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2009 NL Wild Card: the Los Angeles Dodgers?

We have have heard for months that the NL West race was decided, that the Dodgers would be triumphant.  Literally four months.

On June 29, Eric Stephen of TrueBlueLA emphatically stated:

THE NATIONAL LEAGUE WEST HAS ALREADY BEEN DECIDED.  THE RACE IS OVER.

Eric's argument was the Dodgers' historical success of converting such leads to division titles.  That's all well and good, but quite frankly, Maury Wills and Odalis Perez have far less to do with this race than Rafael Betancourt, Clayton Kershaw or Freddy Sanchez.

Barely a month into the season on May 6, Dave Cameron proclaimed on Fangraphs that the race was over.  Obviously, shaping his main argument around injured Diamondbacks was incredibly faulty reasoning, in retrospect.

After the Dodgers dropped 5 of 7 last week at home (their first losing homestand), the Rockies and Giants have each pulled within 5.5 games in second place.  There haven't been two teams that close to the Dodgers since May 13.  The last time the Giants were 5.5 back was May 14 - for the Rockies, April 29.

LA has lost Clayton Kershaw's last four starts, Randy Wolf has just one win in his last five, Chad Billingsley is hobbled and Jason Schmidt just went to the disabled list.  Suffice it to say, the personnel of the Dodgers' rotation remains in flux.  The difficulty of Dodgers' starters to go deep into games has forced Joe Torre to overwork his bullpen.  It has been mentioned multiple times, but it bears repeating.

The Dodgers' pen has thrown the 2nd-most innings in MLB.  Notice who have thrown the 2nd and 3rd least, respectively.  Can their bullpen keep up?  Broxton and Belisario have both had stints on the DL already, and George Sherrill was initiated into the tired-arm club in his fourth appearance with a 31-pitch outing Friday, a season-high.

The gap is closing.  Even SportsCenter and Buster Olney have acknowledged the shrinking lead in the last 24 hours.  The only question is if there's enough time.  San Francisco has 9 games left against Los Angeles, the Rockies 6.  So technically, both teams control their own destiny in the division.  With about 50 games to play, either team just has to make up one game out of each ten on Los Angeles the rest of the way.  In the past ten games, the Rockies have made up 3 games and the Giants two.

The scary part for Los Angeles is that word either.  Just as a comeback is more difficult with multiple teams in front of you, losing a division lead is more likely when more teams are on your tail.  It only takes one of the two teams to get hot or sweep a head-to-head series to become a real threat.

Conveniently, the Giants host the Dodgers for three starting tonight, where San Francisco is a sizzling 33-18.  A sweep brings them within 2.5.  Meanwhile, the Rockies will toy with the remnants of the Pirates roster, including tonight, when we face erstwhile Pirate Tom Gorzelanny vs the Cubs.

Is it time to panic for Joe Torre?  Sadly, no.  As Eric Stephen so astutely notes, every World Series champion this decade has had 17-game stretches as bad and as frequently, if not more, than Los Angeles has this season. Baseball Prospectus gives LA an 89% chance of taking the division still, or 78% through PECOTA projections, 77% via ELO odds.  They still have the best record in the NL, and only the Yankees have a better record overall.

It's not time to panic, but Los Angeles would be wise to clean off their rearview mirrors.  The monstrous Giants and giant Rockies in the mirror are most definitely closer than they appear.


 

NL West Report

Los Angeles (67-45, 1st, L3)

Last Week: 2-5.  1-2 vs Brewers. 1-3 vs Braves.  

Pace:  97-65.

Divisional Change:  Lost 1.5 game lead on SF and COL.

This Week: 3 game road series @ Giants.  3 game road series @ Diamondbacks

News:  Chad Billingsley was forced to leave his last start with a hamstring strain.  That was the same  headline after his previous start as well.


Chad Billingsley

#58 / Pitcher / Los Angeles Dodgers

6-1

245

R

R

Jul 29, 1984


W-L ERA WHIP K BB
2009 - Chad Billingsley 11-6 3.73 1.28 143 66


LA won't put their ace on the DL, choosing instead to be cautious with Billingsley.  On one hand, a ginger Billingsley is far better than their other options, but losing him longterm would be incredibly debilitating.  They've had difficulty enough filling the 5th starter spot.  Requiring 40% of their starts to be via stopgap starters would put their divisional champagne on ice.

