Pirates' ship decimated by trades
Just who are the Pirates anymore? In barely the last year, they have traded away OFs Jason Bay, Xavier Nady, Nate McLouth, Nyjer Morgan, Eric Hinske, C Ronny Paulino, SS Jack Wilson, 2B Freddy Sanchez, 1B Adam LaRoche, 3B Jose Bautista and Ps Ian Snell, Tom Gorzelanny, Damaso Marte, Sean Burnett and John Grabow.
Wow. It certainly needed to happen, as Pittsburgh continued to parade a team out that would never be good enough to contend in the NL Central in September. It may be good for the future, but it's devastating for the present, fracturing team chemistry and faith. The trade of Nate McLouth angered some players, who actually lit a candle to the former Pirate in his locker after the trade. Said third baseman Andy LaRoche, who saw his brother traded away to Boston earlier this season:
"It's been ... almost like a bad dream. It seemed like every other day, we're trading one of the guys we're close with, one of our team leaders." Rob Biertempfel, Tribune-Review
Pittsburgh won the first two games after the final trade, of Gorzelanny and Grabow, against the Nationals. Since then, however, they have dropped eight straight, being outscored 52-26. In losing 13 of 15, the Pirates have fallen to last in the NL Central, just 5.5 games ahead of the Nationals for the worst record in the league. Curiously though, their run differential is closest to the contending Seattle Mariners than any other team.
Naturally, trading away their core has stripped John Russell of fielding a competitive team. After posting winning months in April and June, Pittsburgh went 8-17 in July, only beaten in futility by their 1-8 August thus far. Adding in that the Pirates have a pitiful 17-39 road record, losing this series would be the greatest embarrassment of the season thus far.
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Pittsburgh Pirates (45-66, L8, 6th, 16.5 GB)
Tuesday-Thursday: 3-game series at Coors Field
The Bats: D
Looking at season stats are obviously useless. Only the third baseman and center-fielder remain as carry-overs in the lineup since the last time we faced the Pirates six weeks ago.
| LINEUP | Avg | HR | RBI | OBP | SLG | wOBA |
| Andrew McCutchen - CF | .292 | 7 |
32 |
.352 | .486 | .366 |
| Lastings Milledge - LF |
.293 | 0 |
5 |
.310 | .341 | .271 |
| Garrett Jones - RF |
.291 | 12 |
19 |
.354 | .662 | .422 |
| Ryan Doumit - C |
.234 | 6 |
32 |
.250 | .446 | .282 |
| Delwyn Young - 2B | .301 | 5 |
30 |
.357 | .411 | .344 |
| Steve Pearce - 1B |
.230 | 2 |
6 |
.338 | .443 | .343 |
| Andy LaRoche - 3B |
.257 | 5 |
41 |
.329 | .376 | .314 |
| Ronny Cedeno - SS | .308 | 2 |
7 |
.325 | .462 | .348 |
Milledge came in the Nyjer Morgan deal, Cedeno came in the Jack Wilson/Ian Snell trade, while Pearce and Jones were internal callups to fill voids left from other trades. Young was promoted to be the everyday 2B when Freddy Sanchez was dealt and projected everyday catcher Ryan Doumit returned from the DL July 10.
You can judge by wOBA if you wish, but there are sample size issues all over the place. Garrett Jones is no Prince Fielder and Ryan Doumit is no Brian Schneider. The lineup is riddled with unpolished talent that could erupt at Coors Field - or completely buckle against good pitching. For more on Jones, who has 12 HR in 39 hits, check out this feature article from Fangraphs. McCutchen, Jones and Doumit are legitimate threats.
Jason Jaramillo (.250, 3, 19) is Doumit's backup backstop, while the reserve infielders are Luis Cruz (3-for-10) and Ramon Vazquez (.254, 1, 13). Brandon Moss (.22, 5, 48) and Jeff Salazar (1-for-24) are John Russell's bench outfielders. Of the five on the bench, only Luis Cruz is a right-handed battter.
