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Ubaldo Jimenez deserves some serious respect

There are some Rockies fans and many sports fans/analysts who believe that either 1) Ubaldo Jimenez is not an ace or 2) That he is extremely close to being one. Now let me tell you all the truth that many of you Rowbots already think. Ubaldo Jimenez is the Rockies ace. Give me any pitcher on the Rockies to start Game 7 of the World Series, and it's him. Now there are many things that prove my point: for starters, Jimenez has the best FIP on the team, he constantly goes deep into games, his WAR is 11th in the MLB (4.0) and his across the line peripherals beat any other starter on the team. However, I'm going to go even further with this, and call him one of the best pitchers in the NL. Go ahead, you can cough Rockies bias, but I'm going to prove it with some hardline stats and comparisons.

Here's the first: Jimenez is not, by any means, controlled by luck. His BABIP is very league average at .299, his line drive percentage is also league average at 19.6 %, and his infield pop up percentage is in the middle of eligible pitching rank at 10.4 %. Now one may ask, why is Jimenez's ERA (3.76) so much higher than his FIP? I can give an acceptable answer to this. He has a below average LOB % (71.5 %), has not executed the pitches when he has needed to (see Jul 22 Ari), blew up when his control deserts him (see Jul 5 Ari), or he was left in the game too long (that's a coaching issue, see Jun 23 LAA)  Many of Jimenez's runs in an outing will come in one or two innings, and he will come away with a loss or no decision of the game. This is the mark of a pitcher still learning in the MLB, and while this examination of his short-comings screams "ZOMG Jimenes sux," this means that Jimenez still has tremendous upside, especially since he is just 25, after all.

This brings me to my second point: Jimenez flat out dominates hitters at times, and when he doesn't (see blow-ups above), still comes away with a quality start. 15 of his 22 outings this year have been QS's, including 14 of his past 18 (that's excluding that horrible April start, he's been a completely different pitcher since then). Now for the whole year, that's 68%, but since the end of April, Jimenez has a whopping 77% QS %. That's a top ten in the MLB stat, meaning that Jimenez has been just as consistent as Roy Halladay. (75 %) Then again, as I had been stating before the QS rate, Jimenez can flat control the game. Several times he will go through a turn of the opposing team's lineup and they will not see a baserunner for multiple innings, and he can often strike out a ton of batters in a game (T-13 MLB K). When his command of his main pitches deserts him, he can usually work with other secondary pitches in the game and give the team another QS. This is the true mark of an extremely talented pitcher and an ace.

A third point: Jimenez shows that he constantly improving with every season and start. In each season since 2007 (his rookie year) Jimenez has improved tremendously in FIP, WHIP, LOB %, BB/9, K/9, H/9, K/BB, and has stayed consistently good in his great GB rate, and opponent's AVG (though this is partially dependent on BABIP). At the age of 25, Jimenez is not even at his prime yet, and as I said before, he has tremendous upside because of his pitch arsenal (Fangraphs rates three of his pitches major pluses, his CB avg this year) and because of his improving peripherals. His fastball has been the fastest pitch in the majors for the past two years, his slider is fast with great movement and a K pitch, his changeup has been improving, and his curveball is great. Jimenez's command of his pitches are improving and should continue to improve with more experience. Many scouts projected Jimenez's stuff as being ace material, but were greatly concerned with his control. He has silenced those scouts now that he's shown that he can command 4 plus pitches at any given time. Every single stat besides ERA explains that Jimenez is the ace of the Rockies's pitching staff and is one of the best young upcoming pitchers in the National league now.

As for my final point, look at a final peripheral comparison of Jimenez and Tim Lincecum, the best pitcher today. I took out ER, W/L, and ERA because those stats are dependent, and K because it didn't work into the comparison.

