Rockies 4, Giants 2: Cook, Rox bullpen keep San Francisco at bay
by Bryan Kilpatrick on Jul 26, 2009 4:28 PM MDT
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PrintAaron Cook pitched 7 very effective innings (and did so while throwing just 77 pitches), and Franklin Morales and Huston Street slammed the door on the Giants as the Rockies took the rubber match of a super-important three game series.
Cook, who allowed 2 runs on 9 hits (and no walks), won his 10th game of the season by getting the Giants to ground out 16 times, as opposed to only two flyball outs. Despite the low pitch count, Jim Tracy pulled him in favor of Morales to start the 8th inning because of the fact that two lefties were due up and all of them hit Cook well over the course of the game. Frankie responded by striking out two of the three batters, while firing fastballs upwards of 96 MPH, which is good to see. Huston Street then came on to earn his 25th save of the season by inducing a flyout, groundout, and strikeout.
Offensively, the Rockies didn't exactly put on a show, but they did get a few timely hits and executed well, overall. Every player in the starting lineup had a hit with the exception of Clint Barmes, and their patient approach paid off as they drew six walks (2 each by Troy Tulowitzki, who also produced a hit and a sac fly, and Seth Smith). Yorvit Torrealba had two hits and an RBI, and Ian Stewart and Brad Hawpe each had RBI singles for Colorado.
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Tomorrow: The Rockies travel to New York to play their first series in Citi Field against the Mets. Ubaldo Jimenez goes for the Rox against Oliver Perez. Game time is 5:10 PM MT. GO ROCKIES!!!
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Marlins pitcher Badenhop tossed for hitting O-dawg...
benches were warned earlier in the game when HanRam was hit. Marlins still up 8-4.
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Vin Scully suggests..
it was intentional because the Marlins had a lefty ready to go against the lefthanded hitting Ethier and Loney.
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Marlins announcers suggest
Balkin Bob Davidson is a tool.
Actually, they didn’t suggest that so much as flat out say it. They also rightly pointed out that the current rule of issuing warnings after the first hit batter actually serves to protect the team that started the hit batsman war…
by Junction Rox on Jul 26, 2009 4:43 PM MDT up reply actions
Actually..
It just serves to protect the first team from being retaliated against. Why didn’t the Dodgers pitcher get ejected, along with Torre in the 8th inning after he hit a Marlins batter?
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I think that question
is pretty much what had the Marlins announcers thinking Davidson was an idiot.
by Junction Rox on Jul 26, 2009 5:49 PM MDT up reply actions
I missed the 8th, but it looks like Morales was pretty dominant.
Two strikeouts, and only 9 pitches, just one ball? That sounds good. I feel much better about the bullpen now than I did just a week or two ago. Throw in Betancourt and Chacin, and the late innings might be a strength for the Rockies once again.
Morales had his curve working...
He faced two lefties and a switch hitter, only to make them look silly. Oh, and he was hitting 96 mph on his FB.
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Morales was unbelievable
I was at the game today, sat right behind the plate in the 32nd row. Franklin Morales in the eighth today was the greatest thing I have seen from the Rockies all season. He made Lewis and Ishikawa look completely ridiculous. Tracy made the comment after the game that Ishikawa had no interest in being up there at all, and he was right on. His curve was unbelievably dominant, especially paired with the 96 MPH heater.
nice job bullpen
nice job team!…Now let’s beat the Mets…especially on Wednesday when i go to see them!!
