Rockies interested in Pittsburgh's Freddy Sanchez
by Andrew Martin on Jul 9, 2009 11:13 AM MDT
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PrintAccording to John Perrotto at The Insider On Pittsburgh Sports, the Rockies are interested in Pittsburgh's Freddy Sanchez. The Pirates have been known to be incredibly interested in Eric Young, Jr., and it would seem that some sort of swap of the two would be something in the works.
Sanchez is making $6.1M this season, with a $8M club option for the 2010 season. 2B has been somewhat of an offensive hole for us so far this season, but the benefits that Sanchez would provide are definitely above Clint Barmes' level of production, but his miserable 2008 suggests that he's somewhat of a crapshoot.
Sanchez is listed as a 2.4 WAR player this season, and is posting a .316/.355/.477 batting line this season, with 6HR, 33RBI, and a wOBA of .358.
Barmes has provided 1.6 WAR, most of it based on his fielding numbers, with .282/.324/.482, 10HR, 43RBI, and a .343 wOBA. He's also making $1.625 this season.
It should also be noted that Sanchez is a .858 OPS batter at home, .808 on the road, with about an even split between his plate discipline and power dropping away from PNC, and a miniscule drop in batting average. Barmes is putting up a .906 OPS at home, dropping to a .725 on the road, with a .040 split in his batting average and a massive power outage away from Coors Field. His weak plate discipline is consistent home and away. Young is showing a.331/.433/.459 line in Sky Sox Stadium and a .262/.335/.360 line on the road.
ZIPS projects Barmes to be a .330 wOBA player the rest of the season (read that as a league-average bat) with the defensive skills we're all familiar with, while Sanchez is projected at a .331 wOBA, and while his glove has been positive this season, it would definitely be a dropoff for the rest of the season.
Sanchez is also batting with a .356 BABIP, as compared to a career .329 BABIP, so there's a distinct chance that his batting average will drop, but there's also the infamous Coors Field effect that might boost his production.
The real question mark is if the Rockies really want to give up a guy like Eric Young Jr., a potential fan favorite thanks to EY Sr.'s legacy, who has the speed to bring back a lot of the 1-2 distraction we had in 2007 with Kazuo Matsui and Willy Taveras.
Longterm thinking, I don't feel this is a smart move for the organization, especially if we're boosting payroll that could be used to support pitching instead. While Sanchez might provide a better bat at 2B than Barmes', I feel we'd be taking a potential weapon away from the lineup in EYJ and that Sanchez is just as streaky as Barmes, with less of a glove to support him during the cold spells.
On the flip side, this might be the kind of move that most people have been suggesting (in general): Move some of our prospect depth and get some MLB talent in the lineup. The issue is that while we have "depth" at the middle infield positions, the "real" talent we're expecting in Chris Nelson or Hector Gomez is a couple of years away.
Many here on Purple Row feel that EYJ could be a contributor now, and while he hasn't been explicitly linked to this trade, it's no secret that Pittsburgh wants a 1-2 punch of McCutchen and Young, Jr. at some point.
**UPDATE**
According to Perrotto, it appears that the Rockies are willing to part with Casey Weathers as a part of this trade. Carlos Gonzalez' name has come up as well, but I sincerely hope that we could get more if we were to move Gonzalez.
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The knock on
EY2 is his defense right?
The Rockies need some oldschool purple/white striped high socks. The team’s problem is it’s lack of swagger. I feel strongly that these socks will provide the swagger necessary to tap the potential that are the Rockies.
Financially
I don’t think this makes a lot of sense. Sanchez may be more productive offensively, but not enough to justify $8 million next year.
i vote no on this trade.
i like barmes and would like to see EY2 stay a rockie. if we make a trade it needs to be for relief pitching… or roy halladay
A trade for Halladay
would be, given the resources of our team’sowners, financially prohibitive.
by J. Henry Waugh on Jul 9, 2009 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions
This makes absolutely NO sense to me.