      G                    GS            CG      SO                             IP                                    H                       HR     HBP         BB

22 22 1 0 143.2 126 8 6 54
22 22 4 2 156.2 123 6 3 41

 

Now, don't those look like similar pitchers? The way I look at it is this: Lincecum is an advanced form of Jimenez (both are power pitchers), who commanded his stuff to the point where his ERA is really low and he gets extreme amounts of K's. However, his walks, hits, and HR per 9 are very similar to Jimenez, having close to the same peripherals. I think it's realistic to say if Jimenez keeps on improving on his command, he will be a Cy Young candidate really soon, and he's already an ace that several teams would really covet on their staff. Due to Jimenez being a second half pitcher, I really can't wait to see how he ends up this year, and hopefully it will come with more respect.

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but he doesnt have a winning record

he couldnt possibly be our ace!

if you're reading this, it means my undying support for your team will result in its failure.

by fantasyfencing on Aug 2, 2009 4:04 AM MDT reply actions  

Little bit of classic hard luck there

It is odd that of all the starting pitchers, he’s the only one for whom the team has a losing record in his starts (9-13). He’s seen the fewest runs scored (4.3 per start, 4.7 per 9/pitched), but Hammel’s not far behind (4.4 and 4.6) and the team is 10-8 in his starts.

Perhaps Jimenez is matching up more often against front of the rotation starters, or perhaps Hammel’s inconsistency is working to his advantage—there’s some statistical evidence that a wide variance in runs allowed will result in a higher overall winning pct than that of a pitcher who has a lower overall runs/allowed avg but is more consistent.

Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!

by FooMan on Aug 2, 2009 8:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

Might that explain JDLR's W-L record?

Seth Smith status: Finally Getting Playing time
Mike McCoy status: FREE MIKE MCCOY

by Andrew Martin on Aug 3, 2009 8:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

possibly

It might work for Marquis, too, though is ERA is pretty good as well.

Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!

by FooMan on Aug 5, 2009 2:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

LOB%

Why do you say 71.3% is below average? The Hardball Times lists the league average at 72%, so he’s right there. Statcorner gives a 70.7% avg for starters.

Anyway, what’s a typical range for this stat? Does it correlate with other peripherals (one would expect some)? How much does it fluctuate from year to year?

I find it odd that both statcorner and THT use a general formula rather than actually counting batters left on base. Or perhaps even subtracting runs from runners on would be better, something like: (H+W+HBP+ROE-R)/H+W+HBP+ROE. Maybe I’m missing something obvious. However, for Ubaldo, that’s 127/188 = 67.6% of runners who reached did not score. NL avg would be 65.3%, so he is slightly below league avg. If peripherals matter (you’d think pitchers with a low HR rate and a high K rate would do better than league avg in this category), then he’d be really low avg.

188 runners and 143.2 innings is not a large sample, so it might not mean much other than more runners scored than one would expect. We’ve already seen in game theads that his %DP’s of DP opps is below league avg, which itself is surprising given his general GB rate on BIPs.

Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!

by FooMan on Aug 2, 2009 8:34 AM MDT reply actions  

That doesn't seem to be the case this year

Out of 88 qualified starters, Jimenez has been below average this year with LOB %, ranking 28th when starting with the lowest percentage. If the Hardball Times lists 72 % as the average, then there are many lucky pitchers this. An estimate of the average given the qualified starting pitchers is about 74 % this year, so Jimenez’s 71.3 % is below average, and is really below average especially when you count how Jimenez’s peripherals look this year, and his lack of DP’s though he’s a groundball/strikeout pitcher.

by bballrox4717 on Aug 2, 2009 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

what's the range?

71.3 is below 74, yes, but what’s the range? If it’s 68 – 75, then that I would call that below avg. If the range is much wider than that, then it’s a nudge below avg and to me, it’s exaggerating to say he’s below avg.

Then there’s the question of why we’re only using the 88 qualified starters, which introduces a selection bias.

Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!

by FooMan on Aug 5, 2009 2:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

((OBPa*PA)-R)/(OBPa*PA)

simplified that for ya ;-)

Seth Smith status: Finally Getting Playing time
Mike McCoy status: FREE MIKE MCCOY

by Andrew Martin on Aug 3, 2009 8:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

no idea what OBPa is, though

Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!

by FooMan on Aug 5, 2009 2:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

Email this to Sandy Clough ;-)

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 4, 2009 12:07 AM MDT reply actions  

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