we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE
If it wasn't for past history in NY
I see no reason not to expect us to win three of four
yea i want 3 of 4 but
i would probably take 2 of 4 as long as we win the series against the reds….6-4 or 5-5 road trip is what i want to see
we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE
by TuLoRocks2008 on Jul 26, 2009 4:50 PM MDT up reply actions
But that was a different ballpark
and against teams where they had most of their players healthy
"We made too many wrong mistakes." ~Yogi Berra
"The ballplayer who loses his head, who can't keep his cool, is worse than no ballplayer at all." ~Lou Gehrig
JFK
I too expect 3/4
especially since we see Santana
"We made too many wrong mistakes." ~Yogi Berra
"The ballplayer who loses his head, who can't keep his cool, is worse than no ballplayer at all." ~Lou Gehrig
JFK
To quote the ESPiN power rankings guy
The Rockies are now 36-16 under Jim Tracy. Although it would be nice if they found a new angle, somehow I don’t get tired of reading that one…
Speaking of ESPiN, their MLB trade rumors today talk about the O’s wanting to deal Mark Hendrickson pretty much only talk about Colorado as a potential landing spot. But since they also say we want him to pair with Randy Flores as a lefty out of the bullpen, I’m not sure how much stock to put in the report…
by Junction Rox on Jul 26, 2009 4:47 PM MDT up reply actions
If we give up anything of any value for Mark Hendrickson
I will not be happy
Supposedly the O's want a mid-level prospect
I’m still not sure it’s worth it. Although there is always the nostalgia factor from his legendary days with the Rockies in the past, which would be nice… :)
by Junction Rox on Jul 26, 2009 4:54 PM MDT up reply actions
Cook and DLR not walking a batter in successive nights got me thinking...
How were we doing on that front (what we did so well in 2007)
Rockies walks: 392 (1st in NL)
Opponent walks: 300 (2nd in NL)
I call this a recipe for success
very impressive
we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE
by TuLoRocks2008 on Jul 26, 2009 4:50 PM MDT up reply actions
Rockies leading the NL in Beane Count:
http://espn.go.com/mlb/beanecount
Nearly identical statistics as the mighty Boston Red Sox…
Batters:
BB: COL – 392, BOS – 394
HR: COL – 113, BOS – 113
Pitchers:
BB: COL – 300, BOS – 297
HR: COL – 81, BOS – 81
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by SC Memphis Raines on Jul 26, 2009 4:59 PM MDT up reply actions
they lag behind in one stat though
ESPN articles: COL – 2, BOS – 143923485
That and faith in their legitimacy as a contender
MLB World Series Futures on Bodog:
Boston – 9/2
Colorado – 35/1
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by SC Memphis Raines on Jul 26, 2009 5:05 PM MDT up reply actions
And that's only on ESPN Chicago
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Big win
How sweet to take this series before heading east. To be 10 games over the mid-line is even sweeter. Who honestly thought, on the day that Tracy took over the ship, that our Rockies would be in 2nd place in the NLW and leading the wild card race by 2 games heading into this particular road trip? Not me, that’s for sure.
Encouraging sign of the day came from CarGo’s triple after a terrific at bat. Maybe something clicks for him now. (Crosses fingers)
Free Seth Smith, damnit!
I really hope CarGo does find his way
Even if only to prove the A’s fans wrong once again. Reading the comments over the last few days about how they got an ‘easy win’ on the Holliday trade has been jarring, as they all discount Gonzalez as a guy who will be out of the majors in a couple of years.
In recent years they have traded away Carlos Pena, Andre Ethier, Ryan Ludwick and Nelson Cruz, all of who are still relatively cheap and would make a very good 3,4,5,6 duo in a lineup. Meanwhile, what they have got back from this is a 41-56 record and a lineup filled with DH’s.
Billy Beane could trade a bar of gold for a lump of coal and the press would still be fawning over his amazing dealing skills.
Good rant..
It’s just hard to discount a demigod with a book deal and movie rights that will star Brad Pitt.
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here is their return on those guys as well
Pena = traded in a three way deal with the Tigers and Yankees for Ted Lilly (two decent years then traded for Bobby Kielty), Jason Arnold (never reached the majors retired after 06) and John-Ford Griffin (traded after a season to the Blue Jays for minor leaguer Jason Perry)
Ludwick = traded to the Rangers with three other guys for Pena and Mike Venafro (minor league reliever, left after one year)
Ethier = traded to the Dodger for Milton Bradley (one average year, traded to Padres for Andrew Brown) and Antonio Perez (now out of baseball I believe)
Cruz = traded to the Brewers for Keith Ginter (spent two years jumping from the bigs to AAA before leaving as a minor league FA)
How does he get so much respect?
I've been wondering the same thing...
and given how this current A’s team is dreadfully dull and its dreadful stadium is righfully empty, why is Beane STILL so revered? He’s got a terrible team that’s not getting any better no matter how many trades he makes. He’s a loser on the Holliday trade both ways; and don’t forget about Greg Smith, either. He still has a chance to be a plus for the Rockies; and obviously I’d hate to think where Rox would be without Street.