I suppose if the intent is then to deal Barmes for a decent bullpen arm, I might get on board. Otherwise, I see a lot about what the Pirates want out of this, not much about what it does for us.
Where's the box to click "no"?
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by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 9, 2009 11:29 AM MDT reply actions
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 9, 2009 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions
Where's the box to click "hells no"?
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by PioneerSkies on Jul 9, 2009 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions
Done and done-er
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by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 9, 2009 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions
Hang on a minute....
Unless there’s something more specific after the Insider jump in that piece, all it says it that the Rox are interested in Sanchez and the pirates “love” EY Jr. It doesn’t say that the Rox are at all inclined to move him. For all we know, the conversation went like this:
Huntington: we love EY Jr.
O’Dowd: that’s nice. Want Atkins?
So let’s not jump to conclusions here……
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Apparently 5 teams are linked to Sanchez
including the Giants. Bumgardner for Sanchez, make it happen, Sabean!
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I just got home, but I think you might be on to something here.
If the Giants are interested, it would make sense for the Rockies to drive the cost of acquiring him up. The Red Sox do this all the time with players the Yankees are interested in and vice versa.
That said, I think a lot of people are underestimating what Sanchez’s value to the team may be this year.
by Rox Girl on Jul 9, 2009 4:03 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Now that I've said that.....
there’s really nothing to indicate a Sanchez/EY deal may be in the works, let me play Devil’s Advocate and make an argument for why it might be a good thing for the Rox if it were really to happen:
1. Is it possible that we’re overestimating EY’s potential because a) fans have a tendency to overvalue their own prospects and b) his name is Eric Young Jr.? If his name was Joe smith would he have received this much attention coming through the ranks?
2. Is dealing an unproven prospect for a 31 one year old all-star that bad a thing?
3. For all we know, some team out there loves Barmes and would immediately send a quality BP arm for him once Sanchez was in place. Should that happen, we’ve upgraded 2B and the bullpen.
Again, my gut tells me this deal won’t happen, but if it does, I’ll really be quite OK with it, as it would satisfy my #1 demand for O’Dowd:
WIN NOW. Get the best players you can right now and get into the postseason. Do what has to be done, even if it means dealing some prospects. 2010 will take care of itself. I want playoffs and World Series in 2009.
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Which is fair
But the 31 year old all star part is misleading, because very stupid players make the ASG sometimes.
It’s more the issue that we haven’t tried him out yet, and nobody wants to see him be the next everth cabrera.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 9, 2009 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions
2006 was pretty good
It was a 4.8 WAR season with a gaudy BA. If he went as a “lone rep,” it wasn’t a reach, so far as those choices go.
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not fair at all
highest BA among NL everyday shortstops, most doubles, and third in slugging % behind Utley and Barmes all without the benefit of having a Todd Helton behind him. With Uggla’s awful numbers and Rickie Weeks getting hurt, I would suggest that after Utley, Sanchez and Hudson are the next best two players with Barmes on the rise.
Joe Smith
receives very little attention but his numbers aren’t too bad.
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good GB%
He was part of the Putz trade. Good catch!
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 9, 2009 5:10 PM MDT up reply actions
Barmes's WAR
Barmes has provided 1.6 WAR, most of it based on his fielding numbers
It looks to me that most of it (1.2 or so wins of the 1.6 WAR) is based on his hitting, adjusted for position, right?
Free Seth Smith!
I didn't account for the positional adjustment
So you might be very right, I was just looking at his unadjusted 0.3 Batting and his 4.2 Fielding, and then his wOBA and our anecdotal analysis that barmes is a monster glove – well you see where I’m going with this.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 9, 2009 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Yup, I do
The fangraphs tables are nicely detailed, which makes them difficult to read quickly. The 0.3 batting is vs. the avg non-pitcher batter (NL only I assume) so when you add in replacement it comes to about a win above r so far.