Hop after the jump for the scouting report on the arms, the D, the pitching matchups and the hot/cold players.
The Arms: D+
We will see Kevin Hart (obtained from Chicago in the Grabow/Gorzelanny deal), Princeton grad Ross Ohlendorf, and lefty Paul Maholm. All three are serviceable starting pitchers, but none should strike the fear in a lineup that scored 22 runs in the last two days against a team ranked 3rd in ERA in MLB coming in. The staff ERA sits at 4.42, 20th in the league, but that has slowly trended downward as the season has progressed.
Trading away John Grabow robbed John Russell of the only left-hander he has in his bullpen. Closer Matt Capps has a terrible Lidge-like statline.
Joel Hanrahan is another failed closer in the bullpen. The rest of the pen is made up of Jeff Karstens, Chris Bootcheck, Jose Ascanio, Jesse Chavez, and Evan Meek. Karstens, Capps and Bootcheck are rated as below average relievers by Statcorner this year, though the other four have been above average in Pittsburgh.
The D: C
SS Ronny Cedeno and Andrew McCutchen are very good fielders, though the corner outfielders have been liabilities, especially Garrett Jones, who gives Brad Hawpe the rare opportunity to be the right fielder with the greatest range in the series. Delwyn Young is below average defensively at second base, though Steve Pearce and Andy LaRoche are fairly solid fielders. In the last series, I rated this team as having A defense. However, notable downgrades at second, right and left have dropped them significantly.
Probable Pitchers:
Tonight, 7:10 pm MDT
This is the best pitching matchup for the Pirates. Ohlendorf is having his best year, hasn't allowed more than two runs in his last four starts, and has managed a winning record despite being a Pirates pitcher. Hawpe and Tulowitzki beat him up at Coors on June 19. Meanwhile, Chacin will be making his MLB debut, and that 70-75 pitch count could be problematic for a guy who has walked three guys in five innings. Vegas isn't biting though, making the Rockies -190 moneyline favorites. Favors: ROCKIES slightly
Wednesday, August 12, 6:40 pm MDT
Hart came from Chicago in the Gorzelanny/Grabow trade. He's not the Kevin Hart that's wearing green at 3:11 of this clip, so he's not even the most famous guy with his name. He allowed three runs in six innings against Arizona at PNC Park in his lone Pirate start. He has a history of control problems at the major league level, as noted by Marc Hulet, and despite a sparkly ERA, his FIP is quite bad (5.93) as you might expect with that high WHIP and horrid K/BB ratio. The righty throws a fastball around 91 but mixes in an 86mph cutter almost a quarter of the time. He also has a mid-80's change and a high 70's curve. Jimenez is just a stud. He has strung together six straight quality starts, going 3-1 in the process. Favors: ROCKIES very strongly
Thursday, August 13, 1:10 MDT
We miss All-Star Zach Duke again, but this other lefty has talent too. Maholm has a better tRa and stymied the Rockies for seven scoreless innings in May. Of course, we trashed him at Coors in June. His slider is his only above average pitch this season and he's allowed at least four rusn in four straight starts. Marquis' tRA is actually .07 higher than Maholm this season, but we know who has been the better pitcher. The Rockies' winnar had his 6-game quality start streak snapped Saturday in the Rockies only loss of the series, mostly due to atypical walks. He'll try for the fourth time for that elusive 13th win. Favors: ROCKIES moderately
My take
There is no excuse for losing this series. We really ought to sweep, though I'm never confident in projecting a sweep when one good start from an opposing pitcher (which these three are capable) can derail that declaration. The Rockies are a better team overall at every single position except perhaps center field, though the Rockies boast a couple hot and talented "ballcatchers" there as well. Let's not get too down on this team if they drop one game, but this series absolutely must be won, and sweeping it would make whatever result of that Giants/Dodgers series sweet.