Not only does Billy Beane's &%$# not work in the playoffs....
….it’s pretty obvious it’s not working in the regular season either.
"I've had pretty good success with Stan Musial by throwing him my best pitch and backing up third." - Carl Erskine
Brett Wallace could be the next Miggy Cabs
and there’s no way they were resigning Holliday. Not a bad return.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 26, 2009 6:43 PM MDT up reply actions
no, not really
he’s a 3B by trade but a godawful one, from everything i’ve heard thus far. Basically a corner IF who really should be a 1B/DH.
Wallace may not be having the 1000 OPS cabrera had before getting the callup, but based on their minor league careers, Wallace has the better IsoD and IsoP and better AVG, but Miggy had the better BB:K and fewer K/AB.
Wallace is still developing his real power, but the signs point to him being a pretty noteworthy slugger in the majors.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 26, 2009 8:12 PM MDT up reply actions
I've heard he's Nick Johnson redux
I’d be a lot more comfortable with that comp than a truly elite player like Cabrera. Springfield’s a pretty easy place to hit for power in the Texas League, that he hasn’t that much makes me wonder if that part of his game is being overstated some.
Nick Johnson is probably the better comp
I was more going for the 3B? well probably 1B…well, more like a DH comparison
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 26, 2009 8:23 PM MDT up reply actions
The context of age is quite different I believe
as Miguel Cabrera broke into the big leagues at the age of twenty, while Wallace has already turned 22 (will turn 23 before season’s end) despite not yet reaching the bigs.
The conext of athletic ability is quite different as well, as Cabrera was a relatively skinny/fit 20 year old when he broke in and was even quick enough to play the outfield. Wallace has actually trimmed down some since his ASU days and still has tree trunk legs. You would not put him in the outfield even out of necessity.
I think he;s fairly similar to Garrett Atkins, as he’s going to get to play third well past his usefulness, not going to grace the game with athleticism, and hit a lot of doubles in the gaps to sustain a solid average. Decent player, and I do like him, but future all world slugger he is not.
BA seemed to make notable mention of his power potential
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 26, 2009 8:24 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, if BA says it, it must be true.
Really, I think they might be overestimating that part of his game.
pffffffff
what else am i supposed to go off of come on
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 26, 2009 8:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Not really glowing, though
if you’re talking about his Handbook profile, and they allude more to the high averages and doubles.
Besides, have you actually seen the guy before? here is no more projection there. His power uptick will only come from how he adjusts to major league pitching and learns what he can turn on and what he simply has to take the other way. When Miggy was a prospect, you could tell that there was plenty more filling out to do, hence the power potential that did come.
Finally, he was a relatively inexpensive junior sign out of ASU and went to the Cardinals at 13. Considering his polish, if he was to be the next Miguel Cabrera, he wouldn’t have slid out of the top 10. I understand why a guy like Stanton falls, as he was raw, had some signability concerns, and still had plenty of projection. Polished guys with that type of pop, don’t slide if they are going to sign for slot, as Wallace did.
that was major fail
It’s because of the book Moneyball. Which became a bible to many, people.
He’s hype
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He's also
by-and-large, done a good job of building a competitive team with a shoestring budget. He’s made a few poor decisions, to be sure, but his overall track record suggests the good outweighs the bad.
He got more value for Holliday than he gave up. That doesn’t mean the three players he got will outperform the three he gave up. But, right now, the three players he received have more value than the three he gave up. Cost-controlled players are key for the A’s. Street, Smith and Gonzalez had all started their free-agent clock. Only one of the three players he received for Holliday have started their clock.
And considering this current economic climate (particularly in California), he couldn’t guarantee Holliday wouldn’t accept the arbitration, thus negating any chance of compensatory picks.
Being a GM is about weighing risks and rewards. Over the course of his time with the A’s, Beane has done a better job than just about every GM in that same time frame of building a competitive team, and he’s done so with a smaller budget. He did it by analyzing the market and determining what qualities were being undervalued. He’s FAR more than just ‘hype’ and the mere suggestion that he’s just ‘hype’ is pretty silly.
