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Statistical Metrics and what we do with them

Over the past several months, Counting Rocks has introduced numerous new tools to put into our statistical toolbox to attempt to quantify the performances of the players on the field.

A lot of questions have begun popping up recently about how to properly use these metrics, what they mean, and what performances mean what.

Well as we barrel down the stretch, we'll probably have a good number of visitors and new users who will have varying levels of understanding in terms of the more advanced metrics fit in to our analyses, and we want to see to it that we're all up to speed on at least a basic level, and for those new who aren't familiar with them, so that they can have a primer as well.

So let's begin with batting metrics.

For starters, we'll look at the absolute basic metric, a rate stat called Batting Average.

Batting Average is calculated by Hits/At Bats, obviously. It's difficult anymore to try and establish what the levels of "good" and "bad" are, but you know it when you see them. Looking at Batting Average in a vacuum, however, puts the MLB average batting average as .262. Typically, a .300 hitter is considered to be a very good hitter, and below that league average mark is considered to be bad to very bad.

Batting Average can be looked at as a sort of skill stat, as the rest of the traditional batting line is entirely fueled by AVG. Some guys are high average hitters, some are low average hitters, but AVG can be inflated by guys who walk a lot and deflated by guys who don't. It clearly doesn't paint the complete picture, and can be very affected by luck and slumps and normal statistical variance and birds and the sun and karma and what the batter ate for lunch.

But obviously, batting average isn't the end-all statistical metric, as it doesn't account for walks or how far the ball was hit, so we introduced some new ones to further illustrate a batter's performance, ability, and general contributions to his team's run-scoring ventures.

 

Join after the jump, where we'll talk about OBP, OPS, and beyond!

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OBP is the logical follow-up to batting average. It's calculated by Hits+Walks+HBP divided by Plate Appearances.

Reviled by traditionalists as being a direct replacement for batting average by way of equating a walk with a hit, On-Base Percentage is considered to be a way of seeing how efficient a batter is with the outs he is allotted over the course of a season. OBP should be viewed as the percentage of times the batter comes to the plate and does anything that isn't an out - thereby creating a baserunner.

League Average OBP is at .333. An OBP around there will keep you in a lineup, and an OBP of .360+ puts you in the "good player" category, and .400+ puts you in elite company. Once a batter has an OBP below that average mark, there had better be an elite glove or some serious power to go with it.

High OBP is typically accompanied by high AVG, so the "skill" aspect of OBP is a bit harder to discern. We'll touch on that later.

The final slash line statistic is SLG. Slugging is Total Bags divided by At Bats. It basically just says how hard a guy hits the ball, how many bases he gets each time he hits the ball.

The Average SLG is sitting at a neat .419, and of all the metrics, SLG might be the most affected by the park a batter plays in. As Rockies fans, I think we all understand this a bit too well. If you have a guy slugging above .500, he's a good power threat. Above .600, and you're challenging the HR title. On the other end, if you're slugging between your batting average and that league average mark, you'd best be batting 1st or 9th (or behind a prolific basestealer), because you're a singles hitter.

So far, this has been a lot of "duh", but for those of us who already follow the advanced stuff, it's a good reminder of where the league averages are.

Finally, Runs and RBI. There really isn't a league average number for RBI, as they're too dependent on the number of games played and such, and they're far too situationally driven to really put an average number on. Colloquially, a 100-run guy or a 100-RBI guy would be considered "good".

Now, this is where it might get controversial, but I really have trouble putting runs and RBI into a "skill" category, as they're a product of a lineup (obviously excluding home runs). For starters, Runs and RBI are counting stats, simply meaning that they start at zero and go up from there. They can't go down, as opposed to a rate stat (AVG, OBP, etc). But we know that a good leadoff hitter with a competent offense behind him will have a good number of runs come season's end, and a good #3-#5 hitter with competent table-setters ahead of them will more than likely have a good total of RBI come October.