Jon Heyman reported a blockbuster deal that failedAdrian Gonzalez and Heath Bell for James Loney, Russell Martin, James McDonald, Blake Dewitt, and Ivan Dejesus. Not surprisingly, it was reported later that the rumor was completely false.

ESPN reports the Dodgers are interested in John Smoltz, who was DFA'd by the Red Sox.

By adding George Sherrill, the Dodgers took on about $1 million in payroll, roughly half what the cheapskate Rockies added in Betancourt and Beimel (~$1.9million).

Eric Stephen's Week in Review is called "Don't Stop the Bleedin'" (?).  Let's hope his tribute to journey rings true while we adopt the song's true namesake as our rally cry.

Transactions: Optioned Scott Elbert and Cory Wade to AAA.  Recalled Eric Stults.  Acquired 25yo RHP Harvey Garcia from PIT for a PTBNL.

Injuries: Activated Ronald Belisario from 15-day DL and placed Jason Schmidt on the 15-day DL.  Transferred Will Ohman from 15-day DL to 60-day DL.


Los Angeles Dodgers Injuries

Doubtful

Player Injury Type Injury Date
Chad Billingsley hamstring 08/08/2009

15-Day

Player Injury Type Injury Date
Will Ohman shoulder 05/28/2009
Jason Schmidt shoulder 08/06/2009

60 Day DL / Out for the season

Player Injury Type Injury Date
Eric Milton lower-back 06/28/2009
Doug Mientkiewicz shoulder 04/17/2009
Xavier Paul ankle 05/21/2009

News on the other three divisional teams after the jump.

Star-divide

Arizona (50-62, 4th, L3, 17 GB)

Last Week: 4-3. 1-0 @ Mets, 3-0 @ Pirates, 0-3 @ Nationals

Pace:  72-90.

Divisional Change: Gained 2 games.

This Week:  3 game home series vs Mets.  3 game home series vs Dodgers.

News:  Brandon Webb underwent surgery last week, effectively ending his bid to return to the Diamondbacks this season. There is no timetable for his recovery, though the surgery on his labrum went well.  This also means, as I've noted before, that Webb's last start in Diamondbacks duds would be Opening Day this year, unless Arizona picks up the expensive option on damaged goods.

Arizona signed the talented but wild Daniel Cabrera.


Daniel Cabrera

#45 / Pitcher / Arizona Diamondbacks

6-9

270

R

R

May 28, 1981


W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2009 - Daniel Cabrera 0-5 9 8 0 0 0 0 40.0 48 39 26 4 35 16 5.85 2.08


AZ Snakepit reacts to the signing.

I found this article interesting, in the vein of the Jason Jennings/iPod piece. Max Scherzer uses advanced stats to evaluate his performance.  The article description calls the stats obscure, but Rowbots are well-versed in the "obscure."  After a couple rough starts, the Scherz comforted himself by noting BABIP abnormalities, while his season goal is to be a 4.0+ WAR pitcher.

Yusmeiro Petit was the definition of a 5th starter last week:  inconsistent.  The Petit Unit extended his scoreless innings streak to 14 by taking a no-hitter into the eighth on Tuesday, then lasted just 4 innings in giving up 4 runs and 9 hits to Washington yesterday.

Conor Jackson is eyeing the start of a rehab stint. He has been out three months with to Valley Fever, but may be able to start a rehab assignment as soon as next week, putting him in line to be activated in September.

Josh Byrnes predicts a busy waiver-trading season, which could include D-Backs Jon Garland and Doug Davis.

Transactions:  Called up OF Trent Oeltjen.  Optioned C Luke Carlin to AAA.

Injuries: Placed Justin Upton on 15-day DL.  Activated Chris Snyder from 15-day DL.


Arizona Diamondbacks Injuries

15-Day

Player Injury Type Injury Date
Eric Byrnes hand 06/26/2009
Justin Upton oblique 08/06/2009

60 Day DL / Out for the season

Player Injury Type Injury Date
Tom Gordon hamstring 05/04/2009
Conor Jackson pneumonia 05/12/2009
Brandon Webb shoulder 04/07/2009

Star-divide

San Diego (47-66, 5th, L1, 20.5 GB)

Last Week: 4-3.  1-2 vs Braves, 3-1 vs Mets.

Pace: 67-95.

Divisonal change:  Gained 2.0 games.

This Week: 3 game road series @ Brewers, 3 game road series vs. Cardinals.

