Tuesday Rockpile: The Rise of Troy
Prince Troy, Queen Helen and I salute you
Sadly, I missed last night's game. I was out celebrating the landing of a new job and didn't witness a second, but I hear our shortstop had a pretty special night.
For the second straight night, the Rockies pounded Chicago pitching while abandoning Cubs all over the bases. But of course, that wasn't the story line. Troy Tulowitzki hit for cycle, becoming the fifth Rockie to hit for the cycle (all at home) and the eighth in Coors Field history. No other MLB park has seen more than five since 1995.
A quick glance at the Rockies history book shows Rockies fans were spoiled, witnessing four cycles in barely a two year span before Tulowitzki ended the home team's nine-year drought. Some other facts from Tulo's big day:
- He was the first shortstop in MLB history to go 5-for-5 with 7 RBI.
- He became the first NL player with an unassisted triple play and a cycle in his career. John Valentin of the Red Sox is the only AL player with the feat.
- A prospective grand slam was called a foul ball and was the first replay reviewed utilized in a Rockies or Cubs game. Due to inconclusive replay, the call was sustained as a foul ball. Had it been a grand slam, ignoring the butterfly effect for fun, he would have still had the cycle, two home runs, and 9 RBI. No Blake Street Bomber ever achieved 9 RBI in a game.
- As it stood, the 7 RBI was Tulowitzki's career high.
- In truth, Tulo's triple was a function of the Cubs' continuously poor fielding and a bit of a homer scoring call. Guys don't triple down the left field line unless they are Dexter Fowler.
- The cycle was the sixth in MLB this year and just the second in the NL.
- Tulowitzki's ranks among
NLMLB shortstops: HR (1st), RBI (3rd), BBs (2nd), SLG% (3rd), SBs (6th), wOBA (3rd), WAR (5th). All of that in spite of a .305 BABIP, which is below MLB average for shortstops and 35+ points below the only shortstops that challenge him in the above statistics. Good thing we didn't trade him. If he had a line drive rate even as good as Asdrubal Cabrera....
You can thank Brad Hawpe, who went 1-for-5, for the cycle feat. From Troy Renck:
The 24-year-old shortstop was a triple shy of the cycle. Hit a ball behind an outfielder, Hawpe said, and there's no stopping.
"I swear I wouldn't have gone if he hadn't said anything," Tulowitzki said. "It was craziest thing that has ever happened."
The way the nearly grand slam instant replay was handled inspired a new Mark Kiszla rant. He spends most of the piece stating that baseball is way beyond the curve technologically with these things and that they need to progress significantly. He then backtracks at the end, aided by a Tulo quote, saying "Human error is part of what makes sports such compelling drama...All we're asking is: If baseball is going to employ instant replay, at least try to do it right."
A USATODAY piece points out a trend Rockies fans have come to notice: as Tulo goes, so do the Rockies.
Other Rockies News
What kind of encore can the Rockies have for last night? How about an MLB starting debut for their top prospect? Jhoulys Chacin will get the start tonight against Ross Ohlendorf and the Pirates with a pitch count of 70-75. Jim Tracy actually had more confidence in Josh Fogg, and that's why Chacin gets the start. Should Chacin blow up and Tracy need to utilize a reliever to bite the bullet and pitch multiple innings, the Rox manager was more comfortable with the erstwhile Dragon Slayer taking on that job.
Courtesy of an article by Harry Pavladis of BtB from two weeks ago, here is a literal pitch tracking image of Jhoulys Chacin's pitches:

Aaron Cook saw a foot specialist for the sprain and inflammation in his right big toe - his push-off foot. Cook will throw Thursday in a bullpen session but for now seems on course to start Saturday in Florida
If Troy is Tulo Jit to Quit, then maybe Seth Smith is "Too Legit to Sit." Troy Renck addresses the Rockies almost too deep outfield issue in his latest mailbag, essentially stating that Ryan Spilborghs will move on after this year (big surprise) and that Seth Smith doomed himself by succeeding as a pinch-hitter.