Runs and RBI are numbers I like to lump into "performance" stats, rather than skill stats. They tell you how well a player performed within his particular lineup over the season. They tend to not have much predictive value, but they do tell you how well a manager has utilized his best hitters. So not to entirely eschew the value of runs and RBI, they do bring benefit of seeing how well a team optimizes its offense. Although, runs scored by the team as a whole could also tell us similar numbers...

ANNNNNYhow, a lot of the above has been a lot of "duh", but I figured it'd be good to refresh the basics and check out the league averages, maybe put things into a bit of perspective.

Now, we delve into the SABR realms.

The obvious next step we take is to On-Base Plus Slugging, or OPS, for short. It's simply taken by adding OBP and SLG. That simple. The concept of OPS was really brought to the public perception by way of Michael Lewis' best-seller Moneyball, an account of how Billy Beane used this metric to build a successful baseball team that found value in other areas than the traditional measures of value that other big market teams put their money into. Rowbot Charlie77 covered Moneyball in a Fanpost awhile back, you should check it out.

Now, OPS is designed to combine a hitter's ability to get on base with his ability to drive runs along the basepaths, in the sense that you could put a decent #5 hitter and a good leadoff hitter and you'd see a similar OPS (one being more OBP heavy, and the other being more SLG heavy).

The average OPS in MLB this season is .752.  Typically, an .800 OPS is the line of who is a good hitter. Nick Swisher is a fun example of that, as he carries a career .812 OPS, with a decent balance of OBP and OPS. Moving forward, a .900 OPS hitter is typically your middle-of-the-lineup guy, probably one or more of your team's premier hitters. Once you start pushing .950-1.000 OPS, you're dealing with pretty elite batters. You'll usually only have a couple of them in each league every season. Well, nowadays anyhow.

Anything below that ~.750 OPS mark, again, you'd better be a defensive wizard or a leadoff hitter or something.

The issue with OPS is that it's also going to be very driven by batting average, as OBP and SLG also are. This is why we look at the ISO numbers for more of the player's skillsets.

You'll find ISO on most advanced stat websites to signify what I dub as IsoP, or Isolated Power, which is found simply by SLG-AVG. What IsoP tells us is how many extra bags a batter gets beyond the single. Similarly, IsoD is OBP-AVG, which tells us how often a batter walks or gets plunked.

The reason these are important is that they refer more to what the player does outside of his batting average. It's a statistical way of saying "He's developed a power swing" or that a player has improved his patience. Batting averages are very prone to slumps or hot streaks, but typically, a player's IsoD or IsoP will remain constant.

An important thing to note is that there really isn't a "good" or "bad" Iso number, they're merely descriptions of what type of a batter is being examined. Sure, a better IsoP means that the batter is hitting for more power, and a higher IsoD means that the batter takes a lot of walks (or is just an easy target for high-strung pitchers). For example, Ichiro has a career .045 IsoD. All this tells you is that he walks less than the average batter. He also has a career .100 IsoP, which just tells you that he doesn't hit for much power. Ichiro also has a career .333 batting average, so with those Iso numbers, we can pull out a career .333/.378/.433 slash line, good for a .811 OPS. Not spectacular, but this is where you look at his .378 OBP and .433 SLG and decide to bat him leadoff, where the power numbers may not matter as much.

On top of Iso numbers BABIP is an important metric to look at as well, purely because it can illustrate the fluctuations in a batter's performances. Simply put, if his OPS is low, but his IsoD and IsoP are right around normal, and his BABIP is also low, there's a good chance he's just getting unlucky, or basically just falling victim to the lower end of a normal statistical deviation. Average BABIP is .299 this season, just for the record.

So the final step in terms of batting metrics that we use is to get us all the way to wOBA. PF was nice enough to fill us in on what wOBA is in a past CR. Without being too boring, wOBA assigns a run value to every positive thing that you do as a batter, and then divides by plate appearances. It's designed to assign a number to a batter and use it to determine who your team's best hitters are without taking the context of spot in the lineup or if the particular skillset of the batter.