The idea that his excrement doesn’t work in the playoffs is laughable. He had a seven-year stretch of finishing either first or second in his division and, during that time, he had to trade or let go of several key players. Combine that with some of his trade-deadline mastery, and it’s safe to say that he’s one of the better GMs over the last decade, and he’s a helluva lot better than our own.
by LawrenceDavis on Jul 26, 2009 7:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Beane got a lot dumber when his payroll went from medium to non existent. (that’s not a slam necessarily) But I think Beane is mostly hype cause of Moneyball…sorry
And I think the Twins have done a better job of maintaining a good team year in an year out…but I credit Ron Gardenhire for that as well as the front office
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What are you talking about?
From 2001-2006, the Athletics averaged roughly 95 wins. During that same time, their payroll averaged somewhere between 47 and 48 million.
Hype that.
by LawrenceDavis on Jul 26, 2009 7:36 PM MDT up reply actions
how many postseason wins did they average in that same time period?
0.5?
by Narcoleptico on Jul 26, 2009 7:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Wow
Because they failed to succeed in an extremely small sample size, he’s hype.
But since you asked, a little more than one victory each postseason during that time. How many wins in the postseason did all other teams average during that time frame? Abusing statistics is fun!
by LawrenceDavis on Jul 26, 2009 7:47 PM MDT up reply actions
calm down
are you his kid or something? don’t take it personally that not everybody hero-worships billy beane.
by Narcoleptico on Jul 26, 2009 8:16 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't worship Beane
but that’s a lot of getting to the postseason. The playoffs are a crapshoot anyhow. Things on paper don’t work anymore. Over 162 games, paper tends to pan out alright.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 26, 2009 8:17 PM MDT up reply actions
It's sort of ironic, though
He got more value for Holliday than he gave up. That doesn’t mean the three players he got will outperform the three he gave up. But, right now, the three players he received have more value than the three he gave up.
Does not compute with:
Over the course of his time with the A’s, Beane has done a better job than just about every GM in that same time frame of building a competitive team, and he’s done so with a smaller budget. He did it by analyzing the market and determining what qualities were being undervalued.
Right now, the market is tragically overvaluing prospects and undervaluing guys like Carlos Gonzalez and Greg Smith, who no longer qualify as prospects but are still talented and not yet at their peak.
You're right
Sort of.
When drafting players and signing free agents, he looks for qualities that other teams aren’t expressly going after.
In trades, however, he’s shown to be a capable of flipping players as part of upgrading the roster. He did it several times in the early part of the decade (generally, he did this with his bullpen, but I believe he’s done it elsewhere).
And I’m glad you pointed out how overvalued prospects are now. I’m starting to think it would be wise to capitalize on this silliness and package together some players for Halladay.
by LawrenceDavis on Jul 26, 2009 8:21 PM MDT up reply actions
I actually do think he's been a boon to that franchise.
Much more than Ringolsby for one would give credit, but I can understand why there might be some history there and Ringolsby wouldn’t want to admit it. I do think you don’t give our GM enough credit, however. With the draft, you only have really Boston that’s seen more value added (by WAR) since O’Dowd’s been GM, and they have more resources. With Latin America, which takes longer to develop, the Rockies are gaining rapidly now, after being behind for most of this decade.
I think the big difference was O’Dowd was a bit of an idiot at first and then learned how to be a GM, and Beane was ready to be a GM from the start.
Agreed.
I rag on O’Dud because he was, well, a dud for the first five years or so. Since then, he’s been much, much improved. I still get really agitated when they waste money on guys like Vizcaino. With our payroll and market, we have no business spending FA money on relievers. That’s the final piece to add, not one of the first.
He has improved, however, and I should give him credit (which I’ve done in recent years among my friends). He probably should have been s-canned a long time ago, though. Fortunately, the Monforts go out of their way to protect their fellow Christians are loyal.
by LawrenceDavis on Jul 26, 2009 8:34 PM MDT up reply actions
Also
I wasn’t aware Ringolsby had a beef with Beane. What’s the backstory?
by LawrenceDavis on Jul 26, 2009 8:36 PM MDT up reply actions
I actually fell into a trap of repeating hearsay there,
And should have looked more closely for something substantial before spouting off like that. If Ringolsby’s reading, I apologize. It came from quotes by Michael Lewis himself, but I should have remembered that Ringolsby debunked that at Baseball Analysts:
To have people like Michael Lewis write that I have never talked to Billy Beane — even though Billy and I actually have a good relationship — and then to say I’m a writer who sits at home, without going to the ballpark and issues decrees eats at me.