News:  Buster Olney says that Adrian Gonzalez was more likely to be a Mariner if he was traded than play for any other team.  Geoff Baker of the Seattle Times discusses the failed trade at length.

Rox fans can relate to this:  Padres' first-rounder Drew Tate has yet to sign.  Tate is registered for classes at North Carolina and will reportedly play baseball and football at Chapel Hill if he doesn't sign.  Football practices start this week for UNC.

David Eckstein didn't want to be traded to a contender.  Not only is he a gritty gamer, but he's unselfish as well.  He actually wants to help stick around San Diego and help influence Padres rebuilding plan.

The Friars hope to rebuild via arms a la Braves of the 90's.  Aaron Poreda, Clayton Richard, Mat Latos and Adys Portillo surely won't become Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine, John Smoltz and Steve Avery, but it's still the right plan.

Padres release Prior after not seeing enough progress with rehab.


Mark Prior

#22 / Pitcher / San Diego Padres

6-5

230

R

R

Sep 07, 1980


The headline to this article will insult your intelligence.

Chad Gaudin was traded to the Yankees.

Everth Cabrera hit a walkoff grand slam off K-Rod Saturday, his second career HR.

Transactions:  Optioned RHP Josh Geer to AAA.  Geer was leading the Milky Way in HR allowed.  Recalled RHP Ryan Webb from AAA.  DFA'd catcher Jose Lobaton.  Optioned outfielder Drew Macias tto AAA.

Injuries: Activated catcher Henry Blanco from the 15-day disabled list.  Activated second baseman David Eckstein from the 15-day disabled list.  Transferred Brian Giles and Chris Young to the 60-day DL.


San Diego Padres Injuries

15-Day

Player Injury Type Injury Date
Nick Hundley forearm 06/18/2009
Brian Giles knee 06/19/2009
Edgar Gonzalez concussion 07/19/2009

60 Day DL / Out for the season

Player Injury Type Injury Date
Mark Worrell elbow 03/27/2009
Cha Seung Baek forearm 03/30/2009
Shawn Hill elbow 04/26/2009
Chris Young shoulder 06/15/2009
Cliff Floyd shoulder 06/18/2009

Star-divide

San Francisco (61-50, t-2nd, L1, 5.5 GB)

Last Week: 3-3.  2-1 @ Astros, 1-2 vs Reds.

Pace:  89-73.

Divisional Change:  Gained 1.5 games.

This Week: 3 game home series vs Dodgers, first 3 games of 4 game series @ Mets.  On one hand, the Giants draw a struggling team in which no extra motivation is necessary at home and a struggling, bad team, on the road.  On the other, they are facing the NL's best team by record and a team that ate the Rockies alive at home.

News:  San Francisco added $2.1million in payroll to acquire Freddy Sanchez, $200,000 more than it took the Rockies to bring in Beimel and Betancourt.

Peterson: Giants' rivals also busy making trades - San Jose Mercury News

Tim Lincecum was co-NL Player of the Week for the last week of July.  He shared it with Josh Willingham, who had two grand slams in a game.  Willingham was heavily rumored to be a trade target for Brian Sabean, but the Giants didn't pull the trigger.

Matt Cain is struggling.  To wit:

Month Starts W-L ER ERA HR
July 6 3-0 4 0.94 1
August 2 0-2 9 5.40 4

After allowing only four runs in six July starts, Cain has lost both his starts in August, allowing nine runs to the Reds and Astros.  He had allowed 2 HR in a game just once this year, but did so in both of his last two starts, meaning he has allowed as many HR in August in two starts as he did runs in six July starts. 
Matt Cain stats, news, and photos on ESPN.com.


Matt Cain

#18 / Pitcher / San Francisco Giants

6-3

245

R

R

Oct 01, 1984


W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2009 - Matt Cain 12-4 23 23 4 0 0 0 155.0 125 44 42 16 56 124 2.44 1.17


Grant at McCovey Chronicles muses on the general surliness of Giants fans.  He blames the lack of success on the field in recent years and reason to temper enthusiasm by the bay despite a competitive team.

Beyond the Box Score still doesn't buy the Giants' legitimacy.

Transactions:  Optioned outfielder John Bowker to AAA.

Injuries:  Activated infielder Rich Aurilia (toe) from the 15-day disabled list.  Transferred pitcher Randy Johnson to the 60-day disabled list.  Placed Henry Sosa on the 60-day DL.  Activated Joe Martinez from the 60 day DL.