League average wOBA is right around .330 (and was engineered as such by Tom Tango). A "good" batter usually is around a .350 wOBA. .375 and up, you're talking a top notch hitter, probably right in the middle of your lineup. A wOBA of .400 and up, and we're in the elite category. Once you get up to .450 wOBA, you have an MVP candidate. A player sporting between .300-.330, again, falls into that gloveman category. Below .300 wOBA probably means you suck or just aren't ready.

To touch back on the "skillset" idea, take a look at Nick Swisher and Nick Johnson. Both are sporting a .368 wOBA this season, yet Swisher is batting .245/.372/.478, while Johnson's slash line is .296/.419/.408. wOBA tells us that both batters provide a similar value to their lineup, but in very different ways. But if you compared Nick Johnson's .419 OBP to Hanley Ramirez' .419 OBP, there's a .060 dropoff from Hanley to Johnson, because Hanley's power numbers add to his performance far more than Nick Johnson's. It's interesting to note, however, that it's hard to find a batter with similar SLG to Hanley's with a wOBA more than .015-.020 away, because a good OBP tends to go along nicely with a high SLG.

It should be noted that wOBA is deliberately scaled to match OBP.

If you follow pretty closely, you'll notice a correlation with .350 wOBA guys and .800 OPS guys, and .375 wOBA guys with .900 OPS guys. So you might say "why don't we just stick with OPS? Why do we need wOBA?" well, the issue has to do with the weighting of the component stats.

Specifically, OBP is not equally valuable as SLG, point for point. PF pointed a lot of this out in the post that is linked above. wOBA gives more accurate weights to offensive events (basically a double is not twice the value of a single). wOBA also has a specific meaning to it, while OPS is just kind of a number that can only be compared to itself.  Like with batting average, you can multiply a batter's average by his number of ABs, and you'll get the number of hits he should have over that number of ABs. If you multiplied OPS by a number of ABs, you'd get a number that doesn't mean anything. But with wOBA, you can multiply by the number of PAs in question, and you'll have a good idea of how many runs that player was worth.

Also, if you're into more advanced metrics than just AVG, and you like OPS, but think wOBA is a bit too complicated, then that's fine. For the most part, OPS and wOBA correlate pretty directly.

So to give this a quick summary, here's a table:

Metric

Elite

All Star

"Good"

Average

"Good Glove"

Terrible

AVG

.350

.325

.300

.260

.240-260

sub-.240

OBP

.420

.380

.360

.333

.300

sub-.300

SLG

.600

.500

.450

.420

.360-.420

sub-.360

OPS

1.000

.900

.800

.750

.750-.700

sub-.700

wOBA

.450

.375

.350

.330

.330-.300

sub-.300

 

Make sense? I hope this can help us all in being able to discuss the batting metrics as we move forward toward the postseason.

 

Please ask any questions you may have, and I hope this article and the comments can answer any questions we have about batting metrics, and how to properly view them.

Next week we'll review pitching metrics, and all the fun and joy they bring with them!

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Typo alert

“Once you get up to .450 OPS, you have an MVP candidate”

Sorry for first post being a typo correction but it’s quite a o_O one! Excellent article, and I definitely solidified my knowledge reading it.

by biondino on Aug 19, 2009 11:14 AM MDT reply actions  

durrrrrrrr

and here I thought i read it through well

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2009 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

To lower the conversation level:

Batting Average RULEZ! The rest drool!

by Redhawk on Aug 19, 2009 11:37 AM MDT reply actions  

Good article

I’m not a SABR guy, and I probably never will be, but it’s nice to have some of this stuff explained. I need a translator to read game wraps and such.

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by wtnelson on Aug 19, 2009 12:07 PM MDT reply actions  

Oh, and uh...

Moneyball sucked.

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by wtnelson on Aug 19, 2009 12:09 PM MDT reply actions  

Uh oh

now you’ve done it

The Rockies need some oldschool purple/white striped high socks. The team’s problem is it’s lack of swagger. I feel strongly that these socks will provide the swagger necessary to tap the potential that are the Rockies.

by Resolution on Aug 19, 2009 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

I respectfully disagree

I did not like Moneyball in the least. For some reason, I don’t like reading books that I feel like the author is insulting and talking down to me.

