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Sunday Rockpile: Are the Rockies bats bad, or is some columnist just batty?

Ah, this is the Woody Paige we all know and.., well,  the Woody Paige we all know. Getting on his high horse but not realizing everybody's laughing at him because he doesn't know the head from the tail. Anyway, contrast quotes from his Rockies need hitting column with Troy E. Renck's recap from yesterday's game:

Woody:

The Rockies must get hitting. More cowbell, please.

The Rox have passed the 100-game mark and have only August and September to improve at the plate. Hitting coach Don Baylor can't be blamed. He has helped first baseman Todd Helton, first, and shortstop Troy Tulowitzki, second, get back on track, and worked with Dexter Fowler to be a civilized leadoff hitter.

But, at some point, other guys have to come through consistently, or the Rockies will be totally dependent on 2-1 victories, or, again, victims after 27 scoreless innings.

Renck:

It seems like a scene from "Braveheart." It takes a brave heart to face the Rockies' hitters on nights like Saturday.

Not one guy weighed less than 205 pounds. None was shorter than 6-foot-1. They held a lumber party for starter Ubaldo Jimenez, bullying their way to a 6-2 victory at Great American Ball Park.

So which is it? Do the Rockies have a bungling offense incapable of scoring three runs, or do they have a lineup that's as scary as Renck paints?  Well look at the NL's top five teams in batting average, the stat Paige is falling in love with:

 

  1. Los Angeles Dodgers .276
  2. Houston Astros  .268
  3. New York Mets .264
  4. Washington Nationals .264
  5. Atlanta Braves .264

 

Okay, now let's look at the NL's top five teams by runs scored:

 

  1. Philadelphia 544
  2. Colorado 514
  3. Los Angeles Dodgers 507
  4. Milwaukee Brewers 484
  5. Florida Marlins 474

 

Really, which list would you rather this team be on? The one with the Mets and Nationals, or the one that actually matters? Yeah, it would be nice if our team could make some more contact and continue to walk and hit homers and score like they have been at the same time, but if an increased batting average means a sacrifice in runs, I think I'll pass, thank you. 

 

Renck: Give stars the poster test - The Denver Post

Renck's weekly column touches on the latest steroids scandals and then gets into some Rockies related tidbits.

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The Cubs might pull through and win the division in any case, but I am also sanguine about capturing the wild card (if need be.) I reason that the Giants’ offense is too woeful and the Rockies are too flaky (emotional.)

This was from a comment I found amusing in a Viva El Birdos FanPost. Honestly it's a good day when the best that your rivals can come up with to talk down your playoff chances is "too flaky (emotional)." 

BP's current playoff odds say the Rockies have nearly a 60% chance of making the postseason, and with each passing day this simulation becomes more accurate. So what do we do to improve those odds? The short answer is to win where we're not expected to, namely at Philly after the team wraps up the series with the Reds this afternoon.

The Rockies have four games left on this road trip and are currently at 3-3. That puts some pressure on these last four games, as long trips in the second half of the season are a pretty good proxy evaluator of how strong a team really is. The Cardinals rolled through their trip just before the All-Star break, going 6-4. They passed that contention test, meanwhile the Giants first run at this type of challenge ended in failure, as San Francisco went 3-7 out of the break. They'll get another shot in August. The Cubs right now are starting their trip that ends at Coors Field next week to mixed results. For the Rockies, two more wins in these last four is crucial, but three could put a serious dent in other teams playoff aspirations, even if they might not realize it yet.

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Well,

if we actually think about Braveheart for a moment, Renck is also (un)intentionally telling us that the Rockies have an offense that is filled with anachronisms, flubs, and gross misrepresentations.

"If we never try, we shall never succeed." - Abraham Lincoln

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by Russ Oates on Aug 2, 2009 9:45 AM MDT reply actions  

Ah, I found the bug in your logic...
if we actually think about Braveheart for a moment

If you’re expecting historical accuracy from Hollywood, I have to wonder how you actually got through college.

Unless you’re saying ancient space humans actually did carry around lightsabers and built moon sized weapons of mass destruction…

by Rox Girl on Aug 2, 2009 9:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yes, yes they did.