Dexter Fowler made a tremendous catch last night, crashing into the wall in the ninth to make the grab, sealing a spot in ESPN's top plays. Such a play is scary for the Rockies centerfielder, who broke his right hand crashing into the wall. No broken bones this time. He bruised his knee and likely will sit tonight but should be fine.
Torrealba hits hot streak, gets chance to start - The Denver Post
Yorvit got consecutive starts for the first time since Iannetta was on the disabled list, nine weeks ago. He claims he is "200% mentally" right now. Also in the article, Greg Reynolds won't pitch anymore this year and will likely go to the instructional league after the season to overhaul his delivery. Manuel Corpas will play catch today in the first step for his attempted return next month.
In terms of scoreboard watching, the Dodgers beat the Giants last night, giving the Rockies sole possession of the wild card but keeping them 5.5 games out of first in the NL West. Randy Wolf faces Joe Martinez tonight at 8:05 MDT.
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Fangraphs WAR vs Baseball Prospectus WARP
I read the stats you showed about Tulo, and it. showed great offense, but only the fifth best WAR because his defense hurt him. I don’t like their method of rating defense. WARP is more accurate, and has Tulo quite a bit ahead of Jeter and Bartlett
by brian8065 on Aug 11, 2009 9:58 AM MDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
you don't like it because....
it doesn’t say good numbers?
I don’t like BP because their numbers are all snakeoil and secrets. I mean, they’re good, but I wish I could see their buildup.
at least with UZR we get some sort of explanation.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 11, 2009 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh heh, coke to RMN
Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!
by FooMan on Aug 11, 2009 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha cha cha cha cha cha
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 11, 2009 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would you say WARP is more accurate?
Is there a reason beyond not having Tulo high enough? WARP been maligned for years for having goofy fielding stats and for setting the replacement level far too low, to the point that it’s reached irrelevancy. They’ve supposedly revised it by changing FRAA to a different method, and by revising the replacement level, but now BPro is so out of the loop who knows what work they’ve done. Did they ever post an article outside the pay wall explaining their changes?
Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!
by FooMan on Aug 11, 2009 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
one other thing about your WAR stats....
Tulo is 2nd in the NL—5th in MLB.
All your other stats are NL only.
by DenverBears on Aug 11, 2009 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, all those rankings were MLB rankings, not NL rankings.
I made a typo in saying NL. Thanks for the catch
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 11, 2009 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
FG WAR is much better than BPro's WARP
No fielding stat is perfect, but FG’s (UZR) is way beyond BPro’s (FRAA). Why? Because UZR uses data based on specific plays made and missed and includes location, pitcher/hitter handedness, type of batted ball, and an estimate of batted ball speed. FRAA uses aggregate totals of things like plays made, errors, assists, etc. It’s like trying to bake when you’re only given ingredients, but not how much of each ingredient to use or how to combine them.
Now, because of inaccuracy, some players will have ratings that are significantly off in any given season. FRAA will be off more often and by larger amounts than UZR, but UZR still makes mistakes. FRAA might be more accurate with Tulo this season than UZR, but it’s not a better metric. Coin flipping will pick some games right that even the best expert misses, but that doesn’t make the coin the better option.
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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 11, 2009 10:53 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
how do you feel about Dex's FRAA of 2
as compared to his -18 UZR/150?
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 11, 2009 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has there been any description of the revisions to FRAA?
I hear there’s a claim they use pbp data, but have they discussed any specifics? I’m not a BPro subscriber, and I never see anyone discussing FRAA.
I think it’s kind of goofy not to change the name of the stat if they’ve updated the method to that radical a degree.
Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!
by FooMan on Aug 11, 2009 1:11 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have not watched Dex play, although by reputation he should be more of a +2.
Like I said, UZR will miss sometimes. So will FRAA. UZR misses by less and does it less often.
