yes

as I don’t think Reynolds will ever see a major league field again…he would be below that group.

Ringolsby on his site is speculating that the Rockies #1 trade chip is EY2. He’s basing this on Barmes and his emergence blocking him.

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by Redhawk on Jul 23, 2009 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

which I still dont' view as an emergence

his bat has tailed off miserably the past 2 weeks, as we all expected.

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Matt Murton status: Prisoner Exchanged for CarGon
Mike McCoy status: FREE MIKE MCCOY

by Andrew Martin on Jul 23, 2009 10:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm with you

Barmes has been a nice surprise…but I don’t think anyone thinks he’s a long term (i.e. past the next year) solution for 2ndbase

And I don’t think Barmes can keep up a level of production for the rest of the year.

Start Seth Smith! Free Eric Young Jr.!

by Redhawk on Jul 23, 2009 10:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

Barmes main tool is a plus glove and some power

the only reason he’s hitting is because he has Helton protecting him. He has no plate discipline and chases the curveballs causing strikeouts. If Young’s bat is ready for the majors and his defense is ready, then there’s no reason why he shouldn’t be in front of Barmes.

I say keep both for now, but trade Barmes in the offseason while his value is high(er). If Barmes slumps for another 2-3 weeks, then Young should be given the job. He’s proved he’s ready.

by bballrox4717 on Jul 23, 2009 10:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

The question is the Defense

Barmes has been very solid defensively at 2nd….EY2 is reported to be very shaky. I think he’s improved to below average. Plus he will be having to adjust to major league pitching. (or so the negative side would say)

If EY2 could back up SS, then I would have him on the bench as a back up and not Q. EY2 could pinch hit, and pinch run, as he figured stuff out, and get a few spot starts.

Start Seth Smith! Free Eric Young Jr.!

by Redhawk on Jul 23, 2009 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

I thought he had improved to average

The thing is, starting Young over Barmes offers 3 great things: 1) More walks, especially if he hits 8th 2) More lineup freedom (could you imagine what Smith does everyday in the 2 hole?) and 3) Tons of speed 4) Give the Rockies a WAY better utility man in Barmes, who is close to Q defensively and a WAY better hitter, meaning that the Rockies could pinch hit Barmes then replace Young in the field with him.

Yes, Young will have to adjust to major league hitting, and yes, it’s a defensive downgrade, but I think the upside of this beats the downside.

by bballrox4717 on Jul 23, 2009 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

Hey I'm on the

promote EY Jr bandwagon.

I maybe the majorette of this band wagon.

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by Redhawk on Jul 23, 2009 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

lol

I like Barmes, I really do, but there just comes a time when there is someone who offers more. Like EY2.

by bballrox4717 on Jul 23, 2009 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

Honestly EY2 is great and all

but I think his value is pretty damn high right now relative to the player he turns out to be in the minors…and we have Gomez

by moomacher on Jul 23, 2009 10:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

but when will Gomez arrive?

and/or Chris Nelson?

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by Andrew Martin on Jul 23, 2009 10:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

Nelson: Never. this latest injury is really going to set him back, and his time is going to run out

Gomez 2011

I’m the new Jean Dixon (look it up you punk kids)

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by Redhawk on Jul 23, 2009 10:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think he was nails in that one, too

He blew up in the 7th game. But by that point the Red Sox were on their run and had already broken them.

The Sox had one baserunner off him in the previous 6.1 innings, which included a two 2 inning outings.

Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!

by FooMan on Jul 23, 2009 9:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

And i dreamt we traded Hynick for Doug Davis!

Here's to hoping Francis has a speedy recovery...

by dds_dave on Jul 23, 2009 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

Oh damn

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 23, 2009 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

Sounds like

he’s just mimicking Ringolsby…who is mimicking our great thread last night.

Chacin is going to the Rangers for Kinsler

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by Redhawk on Jul 23, 2009 9:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

he did quote

“a major league source”

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by Redhawk on Jul 23, 2009 9:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

hey, this site absolutely qualifies as a major league source

As it is the top place and source for news and banter on Colorado’s major league team

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 23, 2009 9:19 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

A "major source" means non-media, team official

It’s pretty clear now that this isn’t a trade.

by Rox Girl on Jul 23, 2009 9:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm still just confused as to

Why Chacin?

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by Andrew Martin on Jul 23, 2009 9:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

I am too...

Wouldn’t Deduno or Rogers make more sense in the bullpen? Or are they seriously concerned about Marquis? Or possibly replacing Hammel in the starting rotation?

by BaronBill on Jul 23, 2009 9:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

it is probably just to get his feet wet

like the Yankees did with Joba before he went to starting and like the Rays did with Price before he went to starting

we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE

by TuLoRocks2008 on Jul 23, 2009 9:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

I still got my fingers crossed

that Hammel is being packaged for Halladay and they need Chacin for one start on Friday.

by mkorpal on Jul 23, 2009 9:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

The Rockies don't operate that way...

I’m guessing the major factor at work is that Chacin has much better command of breaking/offspeed stuff than the other two, meaning he’s probably a little closer to being a major league asset right now.

by Rox Girl on Jul 23, 2009 9:27 AM MDT up reply actions  

I agree to a point...

Chacin may be a little closer to being a major league asset right now, but not as a reliever which is what we appear to really need. I personally think that Deduno or Rogers would be much better fits in the bullpen, especially Deduno who really seems to have more “bullpen stuff” than Chacin. That’s what leads me to speculate about Chacin possibly being brought up for a spot start to see if he’s a more reliable option than Hammel.

by BaronBill on Jul 23, 2009 9:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

Is it even possible, though

to tell if Chacin might be more reliable than Hammel when he can only have so many appearances and innings over the rest of the season? If he gets starts it’s because the FO believes his stuff overwhelms the risks involved – the last thing on their minds will be his reliability. He’s a very young AA pitcher – the very definition of an unknown quantity (in the majors)!

by biondino on Jul 23, 2009 9:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

This isn't an in season tryout/competition scenario.