Free Seth Smith!
Are the ZiPS wOBA's park adjusted?
I suspect not. Looking over several years of fangraphs UZR data, I also don’t see why Sanchez’s glove would be expected to be a “drop off.” It looks too close to call.
but hey, maybe this is really a precursor trade for Halladay with Stewart leaving and Sanchez playing 3rd. +21.7 runs in about a full season’s worth of innings at 3rd! (I keed.)
Free Seth Smith!
Well with the UZR
He’s played at very good levels and below average levels, never really BAD. Barmes has only had this season as a fulltime 2B, so his UZR is a bit….well, SSS, but he’s been very good, according to UZR/150.
I wasn’t trying to infer that Sanchez = BLACK FIELDING HOLE or anything, and I hope it didn’t come off as such. I just know Barmes and Tulo have a really good DP chemistry up the middle.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 9, 2009 12:15 PM MDT up reply actions
Do it
EY2 has benn working in centerfield during the offseasons, has a below average glove and will likely be a major leaguer in the outfield. Trading him now is a good move especially if you improve and block SF at the same time. He could be an exciting base stealer, but where do you play him if he can’t handle 2b…that’s a big question on him.
Barmes would still be around as our back up at 2b, ss and 3b allowing Atkins to be moved for a reliever and Barmes to platoon at 3b and fill in around the field.
Sanchez is hardly a flash in the pan type player, he would make an incredibly disciplined #2 hitter and increase the value of our leadoff position by his presence a lot. While he doesn’t have the speed of Matsui, he has shown himself to be a pretty solid #2 type hitter and he would still has trade value this off season.
What do you mean by discipline?
He has a .036 IsoD, compared to Barmes’ .039.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 9, 2009 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions
Discipline is more than a stat
I love Barmes, always have, but I hate having him in the 2 hole. You simply cannot hit and run with him. He misses a lot of pitches he should foul off and he tends to turn into a pull hitter or overcompensate down the 1b line. Sanchez has better plate coverage, tend to strike out less and hit up the middle. He’s not a whole lot different than Barmes, but that’s not the question. The question is a proven major leaguer a better fit for the Rockies than a prospect. I’ll take the major leaguer and keep someone else from getting him. Both Barmes and Sanchez can play third as well. What kind of additional depth does that give? I think its a great idea.
Where did the info on EY2's defense come from?
Are Rockies scouts bagging on it?
FWIW, EY2’s total zone scores are inconsistent with the notion that he’s a liability at 2nd and imply he’s average or slightly above. Total zone is based on limited pbp data (the inputs don’t contain info on how hard a grounder was hit, nor are they scored into different zones per position, as per UZR/Fielding bible type stats), but the scores that have been appearing for MLB aren’t off the wall as a whole.
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NO TRADE
As explained, this would be an awful trade. There is not that much difference between Sanchez and Barmes. I wouldn’t mind trading EY2, but it would have to be an much better upgrade. Trade him for a relief pitcher. Or trade Barmes for a relief pitcher, but get some relief. That is the big gaping hole in the Rockies. Not second base.
I voted no
but that doesn’t mean that I’m against getting a guy like Sanchez. Just not at the expense of Jr. I would be ok if it was Nelson or an arm like Hynick even.
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Salary
The problem is that Sanchez doesn’t seem to be a very big upgrade over Barmes if at all, and with a vesting option of $8M for 2010, he seems too expensive.
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Well it could make sense
but only if EY2 isn’t in the trade, and the Rockies don’t pick up Sanchez option, thus making him a one year rental, and having EY2 as the starter next year. But Given Snachez salary for next year as you point out, I don’t see how the Rockies could pay him, unless the Pirates pick up a bunch of his salary.