San Francisco Giants Injuries

15-Day

Player Injury Type Injury Date
Nate Schierholtz hip 07/27/2009
Andres Torres hamstring 07/31/2009

60 Day DL / Out for the season

Player Injury Type Injury Date
Randy Johnson trapezius 07/06/2009
Noah Lowry ribs 03/27/2009
Kelvin Pichardo shoulder 06/28/2009
Henry Sosa shoulder 08/05/2009

Poll
What do you think about the NL West race?
Irrational optimism is cute. This race has been over for months
29 votes
Guardedly optimistic. It's definitely doable, but I doubt it will happen
165 votes
I'll drink that Kool-Aid. Either the Giants or Rockies will catch them
141 votes
Oblivious. Nudge me if the deficit is cut to 2 games.
25 votes

360 votes | Poll has closed

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AW you changed the poll you big jerk

I was voting “don’t talk to me about the race until it’s late september or the lead is less than 2 games”

Seth Smith status: Finally Getting Playing time
Mike McCoy status: FREE MIKE MCCOY

by Andrew Martin on Aug 10, 2009 10:27 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I edited the wording one minute after posting :)

None of the options were changed, really. Just more clear.

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 10, 2009 10:33 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

well the one I wanted to vote for went from the one I clicked on to the 4th option

therefore I voted for Pat Buchanan.

Seth Smith status: Finally Getting Playing time
Mike McCoy status: FREE MIKE MCCOY

by Andrew Martin on Aug 10, 2009 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Matt Cain has gone HR crazy this month

2.4 HR9

His K/BB has actually tripled as well.

Seth Smith status: Finally Getting Playing time
Mike McCoy status: FREE MIKE MCCOY

by Andrew Martin on Aug 10, 2009 10:34 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Sample size snarkiness?

Fair enough, but no team needs a dominating start from their #2 pitcher more than the Giants. And naturally, if it’s an indicator of injury or fatigue, it’s notable for the stretch run.

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 10, 2009 10:37 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh absolutely SSS

But if you’re gonna cite ERA splits in your article…..

Seth Smith status: Finally Getting Playing time
Mike McCoy status: FREE MIKE MCCOY

by Andrew Martin on Aug 10, 2009 10:38 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure...

I just hate Cain with a passion and will take any opportunity to make him look bad. :) Okay, that sounds unethical almost. I realize it’s not the most telling, but it makes the point that something’s up…good point with the K/BB though

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 10, 2009 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have nothing against Cain

he’s effective and good. I hate the hype and lack thereof.

Seth Smith status: Finally Getting Playing time
Mike McCoy status: FREE MIKE MCCOY

by Andrew Martin on Aug 10, 2009 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh and it wasn't sarcasm

I was gonna post his FIP and K/BB/HR9 splits, but then discovered he didn’t really have enough IP to really rationalize posting them, so I figured I’d just say “He dominated batters, except when they dominated him. There was no nickel-and-dime middle ground.”

Seth Smith status: Finally Getting Playing time
Mike McCoy status: FREE MIKE MCCOY

by Andrew Martin on Aug 10, 2009 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Almost from the moment I typed those words, I knew that comment would come back to bite me. :)

by Eric Stephen on Aug 10, 2009 10:48 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

It hasn't yet.

But I hope it does :)

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 10, 2009 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seth Smith status: Finally Getting Playing time
Mike McCoy status: FREE MIKE MCCOY

by Andrew Martin on Aug 10, 2009 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Keep the faith

the reason this is becoming a race is because of the excellent play of the Rockies and Giants. If they can continue playing at that rate then they deserve something but it is very doubtful either team can keep it up. Could be a fun Aug/Sept since the games might mean something after all.

It may have nothing to do with Wills/Gilliam but it has everything to do with historical precedent, and on you are on very sound footing in that context.

by meercatjohn on Aug 10, 2009 11:02 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why would it be so doubtful?

Teams can have good months, but the Rockies have been playing as good as the Dodgers did at the start of the season for two and a half months now. Really the two teams are pretty close to equal in talent level, and the Rockies have the healthier arms. I think you underestimate the quality of your opponents. While Eric’s probably going to be vindicated when the division title is actually awarded to LA, I think there will definitely be a race to the finish for it.

by Rox Girl on Aug 10, 2009 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did the Dodgers lose an arm?