It's not Andrew McCutchen's fault Pittsburgh hasn't won in August. He hit 3 HR in their sole August win on th 1st and has 4 dingers this month, including a .364 average and a 1.220 OPS. Ronny Cedeno is hitting .314 with a surprising 2 HR thus far in August as well. Ross Ohlendorf has allowed 2 ER or less in four straight starts, and Joel Hanrahan has a 3.29 ERA with Pittsburgh.
Ryan Doumit has continued his disappointing season wby hitting just .194 with two XBH in August. Brandon Moss is just 3 for his last 19. Garrett Jones is 8 for his last 34, but half of those hists are XBH. Jesse Chavez has been scored upon in 3 of 4 outings and 5 of 8. Jeff Karstens has yielded 10 runs in his last 5 reliefappearances.
Tyler Yates (elbow - 5/16) and Donald Veal (fingers - 8/4) are on the 15-day, while Phil Dumatrait (shoulder - 3/27) and Craig Hansen (trapezius - 4/25) are on the 60-day.
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Please Rockies
do not over look this team…there is some talent in that batting order even though they did trade everybody away they still can be somewhat dangerous….i wouldn’t be mad with 2 of 3 but we would have to win 2 of 3 in Florida then for me to be content because i want 4-2 at worst by sunday night
we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE
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This is going to be a series of offense
Ohlendorf worries me due to his recent hot streak and is a sinkerballer, which the Rockies haven’t been good against, but our offensive hot streak may help us string enough hits to get past him. The Pirates have never seen Chacin before, and have five innings of work to look off of to prepare, which puts a negative light on the Pirates. The Maholm/Marquis game is going to be a parade of runs because Marquis was really off last start, and this Pirates offense has enough firepower to hurt him. However, we know Maholm, and he’s a soft lefty, so we should have a repeat of his last start against us. Jimenez should pitch like a stud, and we should probably hit Hart hard. Overall, two out of three is fine, but really, a sweep should be in order here. The main thing for the Rockies is to hit like they did against the Cubs, and for their pitching to not underestimate a potentially dangerous Pirates lineup.
Looks like we have a Pirates fan who voted
Or someone with a bad sense of humor.
Or someone with a reverse jinx complex.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 11, 2009 2:38 PM MDT reply actions
Andrew McCutchen could be one of the more exciting players to watch going forward
Seth Smith status: Finally Getting Playing time
Mike McCoy status: FREE MIKE MCCOY
by Andrew Martin on Aug 11, 2009 2:47 PM MDT up reply actions
He already has a higher wOBA than McLouth, albeit by one point, iirc
I agree, but here’s to hoping we see his backside as he’s racing back towards the wall frequently in the series
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 11, 2009 3:24 PM MDT up reply actions
Life as a Pirate
Wow, it would suck to be traded to the Pirates unless you want some playing time. This team hasn’t had or doesn’t look to have any team chemistry anytime in the near future. This Pirates have some great history (all before free agency took over baseball), which is too bad for today’s fan.
The only time it would be good to be a Pirate is in their farm system. You know you will probably get a chance in the Show and if you do, you will be traded to a contender at the trading deadline.
The Rox should not overlook these guys, who seem to be trying out for other MLB teams as it seems that the Giants did with the Reds over the weekend. A sweep should be in order.
As for the Pirates' great history...
I wouldn’t go that far. I mean, they’ve had some notable players, and some great players, but it’s not as if it’s free agency that killed the franchise. After all, they didn’t win an NL pennant from 1927 until 1960, and then only won two more in the following 20 years.
I feel bad for the city, but the whole dismantling of the Pirates in the early 90s had less to do with free agency in and of itself, and more to do with the fact that even when the Pirates were winning three straight division titles, they averages 22,000 to 25,000 fans per game.
Not that the Oakland A’s or Florida Marlins wouldn’t kill to average that much, but that’s sucky attendance especially when your team is a perennial winner.