Still this trade doesn’t make sense to me if EY2 is the one going to the Pirates. I’m not sure Sanchez would be an upgrade over EY2 (well, Sanchez is established, and EY2 is just a projection, but the up side is on Young)
Start Seth Smith! Free Eric Young Jr.!
prospect are just that Prospects
But I don’t consider this trade without 4 mil in cash coming out way.
Even if
Pittsburgh picked up the bulk (read: BULK) of Sanchez’s salary, I still don’t think the Rockies should give up more than a Christian Colonel.
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No, No, Hell no.....F No....No way
I’ve seen EY2 play second. ok, only a couple of times but he has great range, and I’m guessing he’s getting some errors due to the fact that he’s getting to balls that others couldn’t get to to begin with.
Speed kills….you can’t teach Speed.
Eric Young Jr should be on the Rockies and starting now. Barmes should be the Utility Infielder
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There's one thing to point out...
ALL of the rumors about this are coming from Pittsburgh, not Denver. There’s actually no evidence to suggest the Rockies have any present interest in Sanchez at all. In fact, one of the articles suggests only that the Pirates are desperately trying to move Sanchez (because of $$$) and that they love EY Jr. Um….so what? That’s no different than saying we’d love to move Atkins and get Halladay. Duh.
This trade is bad for about five million reasons…specifically, the remaining guaranteed money on Sanchez’ deal plus buyout, for a player who is not noticeably better overall than Barmes.
Barmes >>> Sanchez on defense, for a groundball pitching staff.
Again, I only mention that all of this is emanating from the ’Burgh, and not from here. I can confidently predict a zero percent chance of any deal involving Sanchez and EYJR
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wrong question
Its not a question of is he better than Barmes but is he better than EY2 and is he better than anything SF throws out at 2b. You could also ask if Sanchez and his .300 BA is better than Atkins. I don’t care if we trade for him and he sits behind Barmes, keep him out of SF.
Yeah, well unless the Pirates take Atkins in the deal...
…then the Rox aren’t about to get into the Yanks/Sox game of making trades that don’t make our club better, solely to prevent some other team from making the trade.
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“The Pirates are “pushing hard” to trade All-Star second baseman Freddy Sanchez, according to a National League executive this morning.
The San Francisco Giants and Colorado Rockies are two of the teams with which the Pirates have spoken, the source said, but there are as many as four or five more."
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09190/982829-100.stm
Yeah, and by “spoken”, it means the Pirates are calling every team they can think of…with DOD being courteous enough to answer the phone.
Pirates GM: “You want Sanchez?”
DOD: “No thanks; how’s your golf game?”
That, my friends, often constitutes purported trade discussions.
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all star status
Sanchez is only an all star because he’s on the Pirates. what happens if he gets traded before the break? weak
Sanchez is a valid all-star
after utley hes been the best 2b in the National league this year
Ahoy from Pittsburgh
As a Pirate fan, I love the possibility. And it’s pointed out that Colorado has contacted the Pirates regarding Sanchez. I don’t really need to talk about his bat cause I’m sure you’re well aware he is one of the best hitting middle infielders in the league, but his glove is underrated too. He and Jack Wilson lead the league in double plays and pairing him with Tulowitski would only be an upgrade. Freddy has been clutch with runners on and has been the primary run producer for the Pirates this year. The only reason we won’t pick up his option is because he is 31 and we are in the middle of rebuilding for the 17th season in a row. EY2 is young and fast and is exactly what Huntington is looking for. Ian Snell has been rumored in the deal too. Though it is true that he’s only an All-Star because they had to send one, that may be true, but he is a 3 time all-star and one year was selected with Jason Bay so he is a true allstar.
Ian Snell
Just what we need, another AAAA starter. I suppose if the Pirates take Atkins and toss in a $3-6m, the deal would be doable.
Sanchez is nowhere near Barmes defensively, sorry. And his bat, while an upgrade, isn’t nearly enough of an upgrade to justify taking on that contract.
