Friday Rockpile: It feels good to be on top (of the Wildcard standings, anyway), doesn't it?
by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 14, 2009 8:15 AM MDT
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PrintIn what has been a feel good season (since the beginning of June, anyway), it seems as if there is a constant influx of positive Rockies-related stories. Today is no different.
Cook’s pen goes well, will make Saturday start : All Things Rockies Colorado
Some very good news out of the training room for the Rockies. Also, the article mentions the possibility of Alan Embree returning to pitch in September, and rules out a return for Jeff Francis - at least in the regular season.
Marquis steady as Rocks hit the road - The Denver Post
Patrick Saunders checks in with a piece detailing the importance of Colorado's rock-solid starting rotation as they hit the road for a big series at Florida.
Kiszla: Diamonds at your feet - The Denver Post
Mark Kiszla discusses the fact that even though the Rockies are a championship-caliber baseball team, they still play second fiddle to the Denver Broncos of the NFL. I don't live in Denver, and even I know that the Rox will probably never overtake the Broncos in the hearts of the majority of Colorado sports fans.
Barmes-tulo tandem best in his eyes - The Denver Post
Jim Tracy compares the middle infield combination of Troy Tulowitzki and Clint Barmes to the Phillies' double play tandem, in terms of power and defense.
Inside the Colorado Rockies " Time to Talk Contract? | Major League Baseball in Denver
Tracy Ringolsby wants people's opinions on whether or not the Rockies should extend Dan O'Dowd's contract, and when they should do so.
Top NL Rookie Hitters | FanGraphs Baseball
Dexter Fowler is one of five NL ROY candidates (among hitters), according to Marc Hulet of FanGraphs.
Street takes it easy as Rox swing away | ColoradoRockies.com: News
Save opportunities have been few and far between as of late for Huston Street. Getting him work for the sake of getting him work, though, may be a good idea, despite his performance against the Cubs on Monday. However, Jim Tracy feels differently - he thinks that street will be rested and ready to go for when the Rockies really need him.
On a side note, I think Jim Tracy should stop comparing his Rockies players to former Dodgers - like he did in the previous article (Eric Gagne) and in this one (Robin Ventura) - for no other reason than the fact that I despise that team. That's all.
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mistakes that are huge
Why would the rockies even consider putting Francis on the playoff roster. He wouldn’t be an effective reliever and there’s no reason to suspect he pilf be a better starter than what we have ever, let alone right out of the chute. Also, the monforts biggest mistake would be letting O’Dowd walk. Even typically ignorant talk radio calls are lauding his performance
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 14, 2009 8:30 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
Agreed on both counts.
Embree could help, but there’s no reason to not have Francis just sit out the rest of the season. He needs continue to sit out the season get himself on the road to a TRUE full recovery (fixing his mechanics, rediscovering his release point, gaining confidence in his delivery, and also letting the injury heal).
O’Dowd has certainly proven this year, if he hadn’t already, that he’s a keeper. They better pony up the dollars (and years) and make absolutely sure that they keep this guy around.
Just an average guy with exceptional hair. Nothing more, nothing less.
by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 14, 2009 8:44 AM MDT up reply actions
Tracy has a history of comparing players on his team to former Dodgers
he did it a lot with the Pirates, and has a history of screwing up players by pushing them to try to be like some of the toolsy guys he has managed.
If I see him trying to turn Fowler or Gonzalez into a “Pound the ball into the ground and outrun the 3B just like Dave Roberts” I will kill him personally.
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This line from Kiszla's article bothers me
“As good as the Rockies look at 64-51, nobody ever dares ask how much more intimidating this team might appear as a World Series contender had ownership not dumped the salary of Matt Holliday and also spent money to retain closer Brian Fuentes. "
He just doesn’t get it.
Mark Kiszla is a garbage writer though
At least Paige covers the Broncos really well, Kiszla is just the Denver Posts’ hatchet man. When the teams are crashing, he’s there to talk about the incompetency of the managers, the players, the leaders, the coaches, the role players, and how Denver Sports are just terrible in general.