There are many counter examples to FRAA being more accurate if we took the time to look them up. For example, Franklin Gutierrez rates as -9 runs by FRAA. Yikes.
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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 11, 2009 4:37 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
OMG just say the video of the triple
I’m glad it will go down in history as one, but it’s utterly laughable that it wasn’t one, maybe even two errors. Makes the Barmes double play mis-umpire look close :)
by biondino on Aug 11, 2009 10:04 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Hometown scorekeeper
That definately was not a triple. The replay showed Soriano jogging to the ball, bobbling the ball, and the throw was off-line. TuLo admited that he thought he was going to be out and that it felt like he crawled to 3rd. I’ll accept it none-the-less. It is history now.
I think that TuLo is hot right now. (understatement)
Cubs fans are all over Soriano on other blogs.
by TripleT-Rox on Aug 11, 2009 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
as they should be
he can’t hit, can’t field and makes 18 million this year and IS SIGNED THROUGH 2014. bwahahaha, typing that sentence makes me very happy.
by Narcoleptico on Aug 11, 2009 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Schadenfreude, HOOOOHHHHHHHHHH
I’m with you
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 11, 2009 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
how do you drive a ship
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 11, 2009 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
good article
"I've never known a man worth his salt who in the long run, deep down in his heart, didn't appreciate the grind, the discipline... I firmly believe that any man's finest hour - this greatest fulfillment to all he holds dear is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." - Vince Lombardi
by nodakroxfan on Aug 11, 2009 11:11 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
yes very nice article
we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE
"TuLoRocks2008 had the most comments I've seen in any game thread this year (322)...Can such a feat be eclipsed?" ..... Bring it on!!
by TuLoRocks2008 on Aug 11, 2009 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good catch
that must have been posted after I had collected my links…wouldn’t have wanted to miss that one.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 11, 2009 12:53 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of the best things about that picture
is the Cubs fan to the left with his hands on his head. It gives me a savage pleasure to see the Rockies pound the Cubs, especially at Coors.
by avsfan4ever33 on Aug 11, 2009 10:13 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
here, here
"If you're going to be stupid, you'd better be tough."
by Rawktober on Aug 11, 2009 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
fun fact about hitting for the cycle:
Did you know that 3 teams have never had a player hit for the cycle?
*Marlins
- Rays
and surprisingly, the Padres!
40 years in the league and not a single cycle. pretty amazing.
by bushwah on Aug 11, 2009 10:23 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Corpas
At this point do we even want him back this season? He has been so inconsistent and our pen is in pretty good shape right now.
President of the Don Draper fan club.
by jcd823 on Aug 11, 2009 10:23 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Rosters expand in September, remember (poetry in posting right there)
and it won’t hurt to have him up. We can reevaluate then, and see who is where.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 11, 2009 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
BABIP comment
Is that supposed to imply that Tulo’s only behind the other shortstops due to luck?
A .305 BABIP is just fine. It’s right inline with the league and team avg, the MLB avg for shortstops, and his career mark (.314).
Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!
by FooMan on Aug 11, 2009 10:34 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Tulo still remarkable
Anyway, I have no problem marveling at Tulo being 5th in WAR or thereabouts, considering we’re just over 2/3 through the season, his April/May were sub-par, and he’s still 5th behind two vets having career years, an amazing, consistent player, and a hall of famer having a resurgent age 35 season. He could easily catch one more more of them by end of season.
Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!
by FooMan on Aug 11, 2009 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
why are we comparing BABIP between just shortstops?
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 11, 2009 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
no im not saying it is due to luck
I was noting his production that has put him near the leagues best has been done while requiring him to overcome a large babip disparity. As you’ve noted, that babip is legit as is and not due to bad luck. He has a pretty low line drive rate
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 11, 2009 11:01 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
and by large babip disparity
I mean in relation to the company he’s keeping at the top of the stay charts – Bartlett, cabrera, jeter, Ramirez and scutaro.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 11, 2009 11:07 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I was looking at Tulo vs Ramirez and Bartlett
…and if he cleans up the strikeouts, I think he is top dog.
