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Tulo's not worried.

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Tulo's not worried.

The Rockies aren't concerned about the moves made by their rivals. The Giants added Freddy Sanchez and Ryan Garko and the Dodgers added George Sherrill, but neither team added the same kind of three or four win player we've seen teams add in the past to help their stretch drive. In my recap last night, I did neglect to mention one other NL team besides Philadelphia that may have, St. Louis by bringing in Matt Holliday.

The team as constituted will pretty much have to suffice, as one of their last targets, Mark Hendricksonwill apparently be staying in Baltimore. Steve Foster at Inside the Rockies says that the Orioles wanted either Eric Young Jr. or Matt Reynolds for Hendrickson, the Rockies reluctance to part with the latter is a little surprising, but Reynolds has emerged as one of the Rockies best left handed relief prospects, with only 2009 draftee Rex Brothers looking like real competition for the top spot on that list.

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You pretty much covered everything I have...

Sorry it was late – posting from the road sucks sometimes. My only additions are:

Fangraphs evaluates the Jason Hirsh deal (as much as they can without knowing who the Rockies will receive in return, anyway). See if you can spot the inaccuracies…

ESPN.com’s Jason Churchill has a piece on unsigned draft picks, which obviously includes Tyler Matzek. I don’t see how anyone can realistically evaluate how close/not close a team is to signing draft picks when in most recent years, negotiations with top picks have gone right up until the deadline.

"What's money? A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do." -Bob Dylan

by theoldgrizzlybear on Jul 31, 2009 10:07 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Hirsh inaccuracies?

What are they?

Could be the bit about “snapped a power fastball and good breaking pitches,” but it depends on what they mean. If power fastball means he’s in Ubaldo-ville, yeah, no.

The trade also doesn’t free up a 40-man spot for the Rockies.

To me, what’s important is that they listed his injuries as likely factors in his regression.

Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!

by FooMan on Jul 31, 2009 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think in addition to the 40-man comment

the article was inaccurate in saying Brett Tomko was DFA’d so that Hirsh could be added

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 31, 2009 10:27 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love the comment:

“Tomko’s release was because he’s Brett ****ing Tomko and isn’t good at pitching. Didn’t have much to do with who was replacing him, really.”

by biondino on Jul 31, 2009 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Has fangraphs been loading terribly for anyone but me?

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Matt Murton status: Prisoner Exchanged for CarGon
Mike McCoy status: FREE MIKE MCCOY

by Andrew Martin on Jul 31, 2009 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me as well.

"What's money? A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do." -Bob Dylan

by theoldgrizzlybear on Jul 31, 2009 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I honestly think

there’s just such a high volume of traffic on the site and that’s why it loads slowly. It always takes forever to load for me unless I’m like browsing the site at like 2am…

The Rockies need some oldschool purple/white striped high socks. The team’s problem is it’s lack of swagger. I feel strongly that these socks will provide the swagger necessary to tap the potential that are the Rockies.

by Resolution on Jul 31, 2009 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

You win, along with FooMan when he stated that the trade doesn't free up a 40-man spot for the Rox.

"What's money? A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do." -Bob Dylan

by theoldgrizzlybear on Jul 31, 2009 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll take that inaccuracy...

given that Goodman made it sound as if Hirsh was just one of those guys who never panned out. He or Frazier might have gotten around to mentioning injuries in general, but not the shoulder injury, which probably hampered his ability to throw a baseball.

Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!

by FooMan on Jul 31, 2009 12:51 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tigers just landed Washburn

http://mynorthwest.com/?nid=422&sid=195479

Lookout Landing’s take:

Update: Luke French and Maurico Robles. Awesome awesome awesome awesome. French is a 23 year old average-looking ML lefty under club control for six more years. Robles is a left handed A-baller and helps replace the three guys we gave up for Wilson and Snell. Amazing.

Updated update: Robles strikes out a lot of people. His swinging strikeout rate is 23%. 23%! Walks are too high but not a big deal. This looks like an absolute steal. Velo goes from 88-93, good curve, working on a changeup. If he gets the change working he’s a starter.

http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2009/7/31/970685/washburn-to-detroit

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by Andrew Martin on Jul 31, 2009 10:08 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

damn french went to my high school.

i was enjoying watching him pitch pretty well for the tigers

by purplesocks on Jul 31, 2009 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and the Marlins appear to be moving closer to a deal for Nick Johnson...

According to Peter Gammons. This likely means the Rockies won’t be making the somewhat unnecessary deal for the left-handed hitting first baseman.