When things are sunny, he’s mostly under a rock, and occasionally pokes his head out to try and rile people up by bringing up Jay Cutler or Matt Holliday or whoever.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 14, 2009 8:56 AM MDT up reply actions
indeed, it's a standard hack and slash article by Kiszla
designed to raise the hackles of local fans per usual. The article is so devoid of actual content, baseball knowledge/logic or proof of so-called lack of devotion to the Rockies it really should just be ignored.
"What I speak out of my mouth is the truth. It burns like fire."
YEAH THERES NO WAY WE MAKE THE PLAOFFS WITHOUT HALLIDAY
WE’RE WHAT 4TH IN THE DIVISION WE NEED TO TRADE FOR A PROVEN ACE
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 14, 2009 9:40 AM MDT up reply actions
after I posted that
I realized it was gonna look more like a Halladay reference and not what I intended, more “OMG WHERE IS MATT HOLIDAY”
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 14, 2009 9:45 AM MDT up reply actions
20 wins AND 20 homers
Now that is a 20/20 guy.
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yea seriously that is stupid to say
especially the Fuentes thing…Street has been better than him…Fuentes has blown 4 saves and has been erratic at times as always…he is much older and wanted too much money…why would we have wanted/needed him.
we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE
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by TuLoRocks2008 on Aug 14, 2009 8:57 AM MDT up reply actions
If Street ever gets to pitch again!
Street is awesome. I was at the game yesterday afternoon hoping to see him pitch and it appeared that he was going to get to pitch the 9th with a 3 run lead until the Rox went crazy and scored 6 runs in the next 2 innings!
Fuentes robbed the Angles with his contract.
Why do real fans even read the Denver Post. I don’t!
Street is the 3rd best RP in baseball, by tRA*
tRA has him at 10th, but Matt Daley at 2nd. pRAA is a little different in its formulation (it’s a counting stat, so workload has more to do with it), but that has Daley at 6th, and Street at 11th.
The regressed, adjusted, mixed, lathered, rinsed, repeated version of tRA is tRA*, as mentioned in the comment title, and it ranks as such:
1. Michael Weurtz, OAK, 2.53
2. Joe Nathan, MIN, 2.59
3. Huston Street, COL, 2.90
4. Jonathan Broxton, LAD, 2.94
…
19. Matt Daley, COL, 3.44
…
61. Brian Fuentes, LAA, 4.11
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 14, 2009 9:11 AM MDT up reply actions
He doesn't
read and learn?
"If we never try, we shall never succeed." - Abraham Lincoln
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by Russ Oates on Aug 14, 2009 9:06 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
That statement
Is one of the most ignorant things I"ve ever read
"Good teams win games, horse**** teams have meetings." - Ozzie Guillen
Well, retaining Holliday would've helped things
But Street >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fuentes, and while Holliday >>>> Gonzalez, there are more “>’s” in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> than in >>>>
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 14, 2009 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions
Also, I think if we'd kept those two, we wouldn't have picked up Marquis
And Marquis >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Whoever else we would’ve run out there every 5th day
"Good teams win games, horse**** teams have meetings." - Ozzie Guillen
As a fan of Colorado Sports
Count me among those who are saying “Broncos, who?” right about now. After the fiasco that was their off-season, I’ll be paying the Donkos minimal attention.
Fortunately, I’ve got the Rockies to watch and follow, or else I’d probably drive myself crazy watching old episodes of MacGyver or something instead.
I'm seriously on the verge of turning in my Broncos card
in exchange for a Cardinals card.
But when the Broncos start the season out 2-5 then everyone will come crawling back to Coors and ruin our good time by asking questions along the lines of “WHO IS BEATCOURT? IS HE A ROOKIE?”
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 14, 2009 9:31 AM MDT up reply actions
nah
I would still go watch them as a casual, non-committed fan, but I don’t have any season tickets or anything, sorry.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 14, 2009 9:38 AM MDT up reply actions
If I never go to a Broncos game
I will have attended one too many.
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I've been to one Broncos game in my life
And I wasn’t cheering for the Broncos
"Good teams win games, horse**** teams have meetings." - Ozzie Guillen
Nah I'll still root for the Broncos
just like I still watched almost every rockies game last season, gotta stay true to your teams while they’re down. A lot of colorado fans get accused of being bandwagoners…because, well, they are.