I think
He’s guilty of that, too. Did Lewis actually say that Ringolsby sits at home without going to the ballpark?
I like Ringolsby’s writing and overall coverage, but I’ll be honest… The guy’s kind of been dickish in my own dealings with him. I’ll leave it at that. I respect him a ton, and it’s probably his attitude that helped carry him to where he is, but he is what he is.
by LawrenceDavis on Jul 26, 2009 8:52 PM MDT up reply actions
I remember
a segment on a Jim Rome show back in 2003 between Lewis and Ringolsby, which got pretty heated.
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Wouldn’t be the first time Ringolsby got heated with someone.
by LawrenceDavis on Jul 26, 2009 8:55 PM MDT up reply actions
Or Jim Rome
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 26, 2009 9:00 PM MDT up reply actions
You call one NFL QB by a girl’s name and it comes back to haunt you forever…
by LawrenceDavis on Jul 26, 2009 9:02 PM MDT up reply actions
nice shot there
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 26, 2009 9:01 PM MDT up reply actions
I too did not
believe the possibility of a turnaround of this magnitude, but I’ll take it.
"We made too many wrong mistakes." ~Yogi Berra
"The ballplayer who loses his head, who can't keep his cool, is worse than no ballplayer at all." ~Lou Gehrig
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Yay rockies!
Frankie looked on today. Perhaps all this attention paid to the middle relief is paying off? Nawwww
if you're reading this, it means my undying support for your team will result in its failure.
Can you imagine this team...
…with a healthy Jeff Francis?
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by SC Memphis Raines on Jul 26, 2009 5:09 PM MDT reply actions
what about including a healthy
Corpas, Buchholz, Weathers, and Lindsay?
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 26, 2009 5:34 PM MDT up reply actions
Bottom of the 9th in LA...
8-4 Marlins, c’mon Nunez and close this game out.
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8-5 Marlins after Furcal triples and scores...
Bottom of the 9th with 2 outs.
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marlins survive 8-6
we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE
by TuLoRocks2008 on Jul 26, 2009 5:27 PM MDT up reply actions
8-6 Marlins after Ethier takes 2nd on defensive indifference...
and Loney singles up the middle. Kemp to bat with Loney at 1st.
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Marlins win!!
Kemp fouls out as the catcher barrels over an old man to make the catch. Rockies only 8 games back now!!
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8 games
is an awful lot, particularly given the disparity in run differential. Not time to wave the white flag, but it certainly seems a tad futile to scoreboard watch with the Dodgers.
by LawrenceDavis on Jul 26, 2009 7:14 PM MDT up reply actions
8 Games
with no one between us is do-able. 4 games in each of the next 2 months is possible. The Dodgers are slowing down a little. The Rockies are still doing well, and winning games at a great pace.
The Rockies also play the Dodgers 6 more times this year.
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It's possible
but very unlikely, barring a major shift in talent between the two teams. Obviously it’s not impossible, but it seems as silly as the Mets claiming they’re in the Wildcard hunt. It’d be a helluva run, though.
by LawrenceDavis on Jul 26, 2009 7:23 PM MDT up reply actions
I think is very do-able
it’s not crazy. The key obviously will be for the Rockies to keep close to their win pace in June and July. Then beating the Dodgers head to head, and in a short series any team can beat any team. The Dodgers aren’t the ’27 Yankees, they are showing cracks, I mean did you really think they would maintain their pace and win 105 games?
I said it before….I think the team that will win the NL Wildcard is the Dodgers!
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I would definitely call it very doable
That’s just a tremendous lead to make up. I do think the Rockies are just as good as the Dodgers are right now (our pitching staff runs circles around their’s, their hitters run circles around our’s) and I think given how their arms are starting to drop like flies, it could be that we are a better team by the end of the season, but I just think that barring some really good fortune, they will win the division.
I know, I completely blanked on that rule
And wound up deciding the wrong course. I need to up my game.
And there's
no shame in being the WC, particularly given our dreadful start.
by LawrenceDavis on Jul 26, 2009 8:04 PM MDT up reply actions
Well...