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I don't think so
IMO, not enough of upgrade over Barmes for the money involved. EY2 has a lot of upside if he develops and the Rockies would loose that also. All for a guy they would have for a year and a half. I would love to see Sanchez’s bat in the lineup but I think the price is to high. No if the Pirates want to eat a big chunk of his salary then an argument may be made.
What if the hokey pokey is what it is all about after all????
*Now not No if the Pirates.....
What if the hokey pokey is what it is all about after all????
If this were true, then DOD deserves to get fired.
Hopefully Perrotto is just a hopeful idiot though =)
grabow's kind of awful
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 9, 2009 3:20 PM MDT up reply actions
So is Capps, frankly
I don’t get everyone working themselves up in a lather about Capps. He has one pitch, and while he throws it hard, he’s hardly effective. He’s probably better than Ian Snell, but neither is any better than what we already have.
Perrotto’s full of baloney anyway, and even now there is not one piece of evidence that the Rox are actively driving these “talks” at all. Rather, it’s all fluff coming only out of PIttsburgh because they’re so desperate to move Sanchez.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 9, 2009 4:22 PM MDT up reply actions
Warning: This is not a statistically backed opinion, but...
…I have no problem for a CarGo for Sanchez deal (although we’d likely have to sweeten the deal a bit more).
Just not as big a fan of CarGo as others here. This is a very logial move given the depth at LF (Smith, Murton, Spilly). Although a huge fan of Barmie, I think that should this deal go through it would necessitate a Barmes for Whoever-the-best-BP-guy-we-can-get swap. This is the kind of deal that makes for contenders.
Lol, I just ranted my displeasure about this all on the thread for all this on MLBtraderumors.com
Weathers for Capps and Sanzhez I can live with though. Tommy John Surgery or not, Weathers is the Rockies’s future closer, and with a weakened bullpen, is the last thing they should give up without a cost controlled closer coming back.
What else.....?
Ask yourselves what does EY JR bring to the table besides his speed?
the ability to hit and get walks (high OBP), and can play almost anywhere defensively.
Pretty much, a good lead off hitter that can get into the lineup. The guy is like a Chone Figgins clone.
Figgins
never had a 200 hit season in the bigs, below average obp for a lead-off hitter…if that is our hope for EY2 a trade would be best.
Weathers + Atkins = Sanchez + Capps
Works for me.
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by Jeff Aberle on Jul 9, 2009 3:36 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
i could agree with that one i guess
we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE
by TuLoRocks2008 on Jul 9, 2009 3:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Make Barmes the Superutility guy again?
I am okay with this deal as well, though I really doubt they take Atkins in any deal. It sounds opposite of the new FO’s mentality
This is the one version of this otherwise entirely fictional trade discussion I can get on board with
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i guess if it goes through, they're banking on Nelson or Gomez really making strides
yes i know nelson is hurt
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 9, 2009 3:44 PM MDT up reply actions
true
i can deal with Gomez if he pans out obviously
we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE
by TuLoRocks2008 on Jul 9, 2009 3:46 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm just going to repeat what other's have said.
This is all coming from Pirate’s websites. There is nothing from the Rockies side that Dan O’Dowd is really even considering making the deal. it just so happens that the Pirates love EY2, and that the sides have mentioned CarGo and Weathers in talks. There is confirmation that DOD is even interested.
Renck is reporting that the Giants are making the strongest push
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and at the offense position in general :V
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 9, 2009 5:00 PM MDT up reply actions
I'd doubting all of this
Until I see something come from the rockies side of things, I’m thinking this is all just talk.
Especially when I hear CarGo mentioned. If you think he’s the real deal, you don’t deal him for a small upgrade at 2B.
One thing to remember — O’Dowd rarely makes headscratching deals. You have to go back to Bard/Gerut for Cruz and figgins for Bartee those, and, really, they weren’t that disastrous in hindsight. I have a high degree of trust in DOD not to get fleeced.