I have an authentic copy of the Journal of the Whills that tells me so (refrence goes over everyone’s head).

"If we never try, we shall never succeed." - Abraham Lincoln

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by Russ Oates on Aug 2, 2009 10:11 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

I like this reference to a Colorado Springs restaurant

…the restaurant is called 5 guys burgers and fries.

Birds gotta fly, fish gotta fry, Rox gotta bat. Or, if not, try three guys and a burger in Colorado Springs.

by lizardlad01 on Aug 2, 2009 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

just for the record, 5 guys is all over the place

country, even

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 3, 2009 8:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm sure this has been said before, but I'm an inveterate pedant

You toss the caber by holding it underneath, rather than around. Otherwise you’d be looking at the mother of all splinters!

by biondino on Aug 3, 2009 7:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

i'm still too amused by this to argue

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 3, 2009 8:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

The Cubs series is going to be key..

If things stay the way they are now and the Rockies get swept by Chicago, Colorado could find itself in 4th place of the WC standings.

Col 57 47 .548 – -
San 57 47 .548 – -
Chic 55 47 .539 1.0
Flori 54 50 .519 3.0

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by Charlie77 on Aug 2, 2009 10:01 AM MDT reply actions  

Because that's really easy for teams to do...

You do realize that the last time the Rockies were swept in a four game home series was 2002? It actually happened twice that year, once again the defending world champion D-backs and once again Bonds and the Giants. Since the team’s gotten used to the humidor, it just hasn’t happened.

by Rox Girl on Aug 2, 2009 10:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

against... that's not even a homophone...

What the heck is wrong with me, today. And where’s my ride?

by Rox Girl on Aug 2, 2009 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

How's the weather in Cincy?

The ESPN preview says “showers”

I’m hoping they mean showers of Rockies home runs

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by Mondogarage on Aug 2, 2009 10:27 AM MDT up reply actions  

It's sunny, partly cloudly.

Nothing too severe looking out my window that faces where storms usually come from.

by Rox Girl on Aug 2, 2009 10:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

That can only mean showers of dingers

Bring your glove. Dinger’s showers, however, are of an entirely different nature. In that case, bring your deep waders.

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by Mondogarage on Aug 2, 2009 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

Recently though...

in July the Rockies dropped to 9th in runs scored in the National League (middle of the pack). I guess I’m somewhere between Woody and Renck on this one—we have good bats but they need to pick it up.

1 Philadelphia 153
2 Chicago Cubs 141
3 Atlanta 139
4 LA Dodgers 124
5 Washington 124
6 St. Louis 124
7 Houston 118
8 Arizona 117
9 Colorado 116

by oxmouth on Aug 2, 2009 10:26 AM MDT reply actions  

I think they're fine...

This really looks like a temporary blip, both our lack of scoring and the scoring of some of the teams ahead of us. Philly and LA obviously have really strong offensive units, but the Nats don’t, the Braves have had a lot of their guys click at once, including a couple that we could expect to drop off severely, the Cubs faced weak pitching with a 2 to 1 ratio of games played at Wrigley vs the road in July, Philly also benefited from a home heavy schedule at CBP that month. I think you’ll see the Rockies back near the top of the list for the months of August and September.

by Rox Girl on Aug 2, 2009 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

Washington

is a good offensive team. As you point out they are 5th in the league in batting average, and 5th in runs scored for the month of July. Offense isn’t their problem.

Look at the list Oxmouth produced, and you will see teams that are making move in the standings. The fact that Colorado is 9th is telling of their slow down in July (slump is a bit much).

Hits lead to runs. Runs are good to have in winning a baseball game. The Rockies do have several batters that aren’t hitting enough. To say you think they will bounce back magically is a little misleading. Some guys get tired as the season goes along…pitchers get and make adjustments to batters.

Now I’m not saying the Rockies are doomed by any means….but Paige is correct, that the Rockies need some guys to hit more.

Start Seth Smith! Free Eric Young Jr.!

by Redhawk on Aug 2, 2009 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

again, i kind of agree...

i.e. ianetta is just sucky. stuff like that is worrisome. i guess where i’m agreeing with roxgirl is that.. really, can they get much worse?