Last I looked we gained Kuo, Belisario, and Sherrill without anyone we care about having an arm problem. I assume you must be talking about Schmidt and that would be addition by subtraction. Most Dodger fans will be happy having Stults in the five spot going forward. Or Mcdonald, or Elbert, or Haegar. Anyone but Schmidt.

by meercatjohn on Aug 10, 2009 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe not lost

But surely seeing your ace leave consecutive starts due to the same injury has to worry you to a degree, no? Positive feedback be damned, that hammy is not healed, and its a long drop off from a healthy billingsley to McDonald or Schmidt or whoever

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 10, 2009 12:19 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, hammy is a concern

but the comment was

Really the two teams are pretty close to equal in talent level, and the Rockies have the healthier arms.
which indicated she felt we had some injured arms. Cook’s toe would be on the same level as Chad’s hammy so she meant arms not body pieces. I’m more worried that Kershaw hits a wall then Chad’s hammy, but if anything he’s getting stronger. I’m a big believer in historical precedent and while the ups and downs will be nerve whacking, I expect the finish to be the same.

I do hope there is a race and that going to games in Sept will mean something. Nothing like head to head games in Sept with the postseason at stake.

by meercatjohn on Aug 10, 2009 1:05 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not doubtful

If both teams continue to play as they have over the last fifty games. Project that over the last fifty and both teams win 94. Based on recent play, no reason to think the Dodgers will outplay either the Giants or Rockies over remaining fifty.

"If you're going to be stupid, you'd better be tough."

by Rawktober on Aug 10, 2009 12:50 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

They don't need to out play either team,

last I looked, they need to be outplayed by 5 1/2 games which is why I used the word “doubtful”.

by meercatjohn on Aug 10, 2009 1:06 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unlikely, but hardly without precedent

Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave

by Mondogarage on Aug 10, 2009 1:57 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

History also says

a team should not blow a 7 game lead with 17 games to play but that happened also a team that is behind 6 games in the WC standings with a few weeks to go should not make the playoffs but that happened to…i still don’t have a good feeling that we will pass you guys i just want the Rockies to make the playoffs and if we pass LA then good….but history really isn’t a big indicator that you will definitely hold this 5 1/2 game lead the rest of the way

we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE

"TuLoRocks2008 had the most comments I've seen in any game thread this year (322)...Can such a feat be eclipsed?" ..... Bring it on!!

by TuLoRocks2008 on Aug 10, 2009 2:04 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

As much as I hope the Rox win the West

The argument meercatjohn is making is that it is highly unlikely. He doesn’t ever say “impossible” just “doubtful.” There are examples of leads being blown, but all he is saying is that it is highly unlikely. I have to agree that it is unlikely. Playoff odds still list them as ~90% chance of winning the division for a reason. Let’s give meercatjohn a break here and hope we can come back in a couple months and show the LA fans a new precedent in LA Dodger history: blowing large divisional leads.

by realmenwearpurple on Aug 10, 2009 3:35 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

yea i never got on him

i even said i don’t feel we will pass them if we do then we do

we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE

"TuLoRocks2008 had the most comments I've seen in any game thread this year (322)...Can such a feat be eclipsed?" ..... Bring it on!!

by TuLoRocks2008 on Aug 10, 2009 4:42 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wasn't talking to just you

some people here were arguing with a point he didnt make.

by realmenwearpurple on Aug 10, 2009 4:52 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know it is highly unlikely

but how funny would it be if the Dodgers missed the playoffs?

President of the Don Draper fan club.

by jcd823 on Aug 10, 2009 11:19 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

See:

Mets, NY; 2007-2008

Seth Smith status: Finally Getting Playing time
Mike McCoy status: FREE MIKE MCCOY

by Andrew Martin on Aug 10, 2009 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I chose the one that sounded like I didn't care (oblivious)

I’d much rather see the Giants 3 behind us (but still 5.5 behind the Dodgers) than the Rockies 2 games in back of LA but still tied with the Giants. Honestly, it’s about making the playoffs, winning the division is just gravy at this point.

by bballrox4717 on Aug 10, 2009 11:26 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

see I MEANT to choose that one...

Seth Smith status: Finally Getting Playing time
Mike McCoy status: FREE MIKE MCCOY

by Andrew Martin on Aug 10, 2009 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I want that gravy, though...