I've never really been that into the Broncos
I root for them because I live in Denver and my parents have my entire life.
I don’t have any reason to want to connect to the Broncos anymore, I don’t like the players, the coach, the organization as a whole, and I’m just a huge admirer of Kurt Warner.
I picked up baseball when the Rockies were just about at their lowest (ROYCE CLAYTON BABY) and never looked back.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 14, 2009 9:47 AM MDT up reply actions
Hahahahah
I have that jersey. Seriously. That actual jersey. When I wear it to Coors now, we often win.
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wait is he striking out?
I didn’t think he swung at 3rd strikes, just watched them go by.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 14, 2009 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions
my cousin went to same high school and college as Warner
My family has always been rooting for he and Zach Johnson – ashton kutcher, not as much
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 14, 2009 12:35 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I, too will root for the Broncos
I’m just not all that fired up for football season to start. One thing at a time, I suppose.
They’re still my Donkos, and I’ll still watch what games I can and catch the rest on the radio, but it’s more of an afterthought right now. It’s still baseball season.
Outside of Los Angeles
the entire MLB playes second fiddle to the NFL. Baseball may be America’s past time, but football is it’s obsession.
also new yahhhhhhk
and I’d argue Chicago.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 14, 2009 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions
Well, that's because
The Rams have been TERRIBLE (except for those couple years with Warner)
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by ShadowPenguin on Aug 14, 2009 10:03 AM MDT up reply actions
GREATEST SHOW ON TURF
Kurt Warner 4evr <3
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 14, 2009 10:03 AM MDT up reply actions
it's always been that way
even when St. Louis that the Football Cardinals. In fact, I’d say St. Louis has more connection to the Blues NHL team then they do to the Rams.
Well, and because the Rams were interlopers to begin with
And the other Cardinals bailed. And were as bad in St. Louis as they have been in Phoenix (last year notwithstanding).
St. Louis has really always been a baseball town.
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by Mondogarage on Aug 14, 2009 10:04 AM MDT up reply actions
StL is a good call
I still argue for NYC, just because of it’s absurd amount of baseball history (see: Willie, Mickey and the Duke)
(Also I should’ve spelled it “New Yoke” not “New Yahhhhhhk” – mixed up my accents)
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 14, 2009 10:03 AM MDT up reply actions
New England, definitely, even with the rise of the Patriots
The Patriots were deep into their 17-game regular season win streak in 2003 yet the above-the-fold stories on the sports page were about the Red Sox off-season moves. Granted, that was when they were pursuing A-Rod, but that was quite a good football team they were upstaging.
I’m amazed at how how baseball is a daily part of life for so many people out there.
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I don't know why I hesitated on mentioning BAHHHHSTAHHHN
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 14, 2009 10:19 AM MDT up reply actions
Not just Boston--pretty much New England
Though I can’t speak for each and every part, since there are some pretty remote areas.
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Interesting
Did not know that.
Still hate all Patriots/Red Sox fans equally though
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by ShadowPenguin on Aug 14, 2009 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions
I know this stuff is irrational, but one shouldn't
There’s a lot of rude types and bandwagon types, but there’s a strong base of people there who love baseball. If you love baseball and maintain the high standards of not dumping beer on players or cursing in front of children, you’re a friend of mine.
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Sorry, should have clarified
I hate the BANDWAGON nationwide Patriots/Red Sox fans. The ones who have never lived anywhere in the New England area, but claim to be fans, when they’re really just picking the best team at the time and following them.
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by ShadowPenguin on Aug 14, 2009 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions
PROUD SAHHHHX FAN SINCE 2004
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 14, 2009 10:29 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm sure it affects people who lived in the area, too
People who lived there for college, etc.
I don’t mind a bandwagon fan per se…it’s the ones that jump on and act obnoxiously as if they’re back in high school or the freshmen dorm that kill me.