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by wtnelson on Aug 19, 2009 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

I see

I’m not a baseball noob by any means, but I’m one of those so-called “traditionalists” that would have a difficult time placing any stock into a lot of things that sabermetricians come up with. There is obvious value in analyzing sabermetrics, but I don’t think that it’s a good idea to build a team strictly from the newer metrics. I’m young, only 20, but I was brought up with baseball through the old-school ideas of my grandfather and a high school baseball coach in Windsor, CO.

There were parts of the book that I enjoyed. I really liked the chapter about the trading deadline, and I got a kick out of “Scott Hatteberg: Pickin’ Machine”. I got the feeling throughout the book, though, that Lewis was implying, whether he meant to or not, that the scouts were useless and didn’t know what they were doing. I also had the unfortunate experience of reading it in paperback, after Lewis had added in a chapter at the end talking about baseball writers that “never played the game” thinking they know more than Billy Beane. It just really put me off (and yes, I know that the writers had written about the book, but I didn’t think that chapter was necessary). It was one of those books that a lot of people enjoyed, but I didn’t care for it.

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by wtnelson on Aug 19, 2009 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Just a question since I'm curious

but where do traditional stats end and sabermetric stats start, if you get what I mean?

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by Resolution on Aug 19, 2009 2:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

depends on how traditional you wanna get

AVG seems to be the stopping point, along with Runs and RBI.

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2009 2:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

Runs??

What are you, some kind of young whipper snapper?

They appeared on the back of baseball cards, but people didn’t tend to care about them much, esp. compared to batting avg, HR, stolen bases, and RBI.

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by FooMan on Aug 19, 2009 4:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

That's a good question

I guess I don’t know. They are all tied together in some way. Some of them analyze stats that wouldn’t have even been considered until about 25 years ago (and perhaps more recent), so I guess those ones would be where the line is. I’m not all that educated on SABR, but some of them that I do know about just don’t make sense to me. Some do, and I think are valuable. It’d be a good story to have one of the site’s SABR experts do some day.

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by wtnelson on Aug 19, 2009 8:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Do you consider BABIP a SABR stat?

The Rockies need some oldschool purple/white striped high socks. The team’s problem is it’s lack of swagger. I feel strongly that these socks will provide the swagger necessary to tap the potential that are the Rockies.

by Resolution on Aug 19, 2009 10:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

It’d be a good story to have one of the site’s SABR experts do some day.

I’m not sure what you mean. We have articles posted this summer completely devoted to wOBA, FIP, BABIP, tRA, VORP, and Pitch FX individually.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 20, 2009 1:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yes, and I've read all of them

I was referring to the question of where SABR stats start and “traditional” stats end.

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by wtnelson on Aug 20, 2009 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions  

Although, perhaps that was the purpose of this article?

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by wtnelson on Aug 20, 2009 11:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

did you play in Windsor?

I’m s but older than you buy we played Windsor often in hs, and I live a couple blocks from whs now

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 19, 2009 2:28 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

I didn't

I went to WHS (class of 2007), but I played hockey for the Windsor Hockey Club. The hockey season ran at the same time as the baseball season. I was actually a heck of a ballplayer, but I liked hockey more. I think the coach was annoyed at first, but he and I actually became pretty good friends. I coach softball with him at WHS now (he gave up the baseball gig after 9 years in 2007).

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by wtnelson on Aug 19, 2009 8:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

So you live in Windsor, eh?

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 20, 2009 1:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, 6 miles north of town

My family has the big sheep feedlot on 257, the one with the compost signs in the gutter.

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by wtnelson on Aug 20, 2009 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

Don't confuse Moneyball w/sabermetricians

And ugh, I never did like that term. Esp. since SABR does so much more than baseball. Plenty of SABR members don’t use advanced stats, either.

Anyway, it’s pretty hard to find someone serious* who thinks you can build a team strictly off stats (of any kind).