"If you're going to be stupid, you'd better be tough."
by Rawktober on Aug 11, 2009 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
as a full package, sure
I don’t think Bartlett was ever this good in Minny
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 11, 2009 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
no where close
Tampa bay sure won that trade
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by nodakroxfan on Aug 11, 2009 1:09 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
It's a shame Delmon Young just fell completely apart
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 11, 2009 3:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did anyone notice
Tulo’s stance at the plate last night was more upright? I don’t know, maybe he has been doing this for a while but last night was the first time I noticed it.
by GoldenNugget on Aug 11, 2009 10:53 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
They've mentioned it quite a bit
as an explanation for his turn around this season. After his slow start, I think Baylor suggested he stand more upright, and he’s been on a tear ever since.
by ShadowPenguin on Aug 11, 2009 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
the suggestion came from Jim Tracy, shortly after he became the manager.
"We made too many wrong mistakes." ~Yogi Berra
"The ballplayer who loses his head, who can't keep his cool, is worse than no ballplayer at all." ~Lou Gehrig
JFK
by jrockies on Aug 11, 2009 12:52 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah thanks
Couldn’t remember which coach it was
by ShadowPenguin on Aug 11, 2009 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
My man crush for Tulo is becoming unhealthy...
"If you're going to be stupid, you'd better be tough."
by Rawktober on Aug 11, 2009 11:22 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
It's not unhealthy, it's perfectly natural and nothing to be ashamed of
by biondino on Aug 11, 2009 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
i mean, its not like hes Greg Reynolds
/ducks silverblood’s shoe
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 11, 2009 11:52 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
yeah he's actually playing
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 11, 2009 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey what makes you think *I* understand why I like Greg Reynolds so much
I love Greg Reynolds. Deal with it, suckers.
by Silverblood on Aug 11, 2009 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking the same thing
in that now I’m going to go on a 13 year Troy Tulowitzki baseball card search [I’ve done that with Helton and amassed quite a few (430ish) cards]. I hope I can increase both of their card levels now that I’m capable of buying my own cards.
"We made too many wrong mistakes." ~Yogi Berra
"The ballplayer who loses his head, who can't keep his cool, is worse than no ballplayer at all." ~Lou Gehrig
JFK
by jrockies on Aug 11, 2009 12:54 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
This may be the dumbest question ever
But could you give me a comprehensive rundown of what baseball cards are, why some are sought after, who makes them, what formats etc? I could probably look on wikipedia but you guys like educating idiots :)
by biondino on Aug 11, 2009 1:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
We'll start simple
This is a baseball card:
"Good teams win games, horse**** teams have meetings." - Ozzie Guillen
by free7694 on Aug 11, 2009 2:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm doing this from work about 130 miles from my own baseball card collection
1. Baseball cards are collectors items that track a baseball player through his career. They are 3.5″ × 2.5″ with a picture of the player on the front of the card and the player’s statistics by year on the back.
2. Cards that are sought after are typically rare and hard to find. These are usually the big name players like Pujols, Bonds, Chipper Jones etc. Some people such as myself enjoy collecting teams or players: I specifically collect Colorado Rockies cards and players who have ever played for the Rockies.
3. There are several different companies that make the cards: Topps, Upper Deck and Fleer are the most common companies.
4. Formats: As shown above some cards are clear and shiny while some are just glossy. Others may be cut to have different designs or have pieces of game used memorabilia in them (bats, jersey’s and bases are the most common). The different card companies have different traits and smaller sub-companies such as the Upper Deck SP cards which are quite a bit more expensive than the plain Upper Deck cards.
This should be a start if you have any more questions about cards please feel free to ask.