Free agency hasn’t held the Pirates down, poor ownership, poor support, and a terrible front office (at times) have.
Now, it’s not at all odd that the team would draw poorly, when they haven’t even played .500 ball in 17 years.
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
Did they change ownership?
If so was it around 1990?
There must be a significant number of lost jobs in Pittsburgh, to not be able to afford going to a baseball game, plus they have a new stadium. The Steelers seem to draw fans well and know how to run a team. I’m not buying any of that small market crap they always seem to throw out as an excuse.
Baseball used to be better with fewer teams even if it means that I wouldn’t be able to root for the Rockies.
They've changed ownership multiple times in the last 30 years
Here’s a link to their attendance over the years: http://www.baseball-almanac.com/teams/pitatte.shtml
As you’ll see, it’s actually sorta relatively stable over the last 20 years, and was horrendous during stretches in the mid 80s.
I agree with your economic analysis of Pittsburgh, but that city has actually seen a lot of changes and a move towards a medica/technical based economy on some levels. And the Steelers always draw. I don’t see Pittsburgh being hurt by the city’s basic economic situation any more than, say, Cleveland, Detroit, Milwaukee, Cincinnati, and the like.
Yeah, it’s a weak excuse. The team has just been poorly run on so many levels.
No, they wouldn’t start drawing 40k when they’re winning, but they seem to have a baseline of around 20k or so.
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
C'mon
DROWN THE RATS!
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I'm going to the game tonight!
Can’t wait to see Chacin . . . he was filthy on Saturday night (with the exception of one fastball left right down the middle). He’s clearly young and still learning how to pitch, but yet another quality arm from the farm system.
I think if they can pull out the game tonight, they will sweep. Here’s hoping.
The offence HAS to fire
Chacin could easily have a bad inning or two – so could Fogg – and we’ll need runs to deal with that. Come on Rockies and, once again, boo to mountain time and the seven hours ahead which means I can’t watch the game.
I'm relieved to be back on this side of the pond
I miss Oxford like hell, of course, but on the bright side, no more staying up until 3AM to see the first pitch on Gameday.
I love Greg Reynolds. Deal with it, suckers.
I miss Denver, even now
Especially the snow, and the Xtian coffee shop on Broadway. I think if I lived there I’d just pig out on Rox games every day, so it’s probably a good thing I don’t!
I’m glad you miss Oxford. It would have been crappy if you hadn’t had much fun over here. I used to go there quite often as 2 of my best mates went – I failed the entrance interview myself, thank god – I couldn’t have dealt with the workload. It’s a fab place.
Best year of my life
Once I work out some money, I’ll figure out how to go back. Still a lot of places I didn’t get to see.
I love Greg Reynolds. Deal with it, suckers.
You got the Pirates record backwards, PF
I’m pretty sure the Pirates aren’t 57-49.
Also, I’m a little worried about this series, just because the easiest-looking series tend to turn into traps for us. Hopefully the guys keep the adrenaline going after squashing the FailBears, and do the same to the Buccos.
I love Greg Reynolds. Deal with it, suckers.
Not to worry. We're on a roll. NL West here we come.
"I've had pretty good success with Stan Musial by throwing him my best pitch and backing up third." - Carl Erskine
thanks for that
I double check for these things but must have assumed I got the big things right
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 11, 2009 5:33 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
thanks for that
I double check for these things but must have assumed I got the big things right
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 11, 2009 5:33 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
im not as worried
We have actually taken care of business very well against poor teams in recent weeks. Sweeps against the reds on the road and pirates and nationals at home. Best the dbacks and padres in home series. There was that one series we lost vs Arizona, but given that haren was in that series, that wasn’t such a bad loss. There is no way we don’t take at least two
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 11, 2009 5:37 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
But hey, congrats on the new job!!!
Hope it’s your best yet. We all just wanted to tell you, we’re all counting on you. ;-)
Or something like that.
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
thanks
I have a feeling it will be, as it wil be my first since getting a degree
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