(*I don’t really know how best to qualify the statement, since one can find a boob on the internet guilty of just about anything, but I guess I mean a writer or analyst who’s in regular dialogue with other baseball types. A person who thinks there’s absolutely no role for scouts just wouldn’t last; there’s almost no baseball-related audience who would take them seriously, even a saber-type audience.)

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by FooMan on Aug 19, 2009 5:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

I got you

I think that that’s part of what bothered me about the book was that it seemed to tout SABR so much, but all it really talked about was OBP. It didn’t shed any real light on anything, in my opinion.

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by wtnelson on Aug 19, 2009 8:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Good Read.

Thanks for the table. I will post it above my computer so that i don’t have to think.

by TripleT-Rox on Aug 19, 2009 12:10 PM MDT reply actions  

Hey!

I didn’t know Norm MacDonald was the GM of the Oakland Athletics! Dirty Work was awesome.

The Rockies need some oldschool purple/white striped high socks. The team’s problem is it’s lack of swagger. I feel strongly that these socks will provide the swagger necessary to tap the potential that are the Rockies.

by Resolution on Aug 19, 2009 12:41 PM MDT reply actions  

Norm MacDonald is the funniest man alive

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by wtnelson on Aug 19, 2009 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Coming to Denver

September 11 and 12.

And yes, I agree with you 100%

by Muzia on Aug 19, 2009 1:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

There's really got to be a way

To incorporate more Norm MacDonald around here. Humor Over Replacement Comedian?

I also thought his stuff on Bob Saget’s roast was hysterical.

The Rockies need some oldschool purple/white striped high socks. The team’s problem is it’s lack of swagger. I feel strongly that these socks will provide the swagger necessary to tap the potential that are the Rockies.

by Resolution on Aug 19, 2009 1:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

score

I’m not the only one who sees a resemblence

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 19, 2009 12:44 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'm not sure exactly how much they look alike

but in that pic Beane is definitely more Norm MacDonald than he is Billy Beane.

The Rockies need some oldschool purple/white striped high socks. The team’s problem is it’s lack of swagger. I feel strongly that these socks will provide the swagger necessary to tap the potential that are the Rockies.

by Resolution on Aug 19, 2009 12:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

I THOUGHT THAT TOO

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2009 1:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

I was loosing my mind trying to pull that name

YES, totally Norm MacDonald

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by Rawktober on Aug 19, 2009 3:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

well is it loose yet?

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2009 3:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yes, it is loost

"If you're going to be stupid, you'd better be tough."

by Rawktober on Aug 19, 2009 3:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

Bill James used to do a "secondary average" number

which i think would be some sort of combo of IsoD and IsoP.

Has secondary average fallen out of favor?

by RockyMtnCat on Aug 19, 2009 1:51 PM MDT reply actions  

Yeah

it’s inclusion of SB and CS kind of makes it resemble eQA, which you can see on Baseball Prospectus

I’m not a huge fan of eQA, not because it’s not a valid metric, but because I don’t like including baserunning into plate numbers, as I consider the situations they’re used in to be completely sequential and can’t be used simultaneously.

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2009 2:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

doesnt wOBA on fangraphs include cs and sb now too?

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 19, 2009 2:42 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

according to Appleman, they do

I forgot that they accounted for those.

My analyses typically just use Tango’s basic formulas. I have nothing AGAINST including baserunning, but SBs and CS typically occur while someone else is batting, so I don’t really feel it should be included.

But considering the “definition” of wOBA is a linear weighting of offensive events, scaled to OBP, that can give a run value per plate appearance of a batter, I guess it works, as baserunning is part of offensive value.

So RockyMtnCat, to further answer your question, Secondary Average has been made obsolete by eQA and wOBA (which are essentially the same stat, just eQA is scaled to look like AVG, and wOBA is scaled to look like OBP).

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 19, 2009 2:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

thanks

scaling makes sense – the numbers are more comparable/unstandable that way.

by RockyMtnCat on Aug 19, 2009 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

offensive winning percentage

Would have been James’s functional analog to EqA and wOBA. runs created per 27 outs, park adjust, put in a pythag with league avg runs allowed, for an abstracted win pct.