There’s no way that the Rockies are putting up Chacin against Hammel or JDLR, the only reason those two would lose their starting jobs on merit is if they completely blew up and the very hint of a competition with how the team’s performed over the last couple of months would not sit well with any Rockies players. If Chacin’s up for possible starter duty, it’s only as an injury precaution.

by Rox Girl on Jul 23, 2009 9:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

Touché RoxGirl

I agree that it would be very upsetting to the club house.

I still think Deduno would be the better call for bullpen help while Chacin would be the better call for injury concerns with a starter (a la Marquis).

by BaronBill on Jul 23, 2009 9:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

Me too

If I were the Rockies I’d have a few picks for the pen ahead of Chacin
1) Deduno Great stuff…projects as reliever
2) Escalona Great stuff IS a reliever
3) Shane Lindsey Would be in the pen if not for injury…is back..if he’s game ready
4) Rogers- Great stuff, has a little AAA experience, maybe more major league ready stuff then Chacin (though he would also be my 1st starter choice as well)
5) Hynick- Doesn’t look to be a MLB starter. Would his stuff translate better to the pen
6) Greg Smith He’s a lefty
7) Greg Reynolds – Just for ticket sales to Silverblood

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by Redhawk on Jul 23, 2009 9:27 AM MDT up reply actions  

Here's a really juicy "stirring of the pot"

Maybe its to showcase Chacin against ML hitters for a trade?

Realistically, my guess is that its partially a “hedge” in case Marquis’ blister proves to be problematic and involves a trip to the DL.

by sg8335aa on Jul 23, 2009 9:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

oh yeah

hey jays “he’s major league ready!”

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by Redhawk on Jul 23, 2009 9:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

we already knew this.

"Good is not good when better is expected." -Vin Scully
Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.

by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 23, 2009 9:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

The news that Chacin had been removed from his start Wednesday after one inning first was reported by Kevin Goldstein of Baseball Prospectus.

Yes, like 400 posts into our thread last night.

by mkorpal on Jul 23, 2009 9:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

Two Days old

Did anyone ever post this? John Sickels has a writeup of Chacin from Tuesday:
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2009/7/21/956753/double-a-transition-monitor

by sg8335aa on Jul 23, 2009 9:11 AM MDT reply actions  

Has nothing to do with Corpas

Corpas’ surgery was announced several hours before Chacin’s start.. so why pull him after an inning?

And comparing the secrecy to Reynolds.. great.. please don’t compare anything Chacin with anything Reynolds. In fact, treat Greg Reynold like Voldemort and don’t even say his name.

by RyuSyndicate on Jul 23, 2009 9:44 AM MDT reply actions  

Please...

Comparing the scenario is not comparing the pitchers.

by Rox Girl on Jul 23, 2009 9:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

Denver Post's

Troy Renck also confirming the fact that Chacin has been called up

by Rockiesfan93 on Jul 23, 2009 9:47 AM MDT reply actions  

unless rox girl really wants it, I can post something

Chris Iannetta status: DOOM
Seth Smith status: FREE SETH SMITH
Matt Murton status: Prisoner Exchanged for CarGon
Mike McCoy status: FREE MIKE MCCOY

by Andrew Martin on Jul 23, 2009 9:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

some one needs to bump

realmenwearpurples recap post on the thread last night.

Start Seth Smith! Free Eric Young Jr.!

by Redhawk on Jul 23, 2009 10:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

Argh

Chacin in the bullpen means I don’t get to see him start on Wednesday. Eh, whatever.

by bballrox4717 on Jul 23, 2009 10:15 AM MDT reply actions  

wednesday at Citi Field?

that would have been awesome since i am going…maybe he will make an appearance that day though wooo

we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE

by TuLoRocks2008 on Jul 23, 2009 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yep that game

Hopefully Chacin makes an appearance.

by bballrox4717 on Jul 23, 2009 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

BREAKING NEWS...

Coors Field will be the first stadium in baseball to offer Gluten Free Hot Dogs, Hamburgers, Chicken Sandwiches, and even Beer.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Angi29CVouP7uYgdennH9XIY0bYF?slug=ap-gluten-freebaseball&prov=ap&type=lgns

by purplesocks on Jul 23, 2009 11:41 AM MDT reply actions  

If my brother were a bigger baseball fan, he would be ecstatic.

This is actually pretty commendable—I’m impressed. My brother has Celiac disease, and whenever we’re going somewhere to eat as a family, we have to evaluate whether they have something he can eat. We’re not going to go to a place where his only option is fries, for example. As for beer, hmm. My brother doesn’t drink, but isn’t barley like a main ingredient? How does gluten-free beer work?

by holly96 on Jul 23, 2009 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

Someone close to me also has celiac's.

They’ve already been emailed. Helllllll yeah.

Chris Iannetta status: DOOM
Seth Smith status: FREE SETH SMITH
Matt Murton status: Prisoner Exchanged for CarGon
Mike McCoy status: FREE MIKE MCCOY

by Andrew Martin on Jul 23, 2009 1:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

My former boss has celiac's disease too

He used to let me try some of his snacks, none of which were satisfying in any way. According to Purple Row’s resident brewmaster, gluten-free beer is made from rye, as that particular grain does not contain wheat gluten (though oats and barley do)

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 23, 2009 10:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

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