I hate that the Rockies are the only NL West team without a division title to their credit and that the Diamondbacks, and their fans, keep reminding us of that.

by Rox Girl on Aug 10, 2009 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Count me in the gravy boat

"If you're going to be stupid, you'd better be tough."

by Rawktober on Aug 10, 2009 12:53 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would like the gravy too, it's the perfect topping

but we would have to be satisfied with getting the playoff spot.

by bballrox4717 on Aug 10, 2009 4:03 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll stick with whatever wording...

of “wake me when we’re two games out” you like.

The point here is we just have to win and see. I’m comfortable with a Rox v. Giants for the wild card OR a Rox v. Dodgers v Giants for the division with second place being wild.

I’m a bit leery given we lost 3-of-4 in New York and 2-of-3 in Philly but I like where we sit.

by Since1993 on Aug 10, 2009 11:26 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

We also swept a team that just swept the Giants...

That doesn’t really change how strong the Rockies are or the Reds. Teams have up and down stretches whether they’re good or bad, the Mets were in a zone when we played them, the Dodgers are in an anti-zone right now, but the Mets aren’t a good team, and the Dodgers aren’t a bad team. Trying to extrapolate the strength of a team from a couple of cherry picked losing series will probably make you leery most of the time. Overall the team’s still winning 2 out of every 3, like it has since the beginning of June. Bad or even mediocre teams don’t do that.

by Rox Girl on Aug 10, 2009 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with that.

I probably should have said: “The only roadblock to me dyeing my hair purple and shooting my mouth off that we’re a lock for the playoffs is that we lost 3 in New York and 2 in Philly.” I mean it wasn’t a healthy sign that our hitting abandonned us on the road but it’s really only going to come down to how we do against divisional oppenents to decide the matter.

by Since1993 on Aug 10, 2009 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dodgers Pitching

Why didn’t the Dodgers try harder to get Cliff Lee if their staff is in such shambles?

by TripleT-Rox on Aug 10, 2009 1:42 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

their minor league talent wasn't as advanced as the Phillies

Meaning the cost would have had to come from the major league roster. At that point it made little sense to trade somebody like Clayton Kershaw or Matt Kemp for Lee because they’d be losing almost as much value this season as they’d gain, and a lot more in seasons to come.

by Rox Girl on Aug 10, 2009 1:50 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh please

the Phillies gave up four minor leaguers, and we could match each and every one of them. The Indians were not asking for Chad or Clayton from us.

I think “shambles” needs to be defined since I don’t think it means what you think it means. Just because Buster Olney writes something doesn’t mean jack. The fifth spot is a hole but so is everyone else’s including Buster’s Red Sox who will throwing out a lambchop tomorrow night. Clayton has been just about the best pitcher in the NL for two months, Chad is struggling but only compared to what he was doing, Kuroda is coming on, and Wolf has been very consistent in a good way. McDonald, Kuo, Belisario, Sherrill, Broxton – not a foursome that brings to mind a problem in the bullpen.

by meercatjohn on Aug 10, 2009 2:00 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm just glad

that the dodgers did not get Lee. However, we may have to face Lee again during the playoffs.

Maybe shambles was too harsh, and tired is a better term. The Rockies staff has been looking a little tired itself. Maybe some divisional play will amp the Rockies staff up for the playoff run in the next 50 games.

by TripleT-Rox on Aug 10, 2009 2:30 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

it is do able

but i just want to make the playoffs if we overtake the dodgers then so be it…i will be rooting for LA in this upcoming series definitely.

we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE

"TuLoRocks2008 had the most comments I've seen in any game thread this year (322)...Can such a feat be eclipsed?" ..... Bring it on!!

by TuLoRocks2008 on Aug 10, 2009 2:01 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I will be rooting for

the Giants. The Rox SHOULD be able to beat down the Cubbies tonight and the Pirates the next three, therefore after the LA-SF series, we are still tied with the Giants, and only 2.5 back of the Dodgers for the division. Looking at the schedule is fun, but in reality, the Rockies just need to win ballgames and everything will work itself out.

Eric Berry for Heisman!

by Volorado on Aug 10, 2009 2:46 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Rockies and Giants will BOTH catch the Dodgers and LA will miss the playoffs.

You read it here first.

"I've had pretty good success with Stan Musial by throwing him my best pitch and backing up third." - Carl Erskine

by pedalpusher on Aug 10, 2009 2:52 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Well maybe not first, but you did read it here.