"What's money? A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do." -Bob Dylan

by theoldgrizzlybear on Jul 31, 2009 10:09 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm still not seeing anything about Nick Johnson on that page

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Matt Murton status: Prisoner Exchanged for CarGon
Mike McCoy status: FREE MIKE MCCOY

by Andrew Martin on Jul 31, 2009 10:14 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Weird, it was there earlier this morning.

Either way, here’s THIS regarding Johnson to the Marlins, as well.

"What's money? A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do." -Bob Dylan

by theoldgrizzlybear on Jul 31, 2009 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you have insider?

Because that might be the thing

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Seth Smith status: FREE SETH SMITH
Matt Murton status: Prisoner Exchanged for CarGon
Mike McCoy status: FREE MIKE MCCOY

by Andrew Martin on Jul 31, 2009 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes I do.

"What's money? A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do." -Bob Dylan

by theoldgrizzlybear on Jul 31, 2009 11:00 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

And you're right...it shows for me.
ESPN’s Peter Gammons reports that the Marlins appear to be moving closer to a deal for Nationals first baseman Nick Johnson. Washington hasn’t made a trade since its June 30 trade for Nyjer Morgan and has told teams it’s content to take draft picks for its impending free agents.

But Johnson probably wouldn’t qualify for free-agent compensation because he has missed so much time with injuries. So the Nats appear more motivated to trade Johnson than some of their other available players this week.

"What's money? A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do." -Bob Dylan

by theoldgrizzlybear on Jul 31, 2009 11:02 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Adrian Gonzalez

11:35am: MLB.com’s Jonathan Mayo via Twitter: “I’m hearing odds of Padres dealing Gonzalez are very low at this point.” Bonus: Mayo’s Twitter background has a Magic Eye effect.

hell yeah it does

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Seth Smith status: FREE SETH SMITH
Matt Murton status: Prisoner Exchanged for CarGon
Mike McCoy status: FREE MIKE MCCOY

by Andrew Martin on Jul 31, 2009 10:39 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Jesus...

What a headache.

"What's money? A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do." -Bob Dylan

by theoldgrizzlybear on Jul 31, 2009 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

So nothing then?

So the Rockies traded for Rafael Betancourt and brought up Chacin and let go of Hirsh and let go of Baker.
I may be ignorant of all the trade talks, but if the Rockies were serious about going to the playoffs, then why did they sit idly while the Giants and Dodgers add on to their teams’ chances.
Giants get Garko AND Sanchez, potent bats which they needed, Dodgers got Sherrill and probably someone else, and we just keep talking and get 1 Rafael Betancourt.
Do we really trust our team as it is right now to beat everyone else who is trading to get better?
Are we going to bring E.Y. Jr. up soon or something?
1st post, but I don’t know all your crazy stats, so don’t be too harsh in your disdain following what I’ve posted.

by Zatch1710 on Jul 31, 2009 11:04 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Welcome!

While it’s true that the Rockies are slumping offensively at the moment, you have to believe that everything will even out and that most of the guys will hit like their career numbers (and overall ability) suggests they will. I would personally like to see the club add another arm to the bullpen, but there are a few options internally that can help the team down the stretch. Simply put, I just don’t know that there is enough out there that is worth giving up good prospects to acquire.

"What's money? A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do." -Bob Dylan

by theoldgrizzlybear on Jul 31, 2009 11:07 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

is anyone really calling garko and sanchez potent bats?

especially at the price the giants paid to get them?

by purplesocks on Jul 31, 2009 11:07 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Welcome to the Row!

We are always glad to have new posters.

I don’t think many people consider Garko and Sanchez “potent bats” in any MLB lineup other than the Giants’. If they make the playoffs, it will be on the strength of their pitching staff.

by Muzia on Jul 31, 2009 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll try and simplify since I'm in a hurry and I know others will back me

But Sanchez and Garko aren’t the major upgrades that you might believe them to be – in fact, their sum value is probably about equal to what the Rox can expect from Betancourt and Chacin.

The Rockies did not ‘sit idly by’. They added Betancourt and Chacin – two pieces that should be upgrades to the team’s major Achilles heel. That’s not ‘sitting idly by’. Just because the Rox didn’t go make a move that grabbed a few national headlines doesn’t mean they haven’t upgraded their team.