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While Kizla is an idiot
there is the fact that the greater Denver sports fans, are just now, paying attention to the Rockies. But they are coming around. I’m seeing more Rockies hats, more people watching the game/glancing at the TV’s when I’m out. Attendance was good at Coors for this home stand (Cubs great, Pirates ok for the Pirates during the week)
When I moved to Denver, I would be asked, what where the big sports interests, (coming from Okla, really the question was about college sports). I would say the top 5 sports teams in Denver in order are: 1 Broncos 2 Broncos 3 Broncos 4 Broncos and 5 the Avalanche
At least now, I think I see interest in the Nuggets and the Rockies and if I had to make that list now, it would be 1 Broncos 2 Broncos 3 Broncos 4 Rockies 5 Nuggets. Which is an improvement, unless you’re a big Hockey fan.
I'd put Nuggets 4 Rockies 5
Simply because the Nuggets are better, Rockies are better, and the Avs are rebuilding. Were both teams at an even place, Avalanche would take the 5 because of the 2 stanley cups.
A lot has to do with the relative youth of the Rockies franchise, and how they established a nice track record of Suck during the late-90s-early-2000s.
If the Rockies can find that solid revolving door of competing for 3 out of 4/5 years, and then cycle out talent and fill holes, they could be the #3.75 franchise in Denver, behind 1. Broncos 2. Broncos 3. Broncos 4. Bronckies 5. Nuggets/Avalanche (take your pick, whoever’s hotter)
Denver loves Baseball, it’s a fact, but they love winning teams even more. And the Broncos even more than that.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 14, 2009 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions
Maybe that should be
1. Broncos 2. Broncos 3. Bronckies 4. Nuggets 5. Avalanche
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 14, 2009 9:53 AM MDT up reply actions
batting 4th
Left Tackle, ….
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 14, 2009 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions
I totall disagree with your pick of #3 Buffs
The coverage of college football here in Denver, barely acknowledges the sport exists when compared to other parts of the country.
precisely, and I 100% agree with this
Denver has enough professional sports that we have basically no room to cover college sports. Sure, the early 90s buffalos were big news regularly, but they don’t hold a candle to Oklahoma, Texas, Alabama, etc etc etc in terms of FRONT PAGE COVERAGE
I mean, we acknowledge them and enjoy them, but Pro sports are the king around Denver.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 14, 2009 11:02 AM MDT up reply actions
Denver loves Baseball, it’s a fact,
I dunno if they do. I know they love wonderful nights out at Coors Field in the summer, but I’m not sure that’s the same. Cities like Chicago, Cincinnati, St. Louis, and even Minneapolis, there seems to be more of a baseball obsession. More of a tie to their teams, and to the nuances of the game.
BUT…those cities have had big league baseball for a really long time
Denver loved the Bears IIRC
and I was too little to really remember the crowds at Zephyrs games, but remember how sold out Rockies games were? I know, “wheee new thing wheee” but the crowds stayed for a long time
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 14, 2009 10:02 AM MDT up reply actions
I would say that Denver is a great baseball town
then any of expansion teams, and greater then many cities that have had teams for years and years.
I guess I look at a “baseball town” Is one where the fans talk baseball, know baseball, and respect good play from other teams, not just there own. Say, If the Korean WBC team played an exhibition game…would fans show up and buy tickets. Would the local fans be interested. And based on that, I think Denver would represent well. Just not after The Broncos season starts.
well there's kind of the difference
what are we calling a baseball town? A team that is ravenously passionate about their baseball team, or a town that just wants baseball more than anything?
If it’s the former, I’d say we’re a baseball town, and we’ll become more of one as the years go by. If it’s the latter, hell no, we’re a football town.
Denver is a great sports town, that’s a fact, because we’ll support all of our teams to some good extent, which is even more impressive given the number of 2nd tier sports we have (NLL Lacrosse, college sports, etc).
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 14, 2009 10:18 AM MDT up reply actions
I'd say the latter is what one usu. means by "baseball town"
Who tends to capture the primary imagination and passion of the populace. Though for Rockies marketing purposes, the former is just fine. I agree, based on how people responded when the team started, and how they respond when the team is winning, this place could come around and really support the team.
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I don't think ANY city really stands up to the 2nd one
like said above, there are only a couple of cities that fit that category.