(unfortunately, the answer is yes. i do think they’ll get better though).

by oxmouth on Aug 2, 2009 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

I still think you're paying too much attention to the random noise.

I look at the list that oxmouth produced and I see teams that are getting lucky, I see teams that are beating up on weak competition or taking advantage of having so many games in bat friendly ballparks and I see a couple of legitimate offenses. The Phillies were only seventh in the month of July in batting average, but first in runs, your implication seems to be that this shouldn’t be happening which is baloney. They score a lot of runs because they get on base a lot and hit for power. Hits are important, don’t get me wrong, but their value is overstated when you trade more of them for extra outs via fewer walks and less HR’s or doubles.

As for what’s going to happen for August and September, eh, who knows for certain. I do know that from what I’ve seen the last three days, I think the scoring’s on its way back.

by Rox Girl on Aug 2, 2009 3:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

yep

but there seems to be the occasional shellacking missing. y’know—a really good offense puts some tacos on the board every once in awhile without having every game decided by the closer.

by oxmouth on Aug 2, 2009 4:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think they're coming...

We had several early in the season, which was a large part of the reason our third order win percentage looks so good right now and we’re projected so strongly. I really think it’s just a matter of time, until this offense is hitting on all cylinders again, that there’s another run or two left in us.

by Rox Girl on Aug 2, 2009 6:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

agreed.
maybe i'm a homer, but i think--like renck said--these guys are too "built for hitting" to keep on crapping out like they have been. i also don't want to stick up for woody much, but in a way he's right--the hitting has been sub par. rocks have to hit better in august though...

by oxmouth on Aug 2, 2009 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Lineups posted at MLB.com

Smith
Barmes
Helton
Hawpe
Tulo
BOOM
DOOM
CarGone
Marquis

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by Mondogarage on Aug 2, 2009 10:35 AM MDT reply actions  

I think the problem with the lineup is

it’s inconsistency. There are a few awesome hitters and then a lot of guys who have immense potential but haven’t really found a groove, which just exacerbates the problem.

I don’t think Fowler is a .250 hitter, and I don’t think Iannetta and Stewart are .220/.230 hitters.

We’re doing a great job of getting on base as a team, but these flukey low averages mean we have trouble moving runners. We rely on the HR a lot more than we should.

Also, our baserunning is pretty crappy,but that’s a whole different issue…

The Rockies need some oldschool purple/white striped high socks. The team’s problem is it’s lack of swagger. I feel strongly that these socks will provide the swagger necessary to tap the potential that are the Rockies.

by Resolution on Aug 2, 2009 3:06 PM MDT reply actions  

No, our baserunning is the best in the league actually...

14 runs above average, or 1.4 wins added. Best by far.

Eschew Obfuscation!

by Jeff Aberle on Aug 2, 2009 4:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

Isn't that fueled by

like going first to third and stuff?

I should have been more specific. I could be wrong but it seems like we get caught stealing a lot… or maybe I’m just thinking of Tulo who could definitely use some base-stealing tutelage.

Btw, where did you find those stats, I could use more #’s to play around with…

The Rockies need some oldschool purple/white striped high socks. The team’s problem is it’s lack of swagger. I feel strongly that these socks will provide the swagger necessary to tap the potential that are the Rockies.

by Resolution on Aug 2, 2009 5:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Woody a role player?

I have been following Colorado sports for last 11 years… And being away from colorado for last 8 of those years, I read a lot of online papers… And I have always been curious, is Woody playing a role knowingly or is he really - (any negative adjective would fill the blank)…

by Kumar_98 on Aug 2, 2009 6:33 PM MDT reply actions  

he's a troll.

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 3, 2009 8:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

Oh and by the way

to draw off of Rox Girl’s display of most runs scored in the league, here’s the top 5 teams in the league by wOBA!

1. Philly
2. Colorado
3. LA
4. Washington
5. Milwaukee

hmmmmmmm

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 3, 2009 8:57 AM MDT reply actions  

ooooooooo aaaaaaaahhhhhhh

"We made too many wrong mistakes." ~Yogi Berra
"The ballplayer who loses his head, who can't keep his cool, is worse than no ballplayer at all." ~Lou Gehrig
JFK

by jrockies on Aug 3, 2009 4:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

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