"I've had pretty good success with Stan Musial by throwing him my best pitch and backing up third." - Carl Erskine

by pedalpusher on Aug 10, 2009 2:53 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

From my April 6th predictions:
Rockies clinch their first division championship in very convincing fashion after the Dodgers lineup falls victim to the injury bug after the ASG. Helton is Comebacker of the Year, U-Ball and Fowler make very good arguments for Cy Young and ROTY respectively.

So you read it there first ;) . Though I didn’t predict the Giants to be #2 (I said they’d finish 4th behind the Snakes).

"Admirably obsessive." - Uni Watch, March 24th, 2009
NA34 | HK | RMN

by oo_nrb on Aug 10, 2009 3:19 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I will admit

LA with their rotation problems isn’t looking too hot, but their lineup hasn’t changed one bit besides Manny and his steroid problems….

by bballrox4717 on Aug 10, 2009 4:02 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lol

Way to be completely biased. Why don’t you take a look through your normal fan goggles rather than your Rockies goggles.

Look at the schedule in the September, look at the Dodgers success against the NL West this year, look at the fact the Rockies would have to actually be a game better than the Dodgers to win the West because the Dodgers are close to taking the season series.

I know I look like a jerk, but maybe you should act realistic.

by Ivdown on Aug 14, 2009 5:06 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is a Rockies blog dude. Fans can be optimistic

If they weren’t, the Padres would have had zero attendance this season. The claim was mostly tongue in cheek anyway, though it’s certainly possible.

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 16, 2009 6:38 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also, these aren't the same Rockies the Dodgers beat up the first half of the season

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 16, 2009 6:39 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is it just me or does it seem

there are a bunch of guys changing teams after the deadline. I know some of this happens every year, but this year seems like there’s much more.

"I've had pretty good success with Stan Musial by throwing him my best pitch and backing up third." - Carl Erskine

by pedalpusher on Aug 10, 2009 3:34 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Just wait until the winter.

That’s when there will be a lot of dumping, particularly of players in their last arbitration seasons like Atkins, but possibly also a few just entering arbitration eligibility.

by Rox Girl on Aug 10, 2009 3:36 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Again.....welcome to my world

about a month ago…I was saying the Dodgers were the favorite to win the Wild Card. It’s good to see more people coming around.

I’m a visionary I tells ya!

by Redhawk on Aug 10, 2009 3:56 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

We were 12 games back on June 10th and

9 back on July 10th. Make of that what you will.

by Since1993 on Aug 10, 2009 4:14 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Alex Rios just got claimed by the White Sox

for nothing but they took on his whole salary…nice dump by the Jays

we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE

"TuLoRocks2008 had the most comments I've seen in any game thread this year (322)...Can such a feat be eclipsed?" ..... Bring it on!!

by TuLoRocks2008 on Aug 10, 2009 4:47 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, they saved a lot of money

but where are they going to find actual outfield production now since Rios was actually pretty damn good?

by bballrox4717 on Aug 10, 2009 4:49 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Travis Snider will fill that void offensively

but I like what the Sox did since they can now turn Rios into the CF he should have been all along.

Snider failed in his initial callup but I expect he will do just fine as he accumulates at bats.

by meercatjohn on Aug 10, 2009 5:25 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I almost forgot about Snider

I’m guessing they keep the black hole formally known as Vernon Wells in centerfield then, and have Snider in RF.

by bballrox4717 on Aug 10, 2009 5:30 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

White Sox

must really want to win. Peavy and now Rios. Wow

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by jrockies on Aug 10, 2009 4:49 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

And the White Sox are spending like theyt hink are the Yankees

First Peavy, now Rios, that really might bite them in a year or two if they start failing.

by bballrox4717 on Aug 10, 2009 4:50 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

yea crazyy lol

we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE

"TuLoRocks2008 had the most comments I've seen in any game thread this year (322)...Can such a feat be eclipsed?" ..... Bring it on!!

by TuLoRocks2008 on Aug 10, 2009 5:02 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

our line up is posted

http://blogs.denverpost.com/rockies/2009/08/10/torrealba-gets-another-start-no-word-on-starter/

we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE

"TuLoRocks2008 had the most comments I've seen in any game thread this year (322)...Can such a feat be eclipsed?" ..... Bring it on!!

by TuLoRocks2008 on Aug 10, 2009 5:22 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

though I am Dodger fan,

I have tons of respects for the Rockies. They already shocked (and indirectly destroyed) one southern California franchise two years ago, and I certainly hope that doesn’t happen again.