I’d say “ravenously passionate about their baseball team” is a closer definition that I have in my mind, but I would “their team”. You don’t hear fans calling up and talking baseball on the talk shows. You don’t read much media writing or talking intelligently on baseball in Denver. (which to me is reprsentative of their target audience understanding of the game)
Denver is a great sports town…in fact I’d put it up against any city on that. So many Denver-rites buy tickets, and pay attention to sports here, unlike any I’ve seen. They play all kinds of sports, support all kinds of teams. I think the Rockies support is mostly from “Denver is a great sports town” More then “Denver is a great baseball town”
yeah i can agree with that
I just have this vibe that if the Rockies had a better revenue stream (ie, be able to spend more), a better TV deal, etc, that Denver would love them more and more and more.
Like a goldfish that will grow until it is the “right” size based on its environment. If the Rockies were a bigger and older franchise, the Denver sports fans would love the Rockies more and more until they’re like a solid 2.5-3.0 on that list of top 5.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 14, 2009 10:29 AM MDT up reply actions
ok...here's a question
I think Denver is a great sports town, and thus a very good baseball town. But could it be a GREAT baseball town? And what would it take?
Just more years?
A few playoff contention years, playing meaningful games in August and September (even if they fall short)?
Multiple playoff appearances?
A World Series win?
A couple of world Series wins?
Or would that all just be a mirage, of bandwagon fans on the winning streak like the Avalanche turned out to be.
it'd take 30 years
when people talk about the glory of RockTober.
I don’t think it’ll ever be a baseball town as we’ve described it though.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 14, 2009 10:37 AM MDT up reply actions
2-3 generations
The first to grow up with the team and develop local pride (I think this is the stage we’re in now)
The second for those values to be passed to their children (this is close, in the next 5 years I think)
The third for the family tradition of rooting for the team to be ingrained and part of who they are (15-30 years out from now)
Once you have family tradition and history, that’s when a “rabid fanbase” can develop. Rox and Avs haven’t been around long enough, while the Broncos have, and it shows.
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by ShadowPenguin on Aug 14, 2009 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions
I'll add one more category
that I mentioned in a post below.
Transplants that have not yet transferred their allegiance to the local club finally do so and pass it on to their children/family.
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by WalkInRight on Aug 14, 2009 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions
I think this is just 2nd generation
like immigrants to America, it’s the 2nd generation that loses it’s connection to old country.
sure
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by WalkInRight on Aug 14, 2009 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions
The KC Royals
are passing their 30 year point from their glory days. And as bad of an organization as it’s been lately, I do see a civic/community connection to the Royals there in KC.
They are still a mad football town though.
mad football town
rather than football mad town. Appropriate. :)
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by WalkInRight on Aug 14, 2009 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions
You don’t read much media writing or talking intelligently on baseball in Denver. (which to me is reprsentative of their target audience understanding of the game)
You make a good point here. The local media has been pretty bad covering the Rockies (which I think has also been hurt farther by the Rocky Mtn News shutting down. Seemed like the News had better Rockies coverage than the terrible Post).
But then again, that could simply be because of the Rox relatively short history.
RMN is right that “If the Rockies were a bigger and older franchise, the Denver sports fans would love the Rockies more and more”.
Just gotta give them time, let the kids who grew up watching the Rox start passing the tradition to their kids, and we’ll have a much better fanbase.
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by ShadowPenguin on Aug 14, 2009 10:33 AM MDT up reply actions
Tracy Ringolsby covers them quite well
but Renck and Saunders do their work well.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 14, 2009 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions
Didn't Ringolsby and Saunders
Move over to the Post after the News shut down? Kinda fuzzy in my memory :-/
But yeah, Renck has been good, I agree there.
I guess it’s just Kizla and Paige spouting off meaningless articles that has watered it down.
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by ShadowPenguin on Aug 14, 2009 10:37 AM MDT up reply actions
Ringolsby to Inside the Rockies and FSNRM
Saunders to the News (if he wasn’t already there)
Krieger to the News
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 14, 2009 10:38 AM MDT up reply actions
now, now
Don’t fall into the national sports news claptrap. :) I won’t quibble about baseball history in Denver (as it’s been discussed here before) but there’s been strong support for professional baseball in the area for some time.