"We made too many wrong mistakes." ~Yogi Berra
"The ballplayer who loses his head, who can't keep his cool, is worse than no ballplayer at all." ~Lou Gehrig
JFK
by jrockies on Aug 11, 2009 2:54 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
one addition
starting next year…Topps will be the only official baseball card company. (new contract with MLB)
by Redhawk on Aug 11, 2009 3:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
even I learn something new every day
Thanks Redhawk
"We made too many wrong mistakes." ~Yogi Berra
"The ballplayer who loses his head, who can't keep his cool, is worse than no ballplayer at all." ~Lou Gehrig
JFK
by jrockies on Aug 11, 2009 3:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baseball Cards
are (were actually, as like a lot of collectables, they are fading away here in the states) a big part of the baseball experience, especially as kids and youth. They hold charm for adults, even to the point where some still collect them.
If you’ve not seen baseball cards or held them, I got to say..you need to own a few….just to know. Try this for a start
by Redhawk on Aug 11, 2009 5:58 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great suggestion
I have those cards and they make me happy
"We made too many wrong mistakes." ~Yogi Berra
"The ballplayer who loses his head, who can't keep his cool, is worse than no ballplayer at all." ~Lou Gehrig
JFK
by jrockies on Aug 11, 2009 6:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
#2 dates me
When I was a kid, my big name players were Kirby Puckett, Nolan Ryan and Tony Gwynn. Bonds was still a skinny little stick.
I started collecting cards when I was six, and pretty much spent every penny of my allowance on them. I quit when I was a teenager and started chasing girls instead. I still have my 50,000 plus card collection, and buy the occasional pack or two, much to my wife’s chagrin.
by Prospector on Aug 11, 2009 4:55 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, unwritten rule of card collecting
If you touch a pack in even the slightest degree, you have to buy it. That’s the one with the refractor insert that is worth $20.00.
by Prospector on Aug 11, 2009 4:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can see that
Sometimes it’s hard for me not to touch or even look at the packs.
"We made too many wrong mistakes." ~Yogi Berra
"The ballplayer who loses his head, who can't keep his cool, is worse than no ballplayer at all." ~Lou Gehrig
JFK
by jrockies on Aug 11, 2009 5:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have those players
in a separate elite player binder. Starting in the early 90’s through today I have taken the best of the best and put them in this binder. So to me those are big name players that I have at lest 27 cards (3 pages) of.
"We made too many wrong mistakes." ~Yogi Berra
"The ballplayer who loses his head, who can't keep his cool, is worse than no ballplayer at all." ~Lou Gehrig
JFK
by jrockies on Aug 11, 2009 5:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks...it may limit the quantity or quality (hopefully more of the former if any) of my work here
but I’ll try initially to at least keep up with what I’ve been doing on the road. I should be in Casper in a couple weeks, so hopefully I can catch some of the series against Orem. Maybe I could see sandwich pick Garrett Richards pitch for the Owlz
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 11, 2009 2:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
FYI
Todd is on the Jim Rome Show right now
by alacy9513 on Aug 11, 2009 12:42 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Right now?
The Jim Rome show comes on at 1:30pm though.
by GoRockies!! on Aug 11, 2009 1:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was listening live online
he was on halfway through the third hour for those who hear it tape delayed
by alacy9513 on Aug 11, 2009 2:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tulo is our King (warning: Harry Potter nerd alert!)
Tulo is our King,
Tulo is our King,
He didn’t let the ball fall in
Tulo is our King.
Tulo can save anything,
He never misses a single thing,
That’s why Rockies fans all sing:
Tulo is our King.
"What I speak out of my mouth is the truth. It burns like fire."
by WalkInRight on Aug 11, 2009 1:20 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
GO TULO! How bout that grand slam today!
by prettyinpurple on Aug 11, 2009 4:45 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Man, I hope your predictive powers are strong.
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
by Mondogarage on Aug 11, 2009 5:40 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

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