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by Franchise26 on Jul 31, 2009 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

No disdain

but even though the Giants added, they overpaid in trading two of their top three pitching prospects for two marginal upgrades. Garko is slightly above league average with the bat, Sanchez is about league average, and neither are defensive assets per se. Quite frankly, Betancourt over Rincon in the eighth might offset the Giants moves…and if we were trying to make moves to ensure keeping up with the Dodgers in hopes of a division title, there would be a LOT of movement. Starting pitching is a strength as is, the offense is full of above league average bats save Barmes (only by a little) and the asking price was pretty steep for a bullpen rental. As constructed, this team should be competitive.

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 31, 2009 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ryan Garko sucks

Chris Iannetta status: DOOM
Seth Smith status: FREE SETH SMITH
Matt Murton status: Prisoner Exchanged for CarGon
Mike McCoy status: FREE MIKE MCCOY

by Andrew Martin on Jul 31, 2009 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also

The Giants and Cardinals had a clear need. Their teams were/are more unbalanced. The Giants don’t have any offense and the Cardinals don’t have any outside of Pujols. They made some trades to address them.

The Dodgers probably didn’t need Sherrill but got him as Kuo insurance.

The Rockies’ only true weakness was the bullpen, which they took action to remedy. I’m not sure how reliable Chacin or Morales will be, nor if Betancourt will be effective at Coors (although I like the chances for success for all three), and should all of them falter, I’d be upset at the results but not at the logic guiding the moves.

I think the only thing that could stop the Rockies now is just offensive inconsistency. Stewart and Iannetta need to start getting more luck on balls in play. If Fowler heats up and we stop batting Barmes second, I think we can take off in the offensive department.

This is all a long-winded way of saying the Rockies didn’t make big trades because they have the pieces to compete.

The Rockies need some oldschool purple/white striped high socks. The team’s problem is it’s lack of swagger. I feel strongly that these socks will provide the swagger necessary to tap the potential that are the Rockies.

by Resolution on Jul 31, 2009 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Smith is a perfect 2-hole guy

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 31, 2009 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking about this

And a lot of it depends on how you feel about leadoff and #2 hitters.

I could make an argument for having a lineup like:
Fowler
Helton
Tulo
Hawpe
Smith
Iannetta
Stewart
Barmes

Or another lineup

Fowler
Tulo
Helton
Hawpe
(Then here’s where we run into our lefty-heavy lineup problems)
Iannetta
Smith
Barmes
Stewart

At one point I even thought of

Smith
Tulo
Helton
Hawpe
Iannetta
Stewart
Barmes
pitcher spot
Fowler

There are a few things I was thinking about when coming up with these.

1. All of our impact bats are left-handed except for Tulo and Fowler, which is why I wasn’t too opposed to sending down Gonzalez and calling up Murton.

2. Tulo has been better of late, but historically hasn’t been too great with RISP. Whether that’s a fluke or not remains to be seen but this history would suggest that him batting second might be better than him batting 4th or 5th.

3. I think Fowler will be an awesome leadoff hitter, but he has been a little inconsistent this year and getting higher OBP guys in front of whoever is batting 3-5 might be better for us right now. However, batting Fowler 8th would waste his speed as well as not provide him with legit pitches since he could be pitched around to bring up the pitcher, so I’d bat him 9th.

4. Goddamn we have too many lefty bats – and only Helton and Hawpe have demonstrated they can handle lefty pitching. Stewart dominated lefties last season but has struggled with them this year. Smith has like 30 at bats against lefties this year….

I’m not saying I think one of these lineups should be implemented, they were just variations that came to mind and seemed logical…

The Rockies need some oldschool purple/white striped high socks. The team’s problem is it’s lack of swagger. I feel strongly that these socks will provide the swagger necessary to tap the potential that are the Rockies.

by Resolution on Jul 31, 2009 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

This also doesn't mean

I dislike the current one with Smith batting 2nd and Tulo batting 5th. But Smith – Helton – Hawpe with Tulo and then probably Stewart really sets us up for lefty-relief pitching problems.

Atkins circa 2006 would be huge right about now but Atkins circa 2006 has been missing since 2007

The Rockies need some oldschool purple/white striped high socks. The team’s problem is it’s lack of swagger. I feel strongly that these socks will provide the swagger necessary to tap the potential that are the Rockies.

by Resolution on Jul 31, 2009 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

One more thing

I’m a fan of relative lineup stability. It seems like Tracy has started juggling the lineup a bit more lately which I’m not too thrilled by…

The Rockies need some oldschool purple/white striped high socks. The team’s problem is it’s lack of swagger. I feel strongly that these socks will provide the swagger necessary to tap the potential that are the Rockies.

by Resolution on Jul 31, 2009 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was because of the lefties, and that we couldn't hit them

Don’t worry, Tracy is not going into panic mode and is not Hurdle. He also recognizes the need to rest Helton and get Atkins at bats, and that he has 5 starting outfielders crammed into three spots, two of which are lockdowns by Hawpe and Fowler. He’s trying to make the best of too many starters on one team.

by bballrox4717 on Jul 31, 2009 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

True that

that’s another problem, we have a lot of guys who could be starters on teams.