I would argue there are many casual baseball fans across the nation (including the cities you mention) that are at the game for drinking and well, drinking (see Cubs, Chicago) or to enjoy a sunny afternoon. Perhaps Denver suffers from a large number of transplants that have not yet transferred their allegiance to the local club which makes them less likely to go to Rockies games on a whim. And I wouldn’t necessarily tie in attendance with number of die-hard fans; how many of us can afford to go to every game?
It’s way easier for the Broncos to sell out their games- they only have 8 regular season games (plus potential playoffs) to fill the seats.
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by WalkInRight on Aug 14, 2009 10:15 AM MDT up reply actions
but they love winning teams even more.
This, so much.
Which adds to the whole bandwagon fan status, but at least they’re willing to get involved when a team is winning.
I seem to recall the Dbacks having trouble selling out their playoff series vs. the Rox, and I think the Cardinals even had trouble selling tickets on their run to the Super Bowl.
Bandwagon fans > Apathetic fans
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by ShadowPenguin on Aug 14, 2009 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions
true
but bandwagon fans frustrate the diehards because we’ve been watching since [player] was starting in [minor league level] and was [adjective]
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 14, 2009 10:07 AM MDT up reply actions
Hahaha yeah
But at least they’re helping by buying all new merchandise and tickets!
I remember during Rocktober, so many people around campus had brand new hats and jerseys, even though they had no clue who Tulo was.
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by ShadowPenguin on Aug 14, 2009 10:12 AM MDT up reply actions
"a nice track record of Suck"
that sums it up nicely, LOL. I took a large group of people from work (all casual baseball fans) during the lost Leyland year to a day game where the Rox looked like utter sh**e and lost something like 15-1 with 3 or 4 errors. I’m guessing most of them did not head back to the park for awhile.
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by WalkInRight on Aug 14, 2009 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions
Coors Field kept me enjoying Rockies games. It's really a great park.
I remember the joke used to be “Aside from being Denver Sports teams, what do the Broncos, Avalanche, Nuggets, and Rockies all have in common?”
“None of them can play baseball”
and oh man it was hi-larious
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 14, 2009 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't know
I don’t know too many Americans that actually enjoy hockey. Sure the Avs sold out when they were winners, but from what I understand, Pepsi was only half full when the ice was exposed last year, and I imagine a lot of the rear ends in the seats were there courtesy of corporate seats… My guess is the execs at those corporations are either Canadian or European
by Rox R Champs on Aug 14, 2009 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions
I blame hockey fans for hockey not being bigger
You’re an Avalanche fan? They’re clearly not an original 6 team, your franchise is thereby a joke, has no history, no relevance, and your fandom is not appreciated. Go watch another sport, there’s no room for you.
You can substitute “Canadian” for “Original 6”
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 14, 2009 10:25 AM MDT up reply actions
I think Denver is an above average baseball town
and attendance in the 90s, rocktober, and the begining of 08 proved that.
i have no problem with these “bandwagoners” not coming to when the team is losing. why should they spend their money on an inferior product especially when it was bad for so long. the rockies want better attendance? put a better product on the field. i think they established that foundation for success and we will see far more fan support.
however i think one of the biggest obsticles toward building fan support is their current TV deal. there are ZERO games that are not on cable this year. at least last year there was one a week but still, in 1993 every single road game was broadcast on channel 2. this allowed fans to follow the club far easier than now. one of the biggest reasons the cubs have such a national following is their tv exposure on WGN.
now how do the rockies get more nationally televised games? you do that by winning baseball. so if the foundation that the rockies have put in place lives up to its potential and continues to produce winning seasons it will go a long way towards building fan loyalty
by purplesocks on Aug 14, 2009 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions
So, hey, um, about baseball....
Football hasn’t even started and it’s dominating the thread today :(
no it isn't...?
We’re talking about the Denver Sports climate, and how the Rockies are slowly climbing the ranks of interest, and whether we’re a baseball town or not, and then also fairweather fans.
