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Troy Renck reports that Rincon has elbow stiffness

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by MacFrantic on Aug 1, 2009 4:09 PM MDT reply actions  

Is this a phantom injury?

Everyone says it has to be a legit injury to land on the DL but these kind of moves make one wonder.

"I've had pretty good success with Stan Musial by throwing him my best pitch and backing up third." - Carl Erskine

by pedalpusher on Aug 1, 2009 4:10 PM MDT reply actions  

Well, Wang is out with shoulder surgery

Then again, maybe he got beat up outside the stadium

Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!

by FooMan on Aug 1, 2009 4:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

True. Wang is legitimately on the DL. Now

I think he was on the DL earlier in the season also, which seemed suspect at the time (high suck factor, Yankees losing badly).

by SoxRoxFan on Aug 1, 2009 4:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

He was

but maybe the shoulder was bothering him then. He didn’t just suck, he was getting bombed to a history-making degree.

Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!

by FooMan on Aug 1, 2009 4:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's a weird line.

An injury cannot simply be “faked”, otherwise teams would be just putting every struggling player on the DL completely liberally and shamelessly. Besides, do you really think staying with the Rockies means enough to Rincon to fake an injury, or that R8incon means so much to the Rockies plans that they would go to all this trouble just to keep him? I certainly don’t; that would be illogical.

However, that doesn’t mean that putting Rincon on the DL isn’t also an easy way out of the situation. I can’t say I can deny that the appearance, condition, and severity of his injury are mighty convenient. The only logical conclusion, to me, is that the DL is often manipulated, but its constraints are not outright circumventable.

by Greg Stanwood on Aug 1, 2009 4:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Teams have been circumventing it all year

I’ll give you the two biggest examples – Khalil Greene and Dontrelle Willis going on the DL with “Anxiety Disorder”.

"Speak softly and carry a big (hockey) stick." - Theodore Roosevelt

by wtnelson on Aug 1, 2009 7:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

Anxiety disorders can be a very real, debilitating thing.

Obviously none of us are on the inside of either of those situations, but from what I’ve heard, it’s very much real for Khalil Greene. I don’t think we should so easily dismiss the possibility that a DL stint was necessary in those cases.

by holly96 on Aug 1, 2009 10:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't disagree

But, when a guy just forgets how to play, then goes on the DL with an anxiety disorder, to me that seems like they’re just digging for an excuse. Some are probably real, some are probably absolutely false. Joey Votto, as SRF mentioned below, I have a hard time believing.

"Speak softly and carry a big (hockey) stick." - Theodore Roosevelt

by wtnelson on Aug 2, 2009 3:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

But how do we know that the bad playing isn't because of the anxiety disorder?

It might, it might not. We have no real way to know. I guess I’d just rather give guys the benefit of the doubt on those types of things, because depression, anxiety disorders, etc., still have a bit of an undeserved social stigma (i.e., some judgment attached rather than realizing that it’s an actual illness) that I’d rather avoid falling into.

by holly96 on Aug 2, 2009 6:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

Votto was playing damned well when he went on the DL

From what I understand, his father (or someone close) died, and he had never truly gotten over, and started having panic attacks in the hotels as a result. This is all coming from his interview on MLB.com.

Votto’s DL trip was not fake.

by bballrox4717 on Aug 2, 2009 6:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure

it’s a case of elbow suckness…

The Rockies need some oldschool purple/white striped high socks. The team’s problem is it’s lack of swagger. I feel strongly that these socks will provide the swagger necessary to tap the potential that are the Rockies.

by Resolution on Aug 1, 2009 4:44 PM MDT reply actions  

Wow, a move that allows us not to DFA him

If he wasn’t so random with his control, he could actually be good.

He’s had injury problems, but this is too much of a coincidence….

by bballrox4717 on Aug 1, 2009 8:24 PM MDT reply actions  

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