Fernando Tatis and Mets imply that Rockies bullpen might still need help.
by Rox Girl on Jul 27, 2009 8:59 PM MDT
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Thank you Mets for making us aware of this potential situation right before the trade deadline:
| J Rincon: | L Castillo | Walk | 67.3 % |
| J Rincon: | D Wright | Walk | 76.3 % |
| J Rincon: | D Murphy | Sacrifice Hit | 77.7 % |
| J Rincon: | J Francoeur | Intentl BB | 77.5 % |
| F Morales | F Tatis | Home Run | 98.6 % |
In case you haven't guessed, those numbers on the right indicate the Mets odds of winning as the bottom of the eighth inning unfolded. So, uhm, Juan Rincon can't throw strikes, and apparently Franklin Morales is hittable on occasion. This probably needs fixed before we go much further along here...
Troy Tulowitzki and Clint Barmes homered, but the Rockies had issues throughout the game coming through with baserunners on. One Tatis sized blast from our side could have changed the tenor of this thing, but in all the Rockies stranded ten runners, five of which were in scoring position.
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I really don't have the words
do describe how I feel about Rincon, Morales, and Tatis. Jhoulys Chacin had the rookie pink backpack. Oh, and Matt Daley has some fine, fine ladies following him.
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What about
those called third strikes on Rockies batters?
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BS!!!
The Rockies need some oldschool purple/white striped high socks. The team’s problem is it’s lack of swagger. I feel strongly that these socks will provide the swagger necessary to tap the potential that are the Rockies.
Definitely
might be the story behind our failure with RISP.
Also, next time we face Oliver Perez, or a pitcher with similar problems, someone tell Dex to take a pitch.
The Rockies need some oldschool purple/white striped high socks. The team’s problem is it’s lack of swagger. I feel strongly that these socks will provide the swagger necessary to tap the potential that are the Rockies.
Ump had a big strike zone
yes some of those were balls….but he was consistent with both teams for the most part (not always)
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not so sure about the consistency...
there were more than a few “balls” thrown by Rockies pitchers that looked a lot like strikes. None of Rincon’s mind you—except the bunt that “pulled back”—terrible call.
Redhawk and I have agreed on this in the past
Yes, some of those pitches look bad. But after the 3rd guy getting rung up, you need to expand a bit.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 28, 2009 8:53 AM MDT up reply actions
And I don’t mean expand as in what Barmes did in his first AB after the HR.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 28, 2009 9:02 AM MDT up reply actions
A very good pitch
It was a good hard pitch that was down in the strike zone, and even below the Knees. It looked like a slider to me…it didn’t hang. Tatis kept back on it, and when he saw the break he went down and got it. The homer was NOT Morales fault
The runners on…may have been Rincon’s.
The worst part of this game for me was this was one of the 42 in the middle games. (every team wins 60, every team loses 60…it’s the 42 in the middle that count)
Oh, and this just in…..the Rockies have a hard time hitting on their first game after being at Coors Field….SHOCKING!
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Last two trips: 11 and 10 runs
earlier trips, not so good. Though one of those earlier trips started with 3 losses to Houston.
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it's even worse
if you go back more time. Seems there is a post-Coors Field, first time on the road drop in offense. This is purely my perception. I realize all post here have to have several ours of research and numbers to back them up…. So I’ll probably be wrong…in fact the Rockies hit GREAT on the road over the history of the team
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I'm pretty sure we've had threads on this topic in the past
and the conclusion was that there is definitely a trend, and it’s gone back throughout most of Rockies history. So it’s probably not going to ever go away completely. Hopefully improved pitching helps offset that a bit in the future.
It even has a name!
The Coors Hangover Effect – and it’s even crappier and leaves you feeling worse than a more traditional Coors hangover effect.
The Rockies need some oldschool purple/white striped high socks. The team’s problem is it’s lack of swagger. I feel strongly that these socks will provide the swagger necessary to tap the potential that are the Rockies.
There's always supposed to have been a Coors Field effect
that manifested itself in some sort of weirdness on road trips. The usual idea is as you say—low runs at first, then offense increases as a trip goes on as hitters get used to the behavior of pitches at sea level.
I know long ago some Baseball prospectus writers took a crack at it, and didn’t find evidence from that year. I don’t know if there have been other attempts. One problem is you have to compare them to other teams, and there’s just not that many road trips in a year so there’s not a lot of data.
Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!
40--82-40 eh?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 28, 2009 7:12 AM MDT up reply actions
Did Tracy discuss his choice to use Rincon?
I assume it was a combo of wanting to save his setup guy (Betancourt) for the 9th (has he pitched Street in the bottom of the 9th of a tie game? I assume not) and not wanting to use Morales back-to-back for a presure inning in each game. And maybe he was thinking along the lines of not wanting to use Betancourt too much, and thus whenever possible, saving him for leads.
It seems that Tracy’s preference in the pen runs Street > Betancourt > Morales > everyone else. Rincon would have to face two from the left side, minimum, so it didn’t seem like a matchup choice, either.