What do YOOOOU want to talk about? Start a topic and we’ll see how it flies!!
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 14, 2009 10:21 AM MDT up reply actions
It actually is an island
Despite the name, most of Rhode Island is in fact on the mainland. The name Rhode Island and Providence Plantations derives from the merging of two colonies, Providence Plantations and Rhode Island. Providence Plantations was the name of the colony founded by Roger Williams in the area now known as the City of Providence. Rhode Island was the area now known as Aquidneck Island, which now comprises the city of Newport and the towns of Middletown and Portsmouth, the largest of several islands in Narragansett Bay.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 14, 2009 10:33 AM MDT up reply actions
But it may or may not be...
a rhode, depending on what a rhode is. Given what I know of Rhode Island, I’d guess it’s something that’s a little envious and inferior in every way to New York and Boston.
PRESEASON HAS STARTED!!!
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
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by ShadowPenguin on Aug 14, 2009 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions
i will so ban you
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 14, 2009 10:27 AM MDT up reply actions
Kiszla and his ilk
should look in the mirror if they seriously wonder why Bronco training camp is played above ACTUAL games, PLAYOFF-SIGNIFICANT Rockies’ games in print and electronic outlets.. Sure, he’s a hack; sure, he writes only to get a reaction from readers…but did it really take him 17 years to figure this out?
Kiszla
…but did it really take him 17 years to figure this out?
No, it didn’t.
He still haven’t figured it out. It may take 20.
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
by Mondogarage on Aug 14, 2009 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions
Isn't American football a short-season circus played by deeply unpleasant men
And supported by brainless buffoons? With little artistry, no fluidity and an arrogance bordering on the illegal?
Or am I getting things mixed up?
(I could say many of the same things about football football, which I do follow, but hey)
LOL!
I was just thinking about that when I read his post. Well done sir :-)
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by ShadowPenguin on Aug 14, 2009 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions
That's such a classic routine
and one of Carlin’s best.
Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!
Denver's still a Broncos' town
but the Broncos don’t have the same hold on the public imagination as they used to. Growing up back in the ‘80s, I remember “Broncomania” was a real pheomenon. (The newspapers did hard-hitting investigations into what kind of candy Elway distributed on Halloween.) Denver has become a bigger, more cosmopolitan place (with 2 more major league franchises), and, combined with the Broncos’ mediocrity the last decade, the town doesn’t bleed orange as easily as it once did. (The consecutive “sell-out” streak is a joke. Some games at Invesco see entirely emtpy sections with thousands of empty seats. Those aren’t no-shows.)
Anyone who would rather watch “preseason” football instead of a team in a pennant race should have his TV confiscated.
by J. Henry Waugh on Aug 14, 2009 10:52 AM MDT reply actions
or at some games you see
whole sections of fans for the other team which you used to NEVER see…
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by WalkInRight on Aug 14, 2009 11:02 AM MDT up reply actions
I'd rather watch spring training baseball
than late season NBA. May I keep mine?
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 14, 2009 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions
+1000
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by ShadowPenguin on Aug 14, 2009 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions
fixed
I’d rather watch spring training baseball than late season any NBA.
"What I speak out of my mouth is the truth. It burns like fire."
by WalkInRight on Aug 14, 2009 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions
im not going to lie
my evening plan will be watchign the broncos game while flipping over to the rockies on commercial breaks
by purplesocks on Aug 14, 2009 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions
oops hit enter too early
the broncos have had such roster turnover that i am excited to see all the new faces
by purplesocks on Aug 14, 2009 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions
You're excited?
I’m scared :-(
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by ShadowPenguin on Aug 14, 2009 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions
yeah im excited
my expectations are rather low for this season but i like the change in defensive philosophy and i dont think our offense should lose too much of a step.
it might be a rough transition year but we’re moving in a much better direction than we were the past couple of years
by purplesocks on Aug 14, 2009 11:29 AM MDT up reply actions
4 win team
Let’s go ahead and celebrate the good season the Rockies are having!