His concept of replacement in the player ratings was to assign a number of offensive and defensive games (based on outs, I think), come up with the offensive and defensive winning pct’s, add them, and then rank players at a position by the chance a .350 team could achieve that W-L record.

Pretty interesting stuff at the time, but obviously other stats have emerged to take its place. Barry Bonds did a lot to kill traditional runs created formulae.

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by FooMan on Aug 19, 2009 5:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

secondary avg != EqA

I don’t think they’re that close, they don’t have the same goals.

secondary avg wasn’t intended to be as serious a stat. Sort of a shorthand stuff to show whether a player’s value was more than batting avg – basically if he had walks and power. Everything’s weighted equally – bases from walks, each base in a hit, a stolen base – so there’s no claim it’s very accurate.

EqA is sort of like wOBA, meant to be a rate stat that encompasses a player’s offensive production for the most part (I think it includes steals but not baserunning as in advancing an extra base). It stands out because it’s park adjusted as well.

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by FooMan on Aug 19, 2009 5:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't think I made that claim

I was drawing a parallel between a rudimentary metric incorporating baserunning and a far more advanced metric that also incorporates baserunning

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 20, 2009 10:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

Great article.

Very helpful, especially the inclusions of what’s ‘average’.

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by Bryce on Aug 19, 2009 5:47 PM MDT reply actions  

wOBA is overdue

I like SABRmetrics if only because they showed the true value of Rockies players in an era where all any writers wanted to talk about was how inflated their numbers were. I would be interested to see what Larry Walkers wOBA was for his best seasons here.

I think that to often people would look at our home/road splits and think that told the whole story, never stopping to think that San Diego, Los Angeles, and San Fransisco had three of the best pitchers parks in baseball and that AZ always had good pitching as well.

Old Schoolers should realize that all stats like these show is more of the story of what is occurring on the field , and more baseball is always a good thing.

by TomCat009 on Aug 20, 2009 5:05 AM MDT reply actions  

Great article. The table is worth the whole thread.

Look forward to the thread on pitching.

One questions though and it may seem a bit stupid but here goes anyway…if I read this correctly…

If wOBA is purposely meant to be forced to be the same (or close to the same) as OBP, why go through all the brain damage to figure out wOBA? Why not just use OBP and let it go at that?

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Top 30 PuRPs

  1. Drew Pomeranz, LHP - AA/MLB
  2. Nolan Arenado, 3B - A (Adv)
  3. Wilin Rosario, C - AA/MLB
  4. Chad Bettis, RHP - A (Adv)
  5. Tyler Matzek, A (Adv), A
  6. Alex White, AA/MLB
  7. Kyle Parker, OF - A
  8. Tim Wheeler, OF - AA
  9. Josh Rutledge, SS - A (Adv)
  10. Charlie Blackmon, OF - MLB
  11. Rosell Herrera, SS/3B - Rookie
  12. Trevor Story, SS/3B - Rookie
  13. Edwar Cabrera, LHP - A (Adv)
  14. Tyler Anderson, LHP - unassigned
  15. Rafael Ortega, OF - A
  16. Peter Tago, RHP, A
  17. Christian Friedrich, LHP - AA
  18. Joe Gardner, RHP - AA
  19. Corey Dickerson, OF - Low-A
  20. Thomas Field, 2B - AA
  21. Will Swanner, C - Rookie
  22. Kent Matthes, OF - A (Adv)
  23. Albert Campos, RHP - A
  24. Jordan Pacheco, C/UT - AAA/MLB
  25. Cristhian Adames, SS - A
  26. Ben Paulsen, 1B - AA
  27. Josh Slaats, RHP - Low-A
  28. David Kandilas, CF - Rookie
  29. Jayson Aquino, LHP - DSL
  30. Hector Gomez, SS - AA/MLB
HM:  
Edgmer Escalona, RHP - AAA/MLB
Dillon Thomas, OF - Rookie
Sam Mende, IF - Rookie
Mike Zuanich, 1B - AA
Dan Houston, RHP - AA

updated 10/25/2011. 


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