It is a little crazy. If the Rockies continue to play at the torrid pace they’ve put up since Tracy became manager, they’ll wind up with 98 wins (playing at nearly a .700 winning percentage the rest of the way). If the Dodgers continue to play at their current pace, they’ll finish with 102 wins.
Obviously there’s some margin for error given that the teams play each other, but like I said… Our chances of catching the Dodgers are about the same as a team like Milwaukee catching us. It’d be awesome and, really, anything short of a 60 game deficit is technically doable, but clogging the gameday threads with scoreboard watching of the Dodgers is most likely a waste of everyone’s time.
by LawrenceDavis on Jul 26, 2009 8:04 PM MDT up reply actions
Eh, clogging the gameday threads is just a fun little byproduct
Of finally being in contention. Once we’ve been around the block a couple of times, we’ll be more mature about this stuff.
but the Dodgers
aren’t winning at the pace the season says.
they were 6-4 over the last 10 games. The Rockies 7-3. That’s a game gained every 10. At this pace we would gain 6 1/2 games by the time the last weekend arrives with the Rockies at the Dodgers.
The key is head to head. Easy? No….Very Doable? yes. we can gain 12 games on them if we just sweep them! Odd of sweeping the Dodgers 6 games? pretty slim. But there’s a better then a puncher’s chance.
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.700 ball is pretty tough to do
While we should take the Mets and Reds out alright, Philly and Chicago aren’t gonna be walks in the park by any stretch.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 26, 2009 8:14 PM MDT up reply actions
I really don’t think you’re using the expression ‘very doable’ properly.
by LawrenceDavis on Jul 26, 2009 8:16 PM MDT up reply actions
how about
I wouldn’t bet the farm or the house, but it’s realistic enough to get excited watching the standings? If I was in Vegas, I’d put $20 on it. And my cheap by the way…$20 is a lot!
I’m mean this is entertainment after all. enjoy the race.
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I don’t think you’re using the word ‘realistic’ properly.
by LawrenceDavis on Jul 26, 2009 8:23 PM MDT up reply actions
How about a % would that make you happy?
I’d give it a 20% chance. Oh yeah…I know Vegas would have it a lot longer. But I can actually enjoy a race, instead of being a sad doom and gloom all seeing psychic.
lighten up man….
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i don't think you're using the word 'lighten' properly.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 26, 2009 8:26 PM MDT up reply actions
i don't think you're using..
I’m kidding around too don’t worry
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 26, 2009 8:28 PM MDT up reply actions
Movement down under
Per insidetherockies, Friedrich is going to make two additional starts at Modesto before moving up to Tulsa. He’s going to increase his pitch counts before moving up. Once that happens, it appears, once again per ITR.com, that either Nicasio or Frazier will move up to Modesto to replace Friedrich.
I'd much rather Nicasio because he's older
I really want Nicasio to end up in Tulsa by the Spring of 2010, but I don’t think that’s happening unless he dominates at Modesto as well.
While Frazier has improved immensely this year, I don’t think he’ll be ready for move up a level until next year.
by bballrox4717 on Jul 26, 2009 8:47 PM MDT up reply actions
I read that
a very informative article. One that gives us much more insight into our system than Moss’s column today about two organizaional soldiers (Johnson and Colonel) sandwiching a decent note on Chacin.
Honestly, the human interest story is nice in Johnson, but if this article was to educate a fan base, I can think of over thirty players in our system I’d rather read about. Besides, talk like that about Johnson might give some a false sense of his actual value and ability. His story is tremendous, and he should be very proud, but he’s just not a prospect, and it’s a disservice to the fans and the players likely to make an impact in the majors not to give them more coverage.
I'm guessing
that the reason Moss wrote about those guys is because he can go down to the Springs and interview them in person. And the Post circulates in the Springs, so it hits a demographic. Moss has a history of writing about Springs guys a lot.
by LawrenceDavis on Jul 26, 2009 8:50 PM MDT up reply actions
True, but at the same time
both he and Etkin run esentially a regular column on minor league prospects, and most of the time, they both are very good. It’s just that Johnson and Colonel are easy fodder, and a system as strong as ours has much more talent to write about. I’m sure he was angling for the underdog profile here, and it was a good write up, it just helps perpetuate a false sense of value again in players we shouldn’t put that much stock in.