The bright side of all this is that I LOOOOVE when the critics are wrong, even if it’s not in my favor. It seems that ESPN Radio, who has no love for the Dodgers, used “The NL West Race is over” as far back as June, more as an excuse to go back to talking about their beloved Yankees/Red Sox rivalry some more, to the extent that they discuss baseball (or sports, for that matter) at all. Did you notice that the Red Sox/Yankees series got about 10 times more coverage than the equally important Dodgers/Giants series? Wow, how the mighty have fallen (meaning ESPN). I used to really like them, now I watch/listen to it because I almost literally have no other choice.

Getting back to the matter at hand, it is amazing how a team can look so bad for the first two months, then look so good for the next two (and counting). Was there really that much of a difference between Hurdle & Tracy? Unreal. I will say this in defense of the “experts”- If you told me back in May that two teams in the NL West would step it up and challenge the Dodgers, I sure as heck wouldn’t think it’d be the Rockies, either!

by sarcastro9 on Aug 14, 2009 4:47 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, Broxton has NOT been on the DL

The Dodgers bullpen, while overworked, has been one of the 3 best in baseball, and it’s only improved by getting back Belasario and the trade for Sherill a couple weeks ago.

That isn’t to mention Josh Lindblom is just sitting in AAA waiting for his name to be called to step into the bullpen. Check out his numbers, he is a very good bullpen arm (though I’d like to see him start rather than close).

And not to sound like a jerk, or an overconfident Dodger fan, but the Dodgers recently played their worst stretch this season against the likes of the Braves, the Cardinals, the Giants, and the Brewers.

All of this happened while the Rockies played against the slumping Phillies, the slumping Cubs, the Reds, and the AAA Pirates.

I am not trying to take anything away from the Rockies, they should beat up on slumping teams and bad teams. But what I am trying to say is that the Dodgers played their worst stretch of baseball this season against teams that were playing some of their best baseball (Braves and Cards), and 2 other teams fighting for their divisions and the WildCard, while the Rockies played (albeit good teams) the Philles and Cubs who are playing some of their worst baseball, and then played 2 teams that haven’t sniffed the division or wildcard in months.

Confidence is great and all, but with 47 games left, being down 5 games, and the easy september schedule for the Dodgers, the Rockies would have to do incredibly good to make the Dodgers become the Wild Card team.

No, I’m not saying it can’t happen. I am saying it most likely won’t happen.

Let’s say the Dodgers go 26-21 the rest of the way through the season. In order for the Rockies to win the division (remember, the Dodgers have beat up on the rockies this season, and I believe are close to securing the season victory of them), they would have to go 32-15 the rest of the way to take the division.

That is if the Dodgers just do pretty well against the pretty weak schedule they have for the rest of the season. Keep in mind the Dodgers are 32-13 against the NL West, who they will be playing a lot from now on.

Best of luck to the Rockies, I’d much rather see them in the playoffs than the Giants with their 1-2 punch, but I wouldn’t mind seeing Dodgers-Rockies or Dodgers-Giants in the NLCS, so maybe ESPN will notice that there is baseball played West of the Mississippi.

by Ivdown on Aug 14, 2009 5:02 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

The Rockies swept the Cardinals at St. Louis for four games when we played there

The Phillies and Cubs have two of the best records in the NL (along with the Braves, I’ll give you that) since the beginning of July, and the Cubs in particular weren’t slumping until they ran up against the Rockies, who thoroughly demoralized them.If they are playing their worst baseball, and given the broad picture, that’s unlikely, it’s in large part because they are playing the Rockies. If you want a team that’s really slumping, the Brewers are the fourth worst team in the NL since July 1. So I guess I’m saying that your statement:

I am not trying to take anything away from the Rockies,

Rings false given the rest of your content. You are absolutely trying to downplay the Rockies and their schedule, so don’t give us the dishonest qualifier if you’re just going to be shoveling Dodger bias after that.

At any rate, I personally agree with you, I don’t think the Rockies catch the Dodgers, but I think it’s mostly because the last three games of the season are between our teams in your home yard. I think it will come down to that.

by Rox Girl on Aug 15, 2009 7:32 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

My bad on Broxton

I had in my head that he did, though he missed time with that toe. Regarding the bullpen, the fact that the bullpen has been so good does not mean it will continue to be so given the workload. Aside from the headline of the article, the overall tone is that “it is possible that the Dodgers could lose the lead, and here’s how it would happen, though it’s unlikely.”

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 16, 2009 6:42 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

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