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Sorry, but using Rincon...
… was a very Hurdle-ish thing to do. I thought about turning off the game when he walked on the field. Tracy has been good, but that was a bad move.
Morales to start the inning, Betancourt, or Chacin. Yes, I know Chacin has exactly 1 inning of experience, but the dude has wicked stuff. I have more faith in him than Rincon.
You guys are blaming Tracy for not throwing Chacin in there?
Seems a bit much at this point. I think he would have been more apt to let Daley start the inning.
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yea if not Rincon
i definitely would of gone with Daley to start the inning…no way you throw Chacin in there in that spot already in his 2nd appearance.
we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE
by TuLoRocks2008 on Jul 28, 2009 9:29 AM MDT up reply actions
Daley had been warming up the 7th inning
He should’ve been in.
by bballrox4717 on Jul 28, 2009 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions
not what I'm saying
Anybody but Rincon. I hope to see Rincon not on our team anymore in the not too distant future. I was saying I would have rather he used: Betancourt, Morales (at the start of the inning), or Chacin.
Hindsight is 20/15
If Rincon goes out there and posts his 12th scoreless outing out of the 15 appearances he’s made in a Rockies uniform, no one says anything. If Daley starts the inning and that disaster happens, it’s “Why Daley, he’s too young for that spot, too inconsistent, Rincon’s been pitching better lately so why not go with him?”
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Yeah, wasn't a fan of that...
Really is a place that we should’ve thrown Betancourt out there. Rincon shouldn’t be facing any teams 2-5 hitters… that’s a place for the new guy.
Put your best out there against their best at the start, not after it’s all gone FUBAR.
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by MattTheRock on Jul 28, 2009 12:25 AM MDT up reply actions
Before the rain started,
Matt Daley was meeting with probably close to 30 fans on the third base side of Citi and then he did some throwing. He stayed out in the rain until it became a downpour.
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On the bright side
Comment from Amazin Avenue:
Wow. Tulowiski has 14 bombs since June 8th ?.
What do we have ?.
4 ?.
A little respect from Mets fans on Tulo…Now if only they could spell his name anywhere close to right. Still, I think Tulo is better than Josay Rayez
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 28, 2009 6:43 AM MDT reply actions
we should all go in tonight spelling like that
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 28, 2009 9:53 AM MDT up reply actions
Changeup
Morales’ pitch was a changeup. Tracy did not like the pitch sequence, as they followed a first strike changeup with another, which Tatis was sitting on.
Obviously there were many ways the Rox could have avoided this loss. Here’s hoping they bounce back the way they have recently.
This is a better team than the ones we've seen collapse in the past.
There will be a bounce back. So many things against the team tonight. The strike-zone, the choice in bullpen work, the lack of BP, new stadium. I’m not worried at all.
Tatis's bat
Was almost vertical when he hit his homer. It’s the most like a cricket stroke I’ve ever seen from a baseball player! Honestly, it wasn’t a bad pitch at all.
Yes, that was a nice shot by the Grand Slamming Tatis ...
Like it was mentioned after the homer … Tatis is a good low ball hitter and that pitch, while it was very low, played right into Tatis’ wheelhouse.
Just an unfortunate night after the Rox looked to be in control. Ubaldo’s had some tough endings to his starts lately.
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by Nate Timmons on Jul 28, 2009 10:13 AM MDT up reply actions
disgusting loss indeed we are cursed in New York
please do not let this loss linger and lead into something bad…Go Marquis tonight!
we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE
also they BETTER win tonight
MUST win after yesterday’s debacle plus i do not want to go to tomorrow’s game being down 0-2 in the series facing Santana….Go Rockies
we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE
Fogg
What do you think of Fogg getting some late inning work. I don’t see him imploding like rincon last night.
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by NewMexicanSteven on Jul 28, 2009 9:53 AM MDT reply actions
I doubt in the form of a homer
but a single would be my expectation.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 28, 2009 9:55 AM MDT up reply actions
Heck, if he had given up a single I would take it.
Much better than walk, walk, sac bund, intentional walk, slam.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 28, 2009 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm talking instead of Rincon not Morales
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by NewMexicanSteven on Jul 28, 2009 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions
Maybe I'm just remembering that homer Rincon gave up
against the Dbacks i think it was, I just don’t want to see him do anything but mop up work. I ‘d rather let fogg get a chance to pitch when rincon would normally get the call, that being said, i’d rather see raffy out there
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by NewMexicanSteven on Jul 28, 2009 10:09 AM MDT up reply actions
I agree!
ANYBODY but Rincon. I also don’t understand why Speier was DFA’d over Rincon. He’s completely unreliable!
Speier
He was definately not having a smooth go in CS
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by NewMexicanSteven on Jul 28, 2009 10:19 AM MDT up reply actions
Still
They need to make another Betancourt like trade. Get rid of somebody in single A ball for a veteran who can pitch in the 7 or 8th in a close game. I think they still need one more arm (and then DFA Rincon).
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