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 14, 2009 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions
they'll win more than 4 games
i dont mean to turn this into a bronco thread but the broncos are still better than that. that is the mike klis and sandy clough’s of the world predictions. as you know from their rockies coverage that these guys dont know ****
now to return this thread back to its proper topic: GO ROCKIES!!!
by purplesocks on Aug 14, 2009 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions
I'll gladly take Rocktober,
which then leads to Broncuary? Nah, doubtful :-/
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by ShadowPenguin on Aug 14, 2009 1:09 PM MDT up reply actions
guarantee broncos TV ratings beat rockies ratings today
"If you're going to be stupid, you'd better be tough."
Is Beckham the guy in some movie?
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by ShadowPenguin on Aug 14, 2009 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions
no he's a SS prospect for the white sox
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 14, 2009 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions
Or D'Rays.
"If we never try, we shall never succeed." - Abraham Lincoln
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by Russ Oates on Aug 14, 2009 11:26 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
tim for the rays
gordon for the chisox, correct?
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 14, 2009 11:28 AM MDT up reply actions
yep
But isn’t Gordon their every day 3B right now?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 14, 2009 12:46 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
But he used to be a footballer, I know that much
And that’s all I know. Was John Madden a footballer or was he hockey or something? That’s Wayne Gretsky, right? I know several basketball players, though.
Yes, he played football (we don't generally use the term "footballer").
He was one of the top 5-10 quarterbacks in history, maybe #1 depending on who you ask. He was basically the king in Denver for years.
And yep, Madden is football, Gretzky hockey.
John Madden
was a football coach and a broadcaster.
Gretzky was hockey, yup.
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by ShadowPenguin on Aug 14, 2009 4:14 PM MDT up reply actions
Not anymore
He got bought out/sold his share, or something. Don’t quite recall exactly, but his name isn’t on the dealerships anymore.
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by ShadowPenguin on Aug 14, 2009 4:14 PM MDT up reply actions
Haven't seen any
I think he’s completely out of the car business at this point
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by ShadowPenguin on Aug 14, 2009 4:29 PM MDT up reply actions
I agree with Kizla's point
..that there are many more Denver fans who know the backup nose tackle than know the backup second baseman. It’s a Broncos town, but my allegiance has switched from Broncos to Rockies. As an example, I would never spend time at a Broncos blog…
"If you're going to be stupid, you'd better be tough."
But why does it have to be either/or?
Not aiming this at you, really, but it seemed the best place. I know some people just happen to like one sport more than another, so that’s totally cool. But for me, personally, I would say I love all my teams the same, and never would I stop being a fan of any of them. Sure, my main focus may shift around depending on the time of year, how the teams are doing, etc., and I may enjoy spending time discussing/reading about some sports more than another (mainly because of what I understand—I have no interest in discussing NFL defensive schemes, for example). But I consider myself a die-hard fan of each of my teams (includes the four professional Denver teams, plus two college teams), no matter what, and the amount I root for any of them in games, particularly big games, is probably about equal.
Eh, I think it's a side effect
of what we’ve seen with all the ESPN/BBTN hate for their lack of coverage of the Rox. We can’t get recognition nationwide, so hey, at least we’ll get good local coverage….nope. Therefore they lash out at the offending teams.
However, I am a huge fan of the Broncos, although all the incessant Cutler/Marshall/McD coverage has worn thin, and made me weary of the MSM. I’ll watch them for sure, but I can’t say I have the same passion as I have for the Rox. Also, as judgmental as this might sound, I find baseball fans to be more intelligent and good for discussion, than football fans.
Eh, guess we all try and pick a passion to follow and get involved in, and there are some who can juggle multiple teams.
Anyway, there is local pride, I actually watched a Nuggets game or two (in the playoffs), but I wouldn’t normally ;-)
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by ShadowPenguin on Aug 14, 2009 2:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Too right
This is by a million miles the most intelligent sports blog I’ve ever visited, and I love you all for that.
And, I should add, when I’ve had reason to visit other MLB/SN blogs, they’ve all been really clever too.
I guess baseball attracts that kind of fan.
I guess baseball attracts that kind of fan.
Baseball is the thinking man’s game!
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by ShadowPenguin on Aug 14, 2009 4:15 PM MDT up reply actions
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