And then we get trade proposals like the one in the trade Hawpe diary
Where adding Johnson to JDLR plus Hawpe offsets a massive talent drain from Tampa Bay.
Moss still writes for print, which is, by-and-large, a less intelligent audience than the Web.
by LawrenceDavis on Jul 26, 2009 9:03 PM MDT up reply actions
oh give the guy a break
Chris Iannetta status: DOOM
Seth Smith status: FREE SETH SMITH
Matt Murton status: Prisoner Exchanged for CarGon
Mike McCoy status: FREE MIKE MCCOY
by Andrew Martin on Jul 26, 2009 9:05 PM MDT up reply actions
She has a point though
like it or not, posts like that reflect not just on the fanbase, but on Purple Row as well. You’re never going to see those go away completely, but your ideal would be to have a well versed fan base, and articles like Moss’ help spurn the antithesis of that.
Moss? Or the diarist?
I’m not being insulting here, I’m stating that pieces like Moss’, or even the praise I heaped on Johnson’s early season performances leads directly to misinformed fans who post trade proposals like that. I’m feeling culpability here and I want to make sure this gets corrected. I know where Johnson is on the pitching food chain, but when I point out good performances from a player like that, sometimes my readers don’t.
As for the diarist, I believe there come times in our baseball education when being humbled is actually a good thing. If he or any of us can pick ourselves up afterwards and laugh it off as a learning experience, that’s great. Next time, we’ll probably get a much more informed post out of him. If he can’t, I can’t say that I’ll feel the pangs of loss with the quality of posts we have received from him so far. He needs to up his game, I feel no shame in saying so.
And here I thought
we were going through a Jacksonian anti-intellectual phase.
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While you’re at it, can you form a committee to vote on Purps instead of an ‘anyone can vote’ type of thing? The fact that Colonel got Top 10 votes (along with Daley, Johnson and any other ridiculous vote) is laughable. If you don’t track the minor leagues on a regular basis, don’t vote. Pretty simple.
by LawrenceDavis on Jul 26, 2009 9:39 PM MDT up reply actions
I wouldn't be opposed to that
Though I like that the community can voice their opinion. Unless it’s just the writers, the line drawn for who makes the committee or not could be contested without specific qualifications. It’s something to consider. Or just weight some people’s votes (lik e RG) heavier. There were a few that voted for the last list I don’t believe I’ve seen much of before. Or since.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 27, 2009 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions
I'd also
change the points system to . . . something else.
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Still thinking it over,
going on _ months.
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make it a 3/4 weighted factor
involving age, level, performance, and votes gotten
Chris Iannetta status: DOOM
Seth Smith status: FREE SETH SMITH
Matt Murton status: Prisoner Exchanged for CarGon
Mike McCoy status: FREE MIKE MCCOY
by Andrew Martin on Jul 27, 2009 2:24 PM MDT up reply actions
I think Johnson and Colonel are great examples of how stats don't prove players as good prospects
I took a quick look at each player’s career minor league numbers, and found that Johnson was quite good before falling off in Double AA and Colonel had been good 3 out of 4 years before falling off a cliff. Once each faced better competition, they started sucking. I won’t discount Colonel’s awesome spring training though, and we really should’ve called him up in September last year instead of Hirsh to see if he could hit real pitching. I’ll go with every projection though with him becoming a AAAA player due to him being 27, and he definitely has no value. Alan Johnson barely has value due to age (25), but really is just a live arm for a team that has absolutely no depth and needs all the pitching it can get like the Nationals, which is why I had suggested him for Beimel earlier. We’ve seen players get traded for just live younger bodies you know, like Eric Hinske.
by bballrox4717 on Jul 26, 2009 9:34 PM MDT up reply actions
I think in general, this is right, but...
Those guys didn’t really have good numbers IMO.
Colonel’s 2007 at Tulsa was pretty good, but it was also his 2nd yr there and he was 25. Johnson’s K rates at Asheville and Modesto were also unimpressive.
Pls don’t read me making any definitive statements…I’m also not saying that having numbers like that means one can’t be a good prospect.
Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!
Can't wait for tomorrow.
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My first correct score of the year!
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