But, theoretically if we get to the playoffs, our first round opponent would be the Philies (I think). Our lefty lineup might not do so well against Hamels/Lee/Happ or Moyer who are lefties or Blanton who’s righty but is better than both Happ or Moyer…

As well as the Dodgers having Kershaw/Wolf and Kuo/Sherrill in the bullpen…

The Rockies need some oldschool purple/white striped high socks. The team’s problem is it’s lack of swagger. I feel strongly that these socks will provide the swagger necessary to tap the potential that are the Rockies.

by Resolution on Jul 31, 2009 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

remind me why there's a need to give Atkins ABs?

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by Andrew Martin on Jul 31, 2009 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because

he totally kicks that wall’s ass in that Rockies team commercial.

The Rockies need some oldschool purple/white striped high socks. The team’s problem is it’s lack of swagger. I feel strongly that these socks will provide the swagger necessary to tap the potential that are the Rockies.

by Resolution on Jul 31, 2009 12:02 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

i still laugh whenever I see that

I’m gonna miss him. Not his play, but just him. original Gen R and such

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Mike McCoy status: FREE MIKE MCCOY

by Andrew Martin on Jul 31, 2009 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of commercials...

That new one for i think its Honda of Greely with Spilly is pretty funny.

“Knock Knock. Mr. Spilly here” in his weird creeper voice. Gets me laughing everytime

by purplesocks on Jul 31, 2009 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

To tell the truth, after that feeler of a game when we had Barmes 8th

I kind of would rather have CDI 8th and Barmes 2nd,until he stops starting. Smith would likely get a boost at the two hole, but Barmes needs to bat there so he can knock fastballs out, and Smith can sort of bat anywhere.

by bballrox4717 on Jul 31, 2009 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I forgot who figured this out but

Sanchez and Garko should combine for about one added WAR to the Giants team. For what they gave up, they got their butt’s kicked in the deals.

Besides, the Rockies are balanced at every position right now (though I agree that EY2 should replace Q as the utility man, more impact and gives him a taste of the majors) and they are currently working to get the muck out of the bullpen. Personally, I’d like to see a LOOGY replace Rincon in the bullpen and then the ‘pen is elite, but with Betancourt and Chacin added for the injured Corpas and Speier, it’s a major addition that allows us to not duck when a pitcher goes six, instead of seven or eight.

by bballrox4717 on Jul 31, 2009 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Alright then

So Garko and Sanchez aren’t great, but they are small improvements for the Giants who keep having injury after injury, and Sherrill is definitely good for the Dodgers.
So if the Rockies start hitting again as the number 2 offense in the NL (don’t remember when that was, but recently) and Barmes does more than hit 1 home run every 20 at bats, we re-take the wild card?
And I don’t like Jim Tracy shuffling the lineup besides moving Barmes down in his slump, the stability of the lineup after Hurdle constantly shuffled it was something that started our great June.
And we really need to hit lefties, will Murton do enough if we send CarGo down?

by Zatch1710 on Jul 31, 2009 12:16 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Rocks vs. lefties

I dunno if it’s dropped off recently, but before adding park adjustments, the Rockies are 2nd in the NL vs. LHP’s.

Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!

by FooMan on Jul 31, 2009 12:52 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was pretty bad this week, but like I said last night,

That was as much due to bad luck as anything else. The way the team’s constructed, CarGo or Smith should be there as an extra bat against RHP’s late in the game, the reason you would be sending one down to call up Murton is because Spilly and Atkins aren’t doing their jobs against LHP’s. For the most part this season, they have been, this week they didn’t for some reason. At the point you added Murton you’d be making one of those two dead weight on the roster and wasting one of your 25 slots isn’t really the way to competitive play.

I don’t know if I’m making any sense, but you’d be taking away one weapon of yours because another wasn’t working properly. You’d be hoping the replacement works, but still holding the broken and now redundant weapon rather than the potentially useful one you replaced.

by Rox Girl on Jul 31, 2009 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

The playoffs are still a crapshoot

but I think we have plenty of reasons to be optimistic.

by Muzia on Jul 31, 2009 1:02 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Joe Beimel is a Rockie

Just saw it on MLBTRADERUMORS. Not sure who was given up yet.

InToddwetrust

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