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Renck shoots it down
’There has been chatter about the Rockies going after Freddy Sanchez in a deal involving Eric Young Jr. That makes no sense. If the Rockies go after a Pirate, it would likely be a reliever like Matt Capps."
he probably wouldn’t be so definitive without having checked w/someone in the front office.
http://blogs.denverpost.com/rockies/2009/07/09/reds-express-interest-in-atkins/
He also notes that Reds are asking about Atkins.
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check the front page
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 9, 2009 4:16 PM MDT up reply actions
I wouldn't put TOO much stock in Renck's sources
Renck tends to take things and run with them based on rumor quite often himself. His best ties seem to be with certain players more than coaches or front office personnel. I thought the Post and Monfort/O’Dowd group weren’t on great speaking terms as is.
Besides, the article sounds more like opinion on the issue then it does fact. Fact looks like:
“Front office sources say a trade for Sanchez is highly unlikely.”
Wait and see what Tracy or Etkin say, they tend to be more measured.
Well Renck wasn't pushing the rumor
he was acknowledging it and kind of confirming our collective “what? that’s a dumb trade”
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 10, 2009 7:26 AM MDT up reply actions
Actually,
I did check the front page of the DP and saw this:
BREAKING NEWS: free Slurpees on Saturday at 7-Eleven
That’s AWESOME breaking news. :)
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what I want a slurpee
I just meant “hey reds talking about atkins” on the purple row front page
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 9, 2009 4:32 PM MDT up reply actions
Now if this could coincide with...........TACOS!
That reminds me, is my relief gets here soon, I can get tacos on the way home from the hospital.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 9, 2009 4:33 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm surprised at the crazy EYJ love here.
His current peak translation from BP has him as a .241/.327/.350 big league hitter. Those types of numbers ran Taveras out of town, and he was at least a solid defender. Young’s defense at second was much a work in progress last year. He has very stiff actions and poor hands. Young looked overly mechanical on throws, and struggled more on routine-average plays then one of his athleticism should. He’s great on pop ups or shallow flys, but his game at second is very reminiscent on Rickie Weeks defensively.
Offense is entirely built on speed, and you have to be weary of his patience carrying over. Major leaguers who are more adept at throwing strikes consistently will be less inclined to pitch around and more likely to challenge him to make it happen in the strikezone, and he willhave to prove to be more potent than he is now. EYJ has only had one minor league season with a linedrive rate at 20%, and that was a Hawaii Fall League. He’s slap and run with no pop and little potential for future pop. In context, Fowler was at 23% last year, and has sat around 20% as a major leaguer, with a frame more conducive to adding bulk down the road.
EYJ is a very average prospect with a great deal of window dressing. Speed’s nice, but let’s not be too quick to forget Taveras. EYJ is a pittance for Sanchez.
by David OhNo on Jul 9, 2009 5:45 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
But Sanchez is balls expensive
and while I’m not totally sold on the guy, I think that a lot of the sentiment is “at least give the guy a shot before dumping him”
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 10, 2009 7:28 AM MDT up reply actions
I think it's more than that
Trading him for someone the team wanted wouldn’t be dumping him. Dumping him would mean exposing him to waivers, non-tendering him due to a roster crunch, or trading him for a non-hot A ball player to free up a 40-man spot.
People here say EY2 is likely to be better than his projection due to his speed, and that his baserunning will be a big asset. Some of this is also surely the tendency to overvalue one’s team’s own prospects.
And yeah, trading him for Sanchez really puts it over the top. Not a big upgrade on Barmes, if at all, and Barmes sure as heck won’t win $8M if they offer him arb.
Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!
I guess it was just a poor choice of words
in using “dumping” – curse not being able to edit posts.
Chris Iannetta status: DOOM
Seth Smith status: FREE SETH SMITH
Matt Murton status: Prisoner Exchanged for CarGon
Mike McCoy status: FREE MIKE MCCOY
by Andrew Martin on Jul 10, 2009 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions
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